***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (1 Viewer)

[Koya]

Nispey - you may be mistaking my attempt to compromise with "being silent"When it became apparent a couple weeks back that a few people would prefer to keep an admittedly ####ty system over changing it for the good of all, I basically stopped arguing because I felt like the ONLY person supporting that issue so strongly and I did not want to be a reason for the draft to go to ####. So, if people wanted to keep the stupid rule, I was willing to just go with the flow. To me it was not worth arguing over in an online forum.That said, I have been resolute from the start - even before ANYone made any picks (I think) that having a hard fast "3rd year" rule for essentially a blind simulation (for most of us at least) could lead to issues and that having a 3rd or worse rule seemed far more fair - while keeping the intent of the draft (no brady anderson years) intact.

 

[Kraft...]

This is almost as bad as the LeBron pick on your end.

"Ouch"I don't think it's an advantage we are looking for(in my case anyway). I just want to be able to play a guy at the position I drafted him(with no Whatif knowledge).

 

[Nipsey]

Nispey - you may be mistaking my attempt to compromise with "being silent"When it became apparent a couple weeks back that a few people would prefer to keep an admittedly ####ty system over changing it for the good of all, I basically stopped arguing because I felt like the ONLY person supporting that issue so strongly and I did not want to be a reason for the draft to go to ####. So, if people wanted to keep the stupid rule, I was willing to just go with the flow. To me it was not worth arguing over in an online forum.That said, I have been resolute from the start - even before ANYone made any picks (I think) that having a hard fast "3rd year" rule for essentially a blind simulation (for most of us at least) could lead to issues and that having a 3rd or worse rule seemed far more fair - while keeping the intent of the draft (no brady anderson years) intact.

So if you didn't say anything back then in an attempt to "comprimise", why are you suddenly so vocal?Seriously, this maybe be worse than LeBron. At least with that pick you've since admitted your guilt.

 

[Doug B]

21.09 OF Vada Pinson

 

[Bogart]

pick is ready as soon as Doug picks......

 

[Koya]

I'd have some respect for your position if you said ANYTHING to back me up two weeks ago.  To bring it up now in the name of "fairness", just stinks on your part.

Nipsey, what are you talking about?I have been against the 3rd year rule since the start. So much so, I risked getting the ire of half the league by bringing the whole thing up after it was "decided" - in the rules thread.I have supported you then and I do now. Im not sure where you are coming from on this one, maybe you have my position mistaken for someone elses'?

If you were for it, why didn't you stand up when we had this discussion two weeks back? It seems the only reason you do it now is because you realize you have players that will benefit from a rule change at this late juncture. This is almost as bad as the LeBron pick on your end.

Please do not assume what I am thinking. It so happens you are wrong. I dont think any of my players will benefit. If you prefer to not believe me and just assume the worst of human nature, that is your perogative (though I would suggest getting the hell outta L.A. in that case It does bad things to good people)Go back and read from the beginning of this thread - go read the rules thread where I brought it up ANOTHER time, even though I thought it might upset some people.Eventually, since no one was willing to make a decision for the better of the league, I gave the issue up. I did not want to be pushing what I thought was right, if no one wanted to hear it. So now, after I stopped #####ing because I did not want to be a problem to Cap or anyone else, you have the gaul to say I didnt support you then, when I have probably been the strongest 3rd year or worse proponent from the beginning?Dont run off assuming that other people are thinking or acting in a certain way. I am looking for what would be most fair for EVERYone.Shoot - Ill say it now. Everyone ELSE can use third or worse years and I will only use 3rd years. Then , the league will be better off, and "you" wont think I am trying some underhanded way to gain advantage.

 

[Doug B]

So if you didn't say anything back then in an attempt to "comprimise", why are you suddenly so vocal?Seriously, this maybe be worse than LeBron. At least with that pick you've since admitted your guilt.

He did ... in the rules thread. That's also where I first proposed my compromise proposal.

 

[Doug B]

pick is ready as soon as Doug picks......

