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Loving this season so far. GoMadMax
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*****OFFICIAL FORMULA ONE GRAND PRIX THREAD***** (4 Viewers)
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PIK95
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BroncoFreak_2K3
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#GoMaxGo
Eephus
Footballguy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
linky only seems to say "MotoGP" at the moment but the F1 race won't be held in Australia in 2021 either.
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I think Mercedes threw in the towel a couple of weeks ago, on this season.
Red Bull have the better car, and Max is the better driver this season.
Ironically, the new rules in place to encourage more "parity" will result in Verstappen running away with the title - because both the cost-cap on all teams, and the inverse aero R&D cap based on standings will impact how Mercedes will approach the deficit in the car performance. Normally, I think you would expect to see Mercedes put everything towards improving this car, AND, designing next year. But, now, they don't have the cap room to put that kind of energy into this year's car.
So, Mercedes will tinker with this year's car, while being focused primarily on next year's design. And, absent a calamity at Red Bull, Max will run away with this year's title. Lewis' new 2-year contract suggests that he and Mercedes expect to be back competing next season (but Lewis will probably have a new teammate.)
It won't happen - but there would be a certain irony, if this ends up helping Mercedes...Saturday Sprint race
Eephus
Footballguy
Perez always was a placeholder until the next crop of Red Bull juniors is ready. There was a lull in the program for a few years where Albon was the best graduate. Tsunoda was rushed to F1; he's quick but error prone. I don't know if he'll survive Honda's exit from F1.
Checo is 31 years old which puts him in the upper quartile of current F1 drivers. He's been decent but is still getting dominated by Verstappen on Saturdays.
The three top Red Bull prospects in the feeder series now are New Zealander Liam Lawson, Juri Vips from Estonia and Norwegian Dennis Hauger. I'd expect to see at least one of them in a Red Bull/Alpha Tauri by 2023. Hauger would be my top pick but I'm usually wrong. 16 year old American Jak Crawford is also in Red Bull's junior system.
PIK95
Footballguy
That is good news for Red Bull on the prospects. You know how I like my prospects.
I am from the school of "if it's not broken, don't fix it." If Perez is fighting Hamilton most weeks and finishes third overall, you HAVE to bring him back imo. On a side note, what does the future hold in store for Lando Norris. He drove very confidently this week with things not going exactly his way.
Eephus
Footballguy
Norris is signed through 2023, same as Verstappen and Hamilton. Lewis will presumably retire but it could be an epic silly season.PIK95 said:That is good news for Red Bull on the prospects. You know how I like my prospects.
On a side note, what does the future hold in store for Lando Norris. He drove very confidently this week with things not going exactly his way.
McLaren shuttered their young driver program after Lando graduated to F1. They currently only have 13-year old American Ugo Ugochukwu on their books.
Red Bull, Ferrari and Alpine have the biggest, best funded driver academies.
BroncoFreak_2K3
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New F1 chariot for the 2022 season unveiled Thursday July 15
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Strategists predict that the racing will likely distil into a series of what within F1 are known as 'DRS trains'.Saturday Sprint race
These are clumps of cars, following each other closely, but no-one able to overtake because each has use of the DRS overtaking aid as they are within one second of each other, and the use of it on one car cancels out its effectiveness on another.
This is why, when asked about his expectations for the sprint qualifying, Lewis Hamilton said: "It will just be a train, probably. Hopefully there will be some overtaking, but most likely it won't be too exciting."
In essence, then, 'sprint qualifying' is effectively the first stint of a normal grand prix being run on Saturday, and overtaking and close racing is no more or less likely than it is in the main event itself.
Reducing the chances of varying pace between the cars even further, strategists say the likelihood is that the vast majority of teams will choose the same tyre for sprint qualifying - the medium compound, as it offers the best compromise between pace and durability for a non-stop race of this length.
On top of that, the drivers will be extra-wary of avoiding an incident, as any collision or bodywork damage will mean a start lower down the grid for the grand prix itself, when the main points are scored.
I think this sums up what I think will happen - nothing. It will be a dull affair at the top as the teams focus more on not screwing up, and less on overtaking. And, with no real strategy here, its probably just a procession of cars.
Eephus
Footballguy
The mockup looked better proportioned than the current cars but it's still pretty huge, especially the snowplow front wing.
The key aero questions around slipstreaming and dirty air can't will remain unanswered until the 2022 season opener.
