Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Official Great Works Draft (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter timschochet
- Start date
rodg12
Footballguy
You didn't like my Procrastination suggestion?
Abrantes
Footballguy
I do appreciate the procrastination suggestion, as one very near and dear to me, and I also appreciate my amigo wikkid's suggestion, but I'm not sure how specific the category's supposed to be. I wanted something akin to taking the Renaissance ideal of the polymath/homo universalis, but I'm not sure it's exactly what we're looking for, since it wasn't properly "invented". It was just presented in new light as something to be strived for. Important, in my eyes, but I'm not sure if fits the philosophical/political requirements, and I'd rather not argue over whether it's valid or not if it's called into question.
Last edited by a moderator:
rodg12
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
timschochet
Footballguy
How about narcissism?
Narcissism describes the trait of excessive self-love based on self-image or ego, as well as lack of empathy for others.
The term is derived from the Greek mythology of Narcissus. Narcissus was a handsome Greek youth who rejected the desperate advances of the nymph Echo. As punishment, he was doomed to fall in love with his own reflection in a pool of water. Unable to consummate his love, Narcissus pined away and changed into a flower that bears his name, the narcissus.
Narcissism describes the trait of excessive self-love based on self-image or ego, as well as lack of empathy for others.
The term is derived from the Greek mythology of Narcissus. Narcissus was a handsome Greek youth who rejected the desperate advances of the nymph Echo. As punishment, he was doomed to fall in love with his own reflection in a pool of water. Unable to consummate his love, Narcissus pined away and changed into a flower that bears his name, the narcissus.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Gotta go with nihilism here, um, er, uh, dude
Oh, agreed - I haven't been in a physical altercation over a video game in at least 10 years. But the arguing over silly stuff? I've seen little indication that we'll grow out of that.Most of you grow out of it, though. Most of you.BTW, I'm still getting in touch over wine and stuff and haven't forgotten. Have just been busy with Serious Business internet drafting and such.
Last edited by a moderator:
TidesofWar
Footballguy
Minimalism??
BTW - I am looking for a quality Fantasy Football League to join this year, any suggestions?
BTW - I am looking for a quality Fantasy Football League to join this year, any suggestions?
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Sorry. I only do competitive leagues.Minimalism??BTW - I am looking for a quality Fantasy Football League to join this year, any suggestions?
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Can't be any worse then your play rankings.
Bob Lee Swagger
Footballguy
Huge 
to all the judges first for even attempting to rank the selections, and second for putting up with all the #####ing that results from those rankings. While I guess there is technically a winner of this draft, I think most looked at it as something to have fun with, and something to learn from, rather than as something to be won or lost.
While the individual picks themselves generated plenty of discussion, I think that the main function of "judging" is to facilitate a higher level of discourse on the selections, e.g., The Bill of Rights is a Great Work because ___________, but the U.S. Constitution is a greater work because _____________.
Also, the last few pages have been awesome
And thanks to rodg for the Plays shoutout!
to all the judges first for even attempting to rank the selections, and second for putting up with all the #####ing that results from those rankings. While I guess there is technically a winner of this draft, I think most looked at it as something to have fun with, and something to learn from, rather than as something to be won or lost.While the individual picks themselves generated plenty of discussion, I think that the main function of "judging" is to facilitate a higher level of discourse on the selections, e.g., The Bill of Rights is a Great Work because ___________, but the U.S. Constitution is a greater work because _____________.
Also, the last few pages have been awesome
And thanks to rodg for the Plays shoutout!
I'll do it...You have a handy list of the drafted works?
krista4
Footballguy
I'm just using the rodg/CIA list--you can sort on the original one by team. Thanks!
rodg12
Footballguy
Here you go Gene.....MisfitBlondes - Diary of a Young Girl MisfitBlondes - I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings MisfitBlondes - American Dictionary of the English Language MisfitBlondes - DianeticsMisfitBlondes - The Guinness Book of World RecordsTimschochet - The Wealth of Nations Timschochet - On The Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres (De revolutionibus orbium coelestium)Timschochet - The TalmundTimschochet - On LibertyTimschochet - Institutes of the Christian Religion
Fennis
Footballguy
all 1's
krista4
Footballguy
That's the way I was leaning.
timschochet
Footballguy
This is lazy and absurd. You're compartmentalizing! This draft used to be fun before the judges started kissing ###. You've been influenced by your witch of a partner and her idiot husband! (If they're really married, that is.) I've been nothing but respectful to everyone here and I won't be insulted.
jmp
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
TV show rankings coming in a few...............
