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Official Great Works Draft (2 Viewers)

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26.06 - A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man - James Joyce - Novel

I'm pretty sure this hasn't been picked yet, but if it has, just skip me and I'll be able to make it up later. Assuming I get it, I think this is really good value. There have been some Joyce detractors, but in the 26th round I think it's hard to argue. The dashes instead of quotation marks thing is kind of annoying at first, but you get used to it.

A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man is a semi-autobiographical novel by James Joyce, first serialized in The Egoist from 1914 to 1915 and published in book form in 1916. It depicts the formative years in the life of Stephen Dedalus, a fictional alter ego of Joyce and a pointed allusion to the consummate craftsman of Greek mythology, Daedalus.

A Portrait is a key example of the Künstlerroman (an artist's Bildungsroman) in English literature. Joyce's novel traces the intellectual and religio-philosophical awakening of young Stephen Dedalus as he begins to question and rebel against the Catholic and Irish conventions he has been brought up in. He finally leaves for Paris to pursue his calling as an artist. The work pioneers some of Joyce's modernist techniques that would later come to fruition in Ulysses and Finnegans Wake. The Modern Library ranked Portrait as the third greatest English-language novel of the twentieth century.[1]

Portrait is a complete rewrite of his earlier attempt at the story, Stephen Hero, with which he grew frustrated in 1905. Large portions of Stephen Hero found their way, sometimes nearly unchanged, into Portrait, but the tone was changed considerably in order to focus more exclusively on the perspective of Stephen Dedalus. For instance, several of his siblings made prominent appearances in the earlier novel, but are almost completely absent in Portrait. The incomplete first draft of Stephen Hero was published posthumously in 1944.

Stylistically, the novel is written as a third-person narrative with minimal dialogue, though towards the very end of the book dialogue-intensive scenes involving Dedalus and some of his friends, in which Dedalus posits his complex, Thomist aesthetic theory, and finally journal entries by Stephen, are introduced. Since the work covers Stephen's life from the time he was a child to his growing independence and ultimate abandoning of Ireland as a young man, the style of the work progresses through each of its five chapters, with the complexity of language gradually increasing. The book's opening pages have famous examples of Stephen's thoughts and conscious experience when he is a child. Throughout the work, language and prose are used to portray indirectly the state of mind of the protagonist, and the subjective impact of the events of his life. Hence the fungible length of some scenes and chapters, where Joyce's intent was to capture the subjective experience through language, rather than to present the actual experience through prose narrative. The writing style is also notable for Joyce's omission of quotation marks; instead he replaced them with dashes.
 
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24.16 - Doug B (autoskip tonight)

25.05 - Doug B (autoskip)

25.08 - Tides of War (autoskip today)

25.11 - El Floppo (autoskip today)

25.19 - Tirnan (autoskip if not here in first 5)

26.02 - Tirnan (autoskip if not here in first 5)

26.07 - MisfitBlondes - OTC until :51

26.08 - Uncle Humuna - On Deck

26.09 - Team CIA (autoskip)

26.10 - El Floppo (autoskip today)

26.11 - Thatguy - In the Hole

26.12 - Wikkidpissah

26.13 - Tides of War (autoskip today)

26.14 - BobbyLayne/Flysack

26.15 - Abrantes

26.16 - Doug B (autoskip today)

26.17 - Timscochet

26.18 - Postradamus (autoskip if not here in first 15)

26.19 - Rodg

26.20 - Krista

 
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Bonzai - Love the pick. However, the write up needs a little work. Throw in a few references to how fortunate we are it was still on the board and how we nearly snagged it 5 rounds ago. Follow that up with some high dollar value phrases like genre defining, paradigm shifting, or epoch changing. Finish it off with a little ### slapping and comment on how we are distinguishing ourselves a little more each roind. Throw in a smattering of "nice picks" to keep the others encouraged. You'll get the hang of in a couple of rounds.

