***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (3 Viewers)

[Koya]

Yeah, I just torched my own team by picking a guy who was an iron man in his day.

You didn't torch it, you just made it sort of sad.

He drafted according to the rules. The same rules you would not even budge on, to allow for players to play at their positions, or not be hurt by an odd stat quirk on one site. In this case, the sim should take care of it. If we ALL agree to a limit on IP's, then we can change the rules. But, as was true before, if we can not all agree, we have to stick with what we said.Personally, I think this is much ado about nothing. Any sim worth its weight will penalize guys who got great numbers not because of their skills, but because of their era.

 

[lastresort66]

Yeah, I just torched my own team by picking a guy who was an iron man in his day.

You didn't torch it, you just made it sort of sad.

Sad because I picked a guy who pitched in the 1800's? Even if the stats adjust, he'll still be a pretty good pitcher. And no, I'm not gonna pitch him every day. He's 4th in my rotation and he will always be 4th in my rotation. Mark it down, copy/paste it, whatever.

 

[mayday]

I have a solution to this whole pre- 1900 pitcher debate. Scrap this draft and start over again.

 

[Nipsey]

where are y'all getting this 0.5 whip?

shhhh

 

[Bogart]

Yeah, I just torched my own team by picking a guy who was an iron man in his day.

You didn't torch it, you just made it sort of sad.

well "sort of sad" is an upgrade from "pathetic" and a major upgrade from whatever my team was called five rounds ago.

 

[10993]

Secondly, if those pre 1900 pitcher salaries are high only because of innings pitched, does that mean if you start them every fourth day will they be even better? Some of thos guys have WHIP's under .5! If that's the case I'm filling out my roster with dead ball era guys and everyone who took the Seavers and Koufaxes and Larsens and Browns are simply dead in the sim. DEAD. Waste of $10 for you because I won't lose a game.

My $10 says that it's not going to play out that way.

I don't follow your reasoning. If a guy has an ERA near one and a whip under .5 AND never gets tired because he's pitched 600 innings in a season, you're saying that's not an incredible advantage? You could pitch some of those guys who are STILL available every other day and destroy Carlton on Sunday, then Seaver on Tuesday (WITH THE SAME GUY).

But what will a .5 whip in 1886 equate to in the sim? Perhaps that was a good but not great average back then. When they equalize, he might get shelled. Just like some of todays numbers will be hurt in the sim.

The sim doesn't equalize. Guys with more HR cost more beause they give you more HR--period.There are adjustments that the same makes, but taking the WHIP from the deadball era and blowing it up is not one of them--things are normalized, but they are not adjusted like that.

 

[Doug B]

I don't follow your reasoning. If a guy has an ERA near one and a whip under .5 AND never gets tired because he's pitched 600 innings in a season, you're saying that's not an incredible advantage? You could pitch some of those guys who are STILL available every other day and destroy Carlton on Sunday, then Seaver on Tuesday (WITH THE SAME GUY).

All I'm saying is that I don't expect the sim to be a simple clash of raw numbers. I'm expecting adjustments for era. I'm expecting realistically simulating the actual pitching prowess of guys with 80 mph fastballs.If you've played paid leagues at WIS.com before, you may have info that I haven't got. Right now, I can't beleive that salary = wins. That would be a poor, poor sim. If it is like that, though, and someone here knows it from experience, I'd like them to fess up.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Funny everyone's making such a big deal over Radbourn. Guy's 3rd salaried season has a 4.55 ERA from what I can see.Tim Keefe is the deadballer that just about destroys the sim engine.

 

[Nipsey]

I have a solution to this whole pre- 1900 pitcher debate. Scrap this draft and start over again.

It would take a few hours to get back to where we are now and frankly, that's too long.

 

[Nipsey]

Tim Keefe is the deadballer that just about destroys the sim engine.

is he available?

 

[lastresort66]

Tim Keefe is the deadballer that just about destroys the sim engine.

is he available?

Already gone I think. Otherwise, I would have taken him before Radbourn.

