Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Sounds good
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Official Great Works Draft (5 Viewers)
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
judging a haiku
the art of weighing nothing
fat air, thin chance, eh?!
the art of weighing nothing
fat air, thin chance, eh?!
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I predict it won't last that long.
phrozen
Footballguy
TidesofWar
Footballguy
Torn between three choices, but I will select.........................
1.08 - APOLLO 11
Man Lands On the Moon, and returns to tell about it
Wildcard
Amazing to me that only about 65 years after The Wright Brothers, we were able to build a ship and chart a course capable of sending humans to the surface of the moon - and back again." Thats one small step for man, one Giant LEAP for mankind" - Neil Armstrong
Man On The Moon
1.08 - APOLLO 11
Man Lands On the Moon, and returns to tell about it
Wildcard
Amazing to me that only about 65 years after The Wright Brothers, we were able to build a ship and chart a course capable of sending humans to the surface of the moon - and back again." Thats one small step for man, one Giant LEAP for mankind" - Neil Armstrong
Man On The Moon
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Fennis
Footballguy
I am the man from Nantucket. Nufced.
Fennis
Footballguy
I dont know if this is like Heating and AC, but I like it. I didnt even think about it, but it does open up another traing of throught for me. Good pick.
timschochet
Footballguy
As wildcard judge, I can tell you that an event like Apollo 11 would be ranked very high indeed...
...if it had actually happened.
...if it had actually happened.
rodg12
Footballguy
rodg12
Footballguy
Nice pick here. Definitely outside the box, but nice pick.
the moops
Footballguy
I would have picked the monkey in space instead.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
1.09 - LA COMMEDIA, Dante Alighieri
It gives me great pleasure to select the first example of written art in the draft. Some of you already know my passion for the Divine Comedy - Hell of a poem; a Heaven of verse; Purgatory, a world without it. My favorite horror story, my favorite love story, my favorite history, moral guide, call to reason. So beautiful, sublime, tactile, modern. One person may have written better, but not a piece as great as this.
In my prattling on about my projects, I've mentioned a play i been writing forever & a half on the week in 1816 when Percy & Mary Shelley, Lord Byron & Mary's sister (pregnant with his child), confined inside on a holiday of rough weather, held a ghost story telling contest to kill the time. From it came the two most famous horror stories of all time (which i, of course, cant mention here). the only of the three great writers not to leave a story on record was Shelley (the only mention of it was that it included a woman with eyes for nipples). Anyway, one of the great opportunities in writing this was to make up Shelley's story. I settled upon the tale of a poet who makes a deal with the devil to write the perfect ode. The most famous story of a deal with the devil came out only about 5 yrs b4, perfect since Shelley (and Byron) riffed on fresh fancy & old masters like Bill Maher or Jon Stewart on the events of the day. i had the devil, since the poet's motive was so pure, taking him down to see hell to make sure he wanted to make the deal, so i immersed myself in the Inferno & the aforementioned work and came out with a story (completed but never properly refined) which ain't half bad. the months i spent stealing from Dante were the best moments i've ever had with pen in hand, which i why i must have this & have it now. nufced
It gives me great pleasure to select the first example of written art in the draft. Some of you already know my passion for the Divine Comedy - Hell of a poem; a Heaven of verse; Purgatory, a world without it. My favorite horror story, my favorite love story, my favorite history, moral guide, call to reason. So beautiful, sublime, tactile, modern. One person may have written better, but not a piece as great as this.
In my prattling on about my projects, I've mentioned a play i been writing forever & a half on the week in 1816 when Percy & Mary Shelley, Lord Byron & Mary's sister (pregnant with his child), confined inside on a holiday of rough weather, held a ghost story telling contest to kill the time. From it came the two most famous horror stories of all time (which i, of course, cant mention here). the only of the three great writers not to leave a story on record was Shelley (the only mention of it was that it included a woman with eyes for nipples). Anyway, one of the great opportunities in writing this was to make up Shelley's story. I settled upon the tale of a poet who makes a deal with the devil to write the perfect ode. The most famous story of a deal with the devil came out only about 5 yrs b4, perfect since Shelley (and Byron) riffed on fresh fancy & old masters like Bill Maher or Jon Stewart on the events of the day. i had the devil, since the poet's motive was so pure, taking him down to see hell to make sure he wanted to make the deal, so i immersed myself in the Inferno & the aforementioned work and came out with a story (completed but never properly refined) which ain't half bad. the months i spent stealing from Dante were the best moments i've ever had with pen in hand, which i why i must have this & have it now. nufced
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Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
SEEI really didn't want to just tke my time putting a list together because I knew - from personal experience, naturally - that there would be other drafters more than ready to go. Whatever, I don't want to just go with a VBD pick in a category with limited choices. I'll be the first to dive in headfirst into one of the deeper categories, and the one that interests me the most. Screw waiting on it just because there's plenty of good choices to be had later on.TidesofWar said:Layne getting antsy??? Abrantes has been in and out of this thread this PM - does he know he can pick now?BobbyLayne said:4 User(s) are reading this topic (0 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
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Its critical accolades don't matter much to me here. I'm picking it based on the sheer perfection of the music itself. It feels like I've listened to it enough times to internalize every note and tone, but every listen still brings back the same joy I had hearing it for the first time.
