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***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)

not that this is specifically a "Hall of Fame" draft, but larry now has two players in his first eight that played in the 90s and won't be in the hall. :no:
Did you expect anything else?
dude, Thomas is likely for the hall, and Bernie is possible...which two are you talking about? Clemens, Glavine, and Pudge??
Thomas has NO shot. 2,100 hits won't get it done and he won't play long enough or well enough at 36 years old to hit another 60+ hr's to get to 500. And his chance is better than Bernie's. Bernie is also 36 and has less hits and far less hr's. Their HOF chances are zero.
 
not that this is specifically a "Hall of Fame" draft, but larry now has two players in his first eight that played in the 90s and won't be in the hall. :no:
Did you expect anything else?
dude, Thomas is likely for the hall, and Bernie is possible...which two are you talking about? Clemens, Glavine, and Pudge??
if by HOF you mean "sulking in the dugout"...then we are in agreementWe already had this argument about 40 pages earlier, I have no desire to rehash it.
 
not that this is specifically a "Hall of Fame" draft, but larry now has two players in his first eight that played in the 90s and won't be in the hall. :no:
Did you expect anything else?
dude, Thomas is likely for the hall, and Bernie is possible...which two are you talking about? Clemens, Glavine, and Pudge??
Thomas has NO shot. 2,100 hits won't get it done and he won't play long enough or well enough at 36 years old to hit another 60+ hr's to get to 500. And his chance is better than Bernie's. Bernie is also 36 and has less hits and far less hr's. Their HOF chances are zero.
Thomas should hit 450 homers and a .430 OB% from a clean-up hitter should mean something...
 
not that this is specifically a "Hall of Fame" draft, but larry now has two players in his first eight that played in the 90s and won't be in the hall.

:no:
Did you expect anything else?
dude, Thomas is likely for the hall, and Bernie is possible...which two are you talking about? Clemens, Glavine, and Pudge??
NILneither one of those guys will be in. no chance. ZILCH

look how selective Hall voters are now and tell me those two are getting in with a straight face.

:no:

 
OK I'm looking for someone to fill the two hole in my lineup and play 2B, I think I found my guy.

With pick #4 in round 8 The Curse Reversing Idiots select:

Paul Molitor 2B/3B/1B

I know, I will get some slack for playing him at second but he was an all star at the position in 1980 and his eventual move to DH was NOT do to defensive deficiancies it was to protect him from injury. He was a solid defender when called upon.

World Series MVP 1993

Seven time All Star

Four times in top 10 MVP voting

#9 Career Hits

#10 Career Doubles

#17 Career Runs

#21 Career Total Bases

#36 Career Stolen Bases

#84 Career RBI's

39 game hit streak 1987

Clutch in the post season.

 
As far as rotations, are we going with at least 4 man rotations, or we will be able to go cheese 3 man rotations with older pithcers - this is for the sim. For the FFA, I dont see how they will buy a three man rotation throwing back to back double headers every other day. :P

 
not that this is specifically a "Hall of Fame" draft, but larry now has two players in his first eight that played in the 90s and won't be in the hall. :no:
Did you expect anything else?
dude, Thomas is likely for the hall, and Bernie is possible...which two are you talking about? Clemens, Glavine, and Pudge??
Thomas has NO shot. 2,100 hits won't get it done and he won't play long enough or well enough at 36 years old to hit another 60+ hr's to get to 500. And his chance is better than Bernie's. Bernie is also 36 and has less hits and far less hr's. Their HOF chances are zero.
Thomas should hit 450 homers and a .430 OB% from a clean-up hitter should mean something...
Those numbers won't get it done based on who has been left out. And like UCONN says, the media hates Thomas and they are voting.
 
OK I'm looking for someone to fill the two hole in my lineup and play 2B, I think I found my guy.

With pick #4 in round 8 The Curse Reversing Idiots select:

Paul Molitor 2B/3B/1B

I know, I will get some slack for playing him at second but he was an all star at the position in 1980 and his eventual move to DH was NOT do to defensive deficiancies it was to protect him from injury. He was a solid defender when called upon.

