Official Great Works Draft (9 Viewers)

[krista4]

15.13 Twin Peaks - (Crap Box)

TV as art.

Who knew.

Great personal memories here.I was 26 and living in San Luis Obispo.

Had an awesome apartment downtown on the main drag.

(This was one of 3 apartments above a New York style deli, and the only apartments on the block.

2 band mates at the time had the middle apartment, and a good friend had the front one.

I was in the back one that had a sliding glass door that led out to the rooftops.)

Anyway, SLO had/has a weekly farmer's market on Thursday nights, also on the main drag.

It was always quite the scene.

When Twin Peaks came out, all of the crew who had been at farmer's market would shoot up to my apartment to watch David Lynch's weekly awesomeness.

Afterward, we'd hit the bars and usually end up partying on the roof til all hours of the night.

Amazing times.

Great story.

Yeah, in my opinion, the Super Bowl, though it's changed styles and networks over the years, should be allowed as one TV show, and it's an excellent pick, could make an argument for #1 in the category.

Wouldn't have even come close to allowing the Super Bowl as a TV show if it were just me ... but I see that I am outvoted. It is an event that merely happens to be on TV -- the broadcast is an important cultural happening, yes, but it's not the "art" of television. Also, it opens the door for one-time televised news events to be taken as Television Shows.That said, way to think outside of the box, CIA.

I understand your thinking, but I thought the category was so vaguely defined that it would be allowable. That said, if I were the TV judge, I would not rate the pick highly, for the reasons both you and Abrantes have mentioned.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

so where are we?

 

[Genedoc]

Just a reminder - Bonzai has our team picks for the day. I'm going to be AFK from about 2:30 Eastern until tomorrow morning.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I understand your thinking, but I thought the category was so vaguely defined that it would be allowable. That said, if I were the TV judge, I would not rate the pick highly, for the reasons both you and Abrantes have mentioned.

Can't you see, for the sake of argument though, that the production itself does become a great work of television? Let's not forget that while the game itself has been fairly popular from its outset, it wasn't the cultural force it is now until at least Super Bowl III. The game also used to be played earlier in the day because the game itself was the most important aspect of the event, not the television coverage and production. But that isn't the case anymore. The game is almost a sideshow to the production these days. And the production has become so good and so iconic that it has taken over our culture to the point where people want the following monday to be a national holiday. You don't get that with the other major sports - primarly, of course, because they aren't one and done games.I can see the arguement both ways.

 

[Doug B]

I understand your thinking, but I thought the category was so vaguely defined that it would be allowable. That said, if I were the TV judge, I would not rate the pick highly, for the reasons both you and Abrantes have mentioned.

Television show (2) All genres welcome.Well ... "The Super Bowl" gets around the spirit of the category definition, if not the letter. Just because it's on TV doesn't mean it's a bonafide "television show". Man ... I don't get it ... this is such an easy rejection for me.

 

[rodg12]

Skipped: Thatguy

15.14 - Misfit Blondes - OTC until :55

15.15 - Bob Lee Swagger - On Deck

15.16 - Norwood - In The Hole

15.17 - DC Thunder

15.18 - Genedoc (Bonzai has the pick)

15.19 - Tirnan

15.20 - Yankee

 

[ScottNorwood]

Just a reminder - Bonzai has our team picks for the day. I'm going to be AFK from about 2:30 Eastern until tomorrow morning.

thanks

 

[Uncle Humuna]

I understand your thinking, but I thought the category was so vaguely defined that it would be allowable. That said, if I were the TV judge, I would not rate the pick highly, for the reasons both you and Abrantes have mentioned.

Television show (2) All genres welcome.Well ... "The Super Bowl" gets around the spirit of the category definition, if not the letter. Just because it's on TV doesn't mean it's a bonafide "television show". Man ... I don't get it ... this is such an easy rejection for me.

I could see how this could be considered a great accomplishment in the "art of the live large event broadcast".It really is, to a certain extent, an art form.

I actually have thought that directing something like this (dictating which shots get shown when) would be a blast.

Given all of this, it is a very specific sub-genre of the category.

 

[Abrantes]

 

[krista4]

Wait, you had to edit this post?

 

[Abrantes]

Wait, you had to edit this post?

