Official Great Works Draft (2 Viewers)

[mad sweeney]

A couple great makeup picks not getting enough love:

12.10 El Floppo Acting Performance- Daniel Day Lewis, My Left Foot

One of the many criticisms of the Academy over the years is the easiest path to Best Actor is play someone with a disability. This one doesn't get lumped in with that, Lewis was amazing.

13.01 Fennis T.V. Show All In The Family

Great show that tackled a lot of societal issues. How many sitcoms spun off from this one? No doubt I'll leave a few off, but Sanford & Son, The Jefferson's and Maude were the three best ones. Norman Lear was dominant in that genre in the 70s.

Also loved the Merryl Streep pick; not sure if Sophie is the best choice, but only because she has turned in so many stellar performances. Nearly everyone who has or will get nominated in this category has had stinker roles. I don't know any actor, male or female, who is as consistent as Streep. She is simply great at her craft, probably the best of our era.

Regarding the Beatles, I hope wikkidpissah gives SPLHCB strong consideration for #1. It's another deep category, but as far as rock n roll albums go, that one broke the mold. It was the first popular concept album, and the recording industry was changed forever.

Paintings are getting better as the rounds roll on; after 12 picks I felt like we only had 5-6 top shelf quality picks, but we've had several great picks lately - Nimphee isn't my favorite Monet, but still keeps the streak going of about 5 or 6 straight terrific selections in the category. Still, plenty of 'big ones' out there. Going to be fun sorting this one out.

Not that I have anything against SPLHCB, but I would take issue with it being called the first popular concept album. Pet Sounds was most certainly a concept album, it was popular, and it directly influenced the end product that became SPLHCB. I wouldn't object at all to Sgt. Pepper being #1 overall, but one of the reasons I wanted Pet Sounds was because it's not only an exceptional album in it's own right and a clear masterpiece, it defined the modern concept album a year before Sgt. Pepper was released and it directly influenced Sgt. Pepper. With regard to acting performances, and other genres for that matter, I think influence on future performances is an important criteria. If someone does something great but nobody ever follows or emulates, it's difficult to judge it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so when one performance or piece of art is a clear and direct influence on subsequent art, I think it deserves exceptional recognition.

It's very true (though "exceptional" is bit strong), but it doesn't always mean that the latter isn't as good or better than the former. It is possible to outdo the greatness that came before you. I did say that historical context will be taken into account. However, influence on future perfomrnces is not really a criteria I place too high in the context of this draft. The most important part is creating the character within the context of the film. Influence on future generations would be a greater import if the actor were being judged, but I will be looking at the performance itself, not the actor's overall greatness and influence.

 

[Fennis]

13.13 Nimphee - Claude Monet (Painting)

One of the biggets problems with Monet in this draft is he painted in series. The dude painted hundreds in a series in water lillies. Can you link to the painting you took?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Arguing SPLHCB v. Pet Sounds is silly; they're both clear top 3 IMO, depending on the mood for the day either could be #1 or #3 (or wherever wikkid wants them).

I would take issue with it being called the first popular concept album.

Semantics...one was a dominant chart topper; the other had no number one singles and snuck into the upper end of the top ten for album sales. Yours got there first, so nanananabooboo for TidesofWar.

 

[BobbyLayne]

13.13 Nimphee - Claude Monet (Painting)

One of the biggets problems with Monet in this draft is he painted in series. The dude painted hundreds in a series in water lillies. Can you link to the painting you took?

Go take a look at the Notre Dame series and tell me which one is better. Bit maddening.

 

[Mister CIA]

It's very true (though "exceptional" is bit strong), but it doesn't always mean that the latter isn't as good or better than the former. It is possible to outdo the greatness that came before you. I did say that historical context will be taken into account. However, influence on future perfomrnces is not really a criteria I place too high in the context of this draft. The most important part is creating the character within the context of the film. Influence on future generations would be a greater import if the actor were being judged, but I will be looking at the performance itself, not the actor's overall greatness and influence.

What do you think about so-called supporting actors cracking the charts in this draft? One of my all-time favorite performances is by a supporting actor that I'll seriously consider drafting, though I'm more likely to draft the movie (me being a sucker for middle of nowhere settings).

 

[wikkidpissah]

i discussed earlier how i felt about SPLHCB - suffice it to say that i will be rating the album higher than my taste for it (which would place it about 5th among BEATLES albums alone). it is as weak musically as it is important historically (as the door thru which rock & roll went to become rock). i will also have an anonymous sounding-board judge filtering my pix in all 3 cats i rate, in the name of fairness.

 

[mad sweeney]

It's very true (though "exceptional" is bit strong), but it doesn't always mean that the latter isn't as good or better than the former. It is possible to outdo the greatness that came before you. I did say that historical context will be taken into account. However, influence on future perfomrnces is not really a criteria I place too high in the context of this draft. The most important part is creating the character within the context of the film. Influence on future generations would be a greater import if the actor were being judged, but I will be looking at the performance itself, not the actor's overall greatness and influence.

What do you think about so-called supporting actors cracking the charts in this draft? One of my all-time favorite performances is by a supporting actor that I'll seriously consider drafting, though I'm more likely to draft the movie (me being a sucker for middle of nowhere settings).

A great performance is a great performance. Screen time isn't a major issue. Can't say more without spotlighting.

 

[BobbyLayne]

With regard to acting performances, and other genres for that matter, I think influence on future performances is an important criteria. If someone does something great but nobody ever follows or emulates, it's difficult to judge it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so when one performance or piece of art is a clear and direct influence on subsequent art, I think it deserves exceptional recognition.

It's very true (though "exceptional" is bit strong), but it doesn't always mean that the latter isn't as good or better than the former. It is possible to outdo the greatness that came before you. I did say that historical context will be taken into account. However, influence on future perfomrnces is not really a criteria I place too high in the context of this draft. The most important part is creating the character within the context of the film. Influence on future generations would be a greater import if the actor were being judged, but I will be looking at the performance itself, not the actor's overall greatness and influence.

Very good point. Genedoc didn't participate in the other two drafts (Greatest American and Worlds Greatest), but he seems hung up on the major themes of those - 'whole body of work', and 'influence'.We're judging great works or great performances. One-hit wonders, so to speak, work better in this draft than the other two where we were drafting people. We are judging Bob Beamon's miraculous jump in Mexico City, not how he did over the course of his career. De Niro has taken on some crap projects in the last 10-15 years, but that has no effect on judging Travis Bickle.

I can tell you right now that the Painting category is not weighing "clear and direct influence on subsequent art" very heavily. That is actually something of a relief, just being able to compare one work against another without trying to value how much the artist impacted those who followed. Ground breaking technique is a consideration. However, lasting influence won't be preeminent - at least not to the extent if we were drafting people instead of works.

