Official Great Works Draft (4 Viewers)

[timschochet]

I have no dog in this race, since I'm typically close enough to the computer for a pick, but I can see where Tides is coming from, as he's upset that those without the luxury of checking in during the week do get the shaft and have to watch picks trickling in slowly during the weekend. Not sure if you'll get people to agree on changes almost halfway through the draft, but I'm easy. Whatever brings us to a satisfactory compromise.

I will say that the best solution is typically sending PMs with picks to people who are always around, though. Clunky, but less messy.

Ah. OK. Well, this is a good point, and a legitimate concern. I may have confused this with the other issue I was talking about: if so, Tides, I apologize. I do see your point. This is the third of the these drafts I've run and we've always done it this way simply because the majority preferred it. Truthfully I could care less when the clock was on or off. We needed some kind of clock; otherwise these drafts (and this one in particular) could last forever. It's true that when this draft was started, I did not ask before I set up the schedule, because it was based on times that were previously used. I can see that it favors certain people during the week and not others, and I regret the fact that you've been inconvenienced. I don't know how to fix that at this point. If you have a suggestion that would work, I'm open to it, but I doubt most of the drafters will be at this point.

In about two weeks I am leaving for a week and a half to the mountains where I will be unable to post regularly: perhaps every couple of days, perhaps not at all. During that time I will be skipped and simply have to make the picks whenever I can get around to it. So if I don't know where you're coming from now, I will shortly.

 

[El Floppo]

Because today it did NOT come to a standstill for everyone - I know you are not this obtuse

The reason it did not come to standstill for you, after hours, is because you had already skipped a pick. If you had not already skipped a pick, then it would have come to a standstill for you. I don't know how I can make this any more clear. It does come to a standstill on the weekend for those who are not here AND had not already missed a pick. If they had already missed a pick, it would not have come to a standstill for them either. They will be skipped over, regardless of whether the clock is on or not. Does this makes sense?

Isn't there a way of just turning the miss your pick thing off on nights/weekends if the picker requests it? Seems like that would resolve this whole thing.Granted, if that person then goes on to hold things up- spanking machine for them.

eta: for the people like ToW who can't check in during the times the clock is on and is, out of consideration to the rest of us asking to be skipped so he's not holding up the draft, why can't he request that he NOT be autoskipped when the clock is turned off? It only seems fair, if this isn't already happening (I'm not paying too much attention to this clock stuff).or am I not getting something?

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hi. make sense?

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oh come on.

 

[rodg12]

25.08 - Narrative of the life of Frederick Douglass - Non-Fiction

26.13 - The Scarlet Letter - Nathianel Hawthorne - Novel

Good picks. Far better than picks anyone has taken while you were gone today.

And, if it makes you feel better, you totally sniped me with the Scarlet Letter pick. I was going to take it at 26.19 until you posted just before me.

 

[timschochet]

Because today it did NOT come to a standstill for everyone - I know you are not this obtuse

The reason it did not come to standstill for you, after hours, is because you had already skipped a pick. If you had not already skipped a pick, then it would have come to a standstill for you. I don't know how I can make this any more clear. It does come to a standstill on the weekend for those who are not here AND had not already missed a pick. If they had already missed a pick, it would not have come to a standstill for them either. They will be skipped over, regardless of whether the clock is on or not. Does this makes sense?

Isn't there a way of just turning the miss your pick thing off on nights/weekends if the picker requests it? Seems like that would resolve this whole thing.Granted, if that person then goes on to hold things up- spanking machine for them.

eta: for the people like ToW who can't check in during the times the clock is on and is, out of consideration to the rest of us asking to be skipped so he's not holding up the draft, why can't he request that he NOT be autoskipped when the clock is turned off? It only seems fair, if this isn't already happening (I'm not paying too much attention to this clock stuff).or am I not getting something?

If someone already missed a pick, and we come to them again, then they're going to be skipped the second time. That's just the way it is. Nobody's going to accept a holdup from someone who's already been skipped once, even if the clock is off. If you're worried about this, simply don't put yourself on autoskip. If people are held up, so what? Eventually the clock will come back on.