World Series MVP 1993

Seven time All Star

Four times in top 10 MVP voting

#9 Career Hits

#10 Career Doubles

#17 Career Runs

#21 Career Total Bases

#36 Career Stolen Bases

#84 Career RBI's

39 game hit streak 1987

Clutch in the post season.
He is like the other side of Robin Yount. Never seemed to be completely dominating, never put up crazy numbers... but always did important things to help his team win.Compiler, but also a very very good player for a long long time... and gives you great flexibility.

 
As far as rotations, are we going with at least 4 man rotations, or we will be able to go cheese 3 man rotations with older pithcers - this is for the sim. For the FFA, I dont see how they will buy a three man rotation throwing back to back double headers every other day. :P
you can set it up however you want, but the sim takes into account how tired your pitcher is.
 
damn. another guy I had slotted for 3B.
Personally, I would not want him at third. Even though many say 2B is the tougher D position, I remember molitor being ok at 2nd.. plus he played very few games at 3B, correct? Could be too big a liability at the hot corner.
 
UCONN, there is still one very good (some say great, some say overated but still good) 3B out there. Was considered the best of his time by some/many.

 
As far as rotations, are we going with at least 4 man rotations, or we will be able to go cheese 3 man rotations with older pithcers - this is for the sim. For the FFA, I dont see how they will buy a three man rotation throwing back to back double headers every other day. :P
you can set it up however you want, but the sim takes into account how tired your pitcher is.
Ok. I remember hearing something like the old pitchers can go into a three man.. seems cheese to me but if thems the rules, thats fine. Thats why I clarified.
 
not that this is specifically a "Hall of Fame" draft, but larry now has two players in his first eight that played in the 90s and won't be in the hall. :no:
Did you expect anything else?
dude, Thomas is likely for the hall, and Bernie is possible...which two are you talking about? Clemens, Glavine, and Pudge??
Thomas has NO shot. 2,100 hits won't get it done and he won't play long enough or well enough at 36 years old to hit another 60+ hr's to get to 500. And his chance is better than Bernie's. Bernie is also 36 and has less hits and far less hr's. Their HOF chances are zero.
Thomas should hit 450 homers and a .430 OB% from a clean-up hitter should mean something...
Those numbers won't get it done based on who has been left out. And like UCONN says, the media hates Thomas and they are voting.
I'm sure New York is worse on players, but in Chicago I've never seen so much disdain for an individual player. Maybe Rashaan Salaam, Cade McNown and Wandstedt as a coach in football (I'm relatively young so this isn't going back that far either). If the Chicago media had it's way I think the Sox would have traded him for nothing 6 or 7 years ago.
 
As far as rotations, are we going with at least 4 man rotations, or we will be able to go cheese 3 man rotations with older pithcers - this is for the sim.   For the FFA, I dont see how they will buy a three man rotation throwing back to back double headers every other day.   :P
you can set it up however you want, but the sim takes into account how tired your pitcher is.
Ok. I remember hearing something like the old pitchers can go into a three man.. seems cheese to me but if thems the rules, thats fine. Thats why I clarified.
I'm sure they can, but even with 'stronger' arms, they too will wear down..keep in mind they're facing the best hitters ever and may wear down more easily.
 
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damn. another guy I had slotted for 3B.
Personally, I would not want him at third. Even though many say 2B is the tougher D position, I remember molitor being ok at 2nd.. plus he played very few games at 3B, correct? Could be too big a liability at the hot corner.
Molitor, position distributionDH 11743B 791 2B 400 1B 197 SS 57 OF 50 He wasn't a defensive liability at either third or second.
 
Molitor and Brooks was my short list at 3rd. Molitor is a great pick here. Interesting enough, his third best season he gets an A for range at 3B.

 
OK I'm looking for someone to fill the two hole in my lineup and play 2B, I think I found my guy.

With pick #4 in round 8 The Curse Reversing Idiots select:

Paul Molitor 2B/3B/1B

I know, I will get some slack for playing him at second but he was an all star at the position in 1980 and his eventual move to DH was NOT do to defensive deficiancies it was to protect him from injury. He was a solid defender when called upon.

World Series MVP 1993

Seven time All Star

Four times in top 10 MVP voting

#9 Career Hits

#10 Career Doubles

#17 Career Runs

#21 Career Total Bases

#36 Career Stolen Bases

#84 Career RBI's

39 game hit streak 1987

Clutch in the post season.
he was a DH over half his games...and he split the other half over THREE positions (and he was at like 90 at 2 others)...

good luck getting a good position in the sim...

although he was my first htought at my last pick until I realized he, too, is mostly a DH and I don't really need another one of those lol...