Didn't feel like spotlighting, in case people took the sarcasm in the unedited post seriously.

 

[krista4]

Wait, you had to edit this post?

Didn't feel like spotlighting, in case people took the sarcasm in the unedited post seriously.

Oh, I didn't see the original post.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Wait, you had to edit this post?

Didn't feel like spotlighting, in case people took the sarcasm in the unedited post seriously.

You had to edit this one too!??!?!

 

[Abrantes]

Wait, you had to edit this post?

Didn't feel like spotlighting, in case people took the sarcasm in the unedited post seriously.

You had to edit this one too!??!?!

Yes.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

Wait, you had to edit this post?

Didn't feel like spotlighting, in case people took the sarcasm in the unedited post seriously.

You had to edit this one too!??!?!

 

[Abrantes]

<_<

Wait, you had to edit this post?

Didn't feel like spotlighting, in case people took the sarcasm in the unedited post seriously.

You had to edit this one too!??!?!

 

[krista4]

Wait, you had to edit this post?

Didn't feel like spotlighting, in case people took the sarcasm in the unedited post seriously.

You had to edit this one too!??!?!

Yes.

<_<ETA: I didn't edit mine. Well, until now.

 

[Bonzai]

Who is up?

 

[krista4]

Skipped: Thatguy, MisfitBlondes

15.15 - Bob Lee Swagger - OTC until :55

15.16 - Norwood - On Deck

15.17 - DC Thunder

15.18 - Genedoc (Bonzai has the pick)

15.19 - Tirnan

15.20 - Yankee

 

[El Floppo]

re: Song vs Composition.... IMO, Amazing Grace should be a composition pick. A specific recording of Amazing Grace should be a song pick.

re: Super Bowl... This opens the door wide for Battle of the Network Stars. If I were judge, would not rank highly- it's more about the actual game than the tv production (which is admirable in itself, but not worthy of a top 40 pick IMO). It'll be interesting to see how the judge feels.

There was a pick I was/am considering that I'll need to clarify with the judge if I go that way... not a standard sit-com/drama... rhymes with Mo Jabba Jabba.

 

[krista4]

re: Song vs Composition.... IMO, Amazing Grace should be a composition pick. A specific recording of Amazing Grace should be a song pick.re: Super Bowl... This opens the door wide for Battle of the Network Stars. If I were judge, would not rank highly- it's more about the actual game than the tv production (which is admirable in itself, but not worthy of a top 40 pick IMO). It'll be interesting to see how the judge feels. There was a pick I was/am considering that I'll need to clarify with the judge if I go that way... not a standard sit-com/drama... rhymes with Mo Jabba Jabba.

(1) You forgot to add comedic editing to this.(2) I don't think we can change Amazing Grace now.(3) Flo Abba Abba?

 

[Bob Lee Swagger]

15.15 - Political Document - Code of Hammurabi

I'm taking this as the most famous/recognizable/influential example of ancient Babylonian law, not as the very first, as there were several other various contracts/receipts, codes, etc. that came before it. However, I believe that this document, created around 1760 B.C. and understandably primitive in places (i.e., pretty much everything is punishable by death), best represents one of the very first attempts at the groundbreaking process of codifying and recording laws meant to govern over a specific people/region, a practice that has obviously had enormous ramifications for our world today.

A few notes from Wiki:

The Babylonians and their neighbors developed the earliest system of economics that was fixed in a legal code, using a metric of various commodities. The early law codes from Sumer could be considered the first (written) economic formula, and had many attributes still in use in the current price system today... such as codified amounts of money for business deals (interest rates), fines in money for 'wrong doing', inheritance rules, laws concerning how private property is to be taxed or divided, etc.[9]

The code is often pointed to be a primary example of even a king not being able to change fundamental laws concerning the governing of a country which was the primitive form of what is now known as a constitution.

Around 1760 BC, King Hammurabi further developed Babylonian law, by codifying and inscribing it in stone. Hammurabi placed several copies of his law code throughout the kingdom of Babylon as stelae, for the entire public to see; this became known as the Codex Hammurabi. The most intact copy of these stelae was discovered in the 19th century by British Assyriologists, and has since been fully transliterated and translated into various languages, including English, German, and French.

