Official Great Works Draft (1 Viewer)

[Fennis]

Hi everyone. Only here for a brief moment.

1. Walt Disney World is perfectly fine. Other structures were developed over centuries, so I see no problem with this one, especially in Wildcard.

2. Big Rocks, Wikkidpissah already selected the Emancipation Proclomation as a political document, so I put the North Atlantic Treaty in Wildcard. Let me know if you want me to move these around.

Picks:

44.17 A Passage To India by E.M. Forster (Novel)

45.04 The Rubyiat of Omar Khayam

Will provide write ups later on.

What category are you taking this? 45.04 The Rubyiat of Omar Khayam. I assume WC?

 

[Uncle Humuna]

45.13 The Plough (Invention)

Means to turn over soil are as old as agriculture – the first farmers in the Middle East used tree branches or roots to grub up fields – but when farming spread to the heavier ground of northern Europe, a more sturdy solution was required. The carruca, which comprised a blade to dig the earth and a mouldboard to turn over the furrow, set the principles for the early heavy plough and, pulled by oxen or horses, contributed, eventually, to the agricultural revolution.

Did you want a plow (wood) or a plowshare (iron)? Where?hint: another one the Chinese beat the Euros on by about 600 years.

Hey, just trying to help.

Or plow (Snow)?

I meant Palau (bomb test site)

 

[Fennis]

Make-up pick:

After two of Yankee's earlier inventions were taken ... I thought for sure this would follow shortly. So, 35 rounds later, I'll take the low-hanging fruit.

45.5 - Association Football, Invention [5]

Association football, more commonly known as football or soccer, is a team sport played between two teams of eleven players, and is widely considered to be the most popular sport in the world. It is a football variant played on a rectangular grass or artificial turf field, with a goal in the centre of each of the short ends. The object of the game is to score by manoeuvring the ball into the opposing goal. In general play, the goalkeepers are the only players allowed to use their hands or arms to propel the ball; the rest of the team usually use their feet to kick the ball into position, occasionally using their torso or head to intercept a ball in midair. The team that scores the most goals by the end of the match wins.

The modern game was codified in England following the formation of The Football Association, whose 1863 Laws of the Game created the foundations for the way the sport is played today.

Further history of the game.

So are you drafting modern soccer as codified in England in 1863 or are you drafting soccer where some dutch or chinese guy kicked a skull around until they scored a goal?

 

[BobbyLayne]

45.13 The Plough (Invention)

Means to turn over soil are as old as agriculture – the first farmers in the Middle East used tree branches or roots to grub up fields – but when farming spread to the heavier ground of northern Europe, a more sturdy solution was required. The carruca, which comprised a blade to dig the earth and a mouldboard to turn over the furrow, set the principles for the early heavy plough and, pulled by oxen or horses, contributed, eventually, to the agricultural revolution.

Did you want a plow (wood) or a plowshare (iron)? Where?hint: another one the Chinese beat the Euros on by about 600 years.

Hey, just trying to help.

Or plow (Snow)?

I meant Palau (bomb test site)

Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears: let the weak say "I am strong."

 

[Fennis]

Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears: let the weak say "I am strong."

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.I Ike

 

[anborn]

Is Disney World really a valid selection?

I've got no problem with it whatsoever in the Wild Card category.

I don't think i'ld have a problem with if he chose just a single park (MK, EC, AK, DS/MGM)... but as a whole... thats has consistantly been built upon and improved for a loooong time?I'm a Disney fan and was planning on attempting taking WDW as a whole, but in reality thought I'ld have to choose a single park. :twocents:

It's most often discussed as a whole though. "I'm going to Disney World." Let's see what tim says.

I don't deny that... but in the context of this draft, most "part" draft objects can only be selected as a whole if they were generally released at the same time. MK came years before EC which came years before MGM which came years before AK. :twocents:i have no strong feeling on it either way, just putting my thoughts out there. if I can't draft it... it doesn't matter to me

 

[Fennis]

Is Wally World still available?

 

[rodg12]

Hi everyone. Only here for a brief moment.

1. Walt Disney World is perfectly fine. Other structures were developed over centuries, so I see no problem with this one, especially in Wildcard.