 
Bonzai - Love the pick. However, the write up needs a little work. Throw in a few references to how fortunate we are it was still on the board and how we nearly snagged it 5 rounds ago. Follow that up with some high dollar value phrases like genre defining, paradigm shifting, or epoch changing. Finish it off with a little ### slapping and comment on how we are distinguishing ourselves a little more each roind. Throw in a smattering of "nice picks" to keep the others encouraged. You'll get the hang of in a couple of rounds.
:kicksrock:
 
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26.06 - A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man - James Joyce - Novel

I'm pretty sure this hasn't been picked yet, but if it has, just skip me and I'll be able to make it up later. Assuming I get it, I think this is really good value. There have been some Joyce detractors, but in the 26th round I think it's hard to argue. The dashes instead of quotation marks thing is kind of annoying at first, but you get used to it.

A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man is a semi-autobiographical novel by James Joyce, first serialized in The Egoist from 1914 to 1915 and published in book form in 1916. It depicts the formative years in the life of Stephen Dedalus, a fictional alter ego of Joyce and a pointed allusion to the consummate craftsman of Greek mythology, Daedalus.

A Portrait is a key example of the Künstlerroman (an artist's Bildungsroman) in English literature. Joyce's novel traces the intellectual and religio-philosophical awakening of young Stephen Dedalus as he begins to question and rebel against the Catholic and Irish conventions he has been brought up in. He finally leaves for Paris to pursue his calling as an artist. The work pioneers some of Joyce's modernist techniques that would later come to fruition in Ulysses and Finnegans Wake. The Modern Library ranked Portrait as the third greatest English-language novel of the twentieth century.[1]

Portrait is a complete rewrite of his earlier attempt at the story, Stephen Hero, with which he grew frustrated in 1905. Large portions of Stephen Hero found their way, sometimes nearly unchanged, into Portrait, but the tone was changed considerably in order to focus more exclusively on the perspective of Stephen Dedalus. For instance, several of his siblings made prominent appearances in the earlier novel, but are almost completely absent in Portrait. The incomplete first draft of Stephen Hero was published posthumously in 1944.

Stylistically, the novel is written as a third-person narrative with minimal dialogue, though towards the very end of the book dialogue-intensive scenes involving Dedalus and some of his friends, in which Dedalus posits his complex, Thomist aesthetic theory, and finally journal entries by Stephen, are introduced. Since the work covers Stephen's life from the time he was a child to his growing independence and ultimate abandoning of Ireland as a young man, the style of the work progresses through each of its five chapters, with the complexity of language gradually increasing. The book's opening pages have famous examples of Stephen's thoughts and conscious experience when he is a child. Throughout the work, language and prose are used to portray indirectly the state of mind of the protagonist, and the subjective impact of the events of his life. Hence the fungible length of some scenes and chapters, where Joyce's intent was to capture the subjective experience through language, rather than to present the actual experience through prose narrative. The writing style is also notable for Joyce's omission of quotation marks; instead he replaced them with dashes.
Nice pick. Have considered this for several rounds but with so many great novels out there, just haven't been able to pull the trigger.
 
krista4 said:
sinatravolta said:
To me the greatest movies are both artistic achievements and entertaining, so while for example Citizen Kane was groundbreaking in so many ways - it's not something I'd be happy watching repeatedly like many of the others (note I still think Kane deserves a very high ranking). To me the only sure 20's on the list here are The Godfather and Casablanca - which I think fit my view perfectly. The other 2 movies I would give 20 points to haven't been taken yet.
:confused: Will be eager to see what they are!
As a vague hint - both are on the AFI list of top 100 movies (within the top 50 but not the top 10) - and one not very famous actress plays an important supporting role in both of them. I think after Godfather and Casablanca it gets a lot harder to pick. As judge it will be a challenge to mix what you flat out think is best with groundbreaking/innovation, iconic nature, conventional critical faves. Gone with the Wind for example doesn't do a lot for me personally, but it's an iconic film so that's got to count for something. At a lower level, Rocky I think is also kind of like this - there are other sports movies I like better, and at least one film from the same year I would rank higher - but Rocky is an icon. Out of the foreign films I might go for Seven Samurai - in part as a nod to all the other great Kurosawa films that he deserves it.
 
Symphony No. 9 – Gustav Mahler
Wow, great pick. You guys are really distinguishing yourselves a little more each round. I would have thought you would have taken that aa few rounds ago. That symphony really was a paradigm shift.Now, someone slap my ###.