 

[TidesofWar]

Sometimes, even at my advanced age, I get worked up about things.

I have a tendency to be passionate about anything I do, and sometimes things that should be ancillary, trivial, or just fun get trampled.

I appreciate those who have fairly examined what I have posted, and offered their thoughts.

Good Night to All

 

[timschochet]

Sometimes, even at my advanced age, I get worked up about things.I have a tendency to be passionate about anything I do, and sometimes things that should be ancillary, trivial, or just fun get trampled.I appreciate those who have fairly examined what I have posted, and offered their thoughts.Good Night to All

No worries. Now I recognize your concerns, and I wish there was a way to solve them. I hope it wasn't the Kafka that you wanted...

 

[rodg12]

Seeing as how Krista usually doesn't post picks this late, I'm heading to bed. I'll be back on in the morning. See you all on the flip side.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Another entertaining night I see.

Just to give my thoughts on the clock business:

There does have to be a clock. The fun part of these drafts is the conversation and debate on the picks, but without a clock it will die. Some order is necessary lest you fall into chaos. Having said that, the actual clock itself is not a concrete thing to me. In other words, we can have 10 minutes 1 hour 2 days to make a pick, I don't care. I doubt anyone else does really.

The business hours feel of the clock works best for me, but I am flexible. If we want the clock to be on all the time 24/7 that's fine with me. Basically, I'm flexible.

ToW does have a fair point, yet tim is correct as well. The tradition, for lack of a better word, has always been that once you are skipped you are skipped again until you get back up with the group - no matter the effect of the clock at the time of the second skip or beyond. It's worked very well now for three drafts. Yes, it does lend itself to be slightly unfair to those that can't spend a lot of time in here during the daytime business hours, but to be fair that is when this site is its most busy, most people are on, and most "work" here is done. Nature of the beast.

I don't know how to "solve" this "problem" at this point, but I'm totally flexible.

Another problem/question. tim is going to be out for the week or so and if I recall the google site has a limit on the list data entered. Has the google problem been fixed? Is there anything there that can be done by anyone else to help? That site has been invaluable to me so far and it will be even more so once tim is MIA in June.

 

[El Floppo]

Because today it did NOT come to a standstill for everyone - I know you are not this obtuse

The reason it did not come to standstill for you, after hours, is because you had already skipped a pick. If you had not already skipped a pick, then it would have come to a standstill for you. I don't know how I can make this any more clear. It does come to a standstill on the weekend for those who are not here AND had not already missed a pick. If they had already missed a pick, it would not have come to a standstill for them either. They will be skipped over, regardless of whether the clock is on or not. Does this makes sense?

Isn't there a way of just turning the miss your pick thing off on nights/weekends if the picker requests it? Seems like that would resolve this whole thing.Granted, if that person then goes on to hold things up- spanking machine for them.

eta: for the people like ToW who can't check in during the times the clock is on and is, out of consideration to the rest of us asking to be skipped so he's not holding up the draft, why can't he request that he NOT be autoskipped when the clock is turned off? It only seems fair, if this isn't already happening (I'm not paying too much attention to this clock stuff).or am I not getting something?

If someone already missed a pick, and we come to them again, then they're going to be skipped the second time. That's just the way it is. Nobody's going to accept a holdup from someone who's already been skipped once, even if the clock is off. If you're worried about this, simply don't put yourself on autoskip. If people are held up, so what? Eventually the clock will come back on.

So that I'm clear here- this is not a big issue for me. That said, using up an hour of everybody's time during clocked hours and missing the pick is a different beast than asking to be autoskipped. Not sure why I even have to write that. This is not someobody who "missed a pick". If the person is considerate enough to be autoskipped, they should be given the consideration back at night to not be autoskipped. This seems pretty obvious to me- what am I missing?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

So that I'm clear here- this is not a big issue for me. That said, using up an hour of everybody's time during clocked hours and missing the pick is a different beast than asking to be autoskipped. Not sure why I even have to write that. This is not someobody who "missed a pick". If the person is considerate enough to be autoskipped, they should be given the consideration back at night to not be autoskipped. This seems pretty obvious to me- what am I missing?