I'll be off-line most of the time until Monday. Sports Record ranking will be posted early next week, but the general tears of a clown for that category were posted last week.
As for these picks:
MisfitBlondes - Diary of a Young Girl -- 10 points, historically significant, not particulaly literary.
MisfitBlondes - I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings -- 10. I know of it by reputation, but have never read it.
MisfitBlondes - American Dictionary of the English Language -- Is this the original Noah Webster's? if so 12 points because of historical significance.
MisfitBlondes - Dianetics--1 point Scientology cult founding document. nufced.
MisfitBlondes - The Guinness Book of World Records--4 points. Book of crazy reords designed mainly to advertise a brewery.
Timschochet - The Wealth of Nations--18 points Philosophical foundation of capitalism
Timschochet - On The Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres (De revolutionibus orbium coelestium) --16 points Established cosmology as a science
Timschochet - The Talmund 16 points. Gloss and interpretation of the Torah. Important to the Jewish religion
Timschochet - On Liberty 12 points. Important text to the limited government crowd. Less so to the big government people currently in power.
Timschochet - Institutes of the Christian Religion--19 points. Sets out the basic tenets of Calvinism and after the Bible, one of the most important books ever written to mainstream Protestantism.
As for these picks:
MisfitBlondes - Diary of a Young Girl -- 10 points, historically significant, not particulaly literary.
MisfitBlondes - I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings -- 10. I know of it by reputation, but have never read it.
MisfitBlondes - American Dictionary of the English Language -- Is this the original Noah Webster's? if so 12 points because of historical significance.
MisfitBlondes - Dianetics--1 point Scientology cult founding document. nufced.
MisfitBlondes - The Guinness Book of World Records--4 points. Book of crazy reords designed mainly to advertise a brewery.
Timschochet - The Wealth of Nations--18 points Philosophical foundation of capitalism
Timschochet - On The Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres (De revolutionibus orbium coelestium) --16 points Established cosmology as a science
Timschochet - The Talmund 16 points. Gloss and interpretation of the Torah. Important to the Jewish religion
Timschochet - On Liberty 12 points. Important text to the limited government crowd. Less so to the big government people currently in power.
Timschochet - Institutes of the Christian Religion--19 points. Sets out the basic tenets of Calvinism and after the Bible, one of the most important books ever written to mainstream Protestantism.
krista4
Footballguy
You forgot to sign in under your Genedoc alias for this.
rodg12
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Television Show Ratings:
20 points
All In The Family - Simply the greatest sitcom. greatest show, and the greatest character (Archie Bunker) in television history. Only one other show on this list had the success this one did.
Hill Street Blues - The standard for all television dramas.
19 points
Saturday Night Live - Longevity and cultural impact here go a long way. The good years were fantastic, but the bad years were painful. Still, it's SNL.
M*A*S*H - Another great show whose final episode generated a Super Bowl audience. It will likely be in syndication forever.
18 points
I Love Lucy - The gold standard of American television. Syndicated around the world and one of the few shows to leave the screen on top of everyone else.
60 Minutes - one of the most watched, longest lasting culturally significant news shows in TV history.
17 points
Sesame Street - The most important children's television in TV history, not to mention the longest lasting. Versions of it encompass the globe in different languages and cultures.
The Sopranos - HBO's ultimate mob show. It might be HBO's best offering for series drama series.
16 points
Roots - One of, if not the, most powerful mini series events in TV history. It's the only show, joining MASH, that put up Super Bowl ratings.
Seinfeld - The most powerful show in current TV history. It's a syndication powerhouse, it's story lines and catch phrases are part of general American lexicon.
15 points
The Wire - I know I'm getting hit for this one as it dropped out of the top 10, but I think longevity and lack of syndication will be a problem for this, albeit great, show.
The Simpsons - 20 years for this show. It might just stay on TV forever.