 
1/2 of Team Fennis votes in favor.
I'll count you in this one for now, although there is still an open vote that bans your team from my polls. Untill that poll is closed, I will allow team fennista continue to be counted in new polls.18 1/2 more votes needed.
 
Bonzai - Love the pick. However, the write up needs a little work. Throw in a few references to how fortunate we are it was still on the board and how we nearly snagged it 5 rounds ago. Follow that up with some high dollar value phrases like genre defining, paradigm shifting, or epoch changing. Finish it off with a little ### slapping and comment on how we are distinguishing ourselves a little more each roind. Throw in a smattering of "nice picks" to keep the others encouraged. You'll get the hang of in a couple of rounds.
:loco:
:lmao:
 
25.11 Movie, The Rules of the Game- Jean Renoir (1939)

Like my Our Town pick, I can't say this one of my favorites, but similar to Citizen Kane- yes, and I'm not alone in putting it in that category- I can't help but admire it on a variety of levels:

*** I'll be back to continue this ****

From Wikipedia:

The Rules of the Game (original French title: La Règle du jeu, "the rule of the game") is a 1939 film directed by Jean Renoir about upper-class French society just before the start of World War II. Renoir's film is in part an adaptation of Alfred de Musset's Les Caprices de Marianne, a popular 19th-century comedy of manners; Renoir takes the film far beyond the pleasantries of a typical comedy of manners, creating instead a biting and tragic satire that captured the frenetic emotions of France on the cusp of World War II.

The Rules of the Game is often cited as one of the greatest films in the history of cinema. A poll of critics from the British Film Institute ranked The Rules of the Game as the third greatest film ever, placing behind Citizen Kane and Vertigo.[1]
 
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26.06 - A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man - James Joyce - Novel

I'm pretty sure this hasn't been picked yet, but if it has, just skip me and I'll be able to make it up later. Assuming I get it, I think this is really good value. There have been some Joyce detractors, but in the 26th round I think it's hard to argue. The dashes instead of quotation marks thing is kind of annoying at first, but you get used to it.

A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man is a semi-autobiographical novel by James Joyce, first serialized in The Egoist from 1914 to 1915 and published in book form in 1916. It depicts the formative years in the life of Stephen Dedalus, a fictional alter ego of Joyce and a pointed allusion to the consummate craftsman of Greek mythology, Daedalus.

A Portrait is a key example of the Künstlerroman (an artist's Bildungsroman) in English literature. Joyce's novel traces the intellectual and religio-philosophical awakening of young Stephen Dedalus as he begins to question and rebel against the Catholic and Irish conventions he has been brought up in. He finally leaves for Paris to pursue his calling as an artist. The work pioneers some of Joyce's modernist techniques that would later come to fruition in Ulysses and Finnegans Wake. The Modern Library ranked Portrait as the third greatest English-language novel of the twentieth century.[1]

Portrait is a complete rewrite of his earlier attempt at the story, Stephen Hero, with which he grew frustrated in 1905. Large portions of Stephen Hero found their way, sometimes nearly unchanged, into Portrait, but the tone was changed considerably in order to focus more exclusively on the perspective of Stephen Dedalus. For instance, several of his siblings made prominent appearances in the earlier novel, but are almost completely absent in Portrait. The incomplete first draft of Stephen Hero was published posthumously in 1944.

Stylistically, the novel is written as a third-person narrative with minimal dialogue, though towards the very end of the book dialogue-intensive scenes involving Dedalus and some of his friends, in which Dedalus posits his complex, Thomist aesthetic theory, and finally journal entries by Stephen, are introduced. Since the work covers Stephen's life from the time he was a child to his growing independence and ultimate abandoning of Ireland as a young man, the style of the work progresses through each of its five chapters, with the complexity of language gradually increasing. The book's opening pages have famous examples of Stephen's thoughts and conscious experience when he is a child. Throughout the work, language and prose are used to portray indirectly the state of mind of the protagonist, and the subjective impact of the events of his life. Hence the fungible length of some scenes and chapters, where Joyce's intent was to capture the subjective experience through language, rather than to present the actual experience through prose narrative. The writing style is also notable for Joyce's omission of quotation marks; instead he replaced them with dashes.
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25.11 Movie, The Rules of the Game- Jean Renoir (1939)
:excited: Tremendous pick. Renoir really doesn't get as much love as he should. Sharp, funny, brilliantly shot. Don't be afraid of the black & white, peeps. This is great stuff.Deserves a write-up. :banned:

 
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ok... There are a great many plays out there that I prefer, but nothing's jumping to mind as sitting in the objectively "Great" category as much as this, the quintessential look at American life. Posting now, more writeup to follow.