Hot potato

 

[Sammy3469]

Nispey - you may be mistaking my attempt to compromise with "being silent"When it became apparent a couple weeks back that a few people would prefer to keep an admittedly ####ty system over changing it for the good of all, I basically stopped arguing because I felt like the ONLY person supporting that issue so strongly and I did not want to be a reason for the draft to go to ####. So, if people wanted to keep the stupid rule, I was willing to just go with the flow. To me it was not worth arguing over in an online forum.That said, I have been resolute from the start - even before ANYone made any picks (I think) that having a hard fast "3rd year" rule for essentially a blind simulation (for most of us at least) could lead to issues and that having a 3rd or worse rule seemed far more fair - while keeping the intent of the draft (no brady anderson years) intact.

Koya has been consistent. Like I said about 5 pages ago, the defense thing isn't that big of a deal. A SS can play 2B and with much difference. To me the whole purpose of the 3rd season thing was to avoid the Brady Andersons and as an incentive to choose more consistant guys. The only reason I'd change it is for "better" play within the sim and I'm not that convinced (besides for sme very isolated cases) that case has been made.

 

[Bogart]

21.10 - Dwight "Dewey" Evans - OF

3 time All-Star.

8 Time Gold Glove winner.

4 Time Top 10 in MVP voting.

385 HR (46th All-Time)

1384 RBI (63rd All-Time)

941 Extra Base Hits (37th All-Time)

He will strike out on occasion (almost 1700 times), but has the pop and nice defense to come off the bench. Might even start if in a small park from time to time.

 

[Koya]

Nispey - you may be mistaking my attempt to compromise with "being silent"When it became apparent a couple weeks back that a few people would prefer to keep an admittedly ####ty system over changing it for the good of all, I basically stopped arguing because I felt like the ONLY person supporting that issue so strongly and I did not want to be a reason for the draft to go to ####. So, if people wanted to keep the stupid rule, I was willing to just go with the flow. To me it was not worth arguing over in an online forum.That said, I have been resolute from the start - even before ANYone made any picks (I think) that having a hard fast "3rd year" rule for essentially a blind simulation (for most of us at least) could lead to issues and that having a 3rd or worse rule seemed far more fair - while keeping the intent of the draft (no brady anderson years) intact.

So if you didn't say anything back then in an attempt to "comprimise", why are you suddenly so vocal?Seriously, this maybe be worse than LeBron. At least with that pick you've since admitted your guilt.

whatever nipsey. at this point you are not worth arguing with. I dont know if you are fishing or resolutely insolent. perhaps if you stopped always accusing and took a breath it might help things, because I have spoken up for this many times. I simply did not want my issue to take over the draft. Hence, I put my final attempt at changing the rule, in the rules thread.After it did not gain enough support, I let it rest for the good of the draft. Why someone would turn around me trying to change a bad rule for the better of the league, and doing so in a more diplomatic way (the rules thread), basically to avoid just this type of arguement, I dont know.Then again, I dont know why people act a lot of ways online, but they do.:shrugs:So I bring up my idea to change the rule and harrier jumps all over me. Where were you supporting me then? Instead, you make it out like I was silent then and only looking for an advantage now. Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Kraft...]

A SS can play 2B and with much difference.

Cool, as long as I can play guys at the positions I drafted them in I'm happy.

 

[Kraft...]

21.10 - Dwight "Dewey" Evans - OF

3 time All-Star.

8 Time Gold Glove winner.

4 Time Top 10 in MVP voting.

385 HR (46th All-Time)

1384 RBI (63rd All-Time)

941 Extra Base Hits (37th All-Time)

He will strike out on occasion (almost 1700 times), but has the pop and nice defense to come off the bench. Might even start if in a small park from time to time.

Love Dewey, great pick I gotta get some more Sox on my roster. . .

