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*****OFFICIAL FORMULA ONE GRAND PRIX THREAD***** (6 Viewers)

BobbyLayne said:
If they were going to box they needed to do it 5+ laps sooner so he had enough remaining laps to move up to podium. He was the fastest car on the track. 

Carlos toed the line post race ("we had nothing to lose staying out".) Must be so frustrating driving for a team that starts out in testing saying they're not competing for the WDC, and then repeats that's not the goal they set throughout the season. Why would you not adjust based on the results your are seeing? They've had the best pace all year.


Sainz wanted to stay out longer on the first set of mediums. That was the gist of the "box-not now" exchange.  Sainz was still faster than the hard tire runners before the second stop.  They would have fallen off before the finish regardless so the decision came down to when do you want to take your medicine. 

Sainz'  race was always going to be hard coming from the back but what really screwed him over was the timing of the safety car for Leclerc.  It gave the cars starting on mediums a free stop in the pit window which effectively made it a one stop race.  In retrospect, Carlos would have been better off starting on softs like everyone else but where the safety cars happen is crucial to an alternate strategy.

 
I rate Alex Palou very highly.  He's 25 which is old for a F1 debutante these days.  His stats in European ladder series weren't spectacular although he wasn't with top teams and he's since proven to very adaptable racing against men in Indycar and Japanese Super Formula.

Tire management is such a big part of modern F1 which may not be a good fit with Pato O'Ward's driving style.  Colton Herta is talented but has had too many moments of brain fade.  I'm also not sure if he's cut out for the PR demands of F1.

It'll still probably be Ricciardo next year though.
Chip Ganassi Racing sued Alex Palou on Monday in Indiana civil court fir breach of contract. McClaren is hands off, they thought they were signing a FA with a driver option for 2023. It’s a team option. No buyouts forthcoming.

Anyway…

KMag getting upgrades for Hungary, MSC has to wait bc of production issue. Or budgetary…either way they don’t have enough parts for both cars. I’m calling it now - Mick will get their first ever podium. Might take a repeat of the 2021 Hungarian lap 1 carnage.

Pirelli has chosen the tyres in the middle of the range for The Hungaroring: C2 as the P Zero White hard, C3 as the P Zero Yellow medium, C4 as the P Zero Red soft.

The narrow and twisty features of the track usually results in a Monaco style processional race. But with rain forecast this weekend, who knows.

 
Finally got around to watching Ron Howard’s Rush. It’s on Netflix. If you’re cool with editorial license (it’s entertainment not history), pretty decent film. Favorite cameos were elderly Niki at the end of the film, and catching a few glimpses of the 6-wheeled Tyrell P34 during race sequences.

 
Porsche is buying 50% of Red Bull's Technology Ltd. which includes their F1 team operations.  It's certainly a nice payout for Dieter Mateschitz.  I lack his wealth and business acumen but I'm still baffled by the sporting and apparently financial success of a race team owned by an energy drinks company.

Porsche gets three years to prepare for the new regulations and until then they can sell naming rights of the current PU back to Honda.

 
Porsche is buying 50% of Red Bull's Technology Ltd. which includes their F1 team operations.  It's certainly a nice payout for Dieter Mateschitz.  I lack his wealth and business acumen but I'm still baffled by the sporting and apparently financial success of a race team owned by an energy drinks company.

Porsche gets three years to prepare for the new regulations and until then they can sell naming rights of the current PU back to Honda.
Easier to buy an F1 team than start one from scratch.

@Eephus do you have any book recommendations about the history of F1?

 
Sebastian Vettel retiring at the end of the season. 

Sea Bass, wait


I love Seb, but I'm kinda glad to see him go. It was time. The kids need the grid spot, he's not providing consistent week-to-week entertainment for F1 fans like Fernando is doing, and this way the sport can give him a proper send-off and add a little something to what is shaping up to be a pretty dull back half of the season.