And a few of the laws translated into English:

5. If a judge try a case, reach a decision, and present his judgment in writing; if later error shall appear in his decision, and it be through his own fault, then he shall pay twelve times the fine set by him in the case, and he shall be publicly removed from the judge's bench, and never again shall he sit there to render judgement.

108. If a tavern-keeper (feminine) does not accept corn according to gross weight in payment of drink, but takes money, and the price of the drink is less than that of the corn, she shall be convicted and thrown into the water.

128. If a man take a woman to wife, but have no intercourse with her, this woman is no wife to him.

Complete English Translation

 

[Bonzai]

####. Had that one in our back pocket for a while.

 

[Doug B]

There was a pick I was/am considering that I'll need to clarify with the judge if I go that way... not a standard sit-com/drama... rhymes with Mo Jabba Jabba.

Gotta 6-year-old and a 2-year-old at home ... I feel your pain.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Y'all know me. Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for you, but it ain't gonna be easy. Bad fish. Not like going down the pond chasin' bluegills and tommycods. This shark, swallow you whole. Little shakin', little tenderizin', an' down you go. And we gotta do it quick, that'll bring back your tourists, put all your businesses on a payin' basis. But it's not gonna be pleasant. I value my neck a lot more than three thousand bucks, chief. I'll find him for three, but I'll catch him, and kill him, for ten. But you've gotta make up your minds. If you want to stay alive, then ante up. If you want to play it cheap, be on welfare the whole winter. I don't want no volunteers, I don't want no mates, there's just too many captains on this island. Ten thousand dollars for me by myself. For that you get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing.

15.16 JAWS (movie)

 

[thatguy]

Ugh. Why do I always come up at the same time every morning. I can usually get to the computer by about noon or one ET but I always seem to be up right when the clock starts. Sorry everyone for what is becoming a very routine and i'm sur eincredibly annoying daily thatguy wait.

 

[thatguy]

As to your ruling BL, I already stated I really don't care. I do, however, still disagree. I can do that, can't I? I've already stated I will pick ONE and just ONE. But I disagree. I just do. But, so you don't feel the need to rehash your point in a different way, I don't care.

 

[Abrantes]

Y'all know me. Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for you, but it ain't gonna be easy. Bad fish. Not like going down the pond chasin' bluegills and tommycods. This shark, swallow you whole. Little shakin', little tenderizin', an' down you go. And we gotta do it quick, that'll bring back your tourists, put all your businesses on a payin' basis. But it's not gonna be pleasant. I value my neck a lot more than three thousand bucks, chief. I'll find him for three, but I'll catch him, and kill him, for ten. But you've gotta make up your minds. If you want to stay alive, then ante up. If you want to play it cheap, be on welfare the whole winter. I don't want no volunteers, I don't want no mates, there's just too many captains on this island. Ten thousand dollars for me by myself. For that you get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing.

15.16 JAWS (movie)

Great movie.

 

[jmp]

MisfitBlondes' Pick

15.14 I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings - Maya Angelou (Non-Fiction)

I first read this book when I was probably much too youngfor it. I have read it many times since and get so much more out of it each time. This is an autobiography so I believe it belongs in the non-fiction category. Although this book has been classified in the past as autobiographical fiction, it is not and it deserves some credit for changing the way autobiographies are perceived.

 

[timschochet]

Y'all know me. Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for you, but it ain't gonna be easy. Bad fish. Not like going down the pond chasin' bluegills and tommycods. This shark, swallow you whole. Little shakin', little tenderizin', an' down you go. And we gotta do it quick, that'll bring back your tourists, put all your businesses on a payin' basis. But it's not gonna be pleasant. I value my neck a lot more than three thousand bucks, chief. I'll find him for three, but I'll catch him, and kill him, for ten. But you've gotta make up your minds. If you want to stay alive, then ante up. If you want to play it cheap, be on welfare the whole winter. I don't want no volunteers, I don't want no mates, there's just too many captains on this island. Ten thousand dollars for me by myself. For that you get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing.

15.16 JAWS (movie)

Great movie.

Here's to swimmin with bow legged women!

 

[Bonzai]

I see DCT down there...

 

[Bonzai]

aaaaaand he's gone.