 

[larry_boy_44]

Nispey - you may be mistaking my attempt to compromise with "being silent"When it became apparent a couple weeks back that a few people would prefer to keep an admittedly ####ty system over changing it for the good of all, I basically stopped arguing because I felt like the ONLY person supporting that issue so strongly and I did not want to be a reason for the draft to go to ####. So, if people wanted to keep the stupid rule, I was willing to just go with the flow. To me it was not worth arguing over in an online forum.That said, I have been resolute from the start - even before ANYone made any picks (I think) that having a hard fast "3rd year" rule for essentially a blind simulation (for most of us at least) could lead to issues and that having a 3rd or worse rule seemed far more fair - while keeping the intent of the draft (no brady anderson years) intact.

Koya has been consistent. Like I said about 5 pages ago, the defense thing isn't that big of a deal. A SS can play 2B and with much difference. To me the whole purpose of the 3rd season thing was to avoid the Brady Andersons and as an incentive to choose more consistant guys. The only reason I'd change it is for "better" play within the sim and I'm not that convinced (besides for sme very isolated cases) that case has been made.

how's about this for a rule change:Everyone can submit one player and a reason why to switch from the 3rd best to the 4th best season (maybe a different one, also, but you have to have good reasoning)...This will eliminate players like Pudge and Ryan (and I'm sure there are a few others) having crappy seasons as thier third season...sound fair? We all get a say and majority rules on if they can use the 4th season or not...But we all have to agree that this would be fair to allow us to have one guy we can request a season change for...WE need to be a little flexible 'cuz WIS isn't made for this kind of thing, we are all gonna be at 200% of thier salary cap, so thier cap numbers are useless...now if they gave us cap numbers taht had nothing to do with ABs and IP (or less to do with that) I would agree it would be a good system...But with how they weight IP and ABs I can't see thier system as being fair in any way and we really need to come up with a way for thier to be at LEAST an exception per team being possible...

 

[Bogart]

21.10 - Dwight "Dewey" Evans - OF

3 time All-Star.

8 Time Gold Glove winner.

4 Time Top 10 in MVP voting.

385 HR (46th All-Time)

1384 RBI (63rd All-Time)

941 Extra Base Hits (37th All-Time)

He will strike out on occasion (almost 1700 times), but has the pop and nice defense to come off the bench. Might even start if in a small park from time to time.

Love Dewey, great pick I gotta get some more Sox on my roster. . .

Thanks.Maybe it's just me, but it seems like alot of the players from the late 1970's to early 1980's are being forgotten about.

 

[Koya]

Nice pick in Evans... if I didnt have 6 outfielders already I would definately have had him on the short list. He was considered when I went Lofton, but I had power off the bench already in Medwick and Crawford.

Ill write up in a minute, but to add an MVP arm to my bullpen this late in the game is something I am very happy to do. An unreal winning percentage and a good stretch of dominance in the late '30's to 40's

Spud Chandler RHP

(he is still available by my account, correct? assuming yes, Ill do a write up)

 

[Kraft...]

21.10 - Dwight "Dewey" Evans - OF

3 time All-Star.

8 Time Gold Glove winner.

4 Time Top 10 in MVP voting.

385 HR (46th All-Time)

1384 RBI (63rd All-Time)

941 Extra Base Hits (37th All-Time)

He will strike out on occasion (almost 1700 times), but has the pop and nice defense to come off the bench. Might even start if in a small park from time to time.

Love Dewey, great pick I gotta get some more Sox on my roster. . .

Thanks.Maybe it's just me, but it seems like alot of the players from the late 1970's to early 1980's are being forgotten about.

Late 1970's to early 1980's just isn't an Era of superstars lots of solid players though.Just looking at 76-83 MVP's 8 out of 17(tie in 79) winners aren't in The Hall

10 out of 16 Cy young winners not in The Hall

 

[Doug B]

how's about this for a rule change:

Everyone can submit one player and a reason why to switch from the 3rd best to the 4th best season (maybe a different one, also, but you have to have good reasoning)...

This will eliminate players like Pudge and Ryan (and I'm sure there are a few others) having crappy seasons as thier third season...

sound fair? We all get a say and majority rules on if they can use the 4th season or not...