 
I love Seb, but I'm kinda glad to see him go. It was time. The kids need the grid spot, he's not providing consistent week-to-week entertainment for F1 fans like Fernando is doing, and this way the sport can give him a proper send-off and add a little something to what is shaping up to be a pretty dull back half of the season.
Agree, but sad to see this inevitable day came. Walking away on his own terms.

Thought this was coming bc two days ago his brother (who manages his social media) created an IG account and hinted yesterday a statement was forthcoming.

Not just a favorite driver but an endearing athlete, a well rounded human. 

53 Wins 3rd (Lewis & Schumacher) 

13 Win season (T1st) + 11 Wins (T3rd)

9 Consecutive Wins (1st)

57 Career Poles (4th)

15 (of 19) Season Poles (1st)

2nd All Time Career Points

2nd Youngest F1 GP Winner (Verstappen)

Youngest Pole Sitter

Youngest World Champion 

2013 (3rd most points ever) & 2011 (5th) among the best seasons of all time 

15 career wins he led every lap (3rd)

4 time World Driver Champion (2010-13)

ETA:

122 Podium finishes (3rd)

Shared the podium with Lewis Hamilton 56 times, the most in F1 history

 
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BobbyLayne said:
@Eephus do you have any book recommendations about the history of F1?


Most F1 books are either coffee table books with more pictures than text or hagiographies about individual drivers.  There was an official history published two years ago for the 70th anniversary but I haven't read it.

The Piranha Club is probably a bit dated now but I enjoyed it and learned some stuff.  It was ahead of its time (published 2001, revised 2010) in that it focused on team principals rather than drivers.

 
Seb's retirement puts Aston Martin back to square one.  Stroll isn't as terrible as his critics say but after 112 GPs, he is what he is:  a competent mid-packer at best.  He's not the guy who's going to carry a team to the front.  Vettel used to be that guy but he couldn't do it with the green team.

Seb put in a good word for Young Mick but he's more like Stroll than Young Seb.  Hulkenberg is another Old Seb.  A F1 rookie like de Vries, Piastri or Felipe Drugovich puts Aston Martin back to the start of the learning curve.  That's probably what they should do but it's more likely that the team will try for someone with F1 experience like Schumacher who can also bring his 1&1 sponsorship.

Ricciardo taking a settlement from McLaren and signing a multiyear deal with AM checks the most boxes on the silly season bingo card but it seems almost too perfect to be true.

 
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Contracts expiring this year:

Alpine: ALO (negotiating during summer break)

Alfa Romeo: ZHO 

Haas: MSC

AlphaTauri: GAS, TSU

Aston Martin: VET (retiring)

Williams: ALB (on loan RB), LAT

Of the other 12 drivers on the grid, 10 are locked into their team through at least 2024. Only HAM & RIC are expiring after 2023.

 
Gasly has already been extended with Alpha Tauri for 2023.

Technically Stroll is on an expiring contract too but he's a made man


Thanks, didn't know about Gasly's extension. 3 DNFs, out of the points 9 of 12 races, and tied for the lead on the grid with 7 penalty points. I guess you can point to outdriving the short guy.

Stroll is presumably on a lifetime contract as long as Lawrence is signing the checks. 18th on the grid and job security is a heck of a combo.

 
Gasly has already been extended with Alpha Tauri for 2023.

Technically Stroll is on an expiring contract too but he's a made man


Would be curious to see your list of possible candidates for open 2023 seats.  I know about Piastri and the two most prominent American candidates, but that's about it.

 
SAI
VER
LEC

in FP1

Not sure what we’ll learn from today as FP2 will also be hot and dry. FP3 and Qualifying will be on wets as they’re expecting a deluge.

Even numbers on the grid are the racing line and will offer a better start than pole/odd numbers.

Merc bring minor changes, Aston Martin and 1/2 Haas (KMag) have major upgrades  for Round 13.