Eephus
Footballguy
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
If you can beat ‘em, wreck ‘em
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Footballguy
Forget the races. I want to just watch an entire season of Toto and Horner #####ing at each other and whining to the FIA stewards.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I thought it was a fair penalty. It was more Lewis' fault than it was Max's. But I think Max might learn from this. When you are 33 points ahead in the Championship race, it's OK to back off on the odd corner. He is super aggressive, but pick your moments. Maybe he had gotten used to Lewis backing off?
culdeus
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
It was a little odd that it happened not even at the apex. This led to the run out being a bit short and him hitting the wall alot harder because of how they had it setup.
51G. That wreck is probably unsurvivable even 10 years ago. Right into the fans too. They probably #### bricks.
I can't say I am disappointed in the results. (I did not get the chance to watch anything from the weekend, but I have since seen the incident - I would simply say its an "aggressive" racing incident, and I am glad Max is ok.)
This should spice up the next few races, but, in the end I think it will be meaningless. Max, and Red Bull, have the better car - as evidenced by Max leading the championship despite two DNFs. I think Max comes back and stretches his lead again, and there won't be any more serious incidents between the two. But, if Max lets Lewis get in his head, then I think Max will be more prone to mistakes
This should spice up the next few races, but, in the end I think it will be meaningless. Max, and Red Bull, have the better car - as evidenced by Max leading the championship despite two DNFs. I think Max comes back and stretches his lead again, and there won't be any more serious incidents between the two. But, if Max lets Lewis get in his head, then I think Max will be more prone to mistakes
culdeus
Footballguy
E Street Brat
Footballguy
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Seems a little dramatic. Leclerc, who was behind the incident called it a “racing incident”.
It was aggressive by Hamilton- but Max did nothing to avoid contact there either, coming down across Hamilton. If racer safety is the primary concern here, Max could have backed off, or stayed wide. Decent chance that Lewis gets a 5-second penalty in that situation and Max goes on to win the race.
Max did not do anything wrong from a racing standpoint- but the decision to hold ground cost him the race. He had better options.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
PIK95
Footballguy
Lewis was behind him. They showed (as we waited on the bailout red flag) that Max pulled his wheel left to give Lewis room. He didnt know exactly where Lewis was either, as Lewis was behind him. Lewis could have even gone right a bit, and not hit his FRONT tire on Max's REAR tyre. And apex, blah blah. Total BS imo.
E Street Brat
Footballguy
Totally agree this in on Lewis, BUT. Max needs to be to be smarter also. Protecting his points lead rather than adding to it would have been a better decision in this case.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I'm a Lewis fan, and I think it was 75/25 Lewis's fault. If you freeze the loop at the point of contact and imagine that Lewis went spinning into the wall and Max's car was OK, do you think Max would have been penalized? At most 5 seconds but probably not at all.
But I do think the correct penalty was given to Lewis. 10 seconds is fair.
If they had touched tires and both cars would have come out unscathed, then I don't think any penalty would have been given.
Eephus
Footballguy
The stewards were consistent with past penalties. FIA regulations state penalties are based on the infraction; the consequences shouldn't factor in. The teams reportedly advocated for this measure.
PIK95
Footballguy
He probably couldn't see him. Not sure what more he could have done. He moved left a bit, but so did Lewis for some reason. Max was a half a length ahead. What possibly should he had done differently?
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PIK95
Footballguy
He doesn't think Hamilton was in the "right" just that in the context of a closely contested first lap, it was a racing incident. He acknowledged that Hamilton missed the apex, but not by much. Both drivers knew the importance of coming out of that corner with the lead, and neither ceded the position. Max knew Hamilton was there, and he expected Hamilton to back out - only Hamilton held his ground.British Journalist thinks British driver was in the right. SHOCKING!
Same thing that Leclerc said.
And, Palmer is a former driver, not simply a journalist, and in this case he was reporting for F1, not BBC, or Sky.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I'm going to need someone with a German accent to give his take?He doesn't think Hamilton was in the "right" just that in the context of a closely contested first lap, it was a racing incident. He acknowledged that Hamilton missed the apex, but not by much. Both drivers knew the importance of coming out of that corner with the lead, and neither ceded the position. Max knew Hamilton was there, and he expected Hamilton to back out - only Hamilton held his ground.
Same thing that Leclerc said.
And, Palmer is a former driver, not simply a journalist, and in this case he was reporting for F1, not BBC, or Sky.
Red Bull lost their appeal of Hamilton's penalty today - essentially they offered no new evidence for the stewards to review - just repackaged some data.
Red Bull have the better car- so they should just get on with it, as they have more to lose. But, I expect neither driver to yield in the corners at least in the near future.
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