 

[Mister CIA]

With regard to acting performances, and other genres for that matter, I think influence on future performances is an important criteria. If someone does something great but nobody ever follows or emulates, it's difficult to judge it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so when one performance or piece of art is a clear and direct influence on subsequent art, I think it deserves exceptional recognition.

It's very true (though "exceptional" is bit strong), but it doesn't always mean that the latter isn't as good or better than the former. It is possible to outdo the greatness that came before you. I did say that historical context will be taken into account. However, influence on future perfomrnces is not really a criteria I place too high in the context of this draft. The most important part is creating the character within the context of the film. Influence on future generations would be a greater import if the actor were being judged, but I will be looking at the performance itself, not the actor's overall greatness and influence.

Very good point. Genedoc didn't participate in the other two drafts (Greatest American and Worlds Greatest), but he seems hung up on the major themes of those - 'whole body of work', and 'influence'.We're judging great works or great performances. One-hit wonders, so to speak, work better in this draft than the other two where we were drafting people. We are judging Bob Beamon's miraculous jump in Mexico City, not how he did over the course of his career. De Niro has taken on some crap projects in the last 10-15 years, but that has no effect on judging Travis Bickle.

I can tell you right now that the Painting category is not weighing "clear and direct influence on subsequent art" very heavily. That is actually something of a relief, just being able to compare one work against another without trying to value how much the artist impacted those who followed. Ground breaking technique is a consideration. However, lasting influence won't be preeminent - at least not to the extent if we were drafting people instead of works.

I missed this earlier. For the most part, I'm purposely not letting a work's influence influence my choices (influence² ). In fact, I'd like to give more credit to those great works that resemble lighting in a bottle. ... just my way of looking at it.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I trust the judges. At most open it to votes within the drafting pool.

Mainly Im here to learn a few new things and enjoy the process.

Judges rankings are enough for me, or take the suggestion to conduct the voting by PM, open to Drafters and Judges only.

Learning new things is the most enjoyable aspect of the draft. I hope we continue to have good discussion about the picks.

One thing I have enjoyed about the G.W.D. is there has been far less of the distasteful self-pimping.

In the G.A.D. and W.G.D. it was a bit excessive, which turns it into a tedious tape measure contest.

 

[Genedoc]

With regard to acting performances, and other genres for that matter, I think influence on future performances is an important criteria. If someone does something great but nobody ever follows or emulates, it's difficult to judge it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so when one performance or piece of art is a clear and direct influence on subsequent art, I think it deserves exceptional recognition.

It's very true (though "exceptional" is bit strong), but it doesn't always mean that the latter isn't as good or better than the former. It is possible to outdo the greatness that came before you. I did say that historical context will be taken into account. However, influence on future perfomrnces is not really a criteria I place too high in the context of this draft. The most important part is creating the character within the context of the film. Influence on future generations would be a greater import if the actor were being judged, but I will be looking at the performance itself, not the actor's overall greatness and influence.

Very good point. Genedoc didn't participate in the other two drafts (Greatest American and Worlds Greatest), but he seems hung up on the major themes of those - 'whole body of work', and 'influence'.We're judging great works or great performances. One-hit wonders, so to speak, work better in this draft than the other two where we were drafting people. We are judging Bob Beamon's miraculous jump in Mexico City, not how he did over the course of his career. De Niro has taken on some crap projects in the last 10-15 years, but that has no effect on judging Travis Bickle.

I can tell you right now that the Painting category is not weighing "clear and direct influence on subsequent art" very heavily. That is actually something of a relief, just being able to compare one work against another without trying to value how much the artist impacted those who followed. Ground breaking technique is a consideration. However, lasting influence won't be preeminent - at least not to the extent if we were drafting people instead of works.

This is fun. I agree arguing Pet Sounds vs. Sgt. Pepper is somewhat trivial, but to me, that's part of the fun. I wouldn't say I'm hung up on whole bodies of work at all. However, I do think influence upon future artists/fields of study is important and should be considered when judging any category. A painting, song, or discovery that created new grounds or changed paradigms should be noted as such. Basically, I think it's one important criteria. Not the most important one necessarily, but certainly something to consider.

Beamon is a great example. He was a one hit wonder, and I know nothing about his life or him personally. However, that one performance cast a huge shadow on a whole generation of track stars. It was both great in and of itself, AND it influenced an entire generation of stars. Same thing with something like Sgt. Pepper or Pet Sounds or Brando in On the Waterfront - great performances AND wildly influential on future endeavors in their respective fields. If compared to great performances that didn't change things that came after them, I give an edge to paradigm shifting. Take for example the all time single season save record that K-Rod broke last year. A great individual performance stretched out over an entire season, no doubt. However, the sport has not fundamentally changed because of it.

Anyway, in case it isn't clear...I'm having a ball both participating in the draft and "arguing" over the minutia of what is "great".

 

[jmp]

Amazing Grace - Song

this is pick 13.14 btw.

 

[BobbyLayne]

With regard to acting performances, and other genres for that matter, I think influence on future performances is an important criteria. If someone does something great but nobody ever follows or emulates, it's difficult to judge it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so when one performance or piece of art is a clear and direct influence on subsequent art, I think it deserves exceptional recognition.

It's very true (though "exceptional" is bit strong), but it doesn't always mean that the latter isn't as good or better than the former. It is possible to outdo the greatness that came before you. I did say that historical context will be taken into account. However, influence on future perfomrnces is not really a criteria I place too high in the context of this draft. The most important part is creating the character within the context of the film. Influence on future generations would be a greater import if the actor were being judged, but I will be looking at the performance itself, not the actor's overall greatness and influence.

Very good point. Genedoc didn't participate in the other two drafts (Greatest American and Worlds Greatest), but he seems hung up on the major themes of those - 'whole body of work', and 'influence'.We're judging great works or great performances. One-hit wonders, so to speak, work better in this draft than the other two where we were drafting people. We are judging Bob Beamon's miraculous jump in Mexico City, not how he did over the course of his career. De Niro has taken on some crap projects in the last 10-15 years, but that has no effect on judging Travis Bickle.

I can tell you right now that the Painting category is not weighing "clear and direct influence on subsequent art" very heavily. That is actually something of a relief, just being able to compare one work against another without trying to value how much the artist impacted those who followed. Ground breaking technique is a consideration. However, lasting influence won't be preeminent - at least not to the extent if we were drafting people instead of works.