So, your question is:ToW asked to be autoskipped for daytime business hours, but not nighttime off hours. In that case, should he not be afforded the opportunity to not be skipped at night?If that is what you mean, then I agree with you. If someone asked to be autoskipped during the day because they know they won't be here and don't want to hold things up they are showing the good sense to be a team player here and helping out the flow. A little consideration returned is not a big deal, and in this instance, I think we can allow for an autoskip option that is - autoskip during daytime business hours but not nightime off clock hours. Basically, give them a chance to make their picks at that second point in return for allowing the clock to move during normal business time. I think this is an easy change to make. If it turns out that drafter doesn't pick at night, well, then the clock was off anyway. Althought given that the drafter would have gone out of his/her way to be autoskipped for the group, I don't we will have someone ignore it after being that involved it.

 

[flysack]

I'm going to stun flysack with this pick. I know I am.

Ever since college, I had grouped this author with guys I couldn't stand, like Joyce, Proust, Nabakov (I know, all the giants!) But this guy, who I never bothered to read, particularly annoyed me because I was in this short story creative writing class one semester, and there was this Irish guy who wore black turtlenecks and always had amazingly hot chicks on his arm that I could only dream of getting, and this poser used to recite poetry and everyone said about his writing, "Oh, Liam, you're so Kafkaesque!" Man I hated that ####er.

But you know what? Years later, I read this novel, and it was quite good. Actually, it was astonishingly good. And I realized it was Liam and his pretentiousness and ability to pick up women that I hated, not Kafka.

The story is about a guy who's arrested one morning, and we don't know what for. And then he's prosecuted, and we still don't know what for. And that's only the beginning. I mean, this story is weird. There's pornography, and people being whipped, and I think I would need some literary expert like flysack to fully explain it to me. But it's unforgettable even so. It's extremely disturbing (probably the most disturbing thing I've ever read). In a way, it reminded me of Alice In Wonderland, except there's no sense of wonder, only dread. In reading the Wikipedia writeup, I learned that Kafka didn't even want it published; I guess he was disturbed about it too. Anyhow, the whole book reads like a nightmare, and I have to admit it is a true work of art.

26.17 The Trial by Franz Kafka

SON OF a !@#$$ ### #### MOTHER!@#$$ CO@#SUCKING NO GOOD DIRTY C!@ SLURPING GUTTER WH!@# YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS, SCHOTCHET! YOU'RE GOING TO PAY!@##

(i've been sitting on this pick for rounds now, just waiting, almost taking it and always passing)

 

[El Floppo]

So that I'm clear here- this is not a big issue for me. That said, using up an hour of everybody's time during clocked hours and missing the pick is a different beast than asking to be autoskipped. Not sure why I even have to write that. This is not someobody who "missed a pick". If the person is considerate enough to be autoskipped, they should be given the consideration back at night to not be autoskipped. This seems pretty obvious to me- what am I missing?

So, your question is:ToW asked to be autoskipped for daytime business hours, but not nighttime off hours. In that case, should he not be afforded the opportunity to not be skipped at night?If that is what you mean, then I agree with you. If someone asked to be autoskipped during the day because they know they won't be here and don't want to hold things up they are showing the good sense to be a team player here and helping out the flow. A little consideration returned is not a big deal, and in this instance, I think we can allow for an autoskip option that is - autoskip during daytime business hours but not nightime off clock hours. Basically, give them a chance to make their picks at that second point in return for allowing the clock to move during normal business time. I think this is an easy change to make. If it turns out that drafter doesn't pick at night, well, then the clock was off anyway. Althought given that the drafter would have gone out of his/her way to be autoskipped for the group, I don't we will have someone ignore it after being that involved it.