26.10 Play, Our Town- Thornton Wilder

 
Prometheus Bound is another classic. So many of these plays deserve high ranking. My task, like so many of the other judges, grows ever more difficult.
 
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24.16 - Doug B (autoskip tonight)

25.05 - Doug B (autoskip)

25.08 - Tides of War (autoskip today)

25.19 - Tirnan (autoskip if not here in first 5)

26.02 - Tirnan (autoskip if not here in first 5)

26.09 - Team CIA (autoskip)

26.11 - Thatguy - OTC until :24

26.12 - Wikkidpissah - On Deck

26.13 - Tides of War (autoskip today)

26.14 - BobbyLayne/Flysack - In The Hole

26.15 - Abrantes

26.16 - Doug B (autoskip today)

26.17 - Timscochet

26.18 - Postradamus (autoskip if not here in first 15)

26.19 - Rodg

26.20 - Krista

 
25.11 Movie, The Rules of the Game- Jean Renoir (1939)
:nerd: Tremendous pick. Renoir really doesn't get as much love as he should. Sharp, funny, brilliantly shot. Don't be afraid of the black & white, peeps. This is great stuff.Deserves a write-up. :bs:
Getting there... wanted to drop it first.Thanks for affirmation... :nerd:

was looking at 4 other films here- actually wasn't even looking at this since I assumed it was taken long ago. Now I'm forced to kind of change the thematic plan I had for the movie category... hadn't planned on including a study in manners and am wondering what I'm going to have to nix (if any of them last long enough for me to nix)

 
25.04--The Battle of Algiers--Movie

La battaglia di Algeri is an Italian film, produced in 1966 that tells of an important battle in the Algerian War of Independence from France. This 8 year was was a bloddy affair, bitterly fought by both sides. It featured torture (a lot more torture than waterboarding) and atrocities by both sides against the civilin population. The loss of Algeria as a French Department, ultimately lead to the fall of a French government and the establishment of the 5th Republic and the presidency of Charles de Gualle.

The Battle of Algiers was made in a manner similar to Italian neorealism, French cinéma vérité and Soviet socialist realism, cinematic movements that aspired to create realistic depictions of the lives of ordinary people. The film has been hailed for its stunning realism, especially in its scenes of Algerian city life and large-scale public protest and rioting.[citation needed] The handling of the crowd scenes is masterly, capturing the raw passion of the actual events. This reflects the influence of newsreel footage upon Pontecorvo's style, already evident in his Academy Award-nominated film Kapò (1959) which established his reputation. For Battle of Algiers, Pontecorvo and cinematographer Marcello Gatti filmed in black and white and experimented with various techniques to give the film the look of newsreel and documentary film. The effect was convincing enough that American reels carried a disclaimer that "not one foot" of newsreel was used.[5]

Aiding the sense of realism, Pontecorvo and Solinas spent two years in Algiers scouting locations, especially those areas where the events to be depicted in the film took place.[citation needed] With Saadi Yacef as a guide, he learned about the culture and customs of the residents. Pontecorvo chose to cast from the non-professional Algerian Arabs or Kabyles he met, picking them mainly on appearance and emotional effect (as a consequence, many of their lines were dubbed).[6] The sole professional actor in the film was Jean Martin who played Col. Mathieu; Martin was a French actor who had worked primarily in theatre. Ironically, Martin subsequently lost several jobs because he condemned his government's actions in Algeria. Martin had also served in a paratroop regiment during the Indochina War as well as the French Resistance, thus giving his character an autobiographical element.
Hadn't planned on taking this one- but it's an absolute gem... makes you feel like you're running around in black/white through those tiny streets. Just read the above and had NO idea "not one foot" of newsreel was used- always assumed it was.
 