1.06 Miles Davis' Kind of Blue (Album)
the moops
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
Interesting and solid pick with Apollo 11... lots of things I haven't even considered considering in here- but that one is probably the best of them... that's been drafted so far.
timschochet
Footballguy
That's great Krista, but do I have to draft French New Wave flicks to make you happy?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Tremendous start. A few of these may not have been on my initial top ten, but I really like all of the picks so far.Gonna be awhile before we see a truly bad pick. Especially with LB not drafting.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
our brief, torrid affair ended over Kurosawa, so that's a good place to start, tim.That's great Krista, but do I have to draft French New Wave flicks to make you happy?
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Alright, well if I'm judging the Inventions category...I'll be judging based on a few things. It's tough to explain without spotlighting, but hopefully you get the idea.
- the invention's impact today
- the invention's impact at the time it was invented
- the "innovation factor" (Was this invention way ahead of its time? Bonus points. Was it something that was going to be invented by someone else in the next 5-10 years if Person X didn't invent it? Not as many bonus points.)
Does this sound adequate?
- the invention's impact today
- the invention's impact at the time it was invented
- the "innovation factor" (Was this invention way ahead of its time? Bonus points. Was it something that was going to be invented by someone else in the next 5-10 years if Person X didn't invent it? Not as many bonus points.)
Does this sound adequate?
Fennis
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
at 1.10, Larry_Boy selects the UFC.
timschochet
Footballguy
Maybe we should have inserted a wrestling moves category...
Abrantes
Footballguy
Choose your next words carefully, sir.That's great Krista, but do I have to draft French New Wave flicks to make you happy?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I gotta say, the Moon Shot was both the biggest surprise and a heckuva good pick.
krista4
Footballguy
There is only one director from the French New Wave whose films I enjoy, but I loooooooove all of his. Now it's your job to figure out which guy it is. Bwaaaahahahahaha!I'll try to put together some criteria tomorrow. Or everyone can just wade through my 8 squillion posts in the Recently Viewed Movie Thread.That's great Krista, but do I have to draft French New Wave flicks to make you happy?
krista4
Footballguy
I think a couple of his movies are just about perfect, but my love for Kurosawa is based more on body of work and versatility than one specific movie.our brief, torrid affair ended over Kurosawa, so that's a good place to start, tim.That's great Krista, but do I have to draft French New Wave flicks to make you happy?
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Depends on the judge's ruling on the picks themselves, but I will take it into account if your choice has been updated and enhanced for use in today's society. Like you pick something that was invented in 1200 but has been updated for today....that will be taken into account.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Like dancing the Robot after scoring a goal?
timschochet
Footballguy
I received this PM, and wanted to respond to it here:
First of all, if the treatise is a political document, there is another category for that now. This category is not meant to be nebulous. There are many philosophical and political ideas that are worth exploration. I can't get into it here without spotlighting. It has to be attributable to a specific time and place (though there may be more than one.) An idea like "freedom" would be too nebulous for this category.I'm thinking about inviting Gigantomachia to judge this category. I realize that people were upset with him (myself included) over his evaluations in the WGD, but to his credit, he defended himself well. And the type of complaints we had in the WGD (regarding whether or not certain people existed) will not be present here, since we're dealing with ideas, not people.
rodg12
Footballguy
Bonzai
Footballguy
Yeah get Gig in here, that should clear it up.