 

[mad sweeney]

I understand your thinking, but I thought the category was so vaguely defined that it would be allowable. That said, if I were the TV judge, I would not rate the pick highly, for the reasons both you and Abrantes have mentioned.

Television show (2) All genres welcome.Well ... "The Super Bowl" gets around the spirit of the category definition, if not the letter. Just because it's on TV doesn't mean it's a bonafide "television show". Man ... I don't get it ... this is such an easy rejection for me.

I can understand the objections to this but I disagree. The broadcast of the SB has become a phenmenon in and of itself. The most expensive commercials (both in production and broadcast costs) are paraded throughout as part of the coverage. It's really a singular yearly event that attracts more television viewers worldwide, much more than actually football weekly, than any other event save the Oscars. The coverage itself extends the length of the game to fit all the TV in around it. I can easily see it as a TV show or WC. Now whether it will rank highly against artistically crafted shows (which apparently aren't good enough to dispossess sitcoms and sketch comedy as the greatest tv shows) is a completely different story.

 

[wikkidpissah]

to answer an earlier question - if someone wants to make the case that a particular performance of a song is part of the terms of one's selection of it, it will be taken into consideration. but quality & importance will still be the primary criteria of the judging.

 

[mad sweeney]

to answer an earlier question - if someone wants to make the case that a particular performance of a song is part of the terms of one's selection of it, it will be taken into consideration. but quality & importance will still be the primary criteria of the judging.

I can think of one song done by two very different artists and it would be tough to say whose is better. Both deserve to be drafted and being able to snag them both would be a coup.

 

[DCThunder]

I'm back and will get a pick up shortly.

 

[wikkidpissah]

to answer an earlier question - if someone wants to make the case that a particular performance of a song is part of the terms of one's selection of it, it will be taken into consideration. but quality & importance will still be the primary criteria of the judging.

I can think of one song done by two very different artists and it would be tough to say whose is better. Both deserve to be drafted and being able to snag them both would be a coup.

though particular performances may be considered if highlighted, once a song has been picked all other renditions are out of play.

 

[DCThunder]

I find myself in a real quandry. I don't have a great, inspired pick that is sure to elicit ooooh and ahhhs from the commentariat. So I'll make a selection that I like and that provided good, solid entertainment to millions of people when it was shown on TV back in 1989. This mini-series won six Emmys and introduced several unforgettable characters to the popular culture. If this mini-series were shown again today, I have no doubt that it would be just as big a hit as it was 20 years ago. So I give you:

15.17--Lonesome Dove-TV show

Starring Robert Duval as Gus McCrae and Tommy Lee Jones as Woodrow Call, this series also featured such stars as Danny Glover, Robert Urich, Chris Cooper, Rick (Don't call me Ricky) Schroder, and Angelica Huston. The series tells a timeless story of the West as it was changing and being tamed and it also tells of the deep friendship of Call and McCrae, two former Texas Rangers who take a herd of cattle from Texas to Montana and then of how Call returns McCrae's body back to Texas for burial. the acting of Duval and Jones is first rate and the production values are wonderful.

If you haven't seen this show, do yourself a favor and rent the DVD. You'll not regret it, even if you don't like Westerns.

 

[krista4]

I find myself in a real quandry. I don't have a great, inspired pick that is sure to elicit ooooh and ahhhs from the commentariat. So I'll make a selection that I like and that provided good, solid entertainment to millions of people when it was shown on TV back in 1989. This mini-series won six Emmys and introduced several unforgettable characters to the popular culture. If this mini-series were shown again today, I have no doubt that it would be just as big a hit as it was 20 years ago. So I give you:

15.17--Lonesome Dove-TV show

Starring Robert Duval as Gus McCrae and Tommy Lee Jones as Woodrow Call, this series also featured such stars as Danny Glover, Robert Urich, Chris Cooper, Rick (Don't call me Ricky) Schroder, and Angelica Huston. The series tells a timeless story of the West as it was changing and being tamed and it also tells of the deep friendship of Call and McCrae, two former Texas Rangers who take a herd of cattle from Texas to Montana and then of how Call returns McCrae's body back to Texas for burial. the acting of Duval and Jones is first rate and the production values are wonderful.

If you haven't seen this show, do yourself a favor and rent the DVD. You'll not regret it, even if you don't like Westerns.