14 points
The Civil War - Another great great miniseries that captured the nation.
Cheers - Another one of NBC's highly successful sitcoms.
13 points
Band of Brothers - Probably one of my personal favorites there is little wrong with this short lived show.
South Park - It might be more culturally biting then The Simpsons, and to some it might be funnier. But it has a long way to go be considered on the same level. Still, it's damn funny.
12 points
The Andy Griffith Show - Another show that will probably live in syndication forever.
Lonesome Dove - Rock solid mini series.
11 points
Twin Peaks - This show had almost a cult following and ended sooner then many wanted, but it was a top notch show that was just unlucky ratings wise.
Planet Earth - one of the most spectacular nature shows in TV history. Time will tell if sustains its greatness, but it is amazing to see.
10 points
The Ed Sullivan Show - A TV icon and a show that was part of the family for millions.
Battlestar Galatica - The new version of this 70's cult favorite was some of the best television of this decade. A sci-fi story, it captured audiences not common to sci-fi.
9 points
Dr. Who - The classic British offereing that is the longest running sci-fi show in the world.
The Mary Tyler Moore Show - a critically acclaimed feminist sitcom that changed TV culture for women and female characters.
8 points
The Honeymooners - Only 39 episodes hurt this iconic show, but it was an ispiration for a ton of shows and methods of sit-com.
Frasier - Arguably funnier and better written then its parent show, Cheers, it didn't capture the nation the way many of the above shows did, nor are its characters part of our culture.
7 points
The West Wing - A solid drama with excellent acting and a long run have made this a syndication favorite.
Monty Python's Flying Circus - You either love them or hate them.
6 points
Star Trek - The original series wasn't as good at TV as the later ones, but it sparked an empire and a whole new universe that nothing else on this list can come close to claiming.
Twilight Zone - A classic television gift that keeps on giving every year in marathons.
5 points
Deadwood - Died way too young. The first season was perhaps the best tv in a long, long time. The lack of longevity really hurts what could have been an iconic show.
The X-Files - Some of it was great. Some of it sucked. There was little in between.
4 points
Fawlty Towers - One of Britian's funniest shows. It lacks longevity, but it still is a show loved oversease.
Top Gear - A solid show that claims 350 million viewers worldwide. Impressive. Boys and their cars....
3 points
Neon Genesis Evangelion - An animae titan of a show.
Dekalog - A mini-series focused on the 10 Commandments that doesn't have the cultural significance or longevity of most of the rest of the list.
2 points
Pee Wee's Playhouse - The talking head in a box was funny at time.
Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer - The one hit wonder of the list. It was a great show. Classic. But it was only one show and it just can't compare the rest of the list.
My selections:
The Cosby Show
The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
Very Surprised the Following weren't considered:
Law & Order
CSI
American Idol
Survivor
E.R.
Meet the Press
The Today Show
The Ophra Winfrey Show
Absolutely Fabulous
Good Times
The Jeffersons
The Brady Bunch
Happy Days
Gilligan's Island
The Love Boat
The Odd Couple
I could actually keep going. There should have been 5 or 6 TV slots in this thing.
20 points
All In The Family - Simply the greatest sitcom. greatest show, and the greatest character (Archie Bunker) in television history. Only one other show on this list had the success this one did.
Hill Street Blues - The standard for all television dramas.
19 points
Saturday Night Live - Longevity and cultural impact here go a long way. The good years were fantastic, but the bad years were painful. Still, it's SNL.
M*A*S*H - Another great show whose final episode generated a Super Bowl audience. It will likely be in syndication forever.
18 points
I Love Lucy - The gold standard of American television. Syndicated around the world and one of the few shows to leave the screen on top of everyone else.
60 Minutes - one of the most watched, longest lasting culturally significant news shows in TV history.
17 points
Sesame Street - The most important children's television in TV history, not to mention the longest lasting. Versions of it encompass the globe in different languages and cultures.
The Sopranos - HBO's ultimate mob show. It might be HBO's best offering for series drama series.
16 points
Roots - One of, if not the, most powerful mini series events in TV history. It's the only show, joining MASH, that put up Super Bowl ratings.