2. Big Rocks, Wikkidpissah already selected the Emancipation Proclomation as a political document, so I put the North Atlantic Treaty in Wildcard. Let me know if you want me to move these around.

Picks:

44.17 A Passage To India by E.M. Forster (Novel)

45.04 The Rubyiat of Omar Khayam

Will provide write ups later on.

What category are you taking this? 45.04 The Rubyiat of Omar Khayam. I assume WC?

Category would be nice to know Tim.

 

[anborn]

Team Norwood/Anborn select:

43.16 - The Mars Rover Mission, Spirit & Opportunity (NASA, 2003-Present) - Wildcard

http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/overview/

If the Apollo missions to the moon aren't the coolest damn thing we as a species have done in outerspace, these 2 robots are it. I mean seriously... just think about it. Lets build us some cool contraptions (not just cool, but damn cool,, with scientific purpose), send them a full years spaceflight away, drop them somehow from a gazillion miles above a foreign planet we've never been on, in an environment we know little about, and have them survive the fall. That alone would have warranted a standing ovation like we've never seen. But then be able to communicate with said robots, move them around, and have them still working 5 years later and still performing valid research?! Freaking insane.

 

[rodg12]

43.14 - Misfit Blondes (repick needed)

Skipped

39.19 - Tirnan (autoskip)

40.02 - Tirnan (autoskip)

41.10 - Thatguy (autoskip)

41.19 - Tirnan (autoskip)

42.02 - Tirnan (autoskip)

42.11 - Thatguy (autoskip)

43.10 - Thatguy (autoskip)

43.11 - El Floppo (autoskip)

43.19 - Tirnan (autoskip)

44.02 - Tirnan (autoskip)

44.05 - Scott Norwood/Anborn (autoskip after time out)

44.09 - Team CIA (autoskip)

44.10 - El Floppo (autoskip)

44.11 - Thatguy (autoskip)

44.13 - Tides of War (autoskip)

44.15 - Abrantes (autoskip)

44.20 - Fennis/Krista (requested skip)

45.06 - Abrantes (autoskip)

45.08 - Tides of War (autoskip)

45.10 - Thatguy (autoskip)

45.11 - El Floppo (autoskip)

45.12 - Team CIA (autoskip)

45.14 - MisfitBlondes (autoskip pending re-pick)

45.15 - Bob Lee Swagger - UP

45.16 - Scott Norwood/Anborn

45.17 - DC Thunder

45.18 - Genedoc

45.19 - Tirnan (autoskip)

45.20 - Yankee23Fan

 

[TidesofWar]

A Chorus Line- simply a brilliant musical, and #7 on my all time list.

1.

2. Oklahoma!

3. South Pacific

4.

5.

6.

7. A Chorus Line

8. Fiddler On The Roof

9. West Side Story

10. Les Miserables

Please keep in mind that at the moment I have no idea how any of these will rank in the overall play rankings. Comparing them to the great dramas, comedies and tragedies will be difficult, and I'm afraid all but the very best musicals may suffer in the overall comparison; that remains to be seen. Right now I'm just comparing them to each other.

I hope this doesn't come off as rude, but any top 10 that doesn't have The Phantom of the Opera on it is questionable at best.

I beg to differ. I think a very good case can be made for at least 10 musicals better than Phantom. My problem with the list above is that Les Mis is too low. It's a top 3, top 5 at worst. I prefer it to all of those named above.

I wasn't even going to get his Les Mis position. To me, there is no question that Les Mis is #1. Of all the shows I have seen on broadway and off, and I've seen a ton of them including every one in his list, Les Mis is the only one that just blew me away every time, no matter how many times I saw it and the same thing with the music as well.As for Phantom, if I had to rank all time shows it would be in the top 5, so I have a hard time coming close to 10th let alone out of 10th. No, that show had way way too much power and perfection to not be in a top 10.

I am glad some appreciate the Phantom of The Opera

 

[thatguy]

Another makeup pick here folks...