I thought about this earlier -- the only problem with it is the league vote. People will disagree on what is sufficient justification.Is the problem that using the fourth-or-worse season for four players seems too much? How about two players, then?

 

[Sammy3469]

A SS can play 2B and with much difference.

Cool, as long as I can play guys at the positions I drafted them in I'm happy.

I spent some of the day searching the threads over there so let me see if i can expalin this all in one post. 1. Anybody can play anywhere2. they group the players each year at each positon in 3 tiers. The best third get As, the next get B, the next third get Cs, the truly awful get Ds. These grades are only a proxy.3. These grades are backed by the actually fielding stats. That means that grades can't be compared from year to year. 4. There seems to be a fielding "pyramid" with SS and 2B being the most useful (i.e. they can play multiple positions)5. To get a better idea of who can make that transition look at the range. The better the range the better that player will be at their non-natural position.6. Players will make errors at the same rate they did that year. So even if your guy is supposedly great, if he made a bunch of errors that year tehy will show up in the Sim7. Each of these errors will cost you about .5 runs a game...just like what's estimated in regular baseball. So the only real problem is if you have get a season (say a 1B season) late in a guys career after his defensive skills have deterioted. He basically can't play anywhere effectively. I think that's the luck of the draw though. In sum, you can play guys out of position. If they are good defensively it will hurt you a little.

 

[Nipsey]

Nispey - you may be mistaking my attempt to compromise with "being silent"When it became apparent a couple weeks back that a few people would prefer to keep an admittedly ####ty system over changing it for the good of all, I basically stopped arguing because I felt like the ONLY person supporting that issue so strongly and I did not want to be a reason for the draft to go to ####.  So, if people wanted to keep the stupid rule, I was willing to just go with the flow.  To me it was not worth arguing over in an online forum.That said, I have been resolute from the start - even before ANYone made any picks (I think) that having a hard fast "3rd year" rule for essentially a blind simulation (for most of us at least) could lead to issues and that having a 3rd or worse rule seemed far more fair - while keeping the intent of the draft (no brady anderson years) intact.

So if you didn't say anything back then in an attempt to "comprimise", why are you suddenly so vocal?Seriously, this maybe be worse than LeBron. At least with that pick you've since admitted your guilt.

whatever nipsey. at this point you are not worth arguing with. I dont know if you are fishing or resolutely insolent. perhaps if you stopped always accusing and took a breath it might help things, because I have spoken up for this many times. I simply did not want my issue to take over the draft. Hence, I put my final attempt at changing the rule, in the rules thread.After it did not gain enough support, I let it rest for the good of the draft. Why someone would turn around me trying to change a bad rule for the better of the league, and doing so in a more diplomatic way (the rules thread), basically to avoid just this type of arguement, I dont know.Then again, I dont know why people act a lot of ways online, but they do.:shrugs:So I bring up my idea to change the rule and harrier jumps all over me. Where were you supporting me then? Instead, you make it out like I was silent then and only looking for an advantage now. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I didn't set foot in that rule thread once. I didn't even know it existed. But to lecture me and call me "resolutely insolent" after you took LeBron is completely hypocritical. I'll just leave it at that as to not rekindle the pain of others who may be in this thread.

 

[Kraft...]

A SS can play 2B and with much difference. 

Cool, as long as I can play guys at the positions I drafted them in I'm happy.

I spent some of the day searching the threads over there so let me see if i can expalin this all in one post. 1. Anybody can play anywhere2. they group the players each year at each positon in 3 tiers. The best third get As, the next get B, the next third get Cs, the truly awful get Ds. These grades are only a proxy.3. These grades are backed by the actually fielding stats. That means that grades can't be compared from year to year. 4. There seems to be a fielding "pyramid" with SS and 2B being the most useful (i.e. they can play multiple positions)5. To get a better idea of who can make that transition look at the range. The better the range the better that player will be at their non-natural position.6. Players will make errors at the same rate they did that year. So even if your guy is supposedly great, if he made a bunch of errors that year tehy will show up in the Sim7. Each of these errors will cost you about .5 runs a game...just like what's estimated in regular baseball. So the only real problem is if you have get a season (say a 1B season) late in a guys career after his defensive skills have deterioted. He basically can't play anywhere effectively. I think that's the luck of the draw though. In sum, you can play guys out of position. If they are good defensively it will hurt you a little.