 

[10993]

Funny everyone's making such a big deal over Radbourn. Guy's 3rd salaried season has a 4.55 ERA from what I can see.Tim Keefe is the deadballer that just about destroys the sim engine.

Anyone picking Keefe knew they were ####ing over the sim as soon as they did it. First pre-1900 pitcher drafted, too.

 

[Koya]

Please, lets not waste the time and effort we have put in already. If you want old pitchers, draft them. When (if, but when) you get shalacked in the sim, but your pitcher never tires... just gets shelled - dont #####.

Tell me why you think a guy who has an ERA of 1.36 and a WHIP of .67 is going to get shelled? I don't follow what the HELL you're saying.

You do understand that the sim takes each year and basically does "league averages"If a deadballer has .76 whip and 1.23 ERA and 550 innings well he will be awesome, right?Not if the league averages in that year were .79, 1.65 and 525 innings. In that case, the player will be a little better than average. Likewise, Pedro martinez. He might have 1.21 whip, 2.24 era and less than half those innings by far.. but Pedro, ni the sim, will have his numbers averaged against eras over 4.00 and will be a far above average player.The raw numbers mean little. they only mean something in comparison to others in that year/era. If you hit 37 HRs but lead the league, that is going to equate to a better HR hitter than someone that hits 45, when the lead is 70.

 

[Koya]

Funny everyone's making such a big deal over Radbourn. Guy's 3rd salaried season has a 4.55 ERA from what I can see.Tim Keefe is the deadballer that just about destroys the sim engine.

Spartans, do you know this for real, or just guessing? I am sure some players are "favs" of the particular sim.

 

[Doug B]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

 

[Koya]

Tim Keefe is the deadballer that just about destroys the sim engine.

is he available?

Already gone I think. Otherwise, I would have taken him before Radbourn.

He has been gone for a while. He is a legendary pitcher and a HoF with very good HoF credentials/numbers, as I recall.

 

[Bogart]

Funny everyone's making such a big deal over Radbourn. Guy's 3rd salaried season has a 4.55 ERA from what I can see.Tim Keefe is the deadballer that just about destroys the sim engine.

why is Keefe so special to destroy the sim engine?? And who is the ******* that drafted him??

 

[10993]

Funny everyone's making such a big deal over Radbourn. Guy's 3rd salaried season has a 4.55 ERA from what I can see.Tim Keefe is the deadballer that just about destroys the sim engine.

Anyone picking Keefe knew they were ####ing over the sim as soon as they did it. First pre-1900 pitcher drafted, too.

Keefe's 3rd year numbers:579 IP , 1.58 ERA, 1.01 WHIP

 

[Doug B]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

Koya, bogart: you guys, too, if you have specific info.

 

[Koya]

Secondly, if those pre 1900 pitcher salaries are high only because of innings pitched, does that mean if you start them every fourth day will they be even better?  Some of thos guys have WHIP's under .5!  If that's the case I'm filling out my roster with dead ball era guys and everyone who took the Seavers and Koufaxes and Larsens and Browns are simply dead in the sim.  DEAD.  Waste of $10 for you because I won't lose a game.

My $10 says that it's not going to play out that way.

I don't follow your reasoning. If a guy has an ERA near one and a whip under .5 AND never gets tired because he's pitched 600 innings in a season, you're saying that's not an incredible advantage? You could pitch some of those guys who are STILL available every other day and destroy Carlton on Sunday, then Seaver on Tuesday (WITH THE SAME GUY).

But what will a .5 whip in 1886 equate to in the sim? Perhaps that was a good but not great average back then. When they equalize, he might get shelled. Just like some of todays numbers will be hurt in the sim.

The sim doesn't equalize. Guys with more HR cost more beause they give you more HR--period.There are adjustments that the same makes, but taking the WHIP from the deadball era and blowing it up is not one of them--things are normalized, but they are not adjusted like that.

Do you know this for a fact? Because if what you say is true, the sim = worthless and there are far better sims out there. I am fairly confident the sim adjusts not just by era, but year to year. Otherwise why not just pick all 1885 pitchers and all modern hitters and ruth.