Seinfeld - The most powerful show in current TV history. It's a syndication powerhouse, it's story lines and catch phrases are part of general American lexicon.
15 points
The Wire - I know I'm getting hit for this one as it dropped out of the top 10, but I think longevity and lack of syndication will be a problem for this, albeit great, show.
The Simpsons - 20 years for this show. It might just stay on TV forever.
14 points
The Civil War - Another great great miniseries that captured the nation.
Cheers - Another one of NBC's highly successful sitcoms.
13 points
Band of Brothers - Probably one of my personal favorites there is little wrong with this short lived show.
South Park - It might be more culturally biting then The Simpsons, and to some it might be funnier. But it has a long way to go be considered on the same level. Still, it's damn funny.
12 points
The Andy Griffith Show - Another show that will probably live in syndication forever.
Lonesome Dove - Rock solid mini series.
11 points
Twin Peaks - This show had almost a cult following and ended sooner then many wanted, but it was a top notch show that was just unlucky ratings wise.
Planet Earth - one of the most spectacular nature shows in TV history. Time will tell if sustains its greatness, but it is amazing to see.
10 points
The Ed Sullivan Show - A TV icon and a show that was part of the family for millions.
Battlestar Galatica - The new version of this 70's cult favorite was some of the best television of this decade. A sci-fi story, it captured audiences not common to sci-fi.
9 points
Dr. Who - The classic British offereing that is the longest running sci-fi show in the world.
The Mary Tyler Moore Show - a critically acclaimed feminist sitcom that changed TV culture for women and female characters.
8 points
The Honeymooners - Only 39 episodes hurt this iconic show, but it was an ispiration for a ton of shows and methods of sit-com.
Frasier - Arguably funnier and better written then its parent show, Cheers, it didn't capture the nation the way many of the above shows did, nor are its characters part of our culture.
7 points
The West Wing - A solid drama with excellent acting and a long run have made this a syndication favorite.
Monty Python's Flying Circus - You either love them or hate them.
6 points
Star Trek - The original series wasn't as good at TV as the later ones, but it sparked an empire and a whole new universe that nothing else on this list can come close to claiming.
Twilight Zone - A classic television gift that keeps on giving every year in marathons.
5 points
Deadwood - Died way too young. The first season was perhaps the best tv in a long, long time. The lack of longevity really hurts what could have been an iconic show.
The X-Files - Some of it was great. Some of it sucked. There was little in between.
4 points
Fawlty Towers - One of Britian's funniest shows. It lacks longevity, but it still is a show loved oversease.
Top Gear - A solid show that claims 350 million viewers worldwide. Impressive. Boys and their cars....
3 points
Neon Genesis Evangelion - An animae titan of a show.
Dekalog - A mini-series focused on the 10 Commandments that doesn't have the cultural significance or longevity of most of the rest of the list.
2 points
Pee Wee's Playhouse - The talking head in a box was funny at time.
Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer - The one hit wonder of the list. It was a great show. Classic. But it was only one show and it just can't compare the rest of the list.
My selections:
The Cosby Show
The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
Very Surprised the Following weren't considered:
Law & Order
CSI
American Idol
Survivor
E.R.
Meet the Press
The Today Show
The Ophra Winfrey Show
Absolutely Fabulous
Good Times
The Jeffersons
The Brady Bunch
Happy Days
Gilligan's Island
The Love Boat
The Odd Couple
I could actually keep going. There should have been 5 or 6 TV slots in this thing.
Last edited by a moderator:
Dungeon Master
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I moved everything around in there so much that some of the sentences are off. Trying to fix.....
timschochet
Footballguy
Cosby Show- 18 points
Tonight Show With Johnny Carson- 12 points
Tonight Show With Johnny Carson- 12 points
Postradamus
Footballguy
I got grounded for hitting granma with my RagnarokWhere were you?
She was asking for it though. 
Abrantes
Footballguy
Think I mentioned this earlier, but Monty Python only getting 7 points is - fittingly - silly. Regardless of whether you love them or hate them, which will generally be the case with sketch comedy, I'd think their influence on televised comedy is undeniable. I realize you stated foreign television isn't your specialty, but...below Frasier? Seriously?