Exactly so.

 

[flysack]

Gone With The Wind is hardly unwatchable. But it was taken by Doug B much earlier.

Picks like GWTW and I Love Lucy seem to be high on googled top 10 and top 100 lists. But do people actually still enjoy these works? To me, a great work should be timeless. These both seem severely dated IMO.

Gone With The Wind is one of those great works I never saw/read. I didn't watch the film until two or three years ago, long after all the education and snobbery set in. I was amazed.

Even now, in the age of Neo dodging bullets, I was blown away by the scenery and especially the fire scene.

I was blown away by the characters. I was blown away by the plot and story.

It's an incredible film. Loved it.

 

[ScottNorwood]

But that would not fare well with Krista and her desperate following

I would like to subscribe to the "when in doubt, blame Krista" newsletter.

I thought you were the editor in chief

 

[ScottNorwood]

Norwood>> I'll be out for most of the day, can you keep my delinquent in line for me? I'm having a hard time keeping track of which alias she's using.

No prob. She has already been PMing me on a regular basis.

 

[Mister CIA]

Another entertaining night I see.

Just to give my thoughts on the clock business:

There does have to be a clock. The fun part of these drafts is the conversation and debate on the picks, but without a clock it will die. Some order is necessary lest you fall into chaos. Having said that, the actual clock itself is not a concrete thing to me. In other words, we can have 10 minutes 1 hour 2 days to make a pick, I don't care. I doubt anyone else does really.

The business hours feel of the clock works best for me, but I am flexible. If we want the clock to be on all the time 24/7 that's fine with me. Basically, I'm flexible.

ToW does have a fair point, yet tim is correct as well. The tradition, for lack of a better word, has always been that once you are skipped you are skipped again until you get back up with the group - no matter the effect of the clock at the time of the second skip or beyond. It's worked very well now for three drafts. Yes, it does lend itself to be slightly unfair to those that can't spend a lot of time in here during the daytime business hours, but to be fair that is when this site is its most busy, most people are on, and most "work" here is done. Nature of the beast.

I don't know how to "solve" this "problem" at this point, but I'm totally flexible.

Another problem/question. tim is going to be out for the week or so and if I recall the google site has a limit on the list data entered. Has the google problem been fixed? Is there anything there that can be done by anyone else to help? That site has been invaluable to me so far and it will be even more so once tim is MIA in June.

Still waiting for resolution from Google on Site, but in the meantime here's a spreadsheet with the draft results listed.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Another entertaining night I see.

Just to give my thoughts on the clock business:

There does have to be a clock. The fun part of these drafts is the conversation and debate on the picks, but without a clock it will die. Some order is necessary lest you fall into chaos. Having said that, the actual clock itself is not a concrete thing to me. In other words, we can have 10 minutes 1 hour 2 days to make a pick, I don't care. I doubt anyone else does really.

The business hours feel of the clock works best for me, but I am flexible. If we want the clock to be on all the time 24/7 that's fine with me. Basically, I'm flexible.

ToW does have a fair point, yet tim is correct as well. The tradition, for lack of a better word, has always been that once you are skipped you are skipped again until you get back up with the group - no matter the effect of the clock at the time of the second skip or beyond. It's worked very well now for three drafts. Yes, it does lend itself to be slightly unfair to those that can't spend a lot of time in here during the daytime business hours, but to be fair that is when this site is its most busy, most people are on, and most "work" here is done. Nature of the beast.

I don't know how to "solve" this "problem" at this point, but I'm totally flexible.

Another problem/question. tim is going to be out for the week or so and if I recall the google site has a limit on the list data entered. Has the google problem been fixed? Is there anything there that can be done by anyone else to help? That site has been invaluable to me so far and it will be even more so once tim is MIA in June.

Still waiting for resolution from Google on Site, but in the meantime here's a spreadsheet with the draft results listed.

Awesome. This sheet is good enough for me. If the other site doesn't work can there just be a link to this google sheet? .xls stuff isn't that hard to use.