 
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OK I'm looking for someone to fill the two hole in my lineup and play 2B, I think I found my guy.

With pick #4 in round 8 The Curse Reversing Idiots select:

Paul Molitor 2B/3B/1B

I know, I will get some slack for playing him at second but he was an all star at the position in 1980 and his eventual move to DH was NOT do to defensive deficiancies it was to protect him from injury. He was a solid defender when called upon.

World Series MVP 1993

Seven time All Star

Four times in top 10 MVP voting

#9 Career Hits

#10 Career Doubles

#17 Career Runs

#21 Career Total Bases

#36 Career Stolen Bases

#84 Career RBI's

39 game hit streak 1987

Clutch in the post season.
he was a DH over half his games...and he split the other half over THREE positions (and he was at like 90 at 2 others)...

good luck getting a good position in the sim...

although he was my first htought at pick until I realized he, too, is mostly a DH
:no: I weep for you Larry

 
8.05 - Goose Goslin - OF

Elected to the HOF in 1968.

1483 runs scored - 63rd all time.

1609 rbi - 24th all time.

Top 10 MVP 3 times.

Ranks 74th all time in OPS.

921 Extra bases hits - 41st all time

Really needed a powerful lefty in Sportsman's Park and Goslin had possibly his best season there in 1930. Considered other OF's here but the combination of career numbers, dominant stretch for sim, solid defense and lefthanded bat made him the best choice for me.

More on Goose Goslin.

 
damn.  another guy I had slotted for 3B.
Personally, I would not want him at third. Even though many say 2B is the tougher D position, I remember molitor being ok at 2nd.. plus he played very few games at 3B, correct? Could be too big a liability at the hot corner.
Molitor, position distributionDH 11743B 791 2B 400 1B 197 SS 57 OF 50 He wasn't a defensive liability at either third or second.
I stand corrected, thanks. Come on Larry, now is your chance to talk about another DH, that happens to already be in the hall.
 
As far as rotations, are we going with at least 4 man rotations, or we will be able to go cheese 3 man rotations with older pithcers - this is for the sim.  For the FFA, I dont see how they will buy a three man rotation throwing back to back double headers every other day.  :P
you can set it up however you want, but the sim takes into account how tired your pitcher is.
Ok. I remember hearing something like the old pitchers can go into a three man.. seems cheese to me but if thems the rules, thats fine. Thats why I clarified.
Has anyone ever played on of these with the old guys?I think the sim-value of the old-guys will be dimished as long as someone doesn't go the route of having 3 of them. As long as you have one post-dead ball era guy who needs 3 or 4 days rest, then all the other guys will get that rest also, otherwise you'll screw up your entire rotation.
 
OK I'm looking for someone to fill the two hole in my lineup and play 2B, I think I found my guy.

With pick #4 in round 8 The Curse Reversing Idiots select:

Paul Molitor 2B/3B/1B

I know, I will get some slack for playing him at second but he was an all star at the position in 1980 and his eventual move to DH was NOT do to defensive deficiancies it was to protect him from injury. He was a solid defender when called upon.

World Series MVP 1993

Seven time All Star

Four times in top 10 MVP voting

#9 Career Hits

#10 Career Doubles

#17 Career Runs

#21 Career Total Bases

#36 Career Stolen Bases

#84 Career RBI's

39 game hit streak 1987

Clutch in the post season.
he was a DH over half his games...and he split the other half over THREE positions (and he was at like 90 at 2 others)...

good luck getting a good position in the sim...

although he was my first htought at pick until I realized he, too, is mostly a DH
:no: I weep for you Larry
Frank Thomas:1B 971

DH 932

Paul Molitor:

DH 1174

3B 791

2B 400

1B 197

SS 57

OF 50

seriously, good luck getting him at the position you want in the sim, 'cuz your screwed there with him, 'cuz his third best season is INCREDIBLY likely to be at a position you don't want or at DH...

 
OK I'm looking for someone to fill the two hole in my lineup and play 2B, I think I found my guy.

