***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)

[Notorious T.R.E.]

considering a change to have 3 pitchers in the "key bench" category, rather than 2.  opinions?remember, i have your 5 best pitchers labeled as "starters", although that doesn't mean that they are your SPs, just 5 best overall.

Probably a good idea to go to 3, considering there is probably a Key Lefty a Key Righty and a Closer in most teams bullpen arrangment. Leaving two remaining guys for spot start and long relief duty.(assuming a 10 man staff, did anyone go 10+?)

Do you rate the guys that are not "key" bench players and include that in your analysis too? I think you should rate teams based on their entire bench, especially the pitchers. Real MLB staffs are usually 12 pitchers and these teams are only carrying 10, which in my mind makes them very important.Just my

 

[Koya]

Oso - sounds like a good rating system. Obviously nothing is perfect, but the more objective info we get, the better. Perhaps you can include some subjective grade (ala Bill James) for what you think is an effective lineup to offset someone that might have 8 better players... but not a lineup that would produce more runs.Just a suggestion.

 

[Doug B]

(Assuming a 10 man staff, did anyone go 10+?)

I'm going to end up having nine pitchers -- I think I may have to modify that for the WIS.com sim. They seem to require 10. :( .

 

[Koya]

considering a change to have 3 pitchers in the "key bench" category, rather than 2. opinions?remember, i have your 5 best pitchers labeled as "starters", although that doesn't mean that they are your SPs, just 5 best overall.

I think you should have at least 8 pitchers total. A good point about only carrying 10 pitchers. That said, some of us might be going 4 man rotation vs. 5 but I dont want to get crazy in grading the teams.

 

[Kraft...]

(Assuming a 10 man staff, did anyone go 10+?)

I'm going to end up having nine pitchers -- I think I may have to modify that for the WIS.com sim. They seem to require 10. :( .

Why not just grab another P with your last pick?Or will the last pick bring you up to 9?

 

[Sammy3469]

considering a change to have 3 pitchers in the "key bench" category, rather than 2.  opinions?remember, i have your 5 best pitchers labeled as "starters", although that doesn't mean that they are your SPs, just 5 best overall.

Probably a good idea to go to 3, considering there is probably a Key Lefty a Key Righty and a Closer in most teams bullpen arrangment. Leaving two remaining guys for spot start and long relief duty.(assuming a 10 man staff, did anyone go 10+?)

Do you rate the guys that are not "key" bench players and include that in your analysis too? I think you should rate teams based on their entire bench, especially the pitchers. Real MLB staffs are usually 12 pitchers and these teams are only carrying 10, which in my mind makes them very important.Just my

i'll truly be surprised if any team regularly uses their 9th or 10th pitcher. Similarly I'll be surprised if people use their 14th or 15th hitting subs. While these are deep teams they're also top heavy teams. There are a few obvious situations where guys are going to platoon, but people are nuts if they think they're taking out their top-tier guys for match-ups.

 

[Doug B]

(Assuming a 10 man staff, did anyone go 10+?)

I'm going to end up having nine pitchers -- I think I may have to modify that for the WIS.com sim. They seem to require 10. :( .

Why not just grab another P with your last pick?Or will the last pick bring you up to 9?

Yeah, I only have eight so far.

 

[Koya]

(Assuming a 10 man staff, did anyone go 10+?)

I'm going to end up having nine pitchers -- I think I may have to modify that for the WIS.com sim. They seem to require 10. :( .

Why not just grab another P with your last pick?Or will the last pick bring you up to 9?

Yeah, I only have eight so far.

I am playing for extra innings against you.

 

[Koya]

Oso - do your rankings take into account any "soft" measures other than Bill James' take - i.e. points for MVP, HoF, even All Star or Gold Gloves (although the later two and especially the last might not have much value). There are many players that were far greater than their numbers, and these may be a way to bring out the "intangibles" for such players.Again, just an idea/suggestion.

 

[Sammy3469]

Oso - do your rankings take into account any "soft" measures other than Bill James' take - i.e. points for MVP, HoF, even All Star or Gold Gloves (although the later two and especially the last might not have much value). There are many players that were far greater than their numbers, and these may be a way to bring out the "intangibles" for such players.Again, just an idea/suggestion.