This is fun. I agree arguing Pet Sounds vs. Sgt. Pepper is somewhat trivial, but to me, that's part of the fun. I wouldn't say I'm hung up on whole bodies of work at all. However, I do think influence upon future artists/fields of study is important and should be considered when judging any category. A painting, song, or discovery that created new grounds or changed paradigms should be noted as such. Basically, I think it's one important criteria. Not the most important one necessarily, but certainly something to consider.

Beamon is a great example. He was a one hit wonder, and I know nothing about his life or him personally. However, that one performance cast a huge shadow on a whole generation of track stars. It was both great in and of itself, AND it influenced an entire generation of stars. Same thing with something like Sgt. Pepper or Pet Sounds or Brando in On the Waterfront - great performances AND wildly influential on future endeavors in their respective fields. If compared to great performances that didn't change things that came after them, I give an edge to paradigm shifting. Take for example the all time single season save record that K-Rod broke last year. A great individual performance stretched out over an entire season, no doubt. However, the sport has not fundamentally changed because of it.

Anyway, in case it isn't clear...I'm having a ball both participating in the draft and "arguing" over the minutia of what is "great".

Terrific post, very well said.Brando's On the Waterfront performance is a great one to discuss. Because of that he came to be known as the embodiment of The Method. That's fine, he deserves the enormous acclaim he has been given - but everyone seems to have forgotten a handful of New York actors developed and refined the technique on Broadway in the 30s and 40s. Marlon's screen presence popularized method acting, but if this were the invention category, we would shred him for not being the true pioneer - he was merely the conduit through which it was disseminated to a larger audience. There are literally scores of actors who attended the same acting school and sat at the feet of the same genius. Fate tapped him as being the one through whom it would be proselytized.

That said, it is still unquestionably one of the all-time best screen performances. It was a game changer.

 

[rodg12]

I trust the judges. At most open it to votes within the drafting pool.Mainly Im here to learn a few new things and enjoy the process.

My thoughts as well.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Tirnan - should we leave you on autoskip?

skipped picks

NONE

13.15 Bob Lee Swagger - Next

13.16 Scott Norwood (Anborn) - On Deck

13.17 DC Thunder - In The Hole

13.18 Genedoc (Bonzai)

13.19 Tirnan - autoskip

13.20 Yankee23Fan

14.01 Yankee23Fan

14.02 Tirnan - autoskip

14.03 Genedoc (Bonzai)

14.04 DC Thunder

14.05 Scott Norwood (Anborn)

14.06 Bob Lee Swagger

14.07 Misfit Blondes (jamyp)

14.08 Uncle Humana

14.09 Mister CIA

14.10 El Floppo

14.11 Thatguy

14.12 Wikkidpissah

14.13 Tides of War

14.14 BobbyLayne (Flysack)

14.15 Abrantes

14.16 Doug B

14.17 Timschochet

14.18 Postradamus

14.19 Rodg12

14.20 Krista4

15.01 Fennis

15.02 Rodg12

15.03 Postradamus

15.04 Timschochet

15.05 Doug B

15.06 Abrantes

15.07 BobbyLayne (Flysack)

15.08 TidesofWar

15.09 wikkidpissah

 

[Mister CIA]

Trying to dig deeper into my classical music exploration.

Spotlighting a pick I already made ... jaw-dropper - for those who have 33 minutes to burn.

Beethoven's 7th

 

[Uncle Humuna]

13.13 Nimphee - Claude Monet (Painting)

One of the biggets problems with Monet in this draft is he painted in series. The dude painted hundreds in a series in water lillies. Can you link to the painting you took?

ala LoTR, I took all of 'em . . .

 

[Tirnan]

Tirnan - should we leave you on autoskip?

Yes sir. Even on off time I don't want to hold things up. I'll drop in throughout the weekend, but life is hectic between work and family. If I get really excited for something (like I was for the assembly line) I'll PM it out to a few folks ahead of time.

 

[TidesofWar]

With regard to acting performances, and other genres for that matter, I think influence on future performances is an important criteria. If someone does something great but nobody ever follows or emulates, it's difficult to judge it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so when one performance or piece of art is a clear and direct influence on subsequent art, I think it deserves exceptional recognition.

It's very true (though "exceptional" is bit strong), but it doesn't always mean that the latter isn't as good or better than the former. It is possible to outdo the greatness that came before you. I did say that historical context will be taken into account. However, influence on future perfomrnces is not really a criteria I place too high in the context of this draft. The most important part is creating the character within the context of the film. Influence on future generations would be a greater import if the actor were being judged, but I will be looking at the performance itself, not the actor's overall greatness and influence.

Very good point. Genedoc didn't participate in the other two drafts (Greatest American and Worlds Greatest), but he seems hung up on the major themes of those - 'whole body of work', and 'influence'.We're judging great works or great performances. One-hit wonders, so to speak, work better in this draft than the other two where we were drafting people. We are judging Bob Beamon's miraculous jump in Mexico City, not how he did over the course of his career. De Niro has taken on some crap projects in the last 10-15 years, but that has no effect on judging Travis Bickle.

I can tell you right now that the Painting category is not weighing "clear and direct influence on subsequent art" very heavily. That is actually something of a relief, just being able to compare one work against another without trying to value how much the artist impacted those who followed. Ground breaking technique is a consideration. However, lasting influence won't be preeminent - at least not to the extent if we were drafting people instead of works.

This is fun. I agree arguing Pet Sounds vs. Sgt. Pepper is somewhat trivial, but to me, that's part of the fun. I wouldn't say I'm hung up on whole bodies of work at all. However, I do think influence upon future artists/fields of study is important and should be considered when judging any category. A painting, song, or discovery that created new grounds or changed paradigms should be noted as such. Basically, I think it's one important criteria. Not the most important one necessarily, but certainly something to consider.

Beamon is a great example. He was a one hit wonder, and I know nothing about his life or him personally. However, that one performance cast a huge shadow on a whole generation of track stars. It was both great in and of itself, AND it influenced an entire generation of stars. Same thing with something like Sgt. Pepper or Pet Sounds or Brando in On the Waterfront - great performances AND wildly influential on future endeavors in their respective fields. If compared to great performances that didn't change things that came after them, I give an edge to paradigm shifting. Take for example the all time single season save record that K-Rod broke last year. A great individual performance stretched out over an entire season, no doubt. However, the sport has not fundamentally changed because of it.

Anyway, in case it isn't clear...I'm having a ball both participating in the draft and "arguing" over the minutia of what is "great".

Looking at Pet Sounds and SGPLHCB - I think it should be considered what each band did with that foundationI think one clearly stands out in that case - One band actually did a remake with the "Fat Boys" ..................

 

[TidesofWar]

I am a bit melancholy that not one comment has been made over MLK's "I Have A Dream" oratory.