I continue to stay about 3 to 4 picks behind, which is fine by me. We're at a point in this draft where I am in no danger of being sniped. I've nothing left on my draft board - well, technically, I have no draft board. Let's face it, I wound up with a musical that I know nothing about for no other reason than it was ranked highly on a Wikipedia list, and, this being the case, I convinced myself that I'd shock the world by being the guy who figured out Tim's #1 musical. (Speaking of this, Timbo, Krista, Rodg, the powers that be if you will, can I please change that pick to the stage version of My Fair Lady instead? It would be a shame for me to fill my last movie slot with a movie I've never seen and would almost certainly have abhorred had I seen it.)

Yes, it's safe to say from here on out I'll be a shoot from the hip kind of guy, which is fine by me, and, I'm sure, fine by the rest of you too. It's doubtful that I pose any threat of sniping those late round gems that you're all so anxiously waiting to wow us with. One less thing to worry about.

I've already taken the works that are dear to me: Dark Side of the Moon, Bohemian Rhapsody, Abby Road, Nirvana Unplugged, PSH as Capote, Natural Selection & Origin of Species, etc. And of course I've filled the category I care most about - novels - and filled it too with picks close to my heart. All this being said, I still need a partner, lest I might end up with sheer garbage for the remainder of my picks.

Okay, on to the pick. Going to take a non-fiction work here, my fourth thus far, and one that in my own provincial mind presents solid value this late in the draft.

I am also happy to select this work because it was written by the novelist who wrote the first novel I chose, Anna Karenina.

This work, more than any other, even Civil Disobedience, had a profound impact on the likes of Gandhi and King in their pursuit of effecting change through nonviolent resistance.

The Kingdom of God is Within You by Leo Tolstoy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kingdom_o...d_Is_Within_You

 

[Mister CIA]

As I near the end of my play selections, I'm first pulling up a list of highly regarded plays and then picking one I think will be most rewarding for me to read later. It's all I can do.



44.09 - Three Sisters by Anton Chekov, Play

Three Sisters is a naturalistic play about the decay of the privileged class in Russia and the search for meaning in the modern world. It describes the lives and aspirations of the Prozorov family, the three sisters (Olga, Masha, and Irina) and their brother Andrei. They are a family dissatisfied and frustrated with their present existence. The sisters are refined and cultured young women who grew up in urban Moscow; however for the past eleven years they have been living in a small provincial town. Moscow is a major symbolic element: the sisters are always dreaming of it and constantly express their desire to return. They identify Moscow with their happiness, and thus to them it represents the perfect life. However as the play develops Moscow never materializes and they all see their dreams recede further and further. Meaning never presents itself and they are forced to seek it out for themselves.

 

[anborn]

Team Norwood/Anborn (makeup) picks....

44.05 - The Refrigerator/Freezer (Cullen, 1748) - Invention

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigerator

Sure the icebox came first... but frankly I prefer not having to worry about getting huge chunks of ice delivered.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears: let the weak say "I am strong."

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.I Ike

Mediocre Prez but that was the best farewell speech evah.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Team BobbyLayne Plays

Play (1) Othello

Play (2) The Bacchae

Play (3) Mother Courage and her Children

Play (4) South Pacific

Play (5) Marlowe's Doctor Faustus

I was devastated when early on I lost out on Macbeth, The Cherry Orchard and Waiting for Godot. All things considered, pretty happy how it worked out.

As I near the end of my play selections, I'm first pulling up a list of highly regarded plays and then picking one I think will be most rewarding for me to read later. It's all I can do.



44.09 - Three Sisters by Anton Chekov, Play

Three Sisters is a naturalistic play about the decay of the privileged class in Russia and the search for meaning in the modern world. It describes the lives and aspirations of the Prozorov family, the three sisters (Olga, Masha, and Irina) and their brother Andrei. They are a family dissatisfied and frustrated with their present existence. The sisters are refined and cultured young women who grew up in urban Moscow; however for the past eleven years they have been living in a small provincial town. Moscow is a major symbolic element: the sisters are always dreaming of it and constantly express their desire to return. They identify Moscow with their happiness, and thus to them it represents the perfect life. However as the play develops Moscow never materializes and they all see their dreams recede further and further. Meaning never presents itself and they are forced to seek it out for themselves.