 

[BobbyLayne]

So that I'm clear here- this is not a big issue for me. That said, using up an hour of everybody's time during clocked hours and missing the pick is a different beast than asking to be autoskipped. Not sure why I even have to write that. This is not someobody who "missed a pick". If the person is considerate enough to be autoskipped, they should be given the consideration back at night to not be autoskipped. This seems pretty obvious to me- what am I missing?

So, your question is:ToW asked to be autoskipped for daytime business hours, but not nighttime off hours. In that case, should he not be afforded the opportunity to not be skipped at night?If that is what you mean, then I agree with you. If someone asked to be autoskipped during the day because they know they won't be here and don't want to hold things up they are showing the good sense to be a team player here and helping out the flow. A little consideration returned is not a big deal, and in this instance, I think we can allow for an autoskip option that is - autoskip during daytime business hours but not nightime off clock hours. Basically, give them a chance to make their picks at that second point in return for allowing the clock to move during normal business time. I think this is an easy change to make. If it turns out that drafter doesn't pick at night, well, then the clock was off anyway. Althought given that the drafter would have gone out of his/her way to be autoskipped for the group, I don't we will have someone ignore it after being that involved it.

Exactly so.

Second/In Favor of adopting the ToW rule.MisterCIA/Rodg12 - Thanks for the spreadsheet. Guess it's a less fancy GUI but its certainly functional. Its been nice having two guys updating results in a separate site this draft. I haven't checked page 1 of this thread since forevah, appreciate the good work.

 

[rodg12]

Another entertaining night I see.

Just to give my thoughts on the clock business:

There does have to be a clock. The fun part of these drafts is the conversation and debate on the picks, but without a clock it will die. Some order is necessary lest you fall into chaos. Having said that, the actual clock itself is not a concrete thing to me. In other words, we can have 10 minutes 1 hour 2 days to make a pick, I don't care. I doubt anyone else does really.

The business hours feel of the clock works best for me, but I am flexible. If we want the clock to be on all the time 24/7 that's fine with me. Basically, I'm flexible.

ToW does have a fair point, yet tim is correct as well. The tradition, for lack of a better word, has always been that once you are skipped you are skipped again until you get back up with the group - no matter the effect of the clock at the time of the second skip or beyond. It's worked very well now for three drafts. Yes, it does lend itself to be slightly unfair to those that can't spend a lot of time in here during the daytime business hours, but to be fair that is when this site is its most busy, most people are on, and most "work" here is done. Nature of the beast.

I don't know how to "solve" this "problem" at this point, but I'm totally flexible.

Another problem/question. tim is going to be out for the week or so and if I recall the google site has a limit on the list data entered. Has the google problem been fixed? Is there anything there that can be done by anyone else to help? That site has been invaluable to me so far and it will be even more so once tim is MIA in June.

Still waiting for resolution from Google on Site, but in the meantime here's a spreadsheet with the draft results listed.

Awesome. This sheet is good enough for me. If the other site doesn't work can there just be a link to this google sheet? .xls stuff isn't that hard to use.

There's a link to the spreadsheet at the top of the Draft Results page on the Google Site.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Ok, so now that we are all touchy feely again where are we?

 

[rodg12]

Quick update on where we're at and who owes picks....

SKIPPED

23.05 - Doug B (requested skip)

24.16 - Doug B (autoskip)

25.05 - Doug B (autoskip)

26.16 - Doug B (autoskip)

26.20 - Krista - UP

27.01 - Fennis - On Deck

27.02 - Rodg - In The Hole

27.03 - Postradamus (autoskip if not here in first 15)

27.04 - Timscochet

27.05 - Doug B

27.06 - Abrantes

27.07 - BobbyLayne/flysack (autoskip if not around)

27.08 - Tides of War

27.09 - Wikkidpissah

27.10 - Thatguy (autoskip until further notice)

27.11 - El Floppo (autoskip if not here in first 15)

27.12 - Team CIA (autoskip)

27.13 - Uncle Humuna

27.14 - MisfitBlondes

27.15 - Bob Lee Swagger

 

[flysack]

Ok, so now that we are all touchy feely again where are we?