 
NOR & Danny RIC flying (P2/P5)

freaking W13 wheelbarrows got no pace (P8/P11)

ALO and VET P6/P7

FER LEC
MCL NOR
FER SAI   
RB VER  
MCL RIC

ALP ALO
AM VER
MER RUS
RB PER
AR BOT

MER HAM

Virtually no changes the last minutes

VET with a new aero package

HAM ditched his flying lap on the softs to pit

All rather meaningless as FP3/Qual will be running in a downpour

 
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Would be curious to see your list of possible candidates for open 2023 seats.  I know about Piastri and the two most prominent American candidates, but that's about it.


Oscar Piastri (Alpine junior) - Almost certain to be in F1 in 2023.  Possible loan to Williams or stays at Alpine if Alonso doesn't re-sign

Nyck de Vries (Mercedes test driver) -2019 F2 and 2021 Formula E champ.  Vettel's retirement may be a lifeline to his F1 hopes.

Felipe Drugovich (Unaffiliated with any F1 program) - Currently holds big lead in F2 championship.  Potentially brings Brazilian sponsorship money although his family is paying for his F2 ride.  Maybe to Haas if Young Mick moves to Aston Martin.

Logan Sargeant (Williams junior) - Currently third in F2.  Possibility he'll replace Latifi but I think he'll be back in F2 next year.

I'd be surprised if someone other than these four gets a 2023 ride.  I guess there's a pathway for Alex Palou if Ricciardo isn't in the McLaren seat.  Palou already has enough superlicense points and has a 2023 contract with McLaren (and Ganassi as well).   Theo Pourchaire is affiliated with Alfa Romeo and is second in F2 but I think Zhou has done enough to keep his spot and he is well funded as well.

 
Brilliant final lap by George Russell first career pole!

Ferrari has had the pace all w/e

SAI P2 / LEC P3

NOR P4

Alpine lockout Row 3 (OCO/ALO)

Merc Reunion Row 4 (HAM/BOT)

(no DRS for Lewis Q3)

RBR Reunion Row 5 (RIC/VER)

 
What a nutty qualifier! Happy for George
 

You knew with this track Ferrari would be fast and we’d see the strides Mercedes has been making.  Should make for a fun race.

…also, after RedBulls issues perhaps I’m wrong about Ferrari and the constructors. 

 
….. I guess there's a pathway for Alex Palou if Ricciardo isn't in the McLaren seat.  Palou already has enough superlicense points and has a 2023 contract with McLaren (and Ganassi as well).   
This contract thing with Palou is bizarre. I’ve come to like Palou during his time in Indycar but I think he could have handled this situation in a better way and I question his character a little bit now. 

 
More Ferrari strategic ineptitude.  They had the pace… 

Calls for Mattia Binotti to lose his job will grow to deafening levels. 


Virtuoso performance by Ferrari today.  They topped themselves.  Truly.

-QG
Max, George and Lewis in the cooldown room watching Ferrari on the replay:

“They were on the hards?”

  :excited:   :lol:   :lmao:

Tremendous job in terms of originality. Every round they come up with a new way to screw up strategy.

Don’t only feel bad for LEC & SAI. The team built the fastest car on the grid.  
 

🙂

 
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Oscar Piastri (Alpine junior) - Almost certain to be in F1 in 2023.  Possible loan to Williams or stays at Alpine if Alonso doesn't re-sign

Nyck de Vries (Mercedes test driver) -2019 F2 and 2021 Formula E champ.  Vettel's retirement may be a lifeline to his F1 hopes.

Felipe Drugovich (Unaffiliated with any F1 program) - Currently holds big lead in F2 championship.  Potentially brings Brazilian sponsorship money although his family is paying for his F2 ride.  Maybe to Haas if Young Mick moves to Aston Martin.

Logan Sargeant (Williams junior) - Currently third in F2.  Possibility he'll replace Latifi but I think he'll be back in F2 next year.