With pick #4 in round 8 The Curse Reversing Idiots select:

Paul Molitor 2B/3B/1B

I know, I will get some slack for playing him at second but he was an all star at the position in 1980 and his eventual move to DH was NOT do to defensive deficiancies it was to protect him from injury. He was a solid defender when called upon.

World Series MVP 1993

Seven time All Star

Four times in top 10 MVP voting

#9 Career Hits

#10 Career Doubles

#17 Career Runs

#21 Career Total Bases

#36 Career Stolen Bases

#84 Career RBI's

39 game hit streak 1987

Clutch in the post season.
he was a DH over half his games...and he split the other half over THREE positions (and he was at like 90 at 2 others)...

good luck getting a good position in the sim...

although he was my first htought at my last pick until I realized he, too, is mostly a DH and I don't really need another one of those lol...
His career was far longer than Frank's, and far more distinguished in the field, so that's pretty laughable criticism coming from you.He did log a lot of games at DH toward the end, there is no disputing it, but I always felt that Molitor was a position player at DH rather than the reverse. He's already in the HOF, so there's really little to complain about here.

 
As far as rotations, are we going with at least 4 man rotations, or we will be able to go cheese 3 man rotations with older pithcers - this is for the sim. For the FFA, I dont see how they will buy a three man rotation throwing back to back double headers every other day. :P
We had better be, or the scorn and derision deserved by picking Keefe and such will be astronomically higher. Bad enough that the year being used was 579 innings.
 
OK I'm looking for someone to fill the two hole in my lineup and play 2B, I think I found my guy.

With pick #4 in round 8 The Curse Reversing Idiots select:

Paul Molitor 2B/3B/1B

I know, I will get some slack for playing him at second but he was an all star at the position in 1980 and his eventual move to DH was NOT do to defensive deficiancies it was to protect him from injury. He was a solid defender when called upon.

World Series MVP 1993

Seven time All Star

Four times in top 10 MVP voting

#9 Career Hits

#10 Career Doubles

#17 Career Runs

#21 Career Total Bases

#36 Career Stolen Bases

#84 Career RBI's

39 game hit streak 1987

Clutch in the post season.
he was a DH over half his games...and he split the other half over THREE positions (and he was at like 90 at 2 others)...

good luck getting a good position in the sim...

although he was my first htought at my last pick until I realized he, too, is mostly a DH and I don't really need another one of those lol...
His career was far longer than Frank's, and far more distinguished in the field, so that's pretty laughable criticism coming from you.He did log a lot of games at DH toward the end, there is no disputing it, but I always felt that Molitor was a position player at DH rather than the reverse. He's already in the HOF, so there's really little to complain about here.
look at his numbers, he wasn't that great in the field... there is a reason he played tons of games at DH his whole career and the rest of the games he moved around a lot...
 
As far as rotations, are we going with at least 4 man rotations, or we will be able to go cheese 3 man rotations with older pithcers - this is for the sim. For the FFA, I dont see how they will buy a three man rotation throwing back to back double headers every other day. :P
We had better be, or the scorn and derision deserved by picking Keefe and such will be astronomically higher. Bad enough that the year being used was 579 innings.
don't you have some "cream" to rub on your star OFer, or is your catcher taking care of that for you??
 
oh yeah, with Molitor, it is very likely his last year in Milwaukee or his first 2 in Toronto, when he played DH almost every game, are the third best year (they are pro'lly 3 of the top 5 salary wise)...

 
OK I'm looking for someone to fill the two hole in my lineup and play 2B, I think I found my guy.

With pick #4 in round 8 The Curse Reversing Idiots select:

Paul Molitor 2B/3B/1B

I know, I will get some slack for playing him at second but he was an all star at the position in 1980 and his eventual move to DH was NOT do to defensive deficiancies it was to protect him from injury. He was a solid defender when called upon.