Quiet....you...stop trying to take away my glory

 

[Koya]

Oso - do your rankings take into account any "soft" measures other than Bill James' take - i.e. points for MVP, HoF, even All Star or Gold Gloves (although the later two and especially the last might not have much value). There are many players that were far greater than their numbers, and these may be a way to bring out the "intangibles" for such players.Again, just an idea/suggestion.

Quiet....you...stop trying to take away my glory

Actually, I give much props to your team. Some players might not have the name rec (Delahanty (sp?) and Brouthers) but are awesome players.Curious to see how your pitching stacks up in game play but I think you have one of the better teams for sure.Plus, I see you have over 10 MVPs and my guess is a lot of HoF's - should only help your glory. Oso - are you doing more career stats (i.e. total win shares) or stats per 162 or stats per IP - or a combo of both. I find both useful because they show peak ability vs. production over time.

 

[Doug B]

Yeah, I only have eight so far.

I am playing for extra innings against you.

(off to find some Missouri-Compromise-era pitcher that can go 1,000 IP/162)

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[Kraft...]

Yeah, I only have eight so far.

I am playing for extra innings against you.

(off to find some Missouri-Compromise-era pitcher that can go 1,000 IP/162)

.

I'm currently haveing an internal strugle weather or not to take a Lefty(to make my staff 5 L and 5 R) or take another Righty that is surprisingly still out there and would be very solid value in round 25. :duel:

 

[Koya]

So, the next 25 rounds will fill our AAA team, yes?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Oso - do your rankings take into account any "soft" measures other than Bill James' take - i.e. points for MVP, HoF, even All Star or Gold Gloves (although the later two and especially the last might not have much value). There are many players that were far greater than their numbers, and these may be a way to bring out the "intangibles" for such players.Again, just an idea/suggestion.

I like this idea...

 

[Kraft...]

So, the next 25 rounds will fill our AAA team, yes?

Well AA is where all the real talent is these days so I'll probably got that route first.

 

[Doug B]

LATEST TWO ROUNDS:

24 369 Larryboy 1B Andres Gallaraga

24 370 Spartans 1B Dolph Camilli

24 371 UCONN SS Jim Fregosi

24 372 Kraft SS Dave Concepcion

24 373 funkley SP Camilo Pascual

24 374 Koya C Bubbles Hargrave

24 375 bogart C Jim Sundberg

24 376 Doug B RP Rob Dibble

24 377 Harrier 2B Bid McPhee

24 378 Pickles 2B Chuck Knoblauch

24 379 Sammy3469 SS Phil Rizzuto

24 380 Nipsey SS Dave Bancroft

24 381 Capella C Bob Boone

24 382 lastresort SS Omar Visquel

24 383 Spock SP Andy Messersmith

24 384 pumpnick C Ed Bailey

25 385 pumpnick OF Ross Youngs

25 386 Spock RP Ron Perranoski

25 387 lastresort SP Bob Veale

25 388 Capella skip

25 389 Nipsey on the clock

25 390 Sammy3469 on deck

25 391 Pickles in the hole

25 392 Harrier

25 393 Doug B

25 394 bogart

25 395 Koya

25 396 funkley

25 397 Kraft

25 398 UCONN

25 399 Spartans

25 400 Larryboy

 

[Nipsey]

You can skip me too if you want, going to take me a while and I'm busy today.Seriously, read some of Mr. Ham's (long) posts. I cannot write like that. He is not me. And what is Firefox?

 

[Kraft...]

Guess you're up then Sammy

 

[Sammy3469]

While Nipsey and Cap are saying skip them I'll jump in and take

SP/RP Jose Rijo

This is more a need pick than anything else, I need a power pitcher out of the pen who can strikeout some guys if need be.

His career was cut short because his arm turned to jelly, but in his prime the man could pitch.

 

[Koya]

Doug, do you happen to have a list of all Pitchers taken? It is hard to go through that whole list and not miss something. tia.

 

[Nipsey]

Forget it, don't skip me. I take JOSE RIJO. I hope he's still available.

 

[Kraft...]