 

[Nipsey]

Funny everyone's making such a big deal over Radbourn. Guy's 3rd salaried season has a 4.55 ERA from what I can see.Tim Keefe is the deadballer that just about destroys the sim engine.

Anyone picking Keefe knew they were ####ing over the sim as soon as they did it. First pre-1900 pitcher drafted, too.

Keefe's numbers are incredible.How about this for a solution:EACH TEAM IS ALLOWED ON PRE-1900 GUY ON THEIR ROSTER. That was nobody gets an advantage if in fact the dead-ball guys are much more lethal. Fair?

 

[Pumpnick]

Please, lets not waste the time and effort we have put in already.  If you want old pitchers, draft them.  When (if, but when) you get shalacked in the sim, but your pitcher never tires... just gets shelled - dont #####.

Tell me why you think a guy who has an ERA of 1.36 and a WHIP of .67 is going to get shelled? I don't follow what the HELL you're saying.

You do understand that the sim takes each year and basically does "league averages"If a deadballer has .76 whip and 1.23 ERA and 550 innings well he will be awesome, right?Not if the league averages in that year were .79, 1.65 and 525 innings. In that case, the player will be a little better than average. Likewise, Pedro martinez. He might have 1.21 whip, 2.24 era and less than half those innings by far.. but Pedro, ni the sim, will have his numbers averaged against eras over 4.00 and will be a far above average player.The raw numbers mean little. they only mean something in comparison to others in that year/era. If you hit 37 HRs but lead the league, that is going to equate to a better HR hitter than someone that hits 45, when the lead is 70.

What you say makes sense.....However, I just read about 10 pages on the wis message board and I'm afraid it might not work that way. They do talk about normalization quite a bit though.

 

[Bogart]

Funny everyone's making such a big deal over Radbourn. Guy's 3rd salaried season has a 4.55 ERA from what I can see.Tim Keefe is the deadballer that just about destroys the sim engine.

Anyone picking Keefe knew they were ####ing over the sim as soon as they did it. First pre-1900 pitcher drafted, too.

Nichols went before Keefe thank you very much.

 

[10993]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

I already explained what the deadball pitchers allow for--pitching them as RP all the time and then starting them or a CG, or pitching them every two or three days, or what have you. Plus they generally have ridiculously low metrics during that whole time. Drafting one Tim Keefe is like drafting THREE of a year better than Pedro's best. So what sense does a draft make when Pedro goes int he secodn and Keefe in the 7th? Only the knowledge that you would be the first one to hop over the line and do that would make someone feel secure early in the draft as the good pitchers went off the board.

 

[10993]

Secondly, if those pre 1900 pitcher salaries are high only because of innings pitched, does that mean if you start them every fourth day will they be even better? Some of thos guys have WHIP's under .5! If that's the case I'm filling out my roster with dead ball era guys and everyone who took the Seavers and Koufaxes and Larsens and Browns are simply dead in the sim. DEAD. Waste of $10 for you because I won't lose a game.

My $10 says that it's not going to play out that way.

I don't follow your reasoning. If a guy has an ERA near one and a whip under .5 AND never gets tired because he's pitched 600 innings in a season, you're saying that's not an incredible advantage? You could pitch some of those guys who are STILL available every other day and destroy Carlton on Sunday, then Seaver on Tuesday (WITH THE SAME GUY).

But what will a .5 whip in 1886 equate to in the sim? Perhaps that was a good but not great average back then. When they equalize, he might get shelled. Just like some of todays numbers will be hurt in the sim.

The sim doesn't equalize. Guys with more HR cost more beause they give you more HR--period.There are adjustments that the same makes, but taking the WHIP from the deadball era and blowing it up is not one of them--things are normalized, but they are not adjusted like that.

Do you know this for a fact? Because if what you say is true, the sim = worthless and there are far better sims out there. I am fairly confident the sim adjusts not just by era, but year to year. Otherwise why not just pick all 1885 pitchers and all modern hitters and ruth.