Thanks Sammy, that resloves my issues(or non issues as it turns out).

 

[Funkley]

A SS can play 2B and with much difference.

Cool, as long as I can play guys at the positions I drafted them in I'm happy.

Exactly.

 

[Koya]

A SS can play 2B and with much difference. 

Cool, as long as I can play guys at the positions I drafted them in I'm happy.

I spent some of the day searching the threads over there so let me see if i can expalin this all in one post. 1. Anybody can play anywhere2. they group the players each year at each positon in 3 tiers. The best third get As, the next get B, the next third get Cs, the truly awful get Ds. These grades are only a proxy.3. These grades are backed by the actually fielding stats. That means that grades can't be compared from year to year. 4. There seems to be a fielding "pyramid" with SS and 2B being the most useful (i.e. they can play multiple positions)5. To get a better idea of who can make that transition look at the range. The better the range the better that player will be at their non-natural position.6. Players will make errors at the same rate they did that year. So even if your guy is supposedly great, if he made a bunch of errors that year tehy will show up in the Sim7. Each of these errors will cost you about .5 runs a game...just like what's estimated in regular baseball. So the only real problem is if you have get a season (say a 1B season) late in a guys career after his defensive skills have deterioted. He basically can't play anywhere effectively. I think that's the luck of the draw though. In sum, you can play guys out of position. If they are good defensively it will hurt you a little.

thanks. sounds like I could use Schmidt at 1st without too much trouble (as one example) and probably A Rod at third. But, as mentioned, my situation is not bad. It sounds like some other people might be far more effected.

 

[Koya]

Nispey - you may be mistaking my attempt to compromise with "being silent"When it became apparent a couple weeks back that a few people would prefer to keep an admittedly ####ty system over changing it for the good of all, I basically stopped arguing because I felt like the ONLY person supporting that issue so strongly and I did not want to be a reason for the draft to go to ####.  So, if people wanted to keep the stupid rule, I was willing to just go with the flow.  To me it was not worth arguing over in an online forum.That said, I have been resolute from the start - even before ANYone made any picks (I think) that having a hard fast "3rd year" rule for essentially a blind simulation (for most of us at least) could lead to issues and that having a 3rd or worse rule seemed far more fair - while keeping the intent of the draft (no brady anderson years) intact.

So if you didn't say anything back then in an attempt to "comprimise", why are you suddenly so vocal?Seriously, this maybe be worse than LeBron. At least with that pick you've since admitted your guilt.

whatever nipsey. at this point you are not worth arguing with. I dont know if you are fishing or resolutely insolent. perhaps if you stopped always accusing and took a breath it might help things, because I have spoken up for this many times. I simply did not want my issue to take over the draft. Hence, I put my final attempt at changing the rule, in the rules thread.After it did not gain enough support, I let it rest for the good of the draft. Why someone would turn around me trying to change a bad rule for the better of the league, and doing so in a more diplomatic way (the rules thread), basically to avoid just this type of arguement, I dont know.Then again, I dont know why people act a lot of ways online, but they do.:shrugs:So I bring up my idea to change the rule and harrier jumps all over me. Where were you supporting me then? Instead, you make it out like I was silent then and only looking for an advantage now. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I didn't set foot in that rule thread once. I didn't even know it existed. But to lecture me and call me "resolutely insolent" after you took LeBron is completely hypocritical. I'll just leave it at that as to not rekindle the pain of others who may be in this thread.