 

[timschochet]

I am a bit melancholy that not one comment has been made over MLK's "I Have A Dream" oratory.

It's not really a political document, is it? To be fair, neither is the Gettysburg address. These were speeches, and among the most important ever made. But not documents.

 

[TidesofWar]

I am a bit melancholy that not one comment has been made over MLK's "I Have A Dream" oratory.

It's not really a political document, is it? To be fair, neither is the Gettysburg address. These were speeches, and among the most important ever made. But not documents.

According to the rules, speeches are a part of the category.If not acceptable, please let me know - but I am getting the feeling you are are more about criticizing and #####ing about my selections than anything else.Did I take your girlfriend or something??Please tell me which speech IS a Political Document, so I have a reference point for contemplating my own stupidity

 

[Mister CIA]

I am a bit melancholy that not one comment has been made over MLK's "I Have A Dream" oratory.

It's not really a political document, is it? To be fair, neither is the Gettysburg address. These were speeches, and among the most important ever made. But not documents.

According to the rules, speeches are a part of the category.If not acceptable, please let me know - but I am getting the feeling you are are more about criticizing and #####ing about my selections than anything else.

Did I take your girlfriend or something??

Please tell me which speech IS a Political Document, so I have a reference point for contemplating my own stupidity

 

[timschochet]

I am a bit melancholy that not one comment has been made over MLK's "I Have A Dream" oratory.

It's not really a political document, is it? To be fair, neither is the Gettysburg address. These were speeches, and among the most important ever made. But not documents.

According to the rules, speeches are a part of the category.If not acceptable, please let me know - but I am getting the feeling you are are more about criticizing and #####ing about my selections than anything else.

Did I take your girlfriend or something??

Please tell me which speech IS a Political Document, so I have a reference point for contemplating my own stupidity

I'm not disallowing it, Tides. But it's not exactly in the rules. Here's what they say:treatise, court ruling acceptable. Must be from government, quasi-government, or group in revolt.

No mention of speeches one way or another.

I don't think I've ripped your picks in particular. Here's what I think of them:

Lightbulb Among the most important inventions ever.

Airplane Ditto.

Venus De Milo Gotta be top 5. I rank it #4, after David, Pieta, Thinker.

Citizen Kane Top 3 material. Will get a 20 and deserves it.

M*A*S*H* One of top 5 sitcoms ever. Way better than Honeymooners.

Great Sphinx, Empire State Among the most famous buildings in history. My criteria is a little different here; will explain later.

Phantom Love it, but not one of the greatest plays ever.

The Nutcracker As beautiful a composition as I have ever heard. I would rank it top 5, personally.

Sgt. Pepper I agree with the influence argument.

I Have A Dream One of the greatest speeches ever, just not sure it meets the category description.

Apollo Still the most innovative draft pick and sure to get one of the highest wc rankings.

Excellent draft so far; don't know why you think I wouldn't like it.

 

[TidesofWar]

I am a bit melancholy that not one comment has been made over MLK's "I Have A Dream" oratory.

It's not really a political document, is it? To be fair, neither is the Gettysburg address. These were speeches, and among the most important ever made. But not documents.

According to the rules, speeches are a part of the category.If not acceptable, please let me know - but I am getting the feeling you are are more about criticizing and #####ing about my selections than anything else.

Did I take your girlfriend or something??

Please tell me which speech IS a Political Document, so I have a reference point for contemplating my own stupidity

I'm not disallowing it, Tides. But it's not exactly in the rules. Here's what they say:treatise, court ruling acceptable. Must be from government, quasi-government, or group in revolt.

No mention of speeches one way or another.

I don't think I've ripped your picks in particular. Here's what I think of them:

Lightbulb Among the most important inventions ever.

Airplane Ditto.

Venus De Milo Gotta be top 5. I rank it #4, after David, Pieta, Thinker.

Citizen Kane Top 3 material. Will get a 20 and deserves it.

M*A*S*H* One of top 5 sitcoms ever. Way better than Honeymooners.

Great Sphinx, Empire State Among the most famous buildings in history. My criteria is a little different here; will explain later.

Phantom Love it, but not one of the greatest plays ever.

The Nutcracker As beautiful a composition as I have ever heard. I would rank it top 5, personally.

Sgt. Pepper I agree with the influence argument.

I Have A Dream One of the greatest speeches ever, just not sure it meets the category description.

Apollo Still the most innovative draft pick and sure to get one of the highest wc rankings.

Excellent draft so far; don't know why you think I wouldn't like it.

link to the FBG GWD google site, which I have been using as a reference for categories and what applies to each.............GWD Google site

Political Document (1) constitutions, manifestos, speeches, court rulings, treaties

If I am wrong in using this, I think I should be allowed to change the Category, or make an entirely different pickJMO - Have a Good Night

 

[timschochet]

link to the FBG GWD google site, which I have been using as a reference for categories and what applies to each.............

GWD Google site

Political Document (1) constitutions, manifestos, speeches, court rulings, treaties

If I am wrong in using this, I think I should be allowed to change the Category, or make an entirely different pickJMO - Have a Good Night

I don't know where they got that. But as I said, that's fine. I'm not refusing the selection.

 

[BobbyLayne]

link to the FBG GWD google site, which I have been using as a reference for categories and what applies to each.............

GWD Google site

Political Document (1) constitutions, manifestos, speeches, court rulings, treaties

If I am wrong in using this, I think I should be allowed to change the Category, or make an entirely different pickJMO - Have a Good Night

I don't know where they got that. But as I said, that's fine. I'm not refusing the selection.

Probably came from discussion; I distinctly remember Yankee23Fan mentioning speeches.The National Archives considers political speeches by elected leaders to be important political documents; there are at least a half dozen speeches listed among the 100 most important Milestone Documents on their website:

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/content.php?page=milestone

Of course, all of the listed addresses/speeches are by elected leaders; there are no speeches by private citizens on that list.

Will be interested to hear the category judges thoughts on this one.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Someone took my TV show. I'm not happy.

As for the speeches, I'm fine with them as political documents. Of course they have to be damn good to get up there with actual documents that have stood the test of time, but I have no problem with them in the discussion.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

13.13 Nimphee - Claude Monet (Painting)

One of the biggets problems with Monet in this draft is he painted in series. The dude painted hundreds in a series in water lillies. Can you link to the painting you took?

ala LoTR, I took all of 'em . . .

This was supposed to be schtick, but obviously wasn't very funny.But the problem remains, which Water Lilies/Nimphee/Nimphees/Les Nympheas am I picking?

Generally, in lists of "greatest paintings", the "one" housed in the Musee de l'Orangerie in Paris is the one referred to.