That's essentially how you would build the best team there--that's why those guys cost so much.

 

[Nipsey]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

I have none. I only see salaries and numbers. But to make assumptions that guys in the dead-ball era will magically lose their dominance makes no sense.

 

[Bogart]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

Koya, bogart: you guys, too, if you have specific info.

I have never simmed anywhere. This is my first. I have done several Vintage Drafts, but they were all just for bragging right and to accumlate 5x5 fantasy points.

 

[Koya]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

Koya, bogart: you guys, too, if you have specific info.

Doug... I am telling everything I know, which admittedly is not much. I drafted a test team not even looking at players, to check the parks. I then drafted about 4 rounds and realized I could sign up a new team to at least see how my players are.

That is about my experience. I read the site and checked the forums for a little while before we started, so I knew what we were getting into. My impression (again, it could be wrong, Ive never done a real season there or any other sim) is that it adjusts year by year.

1968 was a good year for pitching. Gibsons numbers will not be 1.12. They will be awesome, say 1.72 in a neutral era (Im guessing at hte numbers here), but not 1.12.

Then again, Pedro in a year where he pitched 2.21, he might be adjusted down to comparable to 1.92.

So, 1.12 one year might be closer to 2.21 another year. if that makes sense. Again, these are my impressions. I have not drafted for sim, hoping a good sim will give a good result. My only issue was being locked into a third season, because sometimes you get a player that has one bad defensive year and then gets bad luck by it being the 3rd year.. we went over that, and when it wasnt unanimous to change, I stopped. If the sim is worth anything and it seems to be a decent one, then era's should be equalized.

 

[Doug B]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

I already explained what the deadball pitchers allow for--pitching them as RP all the time and then starting them or a CG, or pitching them every two or three days, or what have you.

You've explained this, but you haven't said whether you've played WIS.com's sims before or not. I'm assuming yes?Not a problem for me -- but I want to be sure that people who are speaking authoritatively about the WIS.com sim are imparting good info from first-hand knowledge.

 

[lastresort66]

Ok, WIS.com is officially f'ed in the head:In 1887, Radbourn posted a 4.55 ERA with 24 wins, 1.5 WHIP, and worse K/9 and BB/9 numbers.In 1890, Radbourn posted a 3.31 ERA with 27 wins, 1.32 WHIP, and a better K/9 and BB/9.Yet, 1887 was technically his best year because he pitched 569 innings vs 431 in 1890.That is too screwed up to even comprehend.

 

[10993]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

Koya, bogart: you guys, too, if you have specific info.

Doug... I am telling everything I know, which admittedly is not much. I drafted a test team not even looking at players, to check the parks. I then drafted about 4 rounds and realized I could sign up a new team to at least see how my players are.

That is about my experience. I read the site and checked the forums for a little while before we started, so I knew what we were getting into. My impression (again, it could be wrong, Ive never done a real season there or any other sim) is that it adjusts year by year.

1968 was a good year for pitching. Gibsons numbers will not be 1.12. They will be awesome, say 1.72 in a neutral era (Im guessing at hte numbers here), but not 1.12.

Then again, Pedro in a year where he pitched 2.21, he might be adjusted down to comparable to 1.92.

So, 1.12 one year might be closer to 2.21 another year. if that makes sense. Again, these are my impressions. I have not drafted for sim, hoping a good sim will give a good result. My only issue was being locked into a third season, because sometimes you get a player that has one bad defensive year and then gets bad luck by it being the 3rd year.. we went over that, and when it wasnt unanimous to change, I stopped. If the sim is worth anything and it seems to be a decent one, then era's should be equalized.

Ask around. This is not how the sim works.There is a certain amount of regression to the mean, but once the guy's metrics are in, they're in.

 

[10993]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

I already explained what the deadball pitchers allow for--pitching them as RP all the time and then starting them or a CG, or pitching them every two or three days, or what have you.

