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As I explained when it was selected, I love Phantom. I saw it with Michael Crawford at the Schubert Theatre in Los Angeles the year it premiered. It definitely makes my top 20 plays. But as to top ten, wait till the list is filled out and then tell me which of those you think are not as good. Difficult, difficult decisions.
I agree with you. Which is why I made this list in the first place, for a fun separate discussion.
There's some good philosophy in that book. It's knocked as a book that someone reads in their "hippie phase" or whatever, but I hate hippies and think its a good book. I think it's the fiction parts of the book that bring it down, not the non-fiction aspect.Zen and the Art... was one of those books that the stoners all read back when I was in college. They claimed that is was "way deep, man" and would discuss it incessantly when they were toking. It's sort of like Carlos Casteneda and his books about peyote and shamanism.
Obviously, it's all a matter of opinion, but in UH's humble opinion, you have West Side Story much too low.
Like hell I will. I got robbed pal.
So, when ranking your plays will the above musicals be ranked in this order?
You're like a football fan who just started watching the sport three years ago insisting that Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time, because the best QB today has to be the best ever. It doesn't work that way.
Which is worse to refer yourself in third person or to refer yourself in third person using initials?
Am I really the only person drafting who didn't like Les Mis, or just about anything else ALW did? I mean- I get a kick out of Jeebus Christ Superstar, but the rest of it I find pretty horrible. I walked out of seeing Les Mis in its original run on Broadway with the same feeling I had after watching Gorrest Fump.
Yes, I'm pretty sure they will be. Where they will fall overall, I have no idea. At the moment, given the extremely high quality of non-musical plays which have been selected, I have my doubts that ANY musicals are going to be ranked especially high. We'll see.
That's my problem.
I freaking love musicals, and I wholeheartedly agree with you. Glad to see them getting picked, though. It's what makes Medea and Mother Courage/Children and Lysistrata available so late.....
I don't understand.
Are you talking the site or the spreadsheet??
I freaking love Phantom - I really do. However, in addition to the charm and drama, it's also got a heavy amount of schmaltz, and the sound isn't holding up well. That's cheeseball synth intro really, really screams 1980's! I'd be surprised to see it in many top 10 lists.
Either.
At least Singin' is gone and Nazis and Nuns may be too.
The Sound of Music has been taken as a Play.ETA: Singin' in the Rain was taken as a Movie.
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Hmm, guess I'll take the film version.... Why? Who the hell knows.As for Sound of Music, I don't want the film version, I didn't realize the stage version was taken.
I'm following your logic clearly, but I'm still not understanding your point/problem.
UH thinks that referring to one's self in the 3rd person using initials is the ultimate in douchebaggery.
Could be. I still don't see what the problem is.If I knew where the musicals would be ranked overall, I would not be giving out a top ten list here, as that would be influencing the draft the way Thorn did. My purpose here is to generate a separate discussion of musicals compared to each other, because it's fun and interesting (at least to me.)
I have no problem with this Timbo.
ETA: Nevermind, missed the edit.
OK. In that case, you are taking the movie version of My Fair Lady, and your other two picks are disqualified.
Hope that clears it up.
Tim said his final list of plays will include the following musicals in this order, maybe they will be the bottom 10, but they will be in that order. My problem is ranking those musicals in that order for the play category.1. xxxx2. Oklahoma!3. South Pacific4.xxxx5.xxxx6.xxxx7. A Chorus Line8. Fiddler On The Roof9. West Side Story10. Les MiserablesETA: Oklahoma is a horrible play. Some people might enjoy it as a musical, but as a play it is horrible. West Side Story and Les Mis are clearly far and away better plays.
I'm aware of that hoss.
Wait- not 100% sure. Thatguy, please confirm that this is correct:1. You are selecting My Fair Lady as a movie.
Yessir.
XIncredible music.
If I understand your argument correctly, you're suggesting that when I rank the musicals as compared to the other plays, I should rank them as merely plays minus the music? If so, I reject this. My consideration of these plays is based on the following factors:
Just wanted to comment on this one point. We have to be really careful here in judging choreography, and for that matter blocking (stage movement) when it comes to live theatre. Sometimes original choreography and blocking are repeated in each production, but more often they are not. In the case of the classic Greek tragedies and Shakespeare, there is traditional blocking that is not believed to be descended from the playwrights but adapted much later- and in each case modern directors have fantastically altered the stage movement for more innovative productions.My point is, unlike film, I don't want to be beholden to the work of the directors of these stage productions, because they rarely have a permanent effect on the play in question. There are a few exceptions: Chicago would simply not be the same with Fosse choreography; at this point, that is part of the play. Where those exceptions occur, I will try to pay attention to them. But otherwise I don't think this is something that should be given very much weight.