I'd be surprised if someone other than these four gets a 2023 ride.  I guess there's a pathway for Alex Palou if Ricciardo isn't in the McLaren seat.  Palou already has enough superlicense points and has a 2023 contract with McLaren (and Ganassi as well).   Theo Pourchaire is affiliated with Alfa Romeo and is second in F2 but I think Zhou has done enough to keep his spot and he is well funded as well.


Great stuff, thanks man.

F1 tweeted out an updated 2023 grid this AM with the news of Alonso to Aston Martin. Seems safe to assume that means Ocon/Piastri for Alpine next season, and I have to imagine Zhou comes back like you said, he's been as good as you could reasonably expect. 

Also seems safe to assume Albon returns somewhere, presumably Williams, and I guess same deal for Mick/Haas? That leaves the Tsunoda seat and the Latifi seat.

 


Great stuff, thanks man.

F1 tweeted out an updated 2023 grid this AM with the news of Alonso to Aston Martin. Seems safe to assume that means Ocon/Piastri for Alpine next season, and I have to imagine Zhou comes back like you said, he's been as good as you could reasonably expect.

Also seems safe to assume Albon returns somewhere, presumably Williams, and I guess same deal for Mick/Haas? That leaves the Tsunoda seat and the Latifi seat.

Hmm, perhaps not.
 
It's very bad timing for Alpine to have a vacancy. None of the drivers in the junior program are F1 ready now. If Alonso had left last year, Alpine had Piastri, Zhou and Christian Lungaard (who's been impressive in Indycar this year) on the bench. Piastri's countryman Jack Doohan is probably their best candidate at the moment but he's had a mediocre campaign in F2. The team seriously overplayed their hand. They tried to keep everyone and are now left with an empty seat. Alpine may get a settlement out of Piastri but he'll never drive for them now.

You really can't blame Piastri for looking elsewhere. It's one thing to sideline a hot prospect for a season of testing but to leave him hanging another year with a loan to the worst team on the grid is terrible career management from the team's side. McLaren is a lateral move from Alpine but a big step up from being Williams #2. Piastri and his management obviously have more information about the compensation packages and he's experienced the state of the Alpine organization first hand for a couple of years so he's in a better position to tell if McLaren is an upgrade. It's stilll kind of a risky move regardless of the outcome of the Ricciardo saga. It's Lando's team and he's already ruined the career of a multiple race winner. The onus is on McLaren to put together a championship contending car to reverse the step backwards they made this year.
 

Pretty soon the middle class is going to be priced out of tickets for sporting events and concerts as a whole. With all the streaming services needed and the outrageous ticket prices to some not sure how someone can afford to watch sports. What was once a fun sometimes stressful hobby has become a very expensive interest.
 
The circus resumes this weekend after its summer break at Spa Francorchamps in Belgium. Hopefully they'll get a green flag lap in after last year's debacle. Spa is a classic circuit but it doesn't usually produce good races with modern F1 cars. It should be well suited to Red Bull but hopefully some new upgrades from other teams will shuffle the grid a bit.

The big news today is the widely rumored Audi takeover of Sauber is supposedly set to be announced this weekend. According to reports in the European press, the German carmaker will buy a controlling stake in the team and be the PU supplier when the new regulations begin in 2026. The team will keep its base in Hinwil, Switzerland. The cars will still be badged as Alfa Romeo at least through next year.
 

Pretty soon the middle class is going to be priced out of tickets for sporting events and concerts as a whole. With all the streaming services needed and the outrageous ticket prices to some not sure how someone can afford to watch sports. What was once a fun sometimes stressful hobby has become a very expensive interest.

F1 has always been for the rich and the aspiring rich.
 
Antonio Giovinazzi getting practice sessions from Haas at the Italian and US Grand Prix's, hopefully for Mick's sake they aren't stellar. Tests said to be at request of Ferrari.
 
Giovinazzi had three full seasons in F1 to show something and he didn't. He's coming off a lost 2022 at the back of the Formula E field and will be 29 by the start of next season. Gio does offer Haas an experienced set of hands for data collection and benchmarking in his FP1 sessions. I think his next step will be to sports cars in the Ferrari LMH Hypercar.
 