MisfitBlondes said:
26.07 Carmina Burana - Composition
this will prolly end up highest on my list of compositions picked because of the catchiness of its most popular phrase/tune. the whole thing is a bunch of medieval poems on the ways of God, love & sin put to music. i'm not getting anything done today so i'm gonna tell you why i like it, which involves pimpin some of my work of which i'm most proud *slaps ###*, so i feel better about not being to get anything done..for the better part of a decade, i've been working on a play (called "Tartarus" - for the blackest region of hell in Greek mythology - in case one should lose track of wikkid but then see the title in future) involving the circumstances which precipitated the waking dream from which the 17 yo Mary Shelley came up with the story of Frankenstein. She, her husband Percy, Lord Byron & Mary's stepsister (pregnant with Byron's child) were vacationing on Lake Geneva and, forced inside by bad weather, decide to hold a ghost-story telling contest. Byron's story, later expanded by his valet, was what the other most-enduring horror-figure story was based upon & Mary's was, of course, Frankenstein. Shelley's story was never written down & very few anecdotal fragments were ever revealed, which gave wikkid an opportunity to make one up on his behalf. since, at the time, Byron was the most famous writer on the planet & Shelley had by then received little recognition, i decided to make the story that of a poet who makes a deal with the devil to write the perfect ode. Goethe's Faust had been newly released then, so it was current. anyways, the devil, needing to make a sale, decides that the sensitive nature of the poet would require him to show what he'd be in for once condemned to hell (see, he knew most poets were already down there). so they drop thru the jet nether across the many mythological regions of Hades & thru Dante's circles. the devil then leaves him at the immense gates of downtown hell & disappears. after wondering, like Dorothy, if this is as far as he'll get, the doors, which reach past the smoky clouds above it, begin to creak open, revealing an immense fire and cliffs where the condemned become lit with flames of woe & fall off, over & over. in the center, though, is an immense dome of blue ice, groaning as if there's cracking & avalanches going on but, visually, remaining pristine. you see, the Shelleys had just visited Mont Blanc - prolly, next to Everest, the most ominous mountain to scale, with a lot of the fore-described features. the groans morph into the devil's voice, whereupon he proclaims his majesty ("As on earth I will not cool, here I do not melt") and annoounces that, since he's already got the poet down here, he might as well keep him. it's prolly the writing of which i'm most proud.

and that's where Carmina Burana comes in. i use music A LOT to set the mood for what i'm writing. I went out and bought the many musical pieces (by Gounod, Liszt, Berlioz, Schubert) based on the Faust story, but none of em worked for me. i kept returning to Carmina Burana cuz, not only is "La Fortuna" the perfect Gates of Hell music, but all the songs which follow became the tales of woe of all the people b4 them got lit up & pushed off the cliffs again. cool stuff. OK, ### slapped, back to your regular programs. nufced