Bonzai
Footballguy
I would think it would have to go in the science category.
rodg12
Footballguy
That's where I had it in my rankings.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
1.11 El Floppo - Next Selection, clock is off
(until 10 a.m. Thursday)
1.12 Mister CIA - On Deck
1.13 Uncle Humuna - In The Hole
1.14 Bonzai
1.15 Bob Lee Swagger
(until 10 a.m. Thursday)
1.12 Mister CIA - On Deck
1.13 Uncle Humuna - In The Hole
1.14 Bonzai
1.15 Bob Lee Swagger
timschochet
Footballguy
Good morning. A concern about the philosophic category has been raised to me, and I'm not quite sure how to answer it. Someone wanted to draft a certain book that has major philosophical and poliitical ideas, and I replied that belongs in non-fiction. But then the person pointed out that if he did so, would this prevent someone else from drafting one or more of the "ideas" from that book in the philosophy/political category? Wouldn't there be overlap?
This also affects the last draft pick as well. Now that "Evolution" has been chosen, should someone still be allowed to draft the book where that idea came from?
My initial answer is yes, if they so choose, and we'll simply evaluate it separately in each category. In the same way, you could choose an album and someone else could choose a song off of that album.
Does everyone understand this? Please let me know here, not by PM, if it's still confusing. Does anyone have a complaint with this?
This also affects the last draft pick as well. Now that "Evolution" has been chosen, should someone still be allowed to draft the book where that idea came from?
My initial answer is yes, if they so choose, and we'll simply evaluate it separately in each category. In the same way, you could choose an album and someone else could choose a song off of that album.
Does everyone understand this? Please let me know here, not by PM, if it's still confusing. Does anyone have a complaint with this?
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
This all comes back to the Inspector Gadget question that I posed earlier, no?
krista4
Footballguy
:( Another great pick.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I'm going to be the guy that runs through the wall again, so to speak. I didn't do any PM's, but I'm guessing there is a question about the Bible because I've been flipping it around in my head as well as to where it would fit. Obviously, the bible or some parts of it are going to be drafted so spotlighting should not be an issue here, but if it is, then attack me again. I'm used to it.The Christian bible has two parts, and each part has several sub parts. The book is philosophical, theological, historical, political, heck you could probably even throw some military knowledge in there. It certainly isn't fiction(laughing by some aside as they read this) but is it just non-fiction. The problem you also have is that the Jewish Torah overlaps, so if you take the bible, can anyone else take the Torah? If you take the bible, can no one, then, select the Letter to the Romans, for example. Can the first 5 be broken out of the Old Testament as the Mosaic Law? And then the ideas and whatnot.I think we should allow the overlap in such instances. The fact of the matter is that the bible is many things to many people and can be viewed many many different ways. As a whole it stands by itself. But so can each part and idea. Solomon's wisdom is used by secular institutions, while the entirety of the bible isn't. It can be broken up and kept whole.Same with the Darwinian Evolution. The idea is something, but so is the book, as you mentioned. Honestly, given the extensive nature of this draft, and the ideal behind it, I don't think the overlap is a problem. Especially for such cases. Where you are going to have problems is in the discussion and judging, but isn't that kind of the point a little? Discourse?
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
If you pick Inspector Gadget, you get all his inventions too, IMO
rodg12
Footballguy
This could come into play in the invention category as well, with different picks in the same category (i.e. smaller inventions as part of larger inventions). Did we determine how we were going to handle that??I don't have a problem with the song/album overlap, that's to be expected. The theory/book overlap is different, however, because whereas an album is composed of multiple songs and the overlap will only occur on a couple songs, the situation could exist where a book is entirely about the theory. In this case, I don't know how they can both be drafted since they're essentially about the same 'work.'
Bonzai
Footballguy
If you pick Inspector Gadget, you get all his inventions too, IMO
Postradamus
Footballguy
I feel like the Bible should be drafted by Book, Act, or Gospel... I wondered about it as well, but figured it wasn't worth drafting at all if there was going to be ambiguity about it.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
timschochet
Footballguy
Since Yankee brought up the Bible, this was the item I was referring to when I said it would have to be split up into two parts. I realize that people can argue it should be several parts, but that's too much to deal with in this draft. If you want the Bible, you must select either the Old Testament or the New Testament. Each will be treated as a non-fiction book. So far as I know, the Bible is the only religious document that needs to be divided.
"Non-fiction" means that the authors intended it to be read as non-fiction.
So far as inventions go, we'll have to play it by ear when these situations come up. I know this is confusing, but there's really no other fair way to do this.
"Non-fiction" means that the authors intended it to be read as non-fiction.
So far as inventions go, we'll have to play it by ear when these situations come up. I know this is confusing, but there's really no other fair way to do this.
rodg12
Footballguy
I was thinking about this as well, but what's a great works draft if probably the most impactful works in the history of (wo)man-kind aren't included? Know what I mean?