While I knew that he had a large series of Lilies, I didn't realize that:

Claude Monet had been painting waterlilies on vast canvases since 1914 at his Giverny studio. He worked on them until his death at 86. One year later in 1927, the Orangerie (an 1852 former orange green house in the Tuileries Garden), was transformed into a museum to house Monet's giant waterlily panels.

Eight panels were installed in two specially-designed, oval-shaped rooms in the Orangerie. Each panel is over six feet tall. If lined up side by side, they would measure nearly 300 feet long. They are magnificent!

I'm going to have to try and find individual shots of these if I have to pick a single one.Actually, I think I'm going to take this one from the MOMA, since it was the one that I've seen in person.

It knocked me on my #### as no other painting has, and made me instantly fall for Monet.

Even the MOMA has more than one of the series.

The one that gets the crowds is the 3-panel "Reflections of Clouds on the Water-Lily Pond".

But the one that really touched me was the single panel: "Water Lilies" (c. 1920).

Of course, I can't find a photo of it.

Upon thinking about it further, I think that we may want to make a special ruling here, since basically, if only a single one of the series can be taken,

everyone can draft one, nullifying the pick all together.

Tough call here, but I think that even if I can only draft a single painting, the series should be taken off the board.

 

[El Floppo]

13.13 Nimphee - Claude Monet (Painting)

One of the biggets problems with Monet in this draft is he painted in series. The dude painted hundreds in a series in water lillies. Can you link to the painting you took?

ala LoTR, I took all of 'em . . .

This was supposed to be schtick, but obviously wasn't very funny.But the problem remains, which Water Lilies/Nimphee/Nimphees/Les Nympheas am I picking?

Generally, in lists of "greatest paintings", the "one" housed in the Musee de l'Orangerie in Paris is the one referred to.

While I knew that he had a large series of Lilies, I didn't realize that:

Claude Monet had been painting waterlilies on vast canvases since 1914 at his Giverny studio. He worked on them until his death at 86. One year later in 1927, the Orangerie (an 1852 former orange green house in the Tuileries Garden), was transformed into a museum to house Monet's giant waterlily panels.

Eight panels were installed in two specially-designed, oval-shaped rooms in the Orangerie. Each panel is over six feet tall. If lined up side by side, they would measure nearly 300 feet long. They are magnificent!

I'm going to have to try and find individual shots of these if I have to pick a single one.Actually, I think I'm going to take this one from the MOMA, since it was the one that I've seen in person.

It knocked me on my #### as no other painting has, and made me instantly fall for Monet.

Even the MOMA has more than one of the series.

The one that gets the crowds is the 3-panel "Reflections of Clouds on the Water-Lily Pond".

But the one that really touched me was the single panel: "Water Lilies" (c. 1920).

Of course, I can't find a photo of it.

Upon thinking about it further, I think that we may want to make a special ruling here, since basically, if only a single one of the series can be taken,

everyone can draft one, nullifying the pick all together.

Tough call here, but I think that even if I can only draft a single painting, the series should be taken off the board.

I think this is similar to the Thailand Structure pick... large complex with lots of buildings- perhaps- worthy of selection. I am ruling with Structures that I will consider the single building chosen to be representative of the site at large- unless somebody else chooses to take another building from the site, in whcih case the buildings get judged individually.Hmmm... the Water Lilly series is pretty expansive though, and more likely that somebody else will take another of the series (although Monet has enough non-water lillies that IMO it would be silly to do so).

I think you pick one and stick with it.

fwiw- has anybody else been to Giverny? I went as a kid and was struck that maybe Monet wasn't so impressionistic after all... the whole place shimmers and those paintings come across as remarkably... kinda... realistic.

 

[Genedoc]

With regard to acting performances, and other genres for that matter, I think influence on future performances is an important criteria. If someone does something great but nobody ever follows or emulates, it's difficult to judge it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so when one performance or piece of art is a clear and direct influence on subsequent art, I think it deserves exceptional recognition.

It's very true (though "exceptional" is bit strong), but it doesn't always mean that the latter isn't as good or better than the former. It is possible to outdo the greatness that came before you. I did say that historical context will be taken into account. However, influence on future perfomrnces is not really a criteria I place too high in the context of this draft. The most important part is creating the character within the context of the film. Influence on future generations would be a greater import if the actor were being judged, but I will be looking at the performance itself, not the actor's overall greatness and influence.

Very good point. Genedoc didn't participate in the other two drafts (Greatest American and Worlds Greatest), but he seems hung up on the major themes of those - 'whole body of work', and 'influence'.We're judging great works or great performances. One-hit wonders, so to speak, work better in this draft than the other two where we were drafting people. We are judging Bob Beamon's miraculous jump in Mexico City, not how he did over the course of his career. De Niro has taken on some crap projects in the last 10-15 years, but that has no effect on judging Travis Bickle.

I can tell you right now that the Painting category is not weighing "clear and direct influence on subsequent art" very heavily. That is actually something of a relief, just being able to compare one work against another without trying to value how much the artist impacted those who followed. Ground breaking technique is a consideration. However, lasting influence won't be preeminent - at least not to the extent if we were drafting people instead of works.

This is fun. I agree arguing Pet Sounds vs. Sgt. Pepper is somewhat trivial, but to me, that's part of the fun. I wouldn't say I'm hung up on whole bodies of work at all. However, I do think influence upon future artists/fields of study is important and should be considered when judging any category. A painting, song, or discovery that created new grounds or changed paradigms should be noted as such. Basically, I think it's one important criteria. Not the most important one necessarily, but certainly something to consider.

Beamon is a great example. He was a one hit wonder, and I know nothing about his life or him personally. However, that one performance cast a huge shadow on a whole generation of track stars. It was both great in and of itself, AND it influenced an entire generation of stars. Same thing with something like Sgt. Pepper or Pet Sounds or Brando in On the Waterfront - great performances AND wildly influential on future endeavors in their respective fields. If compared to great performances that didn't change things that came after them, I give an edge to paradigm shifting. Take for example the all time single season save record that K-Rod broke last year. A great individual performance stretched out over an entire season, no doubt. However, the sport has not fundamentally changed because of it.

Anyway, in case it isn't clear...I'm having a ball both participating in the draft and "arguing" over the minutia of what is "great".

Terrific post, very well said.Brando's On the Waterfront performance is a great one to discuss. Because of that he came to be known as the embodiment of The Method. That's fine, he deserves the enormous acclaim he has been given - but everyone seems to have forgotten a handful of New York actors developed and refined the technique on Broadway in the 30s and 40s. Marlon's screen presence popularized method acting, but if this were the invention category, we would shred him for not being the true pioneer - he was merely the conduit through which it was disseminated to a larger audience. There are literally scores of actors who attended the same acting school and sat at the feet of the same genius. Fate tapped him as being the one through whom it would be proselytized.

