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***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
your numbers are not even remotely fair... You are including Thomas' 1990 numbers when he was a rookie and only played 60 games, which are severly deflating his stats...Take out that year and his home run per year numbers are 32.67... so let's look at what his stats really should be... Thomas BondsG 145.67 > 143.4AB 522.33 > 489.4R 103.22 < 109.1H 166.78 > 147.82B 34 > 29.93B .78 < 4.2HR 32.67 < 36.1RBI 112.11 > 107.6SB 3.1 < 34.3CS 1.89 < 9.4BB 114.67 = 114.6SO 76.3 = 74.7 (Thomas had more ABs)BA 0.319 > 0.301OBP 0.4418 > 0.4321SLG 0.5749 < 0.603TB 300.33 > 294.4SH 0 = 0.1SF 8.78 > 6IBB 14.78 < 25.7HBP 4.33 = 4.5GDP 16.22 < 9.6OPS 1.0167 < 1.0352OPS+ 171.1 < 178.7 (I'm sure this is closer, but no biggie since its pro'lly not enough closer to be a big deal)So, Thomas is better in Games, At Bats, Hits, Doubles, RBIs, Batting Average, OB%...Bonds is better with triples, home runs, sluggings, IBB, and, due to the HRs (and fewer ABs), Slugging, and, due to the slugging, OPS...who would you rather have, someone almost as powerful but who hits 19 more hits a year in 33 extra at bats, or the guy with a little bit more power??? Because that is the difference between Bonds and Thomas... Thomas got more hits and had a much higher Batting Average and, if you don't include his rookie year where he didn't even play half the season, Thomas beats Bonds in all the non-power stats, and is pretty close in a large amount of the power stats...I didn't post the other numbers because I didn't want to type them all out, well here they are(Average number from 1990-1999). Thomas BondsG 137.1 143.4AB 489.2 489.4R 96.8 109.1H 156.4 147.82B 31.7 29.93B 1 4.2HR 30.1 36.1RBI 104 107.6SB 2.8 34.3CS 1.8 9.4BB 107.6 114.6SO 74.1 74.7BA 0.3215 0.301OBP 0.4423 0.4321SLG 0.5748 0.603TB 280.4 294.4SH 0 0.1SF 8.2 6IBB 13.3 25.7HBP 4.1 4.5GDP 15.1 9.6SLG 0.5748 0.603OPS 1.0173 1.0352OPS+ 171.1 178.7 Thomas was not a better hitter than Bonds "Before 2000" it's as simple as that. You are WRONG.there's a reason he dind't post the margin that Bonds had over Thomas, because Bonds had like a VERY small amount of homeruns (under 2 a year) more than Thomas, whereas Thomas had .021 better batting average than Bonds over the decade...8 more hits....010 OB%Bonds was a better all-around player (hence more runs, 'cuz of his baserunning)... Thomas had 2 MVPs and he was barely there on defense and wasn't exactly a great baserunner....Yes, Bonds had 3... But Bonds was a great all-around player...Before 2000, Thomas is arguably (easily) the better batter, even though Bonds was always the better player...
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
I'll take the gold glove outfielder as oppossed to the guy playing out of his natural defensive position (DH) as a first baseman.Edit to add: That's why I was able to get a fantastic hitter like Edgar Martinez in the 19th round. He just sucks that bad defensively. He wasn't a steal. He went where he should have gone in the draft. Thomas went WAY too early.
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I meant at the plate...Bonds was a better PLAYER, Thomas was a better hitter... we're almost on page 200 and this started in teh 20s and you still DON'T GET THAT?!?!
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
why, because Bonds hit 4 more HRs per year than Thomas???that's definately the measure of a great hitter...
Politician Spock
Footballguy
All you've proven regarding Thomas being the better hitter is that over a span of a decade in 33 more at bats he gets 19 more hits. Thomas also grounds into twice as many double plays as Bonds so it's pretty much a wash.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
that's 19 more hits in 33 more at bats, PER SEASON...he also got more doubles, played more games, etc...
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Unless he got 31 more doubles a season, he's still holding Bond's jock in the ability to get into scoring position on his own.
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Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
I'm not even sure why it matters. Bonds is the greatest player of this generation and it isn't even close.Thomas is/was a great hitter in his own right. Dude has a career .996 OPS. Just drop it already.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
steals don't have anything to do with skills AT THE PLATE, that is on the basepaths, a different part of the game...
