They are right now. Keep in mind, as a pitcher ages, their ERA will almost always go down. As is usually the case with batting average for offensive players. depends how long the guy hangs around when he cant hack it anymore.I thought Pfiester was #39 ERA+. Are Zito and Halladay really that high? Wowjust to be clear... the comparison to Zito/Halladay includes their relative levels of performace. Similar ERA+.As Oso said, If Roy Halladay or Barry Zito retired right now, they'd have careers of a similar length and not nearly as good as Pfiester, the guy with the #3 ERA ALL TIME. Does that mean in 100 years no one should pick them?
we have some..oso in particular has been here a lot..Badger as well.How come we dont have any outside "expert" commentary on this, like we did in NBA? Maybe we can get back to fighting about players, and not rules, sims, and statistical anomalies.
Figured Red would weigh in with some mid point opinions by now. Ferris, Drifter and Fatguy must not be into baseball as much.How come we dont have any outside "expert" commentary on this, like we did in NBA? Maybe we can get back to fighting about players, and not rules, sims, and statistical anomalies.

Seems like especially with power pitchers, this is becoming less true for the good ones...witness schill, randy, clemens, etc.Keep in mind, as a pitcher ages, their ERA will almost always go down.
keep in mind, we're only halfway done and this thread is 40 pages longer than the hoops draft..if you haven't been involved from the start, you probably aren't going to be at any point.Figured Red would weigh in with some mid point opinions by now. Ferris, Drifter and Fatguy must not be into baseball as much.How come we dont have any outside "expert" commentary on this, like we did in NBA? Maybe we can get back to fighting about players, and not rules, sims, and statistical anomalies.![]()
hopefully someone will want to take a look at rosters and/or lineups at some point. call it preseason.keep in mind, we're only halfway done and this thread is 40 pages longer than the hoops draft..if you haven't been involved from the start, you probably aren't going to be at any point.Figured Red would weigh in with some mid point opinions by now. Ferris, Drifter and Fatguy must not be into baseball as much.How come we dont have any outside "expert" commentary on this, like we did in NBA? Maybe we can get back to fighting about players, and not rules, sims, and statistical anomalies.![]()
oh god please say no.Is this what it's like to play werewolf?Not a wolf..![]()
Thanks for the propers. Juan Gone's going to be a nice guy to have in pinch hitting situations.Yeah ...how did a 2-time MVP fall to the 13th round? Thanks sim-ers
Modern conditioning and Tommy John surgery. Amazing how many pitchers have had elbow reconstruction in either high school or college.Seems like especially with power pitchers, this is becoming less true for the good ones...witness schill, randy, clemens, etc.Keep in mind, as a pitcher ages, their ERA will almost always go down.
I aim to pleaseThanks for the propers. Juan Gone's going to be a nice guy to have in pinch hitting situations.Yeah ...how did a 2-time MVP fall to the 13th round? Thanks sim-ers
I got one page into a WW thread once and couldn't tell if I was reading english or not.Is this what it's like to play werewolf?Not a wolf..![]()
I totally agree...it's amazing how many of the old guys were hurt and kept pitching.That and they aren't as overworked as youngsters (start Dusty BakerModern conditioning and Tommy surgery. Amazing how many pitchers have had elbow reconstruction in either high school or college.Seems like especially with power pitchers, this is becoming less true for the good ones...witness schill, randy, clemens, etc.Keep in mind, as a pitcher ages, their ERA will almost always go down.
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what kind of surgery?Modern conditioning and Tommy John surgery.Seems like especially with power pitchers, this is becoming less true for the good ones...witness schill, randy, clemens, etc.Keep in mind, as a pitcher ages, their ERA will almost always go down.