Aside from the fishing on Lebron ( ), when I am accused over and over of things that not only am I not guilty of, but when I actually did the exact opposite, when this pattern of behavior is ongoing, thread to thread to thread, when I know that I have said "sorry" when I see Im mistaken but see NO evidence of that on behalf of someone else, not sure where else to go Nipsey.

 

[Funkley]

200 pages by the end of the day? It's a possibility.

 

[Koya]

so.... spud chandler is good to go?

 

[Kraft...]

200 pages by the end of the day? It's a possibility.

You're up Funk

 

[Funkley]

'Resolutely insolent' was a good line. Very creative.

 

[Funkley]

200 pages by the end of the day? It's a possibility.

You're up Funk

oops....gimme a minute.

 

[Nipsey]

Nispey - you may be mistaking my attempt to compromise with "being silent"When it became apparent a couple weeks back that a few people would prefer to keep an admittedly ####ty system over changing it for the good of all, I basically stopped arguing because I felt like the ONLY person supporting that issue so strongly and I did not want to be a reason for the draft to go to ####.  So, if people wanted to keep the stupid rule, I was willing to just go with the flow.  To me it was not worth arguing over in an online forum.That said, I have been resolute from the start - even before ANYone made any picks (I think) that having a hard fast "3rd year" rule for essentially a blind simulation (for most of us at least) could lead to issues and that having a 3rd or worse rule seemed far more fair - while keeping the intent of the draft (no brady anderson years) intact.

So if you didn't say anything back then in an attempt to "comprimise", why are you suddenly so vocal?Seriously, this maybe be worse than LeBron. At least with that pick you've since admitted your guilt.

whatever nipsey. at this point you are not worth arguing with. I dont know if you are fishing or resolutely insolent. perhaps if you stopped always accusing and took a breath it might help things, because I have spoken up for this many times. I simply did not want my issue to take over the draft. Hence, I put my final attempt at changing the rule, in the rules thread.After it did not gain enough support, I let it rest for the good of the draft. Why someone would turn around me trying to change a bad rule for the better of the league, and doing so in a more diplomatic way (the rules thread), basically to avoid just this type of arguement, I dont know.Then again, I dont know why people act a lot of ways online, but they do.:shrugs:So I bring up my idea to change the rule and harrier jumps all over me. Where were you supporting me then? Instead, you make it out like I was silent then and only looking for an advantage now. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I didn't set foot in that rule thread once. I didn't even know it existed. But to lecture me and call me "resolutely insolent" after you took LeBron is completely hypocritical. I'll just leave it at that as to not rekindle the pain of others who may be in this thread.

Aside from the fishing on Lebron ( ), when I am accused over and over of things that not only am I not guilty of, but when I actually did the exact opposite, when this pattern of behavior is ongoing, thread to thread to thread, when I know that I have said "sorry" when I see Im mistaken but see NO evidence of that on behalf of someone else, not sure where else to go Nipsey.

It may seem like fishing to you, but to others it just brings back the pain of the entire NBA draft because of LeBron. My PM inbox can back this claim up....

 

[Doug B]

so.... spud chandler is good to go?

Yes -- he's yours.

 

[Kraft...]

Nispey - you may be mistaking my attempt to compromise with "being silent"When it became apparent a couple weeks back that a few people would prefer to keep an admittedly ####ty system over changing it for the good of all, I basically stopped arguing because I felt like the ONLY person supporting that issue so strongly and I did not want to be a reason for the draft to go to ####.  So, if people wanted to keep the stupid rule, I was willing to just go with the flow.  To me it was not worth arguing over in an online forum.That said, I have been resolute from the start - even before ANYone made any picks (I think) that having a hard fast "3rd year" rule for essentially a blind simulation (for most of us at least) could lead to issues and that having a 3rd or worse rule seemed far more fair - while keeping the intent of the draft (no brady anderson years) intact.