I ran across this when looking at Chekhov's Three Sisters, the one I was weighing against Marlowe:

Gorky...considered Three Sisters the most profound and effective of Chekhov's plays. Half a century before WAITING FOR GODOT, Chekhov based his play on waiting for something that never happens, in which decisive actions and resolvable conflicts - essential ingredients of conventional drama - are replaced by paralysis, ennui, and the inconsequential. Almost a century before Jerry Seinfeld promoted a situation comedy in which "nothing happens", Chekhov offered a tragicomedy on the same terms: keeping the expected dramatic climaxes offstage, concentrating instead on the interior drama just below the surface of the routine and ordinary. By doing so Three Sisters fundamentally challenged the accepted stage assumptions of the day, while establishing a new dramatic logic and procedure that have influenced and shaped the drama that followed it.

 

[krista4]

Make-up pick:

New can be great. Let's get to some modern masters--I want Wallace Stevens, William Carlos Williams, Pablo Neruda, Sylvia Plath, and this guy to be recognized.

Poetry is meant to be heard, so click here:




No Wiki to be provided. Eff judging. What moves you?

 

[Fennis]

Make-up pick:

New can be great. Let's get to some modern masters--I want Wallace Stevens, William Carlos Williams, Pablo Neruda, Sylvia Plath, and this guy to be recognized.

Poetry is meant to be heard, so click here:

Im bringing this up during the next board meeting.

 

[krista4]

Make-up pick:

New can be great. Let's get to some modern masters--I want Wallace Stevens, William Carlos Williams, Pablo Neruda, Sylvia Plath, and this guy to be recognized.

Poetry is meant to be heard, so click here:

How much you love Bukowski? Mickey Rourke as Bukowski? Or Matt Dillon? What?

 

[timschochet]

Hi guys. Back and updating. Couple of notes:

1. The Rubiyat of Omar Khayam is of course, poetry.

2. thatguy is correct, My Fair Lady is #1. I couldn't write that before because it was taken as a movie. As a stage play, it is perfection, IMO.

3. Three Sisters is an outstanding work; so is Marlowe's Doctor Faustus. You've both just made my life a whole lot more difficult.

 

[Fennis]

Make-up pick:

New can be great. Let's get to some modern masters--I want Wallace Stevens, William Carlos Williams, Pablo Neruda, Sylvia Plath, and this guy to be recognized.

Poetry is meant to be heard, so click here:

picking on what moves you rather than what the judges will like.

 

[Fennis]

Hi guys. Back and updating. Couple of notes:

1. The Rubiyat of Omar Khayam is of course, poetry.

2. thatguy is correct, My Fair Lady is #1. I couldn't write that before because it was taken as a movie. As a stage play, it is perfection, IMO.

3. Three Sisters is an outstanding work; so is Marlowe's Doctor Faustus. You've both just made my life a whole lot more difficult.

Sorry, but I protest the selection of The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayam as poem.

 

[Postradamus]

Make-up pick:

New can be great. Let's get to some modern masters--I want Wallace Stevens, William Carlos Williams, Pablo Neruda, Sylvia Plath, and this guy to be recognized.

Poetry is meant to be heard, so click here:

Bukowski is great, tons of other awesome poets that have yet to be tapped. The category is enormous and we're only drafting 40

 

[krista4]

Make-up pick:

New can be great. Let's get to some modern masters--I want Wallace Stevens, William Carlos Williams, Pablo Neruda, Sylvia Plath, and this guy to be recognized.

Poetry is meant to be heard, so click here:

Oh yeah. Won't happen again, boss. :salute:

 

[krista4]

Make-up pick:

New can be great. Let's get to some modern masters--I want Wallace Stevens, William Carlos Williams, Pablo Neruda, Sylvia Plath, and this guy to be recognized.

Poetry is meant to be heard, so click here:

I know. I can't wait 'til we give our "alternate" lists. There were two Stevens and one Williams poems that I especially wanted, and would have taken if we had more poetry. again.

 

[Fennis]

Make-up pick:

New can be great. Let's get to some modern masters--I want Wallace Stevens, William Carlos Williams, Pablo Neruda, Sylvia Plath, and this guy to be recognized.