You've explained this, but you haven't said whether you've played WIS.com's sims before or not. I'm assuming yes?Not a problem for me -- but I want to be sure that people who are speaking authoritatively about the WIS.com sim are imparting good info from first-hand knowledge.

I've played their basketball sims a lot. Baseball I played once 2-3 years ago.

 

[Bogart]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

I already explained what the deadball pitchers allow for--pitching them as RP all the time and then starting them or a CG, or pitching them every two or three days, or what have you. Plus they generally have ridiculously low metrics during that whole time. Drafting one Tim Keefe is like drafting THREE of a year better than Pedro's best. So what sense does a draft make when Pedro goes int he secodn and Keefe in the 7th? Only the knowledge that you would be the first one to hop over the line and do that would make someone feel secure early in the draft as the good pitchers went off the board.

Can you please understand that:1.) I didn't go first. Young and Nichols were drafted before Keefe.

2.) I plan on starting 4 or 5 pitchers in the sim. Keefe will pitch just as much as Bobby Witt for me.

 

[Nipsey]

EACH TEAM IS ALLOWED ONE PRE-1900 GUY ON THEIR ROSTER.

Any thoughts on this? It would mantain the integrity of the sim. And those modern pitchers who were drafted early wouldn't be wasted picks.

 

[Koya]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

I have none. I only see salaries and numbers. But to make assumptions that guys in the dead-ball era will magically lose their dominance makes no sense.

Its not magical.. there are mathmetical formulas based upon average statistical data from each year. Each year is like its own universe, as I understand it. If you hit well in a really good hitting year, then the numbers will be pushed down. Likewise, if you are the 12-15th best pitcher in 1887, but your era is 1.15, then you will perform like Mike Mussina today (dont jump on me about the ranking, thats not the point here)

 

[10993]

2.) I plan on starting 4 or 5 pitchers in the sim. Keefe will pitch just as much as Bobby Witt for me.

We'll see whether that holds true if you meet me in the playoffs. I'll feel perfectly comfortable throwing a Pete/Mordecai relief situation like the DBacks did with Randy/Curt against the Yankees. Will you?

 

[Koya]

EACH TEAM IS ALLOWED ONE PRE-1900 GUY ON THEIR ROSTER.

Any thoughts on this? It would mantain the integrity of the sim. And those modern pitchers who were drafted early wouldn't be wasted picks.

I would prefer to stick to the rules. What if someone has a guy from pre 1900 and has planned to take another, and not for BS reasons, knoiwing the sim will even out the #s?I would be in favor for a maximum amount of innings, as long as the vote were unanimous. Anything else on this I will add in the rules thread. If there is a strong majority, I wont stand in the way - its not that big a deal.

 

[Capella]

Tommy John, SP

 

[10993]

1.) I didn't go first. Young and Nichols were drafted before Keefe.

Young's relevant year is post-1900. As far as Nichols goes, I'm assuming Pickles read my criticism, decided it didn't matter to him, and got over it. Clearly he was a lot more secure and mature in responding to it than others have been. What's funnier is that Cappy feels compelled to respond on behalf of others to this effect, though he has no deadball pitchers himself.

 

[Capella]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

I have none. I only see salaries and numbers. But to make assumptions that guys in the dead-ball era will magically lose their dominance makes no sense.

Its not magical.. there are mathmetical formulas based upon average statistical data from each year. Each year is like its own universe, as I understand it. If you hit well in a really good hitting year, then the numbers will be pushed down. Likewise, if you are the 12-15th best pitcher in 1887, but your era is 1.15, then you will perform like Mike Mussina today (dont jump on me about the ranking, thats not the point here)

why this is lost on people is beyond me.

 

[10993]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

I have none. I only see salaries and numbers. But to make assumptions that guys in the dead-ball era will magically lose their dominance makes no sense.

Its not magical.. there are mathmetical formulas based upon average statistical data from each year. Each year is like its own universe, as I understand it. If you hit well in a really good hitting year, then the numbers will be pushed down. Likewise, if you are the 12-15th best pitcher in 1887, but your era is 1.15, then you will perform like Mike Mussina today (dont jump on me about the ranking, thats not the point here)

why this is lost on people is beyond me.