Funkley
Collar: Up
Gee....wonder who saw more pitches to hit. The guy with Albert Belle, Ray Durham, Robin Ventura, Harold Baines...should I go on? Or the guy hitting next to JT Snow and Todd Benzinger? Ok, Bonds had Matt Williams (when healthy) and Jeff Kent. But Thomas had MASSIVELY more amounts of lineup protection than Bonds. The fact that the numbers are close means Bonds waxes Thomas straight up. Yes....waxes. Not even a fair fight.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
The chick from Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon (they exist!)?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
They look awfully equal if all you're doing is limiting it to at the plate. Thomas has a an 18 point higher batting average, Bonds has a 28 point higher slugging average. It's pretty much a wash.
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
[butthead]Huh-huh, huh-huh-huh, he said...."Wang".
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Spartans Rule
Footballguy
This guy doesn't particularly fit my team but I'm surprised he's there and think he's worth a pick this late.
Roger Maris, OF
We all know about 61 in '61. What people forget is that he was also the 1960 AL MVP, RBI leader, slugging leader, and won a Gold Glove. 2 great seasons, a 4-time all-star, a pretty good career all around, and of course the single-season HR king for 30 some years.
Roger Maris, OF
We all know about 61 in '61. What people forget is that he was also the 1960 AL MVP, RBI leader, slugging leader, and won a Gold Glove. 2 great seasons, a 4-time all-star, a pretty good career all around, and of course the single-season HR king for 30 some years.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
Post-1994 Draft is done. Check out the first page of our thread for results. 
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Taken. By me. My 1B that didn't play 1B in his third best season, remember?
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Oh no. The Halloween guy?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Oh Behave!
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
I nominate the Mike Myers pick in Round 20.01 as the worst pick of the draft. Any arguements?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Mike Myers' career 4.40 ERA looks right at home next to Tim Wakefields' 4.29.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
CRAP!!*takes Mike Myers pick back too*he's not 1995...
Koya
Footballguy
I understand this. However, when one of the all time great defensive players is rated below someone that is an average defensive player (maybe slightly above), I would expect the former to grade out better.My guess is the numbers do lie to an extent, as numbers without context do. It is no big deal, just a fact. i.e. Ozzie Smith might have a lower fld % than another SS> Doesnt make that other SS better defensively.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
Of all the decent lefites that are still available, only larry_boy can whittle down the list and select Mike Myers. ONLY larry_boy can do that.Amazing.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
19.16 RHP Paul Quantrillbest years: 1997 28 TOR AL 6 7 77 0 0 0 29 5 88.0 103 25 19 5 17 56 1 1 373 1.94 4.62 238 1998 29 TOR AL 3 4 82 0 0 0 32 7 80.0 88 26 23 5 22 59 3 1 345 2.59 4.66 180 1999 30 TOR AL 3 2 41 0 0 0 13 0 48.7 53 19 18 5 17 28 4 0 212 3.33 4.92 148 2000 31 TOR AL 2 5 68 0 0 0 24 1 83.7 100 45 42 7 25 47 2 1 367 4.52 4.97 110 2001 32 TOR AL 11 2 80 0 0 0 20 2 83.0 86 29 28 6 12 58 6 0 341 3.04 4.75 156 2002 33 LAD NL 5 4 86 0 0 0 22 1 76.7 80 27 23 1 25 53 3 0 330 2.70 3.79 140 2003 34 LAD NL 2 5 89 0 0 0 21 1 77.3 61 18 15 2 15 44 3 0 291 1.75 4.03 231 1992 23 BOS AL 2 3 27 0 0 0 10 1 49.3 55 18 12 1 15 24 1 1 213 2.19 4.23 193 1993 24 BOS AL 6 12 49 14 1 1 8 1 138.0 151 73 60 13 44 66 2 0 594 3.91 4.68 120and his 3rd years is: 2003 34 LAD NL 2 5 89 0 0 0 21 1 77.3 61 18 15 2 15 44 3 0 291 1.75 4.03 231a 231 adjusted ERA out of the bullpen? Yep...and, no, I didn't look on WIS before I picked him, I decided to get him in the next round, but figured I'd pick him now and checked there to amke sure I didn't end up with a crappy season where his adjusted ERA is like 90 or something, it isn't...*looks for pick #2*