25 385 pumpnick OF Ross Youngs

25 386 Spock RP Ron Perranoski

25 387 lastresort SP Bob Veale

25 388 Capella skip

25 389 Nipsey skip

25 390 Sammy P Jose Rijo

25 391 Pickles ON THE CLOCK

25 392 Harrier

25 393 Doug B

25 394 bogart

25 395 Koya

25 396 funkley

25 397 Kraft

25 398 UCONN

25 399 Spartans

25 400 Larryboy

 

[Bogart]

Forget it, don't skip me. I take JOSE RIJO. I hope he's still available.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 

[Doug B]

Doug, do you happen to have a list of all Pitchers taken? It is hard to go through that whole list and not miss something. tia.

RELIEVERS, FOLLOWED BY STARTERS:7 101 Nipsey RP Dennis Eckersley9 133 Nipsey RP Rollie Fingers9 143 Spartans RP Hoyt Wilhelm10 147 UCONN RP Goose Gossage12 183 bogart RP Dan Quisenberry12 191 Spock RP John Franco12 192 pumpnick RP Bruce Sutter13 194 Spock RP Trevor Hoffman13 199 Pickles RP Lee Smith13 206 UCONN RP Tug McGraw14 211 UCONN RP Robb Nen14 213 funkley RP **** Radatz14 215 bogart RP Randy Myers14 216 Doug B RP Tom Henke14 218 Pickles RP Armando Benitez14 219 Sammy3469 RP Jeff Reardon15 225 pumpnick RP Sparky Lyle15 226 Spock RP Kent Tekulve15 227 lastresort RP John Wetteland15 239 Spartans RP Willie Hernandez16 244 Kraft RP John Hiller17 271 Spartans RP Dave Righetti18 287 Spock RP Terry Forster19 291 lastresort RP Mike Marshall19 298 bogart RP Joe Wood19 304 Larryboy RP Paul Quantrill20 306 Spartans RP Jeff Montgomery20 318 lastresort RP Jesse Orosco20 320 pumpnick RP Stu Miller21 324 Capella RP Rick Aguilera21 332 funkley RP Roy Face22 340 Kraft RP Doug Jones22 342 Koya RP Todd Worrell23 362 bogart RP Orval Overall24 376 Doug B RP Rob Dibble25 386 Spock RP Ron Perranoski1 1 pumpnick SP Walter Johnson1 2 Spock SP Sandy Koufax1 5 Nipsey SP Cy Young1 11 Koya SP Lefty Grove1 16 Larryboy SP Christy Mathewson2 17 Larryboy SP Roger Clemens2 18 Spartans SP Pedro Martinez2 24 Doug B SP Warren Spahn2 25 Harrier SP Grover Cleveland (Pete) Alexander2 31 Spock SP Nolan Ryan3 33 pumpnick SP Greg Maddux3 34 Spock SP Steve Carlton3 36 Capella SP Randy Johnson3 40 Harrier SP Mordecai Brown3 43 Koya SP Tom Seaver3 45 Kraft SP Bob Gibson3 47 Spartans SP Hal Newhouser4 53 funkley SP Juan Marichal5 65 pumpnick SP Carl Hubbell5 69 Nipsey SP Bob Feller5 71 Pickles SP Whitey Ford5 72 Harrier SP Ed Walsh5 77 Kraft SP Jim Palmer6 82 Spartans SP Dizzy Dean6 83 UCONN SP Ferguson Jenkins6 94 lastresort SP Robin Roberts7 99 lastresort SP Gaylord Perry7 102 Sammy3469 SP Phil Niekro7 103 Pickles SP Kid