That said, it is still unquestionably one of the all-time best screen performances. It was a game changer.

No argument from me at all, but this is true of nearly every invention, artistic movement, and/or discovery we know of. It's frequently the case where those who get the credit weren't necessarily the very first to do something, but one of the first who were in the right place/right time and were prepared enough to take advantage of their situation. Take for example Watson and Crick, who get the lion's share of the credit for discovering the structure of DNA. They didn't do it alone by any stretch of the imagination. Rosalind Franklin, Maurice Wilkins, and Raymond Gosling were integral parts of the process as well. From my own much more meager research experience, I've found it to be quite true that to do something remarkable, exceptional, and paradigm shifting, you've got to be BOTH extraordinarily talented and lucky. You've got to be in the right place at the right time AND capable putting all of the pieces to a complex puzzle together.

 

[BobbyLayne]

13.13 Nimphee - Claude Monet (Painting)

One of the biggets problems with Monet in this draft is he painted in series. The dude painted hundreds in a series in water lillies. Can you link to the painting you took?

ala LoTR, I took all of 'em . . .

This was supposed to be schtick, but obviously wasn't very funny.But the problem remains, which Water Lilies/Nimphee/Nimphees/Les Nympheas am I picking?

Generally, in lists of "greatest paintings", the "one" housed in the Musee de l'Orangerie in Paris is the one referred to.

While I knew that he had a large series of Lilies, I didn't realize that:

Claude Monet had been painting waterlilies on vast canvases since 1914 at his Giverny studio. He worked on them until his death at 86. One year later in 1927, the Orangerie (an 1852 former orange green house in the Tuileries Garden), was transformed into a museum to house Monet's giant waterlily panels.

Eight panels were installed in two specially-designed, oval-shaped rooms in the Orangerie. Each panel is over six feet tall. If lined up side by side, they would measure nearly 300 feet long. They are magnificent!

I'm going to have to try and find individual shots of these if I have to pick a single one.Actually, I think I'm going to take this one from the MOMA, since it was the one that I've seen in person.

It knocked me on my #### as no other painting has, and made me instantly fall for Monet.

Even the MOMA has more than one of the series.

The one that gets the crowds is the 3-panel "Reflections of Clouds on the Water-Lily Pond".

But the one that really touched me was the single panel: "Water Lilies" (c. 1920).

Of course, I can't find a photo of it.

Upon thinking about it further, I think that we may want to make a special ruling here, since basically, if only a single one of the series can be taken,

everyone can draft one, nullifying the pick all together.

Tough call here, but I think that even if I can only draft a single painting, the series should be taken off the board.

Choose one painting, please.I'm loathe to take 250 paintings off the board, but I know in this case, if another was drafted, I would probably discount the 2nd pick. Monet had another famous series for which several theoretically could be drafted, but I'm inclined to give a much greater weight to the first one that goes - unless someone chokes and takes a lesser work, leaving a masterpiece out there; don't see that happening but you never know.

Several impressionist and post-impressionist artist painted series of the same subject matter. I don't think one being drafted should automatically exclude all the others, but in effect, I think that is what will happen, right? The best solution is to look at it case-by-case. I don't want to set a precedent that locks us into excluding a group of paintings once one of them gets drafted - seems like we could run across a case where that might backfire.

As far as Water Lilies (or Nympheas) goes, others in the series are still on the board. However, it might be in your best interest to look elsewhere. You would need convincing evidence that the 2nd draft pick differentiates itself from the 1st in some exceptional way.

Everyone cool with that?

 

[Uncle Humuna]

If this is the case, I'm gonna switch back to my original pick of the "one" in the Orangerie.

Do I need to pick a specific panel?

 

[TidesofWar]

link to the FBG GWD google site, which I have been using as a reference for categories and what applies to each.............

GWD Google site

Political Document (1) constitutions, manifestos, speeches, court rulings, treaties

If I am wrong in using this, I think I should be allowed to change the Category, or make an entirely different pickJMO - Have a Good Night

I don't know where they got that. But as I said, that's fine. I'm not refusing the selection.

Probably came from discussion; I distinctly remember Yankee23Fan mentioning speeches.The National Archives considers political speeches by elected leaders to be important political documents; there are at least a half dozen speeches listed among the 100 most important Milestone Documents on their website:

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/content.php?page=milestone

Of course, all of the listed addresses/speeches are by elected leaders; there are no speeches by private citizens on that list.

Will be interested to hear the category judges thoughts on this one.

If the American Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s is considered Political in nature, then I would think this qualifies.This speech from August 1963 was a catalyst for the July 1964 Civil Rights Act which outlawed segregation and also established the EEOC.

HOWEVER - if the judges think this is not a fit for Political Doc, I would prefer to move it to WC or maybe just find another pick.

Let Freedom Ring

 

[BobbyLayne]

I was searching for the 1920 Watler Lillies - you must have looked on the MoMA site, I see there is no image.

Are you referring to the oval room at the Orangerie museum that was built specifically to display the triptych? You can have all three panels...no bonus points for quantity.

 

[Bob Lee Swagger]

13.15 - St. Peter's Baldachin/Baldacchino - Gian Lorenzo Bernini - Sculpture

Posting this from my iPhone, not sure if the sculpture judge/the triumvirate will accept this in sculpture, but it Was sculpted. Let me know the ruling and if we don't want to accept it in sculpture I'll either take it as a structure or re-pick, yeah?

Don't hold up just to wait for my ruling, though. Please proceed!

 

[ScottNorwood]

13.16 Nuclear Reactor (invention)



You know, boys, a nuclear reactor is a lot like a woman. You just have to read the manual and press the right buttons.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

I was searching for the 1920 Watler Lillies - you must have looked on the MoMA site, I see there is no image.Are you referring to the oval room at the Orangerie museum that was built specifically to display the triptych? You can have all three panels...no bonus points for quantity.

 

[krista4]

A couple great makeup picks not getting enough love:

12.10 El Floppo Acting Performance- Daniel Day Lewis, My Left Foot

One of the many criticisms of the Academy over the years is the easiest path to Best Actor is play someone with a disability. This one doesn't get lumped in with that, Lewis was amazing.

13.01 Fennis T.V. Show All In The Family

Great show that tackled a lot of societal issues. How many sitcoms spun off from this one? No doubt I'll leave a few off, but Sanford & Son, The Jefferson's and Maude were the three best ones. Norman Lear was dominant in that genre in the 70s.