It's lost because that's not how the sim works. Thanks for playing, though.

 

[Koya]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

Koya, bogart: you guys, too, if you have specific info.

Doug... I am telling everything I know, which admittedly is not much. I drafted a test team not even looking at players, to check the parks. I then drafted about 4 rounds and realized I could sign up a new team to at least see how my players are.

That is about my experience. I read the site and checked the forums for a little while before we started, so I knew what we were getting into. My impression (again, it could be wrong, Ive never done a real season there or any other sim) is that it adjusts year by year.

1968 was a good year for pitching. Gibsons numbers will not be 1.12. They will be awesome, say 1.72 in a neutral era (Im guessing at hte numbers here), but not 1.12.

Then again, Pedro in a year where he pitched 2.21, he might be adjusted down to comparable to 1.92.

So, 1.12 one year might be closer to 2.21 another year. if that makes sense. Again, these are my impressions. I have not drafted for sim, hoping a good sim will give a good result. My only issue was being locked into a third season, because sometimes you get a player that has one bad defensive year and then gets bad luck by it being the 3rd year.. we went over that, and when it wasnt unanimous to change, I stopped. If the sim is worth anything and it seems to be a decent one, then era's should be equalized.

Ask around. This is not how the sim works.There is a certain amount of regression to the mean, but once the guy's metrics are in, they're in.

Ok, I have just passed on what I have heard. If you have played there you might know better. I saw people on their message board go into minutia about picking a certain player, from a certain year even. Like.. 1922 Johnny Baseball is much better than 1929 Johnny baseball because the numbers in 29 were so inflated.

Just passing on what I have heard with a BIG disclaimer that I really dont know, and have never done one there.

And that I am picking for the best team - not the sim's best team.

 

[Bogart]

2.) I plan on starting 4 or 5 pitchers in the sim. Keefe will pitch just as much as Bobby Witt for me.

We'll see whether that holds true if you meet me in the playoffs. I'll feel perfectly comfortable throwing a Pete/Mordecai relief situation like the DBacks did with Randy/Curt against the Yankees. Will you?

OK, now I'm confused. You complain that I am going to pitch Keefe every day or every other day, I say I not. So you come back saying you are going to run Brown/Alexander out there as your rotation, doing exactly what you are complaing that I am going to do.If you want to play that way, I will take Keefe/Joss against Brown/Pete everytime, but I don't plan on playing that way.

 

[Capella]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

I have none. I only see salaries and numbers. But to make assumptions that guys in the dead-ball era will magically lose their dominance makes no sense.

Its not magical.. there are mathmetical formulas based upon average statistical data from each year. Each year is like its own universe, as I understand it. If you hit well in a really good hitting year, then the numbers will be pushed down. Likewise, if you are the 12-15th best pitcher in 1887, but your era is 1.15, then you will perform like Mike Mussina today (dont jump on me about the ranking, thats not the point here)

why this is lost on people is beyond me.

It's lost because that's not how the sim works. Thanks for playing, though.

I bet I've simmed a hell of a lot more than you have over there.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Secondly, if those pre 1900 pitcher salaries are high only because of innings pitched, does that mean if you start them every fourth day will they be even better?  Some of thos guys have WHIP's under .5!  If that's the case I'm filling out my roster with dead ball era guys and everyone who took the Seavers and Koufaxes and Larsens and Browns are simply dead in the sim.  DEAD.  Waste of $10 for you because I won't lose a game.

My $10 says that it's not going to play out that way.

I don't follow your reasoning. If a guy has an ERA near one and a whip under .5 AND never gets tired because he's pitched 600 innings in a season, you're saying that's not an incredible advantage? You could pitch some of those guys who are STILL available every other day and destroy Carlton on Sunday, then Seaver on Tuesday (WITH THE SAME GUY).

But what will a .5 whip in 1886 equate to in the sim? Perhaps that was a good but not great average back then. When they equalize, he might get shelled. Just like some of todays numbers will be hurt in the sim.