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:rotflmao:what kind of surgery?Modern conditioning and Tommy John surgery.Seems like especially with power pitchers, this is becoming less true for the good ones...witness schill, randy, clemens, etc.Keep in mind, as a pitcher ages, their ERA will almost always go down.![]()

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Yes you are.what kind of surgery?Modern conditioning and Tommy John surgery.Seems like especially with power pitchers, this is becoming less true for the good ones...witness schill, randy, clemens, etc.Keep in mind, as a pitcher ages, their ERA will almost always go down.![]()
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:rotflmao:what kind of surgery?Modern conditioning and Tommy John surgery.Seems like especially with power pitchers, this is becoming less true for the good ones...witness schill, randy, clemens, etc.Keep in mind, as a pitcher ages, their ERA will almost always go down.![]()
I'm gonna guess Bogart.Whose f'in pick is it?

Does Tommy John have a mouth?:rotflmao:what kind of surgery?Modern conditioning and Tommy John surgery.Seems like especially with power pitchers, this is becoming less true for the good ones...witness schill, randy, clemens, etc.Keep in mind, as a pitcher ages, their ERA will almost always go down.![]()
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You become a pinball wizard.what kind of surgery?Modern conditioning and Tommy surgery.Seems like especially with power pitchers, this is becoming less true for the good ones...witness schill, randy, clemens, etc.Keep in mind, as a pitcher ages, their ERA will almost always go down.![]()
is he up? I thought Doug was up or something.I'm gonna guess Bogart.Whose f'in pick is it?![]()

:rotflmao:Does Tommy John have a mouth?:rotflmao:what kind of surgery?Modern conditioning and Tommy John surgery.Seems like especially with power pitchers, this is becoming less true for the good ones...witness schill, randy, clemens, etc.Keep in mind, as a pitcher ages, their ERA will almost always go down.![]()
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Yup, Doug is up.is he up? I thought Doug was up or something.I'm gonna guess Bogart.Whose f'in pick is it?![]()
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I thought it was Doug, who is in the thread.is he up? I thought Doug was up or something.I'm gonna guess Bogart.Whose f'in pick is it?![]()
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Yeah, but where in the thread. Could be a couple hours before he catches up.I thought it was Doug, who is in the thread.is he up? I thought Doug was up or something.I'm gonna guess Bogart.Whose f'in pick is it?![]()
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Nice work Funkley. Just saw this..... :rotflmao:The first rule of Fork Club is you don't talk about Fork Club.
It is me ... I pick after mrharrier in the odd rounds, and after bogart in the even rounds.13.09 SP Red Faberis he up? I thought Doug was up or something.I'm gonna guess Bogart.Whose f'in pick is it?![]()
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Thanks. Works better with the pic.Nice work Funkley. Just saw this..... :rotflmao:The first rule of Fork Club is you don't talk about Fork Club.
There was a pic?Thanks. Works better with the pic.Nice work Funkley. Just saw this..... :rotflmao:The first rule of Fork Club is you don't talk about Fork Club.

Nights kinda suck for me, what with diapers and story time and giving my wife a break from child care for a few hours.I must say that there is a sudden rush after business hours -- been that way the past few nights.Yeah, but where in the thread. Could be a couple hours before he catches up.I thought it was Doug, who is in the thread.is he up? I thought Doug was up or something.I'm gonna guess Bogart.Whose f'in pick is it?![]()
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The caption pic.There was a pic?Thanks. Works better with the pic.Nice work Funkley. Just saw this..... :rotflmao:The first rule of Fork Club is you don't talk about Fork Club.![]()
There was a pic?Thanks. Works better with the pic.Nice work Funkley. Just saw this..... :rotflmao:The first rule of Fork Club is you don't talk about Fork Club.![]()

There was a pic?Thanks. Works better with the pic.Nice work Funkley. Just saw this..... :rotflmao:The first rule of Fork Club is you don't talk about Fork Club.![]()
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Yep ... you're upBogart just went via proxy, yes? Im ready to pick.
Pfiester - 127Zito - 132Halladay - 122i split the difference with two current, ineligible pitchers with a similar # of Wins.I thought Pfiester was #39 ERA+. Are Zito and Halladay really that high? Wow
I don't think so. He was on my short list very recently. Very nice value here.PS ... was Wahoo Sam already taken? I didnt see it, but it was very hard to follow, to say the least.