Poetry is meant to be heard, so click here:

It might be the beer talking but I say we blow a WC on a Poem.

 

[krista4]

Make-up pick:

New can be great. Let's get to some modern masters--I want Wallace Stevens, William Carlos Williams, Pablo Neruda, Sylvia Plath, and this guy to be recognized.

Poetry is meant to be heard, so click here:

 

[Fennis]

Hi guys. Back and updating. Couple of notes:

1. The Rubiyat of Omar Khayam is of course, poetry.

2. thatguy is correct, My Fair Lady is #1. I couldn't write that before because it was taken as a movie. As a stage play, it is perfection, IMO.

3. Three Sisters is an outstanding work; so is Marlowe's Doctor Faustus. You've both just made my life a whole lot more difficult.

Sorry, but I protest the selection of The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayam as poem.

ao rodg and krista can make a decision, from all knowing wiki:

Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam (Persian: رباعیات عمر خیام) is the title that Edward FitzGerald gave to his translation of a selection of poems, originally written in the Persian language and of which there are about a thousand, attributed to Omar Khayyám (1048–1123), a Persian poet, mathematician and astronomer. A Persian ruba'i is a two line stanza with two parts (or hemistechs) per line, hence the word "Rubaiyat", (derived from the Arabic root word for 4), meaning "quatrains".

Pick a poem or move it to WC is my protest.This protest brought to you by Gypsy not being in the top 10 of musicals.

 

[timschochet]

OK, Fennis challenges my selection of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam. Per Wikipedia:

Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam (Persian: رباعیات عمر خیام) is the title that Edward FitzGerald gave to his translation of a selection of poems, originally written in the Persian language and of which there are about a thousand, attributed to Omar Khayyám (1048–1123), a Persian poet, mathematician and astronomer. A Persian ruba'i is a two line stanza with two parts (or hemistechs) per line, hence the word "Rubaiyat", (derived from the Arabic root word for 4), meaning "quatrains".

I will wait for a ruling from Krista and rodg12 regarding this. If they reject this as a poem, then I reserve the right to make another pick.

 

[krista4]

Hi guys. Back and updating. Couple of notes:

1. The Rubiyat of Omar Khayam is of course, poetry.

2. thatguy is correct, My Fair Lady is #1. I couldn't write that before because it was taken as a movie. As a stage play, it is perfection, IMO.

3. Three Sisters is an outstanding work; so is Marlowe's Doctor Faustus. You've both just made my life a whole lot more difficult.

Sorry, but I protest the selection of The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayam as poem.

ao rodg and krista can make a decision, from all knowing wiki:

Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam (Persian: رباعیات عمر خیام) is the title that Edward FitzGerald gave to his translation of a selection of poems, originally written in the Persian language and of which there are about a thousand, attributed to Omar Khayyám (1048–1123), a Persian poet, mathematician and astronomer. A Persian ruba'i is a two line stanza with two parts (or hemistechs) per line, hence the word "Rubaiyat", (derived from the Arabic root word for 4), meaning "quatrains".

Pick a poem or move it to WC is my protest.This protest brought to you by Gypsy not being in the top 10 of musicals. :IBTL:

Actually I agree. It is not one poem; it is a collection of poetry. It could be in WC or one "poem" has to be chosen.ETA: Per Wiki (tim's authority of choice) it constitutes "a thousand" poems.

 

[timschochet]

Never mind, I see the nature of your objection, so I will make another pick instead.

 

[rodg12]

OK, Fennis challenges my selection of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam. Per Wikipedia:

Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam (Persian: رباعیات عمر خیام) is the title that Edward FitzGerald gave to his translation of a selection of poems, originally written in the Persian language and of which there are about a thousand, attributed to Omar Khayyám (1048–1123), a Persian poet, mathematician and astronomer. A Persian ruba'i is a two line stanza with two parts (or hemistechs) per line, hence the word "Rubaiyat", (derived from the Arabic root word for 4), meaning "quatrains".

I will wait for a ruling from Krista and rodg12 regarding this. If they reject this as a poem, then I reserve the right to make another pick.