The circus resumes this weekend after its summer break at Spa Francorchamps in Belgium. Hopefully they'll get a green flag lap in after last year's debacle. Spa is a classic circuit but it doesn't usually produce good races with modern F1 cars. It should be well suited to Red Bull but hopefully some new upgrades from other teams will shuffle the grid a bit.

Don’t disagree but the Eau Rouge and Raidillon complex followed by the Kemmel straight is probably my favorite stretch on any track. Can’t wait to see the changes - more run off areas / gravel traps for safety - though the insane 18% downhill gradient remains - and they put a new grandstand next to Raidillon.

Several corners have seen slight changes. Spent around $80M USD in total, including bunch of new corporate tents. it seems like entire grid is a bit shocked they won’t be returning in 2022. Right now I think it hinges on whether they can finalize plans to return to Kyalami, in which case they’ll be at the max 24 GP races.

Can’t believe with all the awful parking lot and street circuits now on the calendar they can’t find room for Spa.
 
Ricciardo officially out at McLaren for 2023. The team is reportedly buying out his contract in full. It'll be interesting to see where he lands next.
 
Grid penalties on the way in Belgium. Verstappen and Leclerc are expected to start from the rear on Sunday. Verstappen not only new engine, but also gearbox.
 
Formula 1: Mick Schumacher hot candidate at Alpine - Sky Info | Formula 1 News

Sky Info: Mick is on the shortlist for this team

Peer Kuni/SID

25.08.2022 | 17:37 Uhr

According to Sky, Haas driver Mick Schumacher is on Alpine's shortlist. Sky pundit Timo Glock advises the German racing driver to make a move should he get that opportunity at Alpine.

Mick Schumacher is still without a contract for the coming season. According to Sky information, however, the 23-year-old is on the list of a factory team and is on the shortlist there.

Schumacher is said to be a candidate to succeed Fernando Alonso at Alpine. Sky has received this information from the French works team.

Sky pundit Timo Glock advises Schumacher to make a move should the Haas driver get the chance. "If he can make a jump, to a team like Alpine, then of course that would be ideal for him to take the next step," Glock said.

No decision made yet

However, a decision has not yet been made. After Alonso's departure, Alpine originally wanted to have young talent Oscar Piastri drive alongside Esteban Ocon in 2023. However, the Australian made it clear on social media that he would not drive for Alpine.

Schumacher himself, whose contract with Haas expires at the end of the season, made headlines recently by suddenly following Alpine CEO Laurent Rossi on Instagram. However, Schumacher refused to be drawn on the contract poker himself. "I think a lot of people have only focused on this one follow. But I follow every one of the team bosses in Formula 1 who have an account," the German driver explained on the Sky microphone.

Steiner with a lot of sarcasm

That includes Haas team boss Günther Steiner - even if the Tyrolean is not too active on social media. Steiner himself met questions about Schumacher's future with sarcasm. "Everyone assumes that Mick won't be here next year," he said. At the same time, he said, he was said to be interested in so many other drivers that Haas would soon need "a second team". However, Steiner admitted that he was "of course" watching the driver market. This was "my job".

Ferrari, which supplies Haas with engines among other things, has no say in the cockpit line-up for 2023, Steiner said. Speculation had recently arisen because Haas is giving Italian Antonio Giovinazzi, who like Schumacher went through the Ferrari academy, stints in two training sessions this season. Schumacher's team-mate Kevin Magnussen (Denmark) has a contract with Haas for next year.
 
Norris, Ocon, Bottas and Schumacher look to be taking engine-related grid drops for Sunday's race (along with Max and Charles.)

Bottas sits out all but two laps of abbreviated FP1 due to more gremlins, similar for Ochon, K-Mag caused the session to be red flagged bc battery/electrical issues. SAI-LEC-VER fastest, HAM…we are checking…9th. All continuing themes of the 2022 season.
 

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