World Series MVP 1993

Seven time All Star

Four times in top 10 MVP voting

#9 Career Hits

#10 Career Doubles

#17 Career Runs

#21 Career Total Bases

#36 Career Stolen Bases

#84 Career RBI's

39 game hit streak 1987

Clutch in the post season.
he was a DH over half his games...and he split the other half over THREE positions (and he was at like 90 at 2 others)...

good luck getting a good position in the sim...

although he was my first htought at my last pick until I realized he, too, is mostly a DH and I don't really need another one of those lol...
His career was far longer than Frank's, and far more distinguished in the field, so that's pretty laughable criticism coming from you.He did log a lot of games at DH toward the end, there is no disputing it, but I always felt that Molitor was a position player at DH rather than the reverse. He's already in the HOF, so there's really little to complain about here.
look at his numbers, he wasn't that great in the field... there is a reason he played tons of games at DH his whole career and the rest of the games he moved around a lot...
You do realize you're only hurting your case for Frank Thomas?Molitor is already in the HOF.

 
Well, I had planned to go another direction, but a couple things happened. For one, I should get an ok position player that isnt much different from one I would take right now, and I have some flexibility there.

Although I am hesitant to go with ANOTHER pitcher, when I saw about 4 of the guys on my pitching list go... but my top choice remain... I had to go with:

Lefty Gomez LHP

Lets face it, the pitching run is ON. A few more multi-cy young types out there (maybe? Im not even sure anymore) and a few HoF's out there...but few an dfar between, especially for a dominant lefty (although after injury he changed to more finesse at end of career)

Write up coming, but in short, two triple crowns, two top 5 MVP placements - had they the Cy Young, at least two would have gone to Gomez judging by the Triple Crowns, his MVP showings along with the "hyothetical cy youngs" list (which I will post soon, because a couple more names on there not taken).

Lefty Grove LHP

Seaver RHP

Lefty Gomez LHP

Dazzy Vance RHP

Not sure people will remember how good Gomez was.. since we were none of us alive, but he was one of the best lefty's of his day and should do very well in the sim, as like Vance and Grove, pitched in a hitters era.

 
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Molitor and Brooks was my short list at 3rd. Molitor is a great pick here. Interesting enough, his third best season he gets an A for range at 3B.
Did you happen to catch this larry? Before injuries he was a solid defender at multiple positions(including SS)
 
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oh yeah, with Molitor, it is very likely his last year in Milwaukee or his first 2 in Toronto, when he played DH almost every game, are the third best year (they are pro'lly 3 of the top 5 salary wise)...
1979. Very solid at 2B.
 
As far as rotations, are we going with at least 4 man rotations, or we will be able to go cheese 3 man rotations with older pithcers - this is for the sim. For the FFA, I dont see how they will buy a three man rotation throwing back to back double headers every other day. :P
We had better be, or the scorn and derision deserved by picking Keefe and such will be astronomically higher. Bad enough that the year being used was 579 innings.
don't you have some "cream" to rub on your star OFer, or is your catcher taking care of that for you??
Have you proven anything? No, didn't think so. All those pre-1900s pitchers only threw that many innings with the aid of horse steroids. You going to stop by the track on the way to the ballpark?
 
As far as rotations, are we going with at least 4 man rotations, or we will be able to go cheese 3 man rotations with older pithcers - this is for the sim. For the FFA, I dont see how they will buy a three man rotation throwing back to back double headers every other day. :P
We had better be, or the scorn and derision deserved by picking Keefe and such will be astronomically higher. Bad enough that the year being used was 579 innings.
don't you have some "cream" to rub on your star OFer, or is your catcher taking care of that for you??
Why don't you make you intentions clear now, Bogart? Are you planning on pitching your 579-inning wonder in a 4 man rotation, or will you take the p#### way out and cheat?
 
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Molitor is an interesting case . He had a far better career than Thomas will have ,but Thomas was the better player. Hands down.Give me the choice of Frank Thomas or Molitor, and I take Thomas 9/10. The 1/10 would be for specific need.

 
Molitor is an interesting case . He had a far better career than Thomas will have ,but Thomas was the better player. Hands down.Give me the choice of Frank Thomas or Molitor, and I take Thomas 9/10. The 1/10 would be for specific need.
I would have to disagree.Hammering the ball isn't everything in baseball. That's all Frank added. Molitor did a lot more things, a lot better than Frank could ever do.People get too hung up on raw power numbers, because they're sexy..sometimes you have to look at other variables to determine how good a player was.If I was starting a team and had the choice, I'd take Paul every single time. Not even close.
 