The sim doesn't equalize. Guys with more HR cost more beause they give you more HR--period.There are adjustments that the same makes, but taking the WHIP from the deadball era and blowing it up is not one of them--things are normalized, but they are not adjusted like that.

Do you know this for a fact? Because if what you say is true, the sim = worthless and there are far better sims out there. I am fairly confident the sim adjusts not just by era, but year to year. Otherwise why not just pick all 1885 pitchers and all modern hitters and ruth.

When I played around with the Sim Matchup feature, I did a little test for era adjustment.Had 2003 Pedro and a rather mediocre deadballer, Charlie Buffinton of the 1885 Boston Beaneaters, take turns pitching on the road against the same teams in the same stadiums. I kept track of stats for a few games. With era adjustment, they would have been miles apart. Without it, they would have been close.They were close. ERAs basically proportional to their real-life ERAs.I suppose its possible that the sim leagues are a little different since they cost $$$. And after all it isn't necessary to adjust stats at all between eras to determine a head-to-head matchup like it is with teams drafted from all different eras. But you'd think if they had the capability to sim better, they'd do so even in the free game.

 

[Koya]

mrharrier , Nipsey -- would you mind telling us a little about your experiences simming over at WIS.com?

I have none. I only see salaries and numbers. But to make assumptions that guys in the dead-ball era will magically lose their dominance makes no sense.

Its not magical.. there are mathmetical formulas based upon average statistical data from each year. Each year is like its own universe, as I understand it. If you hit well in a really good hitting year, then the numbers will be pushed down. Likewise, if you are the 12-15th best pitcher in 1887, but your era is 1.15, then you will perform like Mike Mussina today (dont jump on me about the ranking, thats not the point here)

why this is lost on people is beyond me.

I hope I am not passing on wrong info. This is TRULY what I believe and what I heard. If I thought otherwise, as Cap and the rest of you know, I would have said something. NO WAY I would do a draft where the winner is more or less arbitrary, or worse.. the winner is guaranteed to not be the best team. But, as Ive said, this is only from a little reading. I could be wrong. Mrharrier seems very sure... I am passing on what I have read, on the site itself. In fact, Im going to look now to see if I cant find what made me think this.

 

[Nipsey]

Tommy John, SP

TOMMY JOHNI need a lefty and he certainly can pitch in NY.

Thanks Capella. #### you.

 

[Bogart]

secure and mature

Nice choice of words from someone calling everyone douches.

 

[10993]

2.) I plan on starting 4 or 5 pitchers in the sim. Keefe will pitch just as much as Bobby Witt for me.

We'll see whether that holds true if you meet me in the playoffs. I'll feel perfectly comfortable throwing a Pete/Mordecai relief situation like the DBacks did with Randy/Curt against the Yankees. Will you?

OK, now I'm confused. You complain that I am going to pitch Keefe every day or every other day, I say I not. So you come back saying you are going to run Brown/Alexander out there as your rotation, doing exactly what you are complaing that I am going to do.If you want to play that way, I will take Keefe/Joss against Brown/Pete everytime, but I don't plan on playing that way.

What are you confused about? I'm saying I have no moral qualms about pitching my starters the same way that the DBacks pitched Randy and Curt (not every day alternating, as your post suggests--or did you even follow that series? or real baseball at all?), because that's a perfectly reasonable thing for a baseball team to do, and seeing as my guys were acquired at the beginning of the draft because they were EXCEPTIONS to the rule in their ability to do that, I have no moral qualms about doing it.You, on the other hand, went the underhanded route and snuck Keefe in. So first you say you won't pitch him in relief, and no you say you'll do it if another owner does (though pitching a starter in relief is a perfectly normal thing in the playoffs). So which is it? Do you let the IP cheat for you, or do you hold back? Do you go just one inning of relief? Just 3 innings?

 

[10993]

secure and mature

Nice choice of words from someone calling everyone douches.

Not everyone, just Capella.Admit it, he's a #####.