Last edited by a moderator:
krista4
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Fair.
timschochet
Footballguy
Postradamus
Footballguy
lightning bolt
lightning bolt
lightning bolt
lightning bolt
lightning bolt
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
A few quibbles but nothing that really sticks out badly. Pretty solid overall.Decent job in all 3 (were there more?) cats you judged.
I esp appreciate your contribution to have judges post tiers, encourage discussion and develope the final rankings from that.
A few people have gone off the deep end, but compared to the G.A.D. and W.G.D., I think in general the judging has been an improvement.
I think your idea was the primary reason for that.
rodg12
Footballguy
I very much considered those two. Couldn't justify talking either over my two picks though (The Sopranos and I Love Lucy). CSI should have been drafted. About to start its 10th season. Has been a ratings bonanza throughout. Has spawned two spin-off shows which have done well. Really a shame it didn't get drafted. It deserved to be.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Postradamus
Footballguy
Yeah but viewers doesn't make it a good show. I really can't stand any of the CSIs.
rodg12
Footballguy
Millions disagree with you.Yeah but viewers doesn't make it a good show. I really can't stand any of the CSIs.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Millions disagree with you.Yeah but viewers doesn't make it a good show. I really can't stand any of the CSIs.
Millions of people watch absolute crap every day.
timschochet
Footballguy
And once again, Yankee has decreed I'm not able to play in ANY reindeer games...
I'm just a misfit.
I'm just a misfit.
krista4
Footballguy
God should have come out with some more commandments so they could have extended it.
Last edited by a moderator:
Abrantes
Footballguy
God should have come out with some more commandments so they could have extended it.
krista4
Footballguy
No kidding.God should have come out with some more commandments so they could have extended it.
I love that movie.
simey
Footballguy
The Andy Griffith Show ending it's run in 1968 as the #1 show. Barney Fife is probably my all-time favorite sitcom character.
timschochet
Footballguy
Wildcard 1 Point
Survival Feats
Wilt Chamberlain’s claim of 20,000 women
How did I get talked into this?
To survive by eating your buddies is certainly a great acheivement. Beats out the Donner Party, in terms of sheer numbers. Does not beat out that guy who got his arm caught in a rock and cut it off. That's a real man. These guys are weak compared to that story. Cannibalism is a significant philosophical idea which should have been taken.
Wilt's feat could be argued (by him) as an issue of survival as well. The mathematics of his astounding activities defy imagination, so I won't try. He was a true giant. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing if the numbers are accurate; if it could somehow be proven, we might have to advance this pick all the way to the first tier.
Survival Feats
Wilt Chamberlain’s claim of 20,000 women
How did I get talked into this?
To survive by eating your buddies is certainly a great acheivement. Beats out the Donner Party, in terms of sheer numbers. Does not beat out that guy who got his arm caught in a rock and cut it off. That's a real man. These guys are weak compared to that story. Cannibalism is a significant philosophical idea which should have been taken.
Wilt's feat could be argued (by him) as an issue of survival as well. The mathematics of his astounding activities defy imagination, so I won't try. He was a true giant. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing if the numbers are accurate; if it could somehow be proven, we might have to advance this pick all the way to the first tier.
timschochet
Footballguy
Wildcard 2 Points
Stanley Cup
Pornography
I know, you're wondering what the connection is between these two picks. For me, I hardly ever watch hockey at all, but I watch a HELL of a lot of...well, never mind.
Both of these industries employ an awful lot of people.
Stanley Cup
Pornography
I know, you're wondering what the connection is between these two picks. For me, I hardly ever watch hockey at all, but I watch a HELL of a lot of...well, never mind.
Both of these industries employ an awful lot of people.
timschochet
Footballguy
Wildcard 3 Points
Cages
Red Rock Amphitheatre
A graphic novel, and you couldn't have picked Maus? (Never forget who your judges are.)
Cages
Red Rock Amphitheatre
A graphic novel, and you couldn't have picked Maus? (Never forget who your judges are.)
Last edited by a moderator:
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Actually, popularity is a leading indicator that something does indeed suck. I watched CSI twice. The first time simply to check it out; the second time to reaffirm my amazement that something could indeed suck so much.Millions disagree with you.