So if you didn't say anything back then in an attempt to "comprimise", why are you suddenly so vocal?Seriously, this maybe be worse than LeBron. At least with that pick you've since admitted your guilt.

whatever nipsey. at this point you are not worth arguing with. I dont know if you are fishing or resolutely insolent. perhaps if you stopped always accusing and took a breath it might help things, because I have spoken up for this many times. I simply did not want my issue to take over the draft. Hence, I put my final attempt at changing the rule, in the rules thread.After it did not gain enough support, I let it rest for the good of the draft. Why someone would turn around me trying to change a bad rule for the better of the league, and doing so in a more diplomatic way (the rules thread), basically to avoid just this type of arguement, I dont know.Then again, I dont know why people act a lot of ways online, but they do.:shrugs:So I bring up my idea to change the rule and harrier jumps all over me. Where were you supporting me then? Instead, you make it out like I was silent then and only looking for an advantage now. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I didn't set foot in that rule thread once. I didn't even know it existed. But to lecture me and call me "resolutely insolent" after you took LeBron is completely hypocritical. I'll just leave it at that as to not rekindle the pain of others who may be in this thread.

Aside from the fishing on Lebron ( ), when I am accused over and over of things that not only am I not guilty of, but when I actually did the exact opposite, when this pattern of behavior is ongoing, thread to thread to thread, when I know that I have said "sorry" when I see Im mistaken but see NO evidence of that on behalf of someone else, not sure where else to go Nipsey.

It may seem like fishing to you, but to others it just brings back the pain of the entire NBA draft because of LeBron. My PM inbox can back this claim up....

Mr. Ham was very upset about it if I recall correctly.

 

[Sammy3469]

A SS can play 2B and with much difference. 

Cool, as long as I can play guys at the positions I drafted them in I'm happy.

I spent some of the day searching the threads over there so let me see if i can expalin this all in one post. 1. Anybody can play anywhere2. they group the players each year at each positon in 3 tiers. The best third get As, the next get B, the next third get Cs, the truly awful get Ds. These grades are only a proxy.3. These grades are backed by the actually fielding stats. That means that grades can't be compared from year to year. 4. There seems to be a fielding "pyramid" with SS and 2B being the most useful (i.e. they can play multiple positions)5. To get a better idea of who can make that transition look at the range. The better the range the better that player will be at their non-natural position.6. Players will make errors at the same rate they did that year. So even if your guy is supposedly great, if he made a bunch of errors that year tehy will show up in the Sim7. Each of these errors will cost you about .5 runs a game...just like what's estimated in regular baseball. So the only real problem is if you have get a season (say a 1B season) late in a guys career after his defensive skills have deterioted. He basically can't play anywhere effectively. I think that's the luck of the draw though. In sum, you can play guys out of position. If they are good defensively it will hurt you a little.

Thanks Sammy, that resloves my issues(or non issues as it turns out).

I should add that it seems that defense is a cost. All you can try to do is minimize it. If one of your guys is bad it will cost you over the course of the year. If a guy had 30 errors some year...they will show up.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Post-1994 Draft Results based on the season with the second highest number of Win Shares:

Win Shares Tally:

1) oso diablo: 533

2) GWB: 500

3) trefor3: 460

We'll see how it plays out on the cyber-field.

Note: This does not include the Negro League players.

 

[Funkley]

Roy Face - RP

 

[ScottNorwood]

Roy Face - RP

God you suck at this.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

It may seem like fishing to you, but to others it just brings back the pain of the entire NBA draft because of LeBron. My PM inbox can back this claim up....

Can I get the Cliff's Notes version of this whole Lebron issue? TIA

 

[Funkley]

Roy Face - RP

God you suck at this.

From the expert on 'suck'.

 

[Bogart]

Roy Face - RP

God you suck at this.

gee, didn't expect Roy Face to get that bad of a reaction. As far as relief pitchers go, he is near the top of what's left.