Sorry, tim, don't see how we can allow this when the category definition is thus:Poem (2) Choose one poem. I considered a book of verses, but would not be good for comparative purposes.

:IBTL:

 

[timschochet]

OK, Fennis challenges my selection of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam. Per Wikipedia:

Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam (Persian: رباعیات عمر خیام) is the title that Edward FitzGerald gave to his translation of a selection of poems, originally written in the Persian language and of which there are about a thousand, attributed to Omar Khayyám (1048–1123), a Persian poet, mathematician and astronomer. A Persian ruba'i is a two line stanza with two parts (or hemistechs) per line, hence the word "Rubaiyat", (derived from the Arabic root word for 4), meaning "quatrains".

I will wait for a ruling from Krista and rodg12 regarding this. If they reject this as a poem, then I reserve the right to make another pick.

Sorry, tim, don't see how we can allow this when the category definition is thus:Poem (2) Choose one poem. I considered a book of verses, but would not be good for comparative purposes.

:IBTL:

No, your objection is correct. I was rushed this afternoon, and had for some reason supposed it was a single long poem like my other choice, Paradise Lost. Which is fine, I'll choose again.

 

[krista4]

Never mind, I see the nature of your objection, so I will make another pick instead.

I have an awesome Wallace Stevens poem I could lend you.

 

[Fennis]

All this being said, I still need a partner, lest I might end up with sheer garbage for the remainder of my picks.

Okay, on to the pick. Going to take a non-fiction work here, my fourth thus far, and one that in my own provincial mind presents solid value

inHimshallibe said they would partner if someone wanted. no idea who they are, but they seem to be really really religious.

 

[krista4]

All this being said, I still need a partner, lest I might end up with sheer garbage for the remainder of my picks.

Okay, on to the pick. Going to take a non-fiction work here, my fourth thus far, and one that in my own provincial mind presents solid value

inHimshallibe said they would partner if someone wanted. no idea who they are, but they seem to be really really religious.

"Him" could refer to Charles Bukowski. Or Mr. Ham. Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We don't know.

 

[Fennis]

All this being said, I still need a partner, lest I might end up with sheer garbage for the remainder of my picks.

Okay, on to the pick. Going to take a non-fiction work here, my fourth thus far, and one that in my own provincial mind presents solid value

inHimshallibe said they would partner if someone wanted. no idea who they are, but they seem to be really really religious.

"Him" could refer to Charles Bukowski. Or Mr. Ham. Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We don't know.

ALthought it would be really cool if it was mr. ham, Im gonna go with jesus.

 

[rodg12]

All this being said, I still need a partner, lest I might end up with sheer garbage for the remainder of my picks.

Okay, on to the pick. Going to take a non-fiction work here, my fourth thus far, and one that in my own provincial mind presents solid value

inHimshallibe said they would partner if someone wanted. no idea who they are, but they seem to be really really religious.

"Him" could refer to Charles Bukowski. Or Mr. Ham. Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We don't know.

:IBTL:

 

[TidesofWar]

44.13 - Stopping By Woods on a Snowy Evening - Robert Frost - PoemNufced, I got wines to drink before I sleep

Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening by Robert FrostWhose woods these are I think I know.His house is in the village, though;He will not see me stopping hereTo watch his woods fill up with snow.My little horse must think it queerTo stop without a farmhouse nearBetween the woods and frozen lakeThe darkest evening of the year.He gives his harness bells a shakeTo ask if there is some mistake.The only other sound's the sweepOf easy wind and downy flake.The woods are lovely, dark and deep,But I have promises to keep,And miles to go before I sleep,And miles to go before I sleep.

 

[timschochet]

45.04 First They Came... (Poem)

First they came… is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

Martin Niemöller was a German pastor and theologian born in Lippstadt, Germany, in 1892. Niemöller was an anti-Communist and supported Hitler's rise to power at first. But when Hitler insisted on the supremacy of the state over religion, Niemöller became disillusioned. He became the leader of a group of German clergymen opposed to Hitler. Unlike Niemöller, they gave in to the Nazis' threats. Hitler personally detested Niemöller and had him arrested and eventually confined in the Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps. Niemöller was released in 1945 by the Allies. He continued his career in Germany as a clergyman and as a leading voice of penance and reconciliation for the German people after World War II. His poem is well-known, frequently quoted, and is a popular model for describing the dangers of political apathy, as it often begins with specific and targeted fear and hatred which soon escalates out of control.