I should see this. What a cast!

 

[Mister CIA]

My thoughts on the Super Bowl selection.

Yeah, it gets points docked for artistic merit, but when you look at the essence of TV - to sell product, the Super Bowl is king and nothing else comes close, hence it deserves to be called a great work. People literally tune in to watch the advertisements, which is an amazing feat. Also, with out spotlighting any other events, nothing else compares to the way the Super Bowl brings so many millions of people together all glued to the television. Without meaning to sound cynical, the Super Bowl is quite honestly a day of national worship of television.

All that said, I'm seriously considering moving it to wildcard, because I think there's another show available that's a lock for top 5, and possibly #1 (although I still think The Wire owns the category)

 

[Bonzai]

15.18 Château de Versailles - Building/Structure

Louis XIV practically put France into bankruptcy as a result of its construction. I'm sure Gene will have more to say. Here a few links:

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Amazing.

 

[Bonzai]

I have to take off for a bit in about 15 minutes. Can I pm our pick to someone?

 

[Mister CIA]

I have to take off for a bit in about 15 minutes. Can I pm our pick to someone?

I'll be around for a little while.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

I have to take off for a bit in about 15 minutes. Can I pm our pick to someone?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

So, I'm up then?

 

[Bonzai]

Sent it to the good Uncle.

Thanx bro, gotta run!

 

[Yankee23Fan]

For my selection of 15.20 I am going to grab one of my upper tier top paintings before it gets snagged. I figured it would go in the top 10 rounds so I'm glad it fell here.

Though I'm not much of an art lover and therefore cannot absolutely support the following statement, it appears that many in the artworld do agree, and so I select this painting, not just for theme continuity, but because it is one of the few paintings to reach the status of cultural icon, along with Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa and Edvard Munch's The Scream. It is thus one of the most reproduced — and parodied — images ever. Many artists have replaced the two people with other known couples and replaced the house with well known houses. References and parodies of the image have been numerous for generations, appearing regularly in such media as postcards, magazines, animated cartoons, advertisements, comic books, and television shows.

I select, American Gothic

 

[thatguy]

Building/Structure - The Forbidden City in Beijing

If this is not allowed as a stand alone pick, I will change it, but I think it should be allowed as it is considered a single palace.



The Forbidden City was the Chinese imperial palace from the Ming Dynasty to the end of the Qing Dynasty. It is located in the middle of Beijing, China, and now houses the Palace Museum. For almost five centuries, it served as the home of the Emperor and his household, as well as the ceremonial and political centre of Chinese government.

Built from 1406 to 1420, the complex consists of 980 surviving buildings with 8,707 bays of rooms[1] and covers 720,000 square metres (7,800,000 square feet). The palace complex exemplifies traditional Chinese palatial architecture,[2] and has influenced cultural and architectural developments in East Asia and elsewhere. The Forbidden City was declared a World Heritage Site in 1987,[2] and is listed by UNESCO as the largest collection of preserved ancient wooden structures in the world.

Since 1925, the Forbidden City has been under the charge of the Palace Museum, whose extensive collection of artwork and artifacts were built upon the imperial collections of the Ming and Qing dynasties. Part of the museum's former collection is now located in the National Palace Museum in Taipei. Both museums descend from the same institution, but were split after the Chinese Civil War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Forbidden_city_07.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Forbidde...nwumen_Gate.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gugun_panorama-2005-1.jpg

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Round 16 shall start with a short story; one of the few so known and powerful in American culture that it statues have been built to honor it, school are named for its character, and the story has been told and retold on screen and stage for almost 100 years. It's characters are known to us all. That tall, lanky, thin, superstitious nerdy guy that doesn't have the personal presence he wants to grab the girl of his dreams. A good looking rich 18 year old girl who is the apple of two sets of eyes. The competitor for the girl who is all manly man and stands against the nerdy guy. And let's not forget the ghost of a Hessian soldier killed in the Revolutionary War that plays a pivotal role.

Did I mention he's headless? Yeah, he is. No head.

I select, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow one of America's greatest short stories, and one of Washington Irving's greatest works.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

For Bonzai:

16.03 The Night Watch - Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn

"Rembrandt" has become synonymous with exceptional painting. Here, Team Genezai select his greatest work.

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