Nichols7 105 Doug B SP Eddie Plank7 106 bogart SP Tim Keefe7 107 Koya SP Dazzy Vance7 108 funkley SP Rube Waddell7 110 UCONN SP Don Drysdale7 112 Larryboy SP Tom Glavine8 114 Spartans SP Ron Guidry8 115 UCONN SP Catfish Hunter8 118 Koya SP Lefty Gomez8 119 bogart SP Addie Joss8 125 Capella SP Bert Blyleven9 130 Spock SP Jim Bunning9 134 Sammy3469 SP Don Sutton9 135 Pickles SP Kevin Brown9 141 Kraft SP Vida Blue9 142 UCONN SP Fernando Valenzuela10 149 funkley SP Luis Tiant10 152 Doug B SP Curt Schilling10 153 Harrier SP Chief Bender10 155 Sammy3469 SP Burleigh Grimes11 161 pumpnick SP Stan Koveleski11 163 lastresort SP Sam McDowell11 164 Capella SP Early Wynn11 173 Kraft SP Joe McGinnity11 174 UCONN SP Jim Kaat12 177 Larryboy SP Dwight Gooden12 179 UCONN SP J.R. Richard12 186 Pickles SP Mike Mussina12 187 Sammy3469 SP Wilbur Cooper12 190 lastresort SP Charley Radbourn13 195 lastresort SP Jack Morris13 196 Capella SP Tommy John13 197 Nipsey SP Orel Hersheiser13 200 Harrier SP Jack Pfiester13 201 Doug B SP Red Faber13 202 bogart SP Deacon Phillippe13 204 funkley SP Rube Marquard13 205 Kraft SP Doc White14 209 Larryboy SP John Smoltz14 210 Spartans SP Bret Saberhagen14 221 Capella SP David Cone15 228 Capella SP Bob Lemon15 229 Nipsey SP Frank Tanana15 233 Doug B SP Mickey Lolich15 234 bogart SP Denny McLain15 235 Koya SP Amos Rusie16 246 Koya SP Bucky Walters16 247 bogart SP Bob Welch16 248 Doug B SP Babe Adams16 249 Harrier SP Hippo Vaughn16 250 Pickles SP Carl Mays16 251 Sammy3469 SP Sam Leever16 254 lastresort SP John Tudor16 256 pumpnick SP Mike Scott17 257 pumpnick SP Johnny Antonelli17 259 lastresort SP Red Ruffing17 261 Nipsey SP Jimmy Key17 262 Sammy3469 SP Eppa Rixey17 263 Pickles SP Jerry Koosman17 267 Koya SP Mike Cuellar17 268 funkley SP Ed Ciccote17 272 Larryboy SP Satchel Paige18 273 Larryboy SP Tim Wakefield18 281 Harrier SP Slim Sallee18 284 Nipsey SP Dave Stieb18 285 Capella SP Dave McNally19 294 Sammy3469 SP Billy Pierce19 300 funkley SP Wilbur Wood19 301 Kraft SP Vic Willis20 308 Kraft SP Frank Viola20 313 Harrier SP Red Munger20 314 Pickles SP Urban Shocker20 315 Sammy3469 SP Bobby Shantz21 321 pumpnick SP Ray Kremer21 328 Harrier SP Ed Reulbach21 331 Koya SP Spud Chandler22 337 Larryboy SP Ted Lyons22 338 Spartans SP Noodles Hahn22 343 bogart SP Jake Weimer22 348 Nipsey SP Herb Pennock22 349 Capella SP Waite Hoyt23 360 Harrier SP Les Lancaster23 368 Larryboy SP John Clarkson24 373 funkley SP Camilo Pascual24 383 Spock SP Andy Messersmith25 387 lastresort SP Bob Veale