Also loved the Merryl Streep pick; not sure if Sophie is the best choice, but only because she has turned in so many stellar performances. Nearly everyone who has or will get nominated in this category has had stinker roles. I don't know any actor, male or female, who is as consistent as Streep. She is simply great at her craft, probably the best of our era.

Regarding the Beatles, I hope wikkidpissah gives SPLHCB strong consideration for #1. It's another deep category, but as far as rock n roll albums go, that one broke the mold. It was the first popular concept album, and the recording industry was changed forever.

Paintings are getting better as the rounds roll on; after 12 picks I felt like we only had 5-6 top shelf quality picks, but we've had several great picks lately - Nimphee isn't my favorite Monet, but still keeps the streak going of about 5 or 6 straight terrific selections in the category. Still, plenty of 'big ones' out there. Going to be fun sorting this one out.

all around.I'm just catching up...went out for dinner last night, and the six of us showed up at the restaurant with 11 bottles. No way six people would finish all 11, right? Not only did we finish those, but we came back to my house and drank more.

 

[Genedoc]

A couple great makeup picks not getting enough love:

12.10 El Floppo Acting Performance- Daniel Day Lewis, My Left Foot

One of the many criticisms of the Academy over the years is the easiest path to Best Actor is play someone with a disability. This one doesn't get lumped in with that, Lewis was amazing.

13.01 Fennis T.V. Show All In The Family

Great show that tackled a lot of societal issues. How many sitcoms spun off from this one? No doubt I'll leave a few off, but Sanford & Son, The Jefferson's and Maude were the three best ones. Norman Lear was dominant in that genre in the 70s.

Also loved the Merryl Streep pick; not sure if Sophie is the best choice, but only because she has turned in so many stellar performances. Nearly everyone who has or will get nominated in this category has had stinker roles. I don't know any actor, male or female, who is as consistent as Streep. She is simply great at her craft, probably the best of our era.

Regarding the Beatles, I hope wikkidpissah gives SPLHCB strong consideration for #1. It's another deep category, but as far as rock n roll albums go, that one broke the mold. It was the first popular concept album, and the recording industry was changed forever.

Paintings are getting better as the rounds roll on; after 12 picks I felt like we only had 5-6 top shelf quality picks, but we've had several great picks lately - Nimphee isn't my favorite Monet, but still keeps the streak going of about 5 or 6 straight terrific selections in the category. Still, plenty of 'big ones' out there. Going to be fun sorting this one out.

all around.I'm just catching up...went out for dinner last night, and the six of us showed up at the restaurant with 11 bottles. No way six people would finish all 11, right? Not only did we finish those, but we came back to my house and drank more.

I work in the wine business and I'm interested in chatting with any group of 6 people who can knock back 11 bottles of wine between them. PM me if you're interested.

 

[krista4]

13.15 - St. Peter's Baldachin/Baldacchino - Gian Lorenzo Bernini - SculpturePosting this from my iPhone, not sure if the sculpture judge/the triumvirate will accept this in sculpture, but it Was sculpted. Let me know the ruling and if we don't want to accept it in sculpture I'll either take it as a structure or re-pick, yeah?Don't hold up just to wait for my ruling, though. Please proceed!

I don't see why it wouldn't be acceptable. And it is incredible--great pick I never would have thought of!

 

[krista4]

A couple great makeup picks not getting enough love:

12.10 El Floppo Acting Performance- Daniel Day Lewis, My Left Foot

One of the many criticisms of the Academy over the years is the easiest path to Best Actor is play someone with a disability. This one doesn't get lumped in with that, Lewis was amazing.

13.01 Fennis T.V. Show All In The Family

Great show that tackled a lot of societal issues. How many sitcoms spun off from this one? No doubt I'll leave a few off, but Sanford & Son, The Jefferson's and Maude were the three best ones. Norman Lear was dominant in that genre in the 70s.

Also loved the Merryl Streep pick; not sure if Sophie is the best choice, but only because she has turned in so many stellar performances. Nearly everyone who has or will get nominated in this category has had stinker roles. I don't know any actor, male or female, who is as consistent as Streep. She is simply great at her craft, probably the best of our era.

Regarding the Beatles, I hope wikkidpissah gives SPLHCB strong consideration for #1. It's another deep category, but as far as rock n roll albums go, that one broke the mold. It was the first popular concept album, and the recording industry was changed forever.

Paintings are getting better as the rounds roll on; after 12 picks I felt like we only had 5-6 top shelf quality picks, but we've had several great picks lately - Nimphee isn't my favorite Monet, but still keeps the streak going of about 5 or 6 straight terrific selections in the category. Still, plenty of 'big ones' out there. Going to be fun sorting this one out.

all around.I'm just catching up...went out for dinner last night, and the six of us showed up at the restaurant with 11 bottles. No way six people would finish all 11, right? Not only did we finish those, but we came back to my house and drank more.

I work in the wine business and I'm interested in chatting with any group of 6 people who can knock back 11 bottles of wine between them. PM me if you're interested.

Wait, you're in the wine business? I thought you were a doctor? Anyway, if you're serious, PM me. And it was 13-1/2, adding in the stuff we drank at my house. Oof.

 

[wikkidpissah]

And it was 13-1/2, adding in the stuff we drank at my house. Oof.

y'know that kind of drinking could lead to seriously impulsive behavior, like getting married on a whim or summin....

 

[DCThunder]

13.17--Броненосец «Потёмкин», The Battleship Potemkin--Film

This one is for Krista. Made in 1925 the silent film, Battleship Potemkin was made by director Sergi Eisenstein dramatized the mutiny on the Potemkin, a battleship in the Czarist fleet in 1905. This event was one of the first overt acts of revolution which led eventually to the Bolshevik Revolution if 1917 and the beginning of the USSR. Called one of the most influential propaganda films of all time, Battleship Potemkin was studied by Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, who called Potemkin "a marvellous film without equal in the cinema ... anyone who had no firm political conviction could become a Bolshevik after seeing the film."

The film also introduced the concept of montage to the lexicon of the film director, and the famous Odessa Steps sequence, where Cossacks march in unison down a flight of stpes shooting into and massacaring a crowd below, has been parodied and copied in many other films, including xxx Francis Ford Coppola's The Godfather, xxxx, Tibor Takacs' xxx, Laurel and Hardy's xxx_(film) and George Lucas's Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, and Chandrashekhar Narvekar's Hindi film xxx. Several films spoof it, including Woody Allen's xxx and xxx, Zucker, Abrahams, and Zucker's Naked xxxx⅓: xxx, Soviet-Polish comedy xxxand the Italian comedy "xxxxx"). Peter Sellers presented an homage to the sequence in his film "xxxxx;" during the "Free money" scene near the end, a line of businessmen descend the bank steps wielding their umbrellas like rifles. They also wore dresses.