 

[Koya]

Spud Chandler

RHP 1937-1947

2.84 Lifetime ERA (Top 30 ALL TIME adj. ERA)

.712 Lifetime Winning Percentage (#2 all time)

Another example of a pitcher a few years short of a HoF career, Chandler was a great pitcher for the Yanks for a decade. Granted, his incredible winning percentage did come with the Yanks - but he did so with on of the best ever adjusted ERA's along with very good WHIP numbers. If not for his very late start, injuries AND two years lost to war, Chandler would be knocking on Cooperstown's Door.

Accomplishments

MVP

#2 ALL TIME Winning Percentage

#29 ALL TIME Adj. ERA

ERA Title, 3 Times top 3

Wins Title, 3 Times top 5

WHIP Leader (4 Times top 5)

1 Time Shutout King, 3 Times top 2, 5 times top 5.

A great righty arm for the Pen, where we will not overwork him.

"A right-handed pitcher, Chandler didn't make it to the major leagues until he was twenty-nine, but he never had a losing season and he turned in a remarkable career winning percentage and outstanding ERA.

Chandler was named the AL's most valuable player in 1943, when he helped take the Yankees to a pennant, leading the league in victories and winning percentage with a 20-4 record, in complete games with 20, in shutouts with 5, and in ERA with 1.64.

He had joined the Yankees during the 1937 season and had a 21-9 record during his first two years. Injuries limited his playing time for the next four seasons, yet he put together a composite 37-16 record before his MVP year.

Chandler missed almost all of the 1944 and 1945 seasons because of military service, but he came back to win 20 and lose only 8, with a 2.10 ERA in 1946. He retired after a 9-5 record in the 1947 season.

In 11 major league seasons, Chandler had a 109-43 record for a .717 winning percentage, with 26 shutouts and a 2.84 ERA. He struck out 614 and walked 463 in 1,485 innings." baseball library.com

 

[Kraft...]

First Active player, I'm taking the plunge

With pick # 13 in round 21 The curse reversing idiots select. . .

21.13 Jim Edmonds - OF

 

[Funkley]

Roy Face - RP

God you suck at this.

gee, didn't expect Roy Face to get that bad of a reaction. As far as relief pitchers go, he is near the top of what's left.

Ignore what he thinks....everyone else does.

 

[oso diablo]

good pick on Edmonds. Top OF left on my board.

Selecting for UCONN...

21.14 Tony Fernandez - SS

 

[Kraft...]

good pick on Edmonds. Top OF left on my board.

Selecting for UCONN...

21.14 Tony Fernandez - SS

Nice pick one of the top Utility If'ers left on My board.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Roy Face - RP

God you suck at this.

gee, didn't expect Roy Face to get that bad of a reaction. As far as relief pitchers go, he is near the top of what's left.

Ignore what he thinks....everyone else does.

Hey, I'm an important guy around here.

 

[Politician Spock]

Roy Face - RP

God you suck at this.

gee, didn't expect Roy Face to get that bad of a reaction. As far as relief pitchers go, he is near the top of what's left.

Ignore what he thinks....everyone else does.

Hey, I'm an important guy around here.

Who are you?

 

[Funkley]

Roy Face - RP

God you suck at this.

gee, didn't expect Roy Face to get that bad of a reaction. As far as relief pitchers go, he is near the top of what's left.

Ignore what he thinks....everyone else does.

Hey, I'm an important guy around here.

 

[Nipsey]

It may seem like fishing to you, but to others it just brings back the pain of the entire NBA draft because of LeBron. My PM inbox can back this claim up....

Can I get the Cliff's Notes version of this whole Lebron issue? TIA

Koya drafted a second year player in an all-time draft (for a vote only), thus undercutting Capella's everyone who took players from earlier eras. Transfered the balance of power to the modern NBA players as evidenced from which teams made it to the finals.

 

[Bogart]

Roy Face - RP

God you suck at this.

gee, didn't expect Roy Face to get that bad of a reaction. As far as relief pitchers go, he is near the top of what's left.

Ignore what he thinks....everyone else does.

Hey, I'm an important guy around here.

19th place??

 

[Koya]

I would like to know how Jim Edmonds made it past 15+ rounds of Larry Boy?