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,

habe ich geschwiegen;

ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,

habe ich geschwiegen;

ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,

habe ich nicht protestiert;

ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie die Juden holten,

habe ich geschwiegen;

ich war ja kein Jude.

Als sie mich holten,

gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

When the Nazis came for the communists,

I remained silent;

I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent;

I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,

I did not protest;

I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,

I did not speak out;

I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,

there was no one left to speak out for me.

 

[krista4]

Love the two poem picks. C'mon, let's add more poetry!!!

 

[Fennis]

protest it doesn't rhyme.

Just kidding, good make-up pick.

 

[timschochet]

A Passage to India (1924) is a novel by E. M. Forster set against the backdrop of the British Raj and the Indian independence movement in the 1920s. It was selected as one of the 100 great works of English literature by the Modern Library and won the 1924 James Tait Black Memorial Prize for fiction. Time Magazine included the novel in its "TIME 100 Best English-language Novels from 1923 to 2005"

It is also one of the top three best novels I have ever read, and aside from explaining the specific problems of the Raj, it is also an incisive look at racial attitudes and differences. I first read it during the early 1990's while the OJ Simpson trial was going on, and this novel, which has nothing to do with any aspect of that trial, helped me to understand it, because the novel is centered around another trial in which two races look at the facts completely differently.

And this is the point of the novel. Forster never gets around to telling us what really happened in that cave because it doesn't matter. What matters is the perception of the different cultures, and whether or not human beings will ever truly understand each other. I cannot recommend A Passage To India highly enough.

Crime And Punishment

The Trial

Dead Souls

The Red and the Black

A Passage To India

Not too shabby a list.

 

[BobbyLayne]

The very interesting thing about the Turner painting is how much the sky is influenced by the volcanic ash in the atmosphere from the eruption/explosion of Mt. Tambora in the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) That eruption caused the Year without a Summer in 1816 and produced vivid sunsets for many eyars to come.

Interesting.This painting is my new desktop background, took the place of View from Toledo, or whatever that El Greco painting is called.

Same thing happened with the Krakatoa eruption in 1883. There are many watercolors and paintings of the late 19th centuries with vivid sunsets and sky effects due to the volcanic ash in the atmosphere.High levels of ash in the atmosphere led to unusually spectacular sunsets during this period, a feature celebrated in the paintings of J. M. W. Turner. It has been theorised that it was this that gave rise to the yellow tinge that is predominant in his paintings such as Chichester Canal circa 1828. A similar phenomenon was observed after the 1883 Krakatoa eruption, and on the West Coast of the United States following the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines.

Here's an interesting exercise for everyone to try; take any painting you have drafted, and do a search on its title in Google images. Odds are the color and light pallette is all over the place. Typical is this Turner; there is not nearly as much vibrant orange as the Wiki entry or the link Postradamus provided. I've seen it in person, and the museum link matches several art books I have which include it. Compare and contrast. First is what it actually looks like, second one is from the Wiki entry (and the pick writeup).ETA: had them reversed try this - yellowish = actual, orangish = notsomuch

Online polls are terrible. We already knew that, right? Well they really screw up these drafts. That BBC poll the original writeup spoke of was highly controversial; they narrowed it down to a top ten first - which went badly, with several great works left out - and then ran the vote on the BBC website from those.

Its nice picl, Posty, but not the best representation of Turner's evolution from Romantic landscape/history painting to pre-impressionism. Shocking he went undrafted in the W.G.D., so I am very pleased to see someone grab one by him.

 

[Postradamus]

The very interesting thing about the Turner painting is how much the sky is influenced by the volcanic ash in the atmosphere from the eruption/explosion of Mt. Tambora in the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) That eruption caused the Year without a Summer in 1816 and produced vivid sunsets for many eyars to come.

Interesting.This painting is my new desktop background, took the place of View from Toledo, or whatever that El Greco painting is called.