So since I promised Krista a non-American film and this also fits into my Team Pinko theme from the WGD, I'll take this gem of a film.

 

[rodg12]

And it was 13-1/2, adding in the stuff we drank at my house. Oof.

y'know that kind of drinking could lead to seriously impulsive behavior, like getting married on a whim or summin....

 

[Genedoc]

A couple great makeup picks not getting enough love:

12.10 El Floppo Acting Performance- Daniel Day Lewis, My Left Foot

One of the many criticisms of the Academy over the years is the easiest path to Best Actor is play someone with a disability. This one doesn't get lumped in with that, Lewis was amazing.

13.01 Fennis T.V. Show All In The Family

Great show that tackled a lot of societal issues. How many sitcoms spun off from this one? No doubt I'll leave a few off, but Sanford & Son, The Jefferson's and Maude were the three best ones. Norman Lear was dominant in that genre in the 70s.

Also loved the Merryl Streep pick; not sure if Sophie is the best choice, but only because she has turned in so many stellar performances. Nearly everyone who has or will get nominated in this category has had stinker roles. I don't know any actor, male or female, who is as consistent as Streep. She is simply great at her craft, probably the best of our era.

Regarding the Beatles, I hope wikkidpissah gives SPLHCB strong consideration for #1. It's another deep category, but as far as rock n roll albums go, that one broke the mold. It was the first popular concept album, and the recording industry was changed forever.

Paintings are getting better as the rounds roll on; after 12 picks I felt like we only had 5-6 top shelf quality picks, but we've had several great picks lately - Nimphee isn't my favorite Monet, but still keeps the streak going of about 5 or 6 straight terrific selections in the category. Still, plenty of 'big ones' out there. Going to be fun sorting this one out.

all around.I'm just catching up...went out for dinner last night, and the six of us showed up at the restaurant with 11 bottles. No way six people would finish all 11, right? Not only did we finish those, but we came back to my house and drank more.

I work in the wine business and I'm interested in chatting with any group of 6 people who can knock back 11 bottles of wine between them. PM me if you're interested.

Wait, you're in the wine business? I thought you were a doctor? Anyway, if you're serious, PM me. And it was 13-1/2, adding in the stuff we drank at my house. Oof.

Short version, I've been in the wine business for ~ 1 year after having been a research scientist for 10+ years. Longer version here if anyone's interested. I'll send a PM.

 

[Abrantes]

13.17--Броненосец «Потёмкин», The Battleship Potemkin--Film

This one is for Krista. Made in 1925 the silent film, Battleship Potemkin was made by director Sergi Eisenstein dramatized the mutiny on the Potemkin, a battleship in the Czarist fleet in 1905. This event was one of the first overt acts of revolution which led eventually to the Bolshevik Revolution if 1917 and the beginning of the USSR. Called one of the most influential propaganda films of all time, Battleship Potemkin was studied by Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, who called Potemkin "a marvellous film without equal in the cinema ... anyone who had no firm political conviction could become a Bolshevik after seeing the film."

The film also introduced the concept of montage to the lexicon of the film director, and the famous Odessa Steps sequence, where Cossacks march in unison down a flight of stpes shooting into and massacaring a crowd below, has been parodied and copied in many other films, including Terry Gilliam's Brazil, Francis Ford Coppola's The Godfather, Brian De Palma's The Untouchables, Tibor Takacs' Deathline, Laurel and Hardy's The_Music_Box_(film) and George Lucas's Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, and Chandrashekhar Narvekar's Hindi film Tezaab. Several films spoof it, including Woody Allen's Bananas and Love and Death, Zucker, Abrahams, and Zucker's Naked Gun 33⅓: The Final Insult, Soviet-Polish comedy Deja Vu and the Italian comedy "il secondo tragico Fantozzi" (in English, "The Second Tragic Fantozzi Movie"). Peter Sellers presented an homage to the sequence in his film "The Magic Christian;" during the "Free money" scene near the end, a line of businessmen descend the bank steps wielding their umbrellas like rifles. They also wore dresses.

So since I promised Krista a non-American film and this also fits into my Team Pinko theme from the WGD, I'll take this gem of a film.

GREAT pick. Couldn't find room for it on my team, but I'm thrilled it made its way into the draft. Some of the most iconic imagery in film history.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Awesome pick, DC Thunder.

Would you and Abrantes remove the Naked Gun 33⅓ spotlighting? (are there ANY others that might also get drafted - didn't see any ) TIA

 

[TidesofWar]

13.17--Броненосец «Потёмкин», The Battleship Potemkin--Film

This one is for Krista. Made in 1925 the silent film, Battleship Potemkin was made by director Sergi Eisenstein dramatized the mutiny on the Potemkin, a battleship in the Czarist fleet in 1905. This event was one of the first overt acts of revolution which led eventually to the Bolshevik Revolution if 1917 and the beginning of the USSR. Called one of the most influential propaganda films of all time, Battleship Potemkin was studied by Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, who called Potemkin "a marvellous film without equal in the cinema ... anyone who had no firm political conviction could become a Bolshevik after seeing the film."

The film also introduced the concept of montage to the lexicon of the film director, and the famous Odessa Steps sequence, where Cossacks march in unison down a flight of stpes shooting into and massacaring a crowd below, has been parodied and copied in many other films, including Terry Gilliam's Brazil, Francis Ford Coppola's The Godfather, Brian De Palma's The Untouchables, Tibor Takacs' Deathline, Laurel and Hardy's The_Music_Box_(film) and George Lucas's Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, and Chandrashekhar Narvekar's Hindi film Tezaab. Several films spoof it, including Woody Allen's Bananas and Love and Death, Zucker, Abrahams, and Zucker's Naked Gun 33⅓: The Final Insult, Soviet-Polish comedy Deja Vu and the Italian comedy "il secondo tragico Fantozzi" (in English, "The Second Tragic Fantozzi Movie"). Peter Sellers presented an homage to the sequence in his film "The Magic Christian;" during the "Free money" scene near the end, a line of businessmen descend the bank steps wielding their umbrellas like rifles. They also wore dresses.

So since I promised Krista a non-American film and this also fits into my Team Pinko theme from the WGD, I'll take this gem of a film.

GREAT pick. Couldn't find room for it on my team, but I'm thrilled it made its way into the draft. Some of the most iconic imagery in film history.

Must not have realized Deliverance has not come off the Board yet

 

[BobbyLayne]

ToW - SEE above. Would really like us to avoid spotlighting when possible.