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Molitor is an interesting case . He had a far better career than Thomas will have ,but Thomas was the better player. Hands down.Give me the choice of Frank Thomas or Molitor, and I take Thomas 9/10. The 1/10 would be for specific need.
Hope you don't need leadership or balls or you'd be in trouble those 9 times.Thomas is a stats monster I don't argue that, I just don't consider him "great".
 
Molitor and Brooks was my short list at 3rd. Molitor is a great pick here. Interesting enough, his third best season he gets an A for range at 3B.
Did you happen to catch this larry? Before injuries he was a solid defender at multiple positions(including SS)
Schmidt has a C- as part of his grade third year. Just found this out.That is what I consider an anomaly not in the spirit of the game, but so be it. On the other hand, Mize is A/A and Arod at short is like A/B+ - obviously, they are much better defenders than Schmidt... one of the best ever not named Brooks, and THE best defensive player of his era at his position.

 
Molitor is an interesting case . He had a far better career than Thomas will have ,but Thomas was the better player.  Hands down.Give me the choice of Frank Thomas or Molitor, and I take Thomas 9/10.  The 1/10 would be for specific need.
I would have to disagree.Hammering the ball isn't everything in baseball. That's all Frank added. Molitor did a lot more things, a lot better than Frank could ever do.People get too hung up on raw power numbers, because they're sexy..sometimes you have to look at other variables to determine how good a player was.If I was starting a team and had the choice, I'd take Paul every single time. Not even close.
woah, Frank didn't just hammer the ball, he hit the ball...He isn't just some huge Home Run hitter... He hit Homers, yeah, but that was FAR from it...and he got on base a lot...Like I showed before, until Bonds met BALCO Thomas was a better hitter than Bonds was...
 
Molitor is an interesting case . He had a far better career than Thomas will have ,but Thomas was the better player. Hands down.Give me the choice of Frank Thomas or Molitor, and I take Thomas 9/10. The 1/10 would be for specific need.
Hope you don't need leadership or balls or you'd be in trouble those 9 times.Thomas is a stats monster I don't argue that, I just don't consider him "great".
I would look for leadership and balls elsewhere. Trust me, it aint easy agreeing with Larry ;) Thomas has some incredible numbers though.. even if they seem empty. In fact, if Thomas were on the board, he would be a good pick in the next couple of rounds, if you needed offense.
 
Molitor and Brooks was my short list at 3rd. Molitor is a great pick here. Interesting enough, his third best season he gets an A for range at 3B.
Did you happen to catch this larry? Before injuries he was a solid defender at multiple positions(including SS)
Schmidt has a C- as part of his grade third year. Just found this out.That is what I consider an anomaly not in the spirit of the game, but so be it. On the other hand, Mize is A/A and Arod at short is like A/B+ - obviously, they are much better defenders than Schmidt... one of the best ever not named Brooks, and THE best defensive player of his era at his position.
It's hard to get a defensive "number" right so any sim is going to make some mistakes. that's why we also have the FFA vote.
 
Molitor and Brooks was my short list at 3rd. Molitor is a great pick here. Interesting enough, his third best season he gets an A for range at 3B.
Did you happen to catch this larry? Before injuries he was a solid defender at multiple positions(including SS)
Schmidt has a C- as part of his grade third year. Just found this out.That is what I consider an anomaly not in the spirit of the game, but so be it. On the other hand, Mize is A/A and Arod at short is like A/B+ - obviously, they are much better defenders than Schmidt... one of the best ever not named Brooks, and THE best defensive player of his era at his position.
what is Thomas' 3rd best D grade??Younts? At what position?

Pudge??

Williams?

What years are these???

 
Molitor and Brooks was my short list at 3rd. Molitor is a great pick here. Interesting enough, his third best season he gets an A for range at 3B.
Did you happen to catch this larry? Before injuries he was a solid defender at multiple positions(including SS)
Schmidt has a C- as part of his grade third year. Just found this out.That is what I consider an anomaly not in the spirit of the game, but so be it. On the other hand, Mize is A/A and Arod at short is like A/B+ - obviously, they are much better defenders than Schmidt... one of the best ever not named Brooks, and THE best defensive player of his era at his position.
nothing is going to be perfect dude, just deal with it..everybody will have something happen to at least one player.
 

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