 

[Nipsey]

Forget it, don't skip me. I take JOSE RIJO. I hope he's still available.

Quick write-up:This is more a need pick than anything else, I need a power pitcher out of the pen who can strikeout some guys if need be.

His career was cut short because his arm turned to jelly, but in his prime the man could pitch.

 

[Koya]

Doug - much thanks! I didnt see any way Rube Waddell was still around, but couldnt find him on the big list. Now, I know.

 

[Kraft...]

Well, looks like the Lefty I was looking at is taken. Internal debate resolved. Thanks Doug

 

[Capella]

I'm ready to pick.

Is Jose Rijo available?

 

[Nipsey]

I'm ready to pick.

Is Jose Rijo available?

I think he is, yes.

 

[Sammy3469]

Forget it, don't skip me. I take JOSE RIJO. I hope he's still available.

Quick write-up:This is more a need pick than anything else, I need a power pitcher out of the pen who can strikeout some guys if need be.

His career was cut short because his arm turned to jelly, but in his prime the man could pitch.

:rotflmao:

 

[Funkley]

Oso - do your rankings take into account any "soft" measures other than Bill James' take - i.e. points for MVP, HoF, even All Star or Gold Gloves (although the later two and especially the last might not have much value). There are many players that were far greater than their numbers, and these may be a way to bring out the "intangibles" for such players.Again, just an idea/suggestion.

I like this idea...

Problem is is severely hurts the guys that played before those awards.

 

[Capella]

I'm ready to pick.

Is Jose Rijo available?

I think he is, yes.

great

 

[Capella]

After reading the last few pages I have some statements to make:1) Mr. Ham is Pantangele. 2) Nipsey is neither Mr. Ham nor Pantangele.3) Mr. Ham is smarter than Nipsey, but Nipsey is more clever than Mr. Ham.3) I can not talk bad about a restaurant that's about to pay me thousands and thousands of dollars for one day of work, but I don't eat there and probably never will.4) Capella's drawing was awesome.5) I can't get free stuff for the restaurant/product in the commercials. I've done a bunch of spots and never once have been offered any merch. I do occasionally get to keep the clothes from the spot (usually the shoes).6) Started up on a 6 when he pulled from the clouds, and then I moved in above him.7) GB Sharday.

1) 2) 3a) 3b) :gang: 4) 5) 6) :rotflmao: 7)

 

[Nipsey]

7) GB Sharday.

7)

I've "known" her for many years....

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Is Mike "Don't call me Michael" Myers still available?I hear he's an excellent slasher/lefty reliever.

 

[Kraft...]

7) GB Sharday.

I've "known" her for many years....

In a biblical sense?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

7) GB Sharday.

7)

I've "known" her for many years....

 

[Doug B]

Pickles, you're up.

 

[Nipsey]

7) GB Sharday.

7)

I've "known" her for many years....

I don't actually know her, I said I "know" her.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

7) GB Sharday.

7)

I've "known" her for many years....

I don't actually know her, I said I "know" her.

 

[Capella]

Is Mike "Don't call me Michael" Myers still available?I hear he's an excellent slasher/lefty reliever.

No, but you can still have your choice of Felix Heredia or Jesus Colome if you need a righty.

 

[Funkley]

Is Mike "Don't call me Michael" Myers still available?

I hear he's an excellent slasher/lefty reliever.

No, but you can still have your choice of Felix Heredia or Jesus Colome if you need a righty.

Oh...so now we're name dropping before Funkley's pick? Well thanks a ####### lot.Colome

 

[Kraft...]

25 385 pumpnick OF Ross Youngs

25 386 Spock RP Ron Perranoski

25 387 lastresort SP Bob Veale

25 388 Capella skip

25 389 Nipsey skip

25 390 Sammy P Jose Rijo

25 391 Pickles ON THE CLOCK

25 392 Harrier

25 393 Doug B

25 394 bogart

25 395 Koya

25 396 funkley

25 397 Kraft

25 398 UCONN

25 399 Spartans

25 400 Larryboy

.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Is Mike "Don't call me Michael" Myers still available?

I hear he's an excellent slasher/lefty reliever.

No, but you can still have your choice of Felix Heredia or Jesus Colome if you need a righty.

Oh...so now we're name dropping before Funkley's pick? Well thanks a ####### lot.Colome

Actually Felix is a lefty too. Maybe you were thinking of the great Gil Heredia?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I need a lefty arm badly..

Gary Lavelle

Pitched in the 70s-80s, primarily with the Giants. Some very solid seasons. 126 ERA+ isn't bad at all. Nothing flashy, just very good.

 

[Bogart]

Over/under set at 245 pages before we get Larry's last pick of the draft2 to 1 Larry's last pick is a mid level All-Star from 1998.

 

[Capella]

2 to 1 Larry's last pick is a mid level All-Star from 1998.

even money

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

2 to 1 Larry's last pick is a mid level All-Star from 1998.

even money

The tricky part is the "All Star" caveat.If you said mid level player from 1998, you'd be talking 2 to 3.

:rotflmao:

 

[Funkley]

Over/under set at 245 pages before we get Larry's last pick of the draft2 to 1 Larry's last pick is a mid level All-Star from 1998.

My guess: current member of the Phoenix Suns. Clearly a good enough athlete to be the 25man on an alltime MLB team.