Same thing happened with the Krakatoa eruption in 1883. There are many watercolors and paintings of the late 19th centuries with vivid sunsets and sky effects due to the volcanic ash in the atmosphere.High levels of ash in the atmosphere led to unusually spectacular sunsets during this period, a feature celebrated in the paintings of J. M. W. Turner. It has been theorised that it was this that gave rise to the yellow tinge that is predominant in his paintings such as Chichester Canal circa 1828. A similar phenomenon was observed after the 1883 Krakatoa eruption, and on the West Coast of the United States following the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines.

Here's an interesting exercise for everyone to try; take any painting you have drafted, and do a search on its title in Google images. Odds are the color and light pallette is all over the place. Typical is this Turner; there is not nearly as much vibrant orange as the Wiki entry or the link Postradamus provided. I've seen it in person, and the museum link matches several art books I have which include it. Compare and contrast. First one is from the Wiki entry (and the pick writeup), second is what it actually looks like.Online polls are terrible. We already knew that, right? Well they really screw up these drafts. That BBC poll the original writeup spoke of was highly controversial; they narrowed it down to a top ten first - which went badly, with several great works left out - and then ran the vote on the BBC website from those.

Its nice picl, Posty, but not the best representation of Turner's evolution from Romantic landscape/history painting to pre-impressionism. Shocking he went undrafted in the W.G.D., so I am very pleased to see someone grab one by him.

Yeah I thought that the picture was brighter than I remembered it from my art history class when I first saw it...either way, it's definitely one that I remember and am fond of, but I think I like the distorted brightness. Pretty cool.I didn't pick it because of that poll or any other supposed accolade it might have accrued, just thought I'd try to pump up my pick a bit by bolding that little tidbit I didn't know about before wikiing it.

Turner has a lot of great stuff no doubt. Nice commentary, that's what makes this draft enjoyable to me.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Maybe your distorted Turner picl will inspire a Fauvism pick or two.



(NTTAWT - have a Fauvism hanging in my home office)

 

[rodg12]

Status update, then I'm off to bed. TTY all in the morning.

43.14 - Misfit Blondes (repick needed)

Skipped

39.19 - Tirnan (autoskip)

40.02 - Tirnan (autoskip)

41.19 - Tirnan (autoskip)

42.02 - Tirnan (autoskip)

42.11 - Thatguy (autoskip)

43.10 - Thatguy (autoskip)

43.11 - El Floppo (autoskip)

43.19 - Tirnan (autoskip)

44.02 - Tirnan (autoskip)

44.10 - El Floppo (autoskip)

44.11 - Thatguy (autoskip)

44.15 - Abrantes (autoskip)

45.06 - Abrantes (autoskip)

45.08 - Tides of War (autoskip)

45.10 - Thatguy (autoskip)

45.11 - El Floppo (autoskip)

45.12 - Team CIA (autoskip)

45.14 - MisfitBlondes (autoskip pending re-pick)

45.15 - Bob Lee Swagger - UP

45.16 - Scott Norwood/Anborn

45.17 - DC Thunder

45.18 - Genedoc

45.19 - Tirnan (autoskip)

45.20 - Yankee23Fan

 

[hagmania]

42.15 Isao Takahata's Grave of The Fireflies (Wildcard)

Almost left this one off just because it's such a punch in the gut. One of the greatest accomplishments in the history of animated films (or even film history), and just as powerful as anything selected thus far. If you haven't seen this or just plain ask yourself "what the hell is that", I urge you to check it out.

Thank you for taking this.

 

[hagmania]

45.15 inHim reads the GWD thread in less than a week (accomplishments you shouldn't be proud of)

ETA: partnership in the works with thatguy. If he rejects he'll still have a ton of suggestions.

 

[TidesofWar]

45.08 - Organ Transplantation - Scientific Discovery

I hope this allowed, will link writeup info tonight, as I am going to be involved in a Golf Tourney, travel, and the like all day.

The first successful transplant in Humans was a corneal transplant in 1905, now this wonder allows many life where it was not possible not long ago.

Think I am current now on picks

Hit 'Em Straight, and Salut!!!