 
MisfitBlondes said:
26.07 Carmina Burana - Composition
this will prolly end up highest on my list of compositions picked because of the catchiness of its most popular phrase/tune. the whole thing is a bunch of medieval poems on the ways of God, love & sin put to music. i'm not getting anything done today so i'm gonna tell you why i like it, which involves pimpin some of my work of which i'm most proud *slaps ###*, so i feel better about not being to get anything done..for the better part of a decade, i've been working on a play (called "Tartarus" - for the blackest region of hell in Greek mythology - in case one should lose track of wikkid but then see the title in future) involving the circumstances which precipitated the waking dream from which the 17 yo Mary Shelley came up with the story of Frankenstein. She, her husband Percy, Lord Byron & Mary's stepsister (pregnant with Byron's child) were vacationing on Lake Geneva and, forced inside by bad weather, decide to hold a ghost-story telling contest. Byron's story, later expanded by his valet, was what the other most-enduring horror-figure story was based upon & Mary's was, of course, Frankenstein. Shelley's story was never written down & very few anecdotal fragments were ever revealed, which gave wikkid an opportunity to make one up on his behalf. since, at the time, Byron was the most famous writer on the planet & Shelley had by then received little recognition, i decided to make the story that of a poet who makes a deal with the devil to write the perfect ode. Goethe's Faust had been newly released then, so it was current. anyways, the devil, needing to make a sale, decides that the sensitive nature of the poet would require him to show what he'd be in for once condemned to hell (see, he knew most poets were already down there). so they drop thru the jet nether across the many mythological regions of Hades & thru Dante's circles. the devil then leaves him at the immense gates of downtown hell & disappears. after wondering, like Dorothy, if this is as far as he'll get, the doors, which reach past the smoky clouds above it, begin to creak open, revealing an immense fire and cliffs where the condemned become lit with flames of woe & fall off, over & over. in the center, though, is an immense dome of blue ice, groaning as if there's cracking & avalanches going on but, visually, remaining pristine. you see, the Shelleys had just visited Mont Blanc - prolly, next to Everest, the most ominous mountain to scale, with a lot of the fore-described features. the groans morph into the devil's voice, whereupon he proclaims his majesty ("As on earth I will not cool, here I do not melt") and annoounces that, since he's already got the poet down here, he might as well keep him. it's prolly the writing of which i'm most proud.

and that's where Carmina Burana comes in. i use music A LOT to set the mood for what i'm writing. I went out and bought the many musical pieces (by Gounod, Liszt, Berlioz, Schubert) based on the Faust story, but none of em worked for me. i kept returning to Carmina Burana cuz, not only is "La Fortuna" the perfect Gates of Hell music, but all the songs which follow became the tales of woe of all the people b4 them got lit up & pushed off the cliffs again. cool stuff. OK, ### slapped, back to your regular programs. nufced
I always think of shiny knights riding through flowering trees when I hear this. Cheesy shiny knights.
 
I'm going to reuse a pick from a previous draft.

I select a song that I consider to be just perfect in every way. I can't link from work, so can somebody please help a drafter out.

26.09 - Moanin' by Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers, Song

 
I'm heading out for about an hour and a half. If somehow things speed way up and get to me before I get back, go ahead and skip me.

 
MisfitBlondes said:
26.07 Carmina Burana - Composition
this will prolly end up highest on my list of compositions picked because of the catchiness of its most popular phrase/tune.
So I choose what many experts believe to be the "catchiest tune ever written" (Eine Klein Nachtmusic) and it gets no love, but this one does? Makes a whole lot of sense!
 
Even more than the Lincoln Memorial, Our Town really belongs on Yankee's team, and he missed out. There is no more quintessential piece of Americana than this one.

 
25.11 Movie, The Rules of the Game- Jean Renoir (1939)
:excited: Tremendous pick. Renoir really doesn't get as much love as he should. Sharp, funny, brilliantly shot. Don't be afraid of the black & white, peeps. This is great stuff.Deserves a write-up. :thumbup:
Getting there... wanted to drop it first.Thanks for affirmation... :blush:

was looking at 4 other films here- actually wasn't even looking at this since I assumed it was taken long ago. Now I'm forced to kind of change the thematic plan I had for the movie category... hadn't planned on including a study in manners and am wondering what I'm going to have to nix (if any of them last long enough for me to nix)
Just as I had settled on my 20-pointers, you go and pick this. :(
 
25.11 Movie, The Rules of the Game- Jean Renoir (1939)
:excited: Tremendous pick. Renoir really doesn't get as much love as he should. Sharp, funny, brilliantly shot. Don't be afraid of the black & white, peeps. This is great stuff.Deserves a write-up. :thumbup:
Getting there... wanted to drop it first.Thanks for affirmation... :blush:

was looking at 4 other films here- actually wasn't even looking at this since I assumed it was taken long ago. Now I'm forced to kind of change the thematic plan I had for the movie category... hadn't planned on including a study in manners and am wondering what I'm going to have to nix (if any of them last long enough for me to nix)
Just as I had settled on my 20-pointers, you go and pick this. :(
I have ranked and reranked the plays and it does no good. Probably best to wait until it's all over.I haven't seen this film, but not a particular fan of this director. I realize that's considered heresy.

 

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