I object. Can we argue about rules for a few more pages? This is why I signed on for this thing. To debate about visions and appropriate picks and the clock, not learn about some cool stuff. Someone should poke a stick at Misfitblonds. Give Tim some crystal meth. Maybe one of you could get Larry to join up on your team too.Let's not ruin a good thing here!

 

[timschochet]

Good morning. I don't mind the idea of the new rule. My only concern is who's going to keep track? I can barely keep track of who's on autoskip right now, and I'm not always here. Neither is anyone else (always here, I mean.) What I think will inevitably happen is that someone will request to be autoskipped only when the clock is on, but somebody else will have missed reading this, and all that person will see is that the first guy was skipped already, and skip him again. Then all hell will break loose, and there's no good way to clean up the mess at that point. This is what I want to avoid. It's actually very difficult to change these sort of rules midstream, because I guarantee you not every drafter reads every post in this thread.

For these reasons, as much as I want to help out Tides of War, I'm not in favor of this change. If someone can convince me why these things I'm concerned about won't happen or an easy way to avoid them, in that case I'm willing to change my mind.

 

[rodg12]

So that I'm clear here- this is not a big issue for me. That said, using up an hour of everybody's time during clocked hours and missing the pick is a different beast than asking to be autoskipped. Not sure why I even have to write that. This is not someobody who "missed a pick". If the person is considerate enough to be autoskipped, they should be given the consideration back at night to not be autoskipped. This seems pretty obvious to me- what am I missing?

So, your question is:ToW asked to be autoskipped for daytime business hours, but not nighttime off hours. In that case, should he not be afforded the opportunity to not be skipped at night?If that is what you mean, then I agree with you. If someone asked to be autoskipped during the day because they know they won't be here and don't want to hold things up they are showing the good sense to be a team player here and helping out the flow. A little consideration returned is not a big deal, and in this instance, I think we can allow for an autoskip option that is - autoskip during daytime business hours but not nightime off clock hours. Basically, give them a chance to make their picks at that second point in return for allowing the clock to move during normal business time. I think this is an easy change to make. If it turns out that drafter doesn't pick at night, well, then the clock was off anyway. Althought given that the drafter would have gone out of his/her way to be autoskipped for the group, I don't we will have someone ignore it after being that involved it.

Sounds good to me. Allow people to request to be autoskipped during the day, but taken off at night.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Good morning. I don't mind the idea of the new rule. My only concern is who's going to keep track? I can barely keep track of who's on autoskip right now, and I'm not always here. Neither is anyone else (always here, I mean.) What I think will inevitably happen is that someone will request to be autoskipped only when the clock is on, but somebody else will have missed reading this, and all that person will see is that the first guy was skipped already, and skip him again. Then all hell will break loose, and there's no good way to clean up the mess at that point. This is what I want to avoid. It's actually very difficult to change these sort of rules midstream, because I guarantee you not every drafter reads every post in this thread.

For these reasons, as much as I want to help out Tides of War, I'm not in favor of this change. If someone can convince me why these things I'm concerned about won't happen or an easy way to avoid them, in that case I'm willing to change my mind.

When have you ever kept track? I've been in three drafts over the last four five months and have yet to see you post once about who is up? I'm sure you have, but I missed it.So I haven't been around for about a week or more. Guess what? Other people step up - which is what always happens.

We ain't building rockets here. Not following your its too complicated logic here, timschochet.

 

[Fennis]

Good morning. I don't mind the idea of the new rule. My only concern is who's going to keep track? I can barely keep track of who's on autoskip right now, and I'm not always here. Neither is anyone else (always here, I mean.) What I think will inevitably happen is that someone will request to be autoskipped only when the clock is on, but somebody else will have missed reading this, and all that person will see is that the first guy was skipped already, and skip him again. Then all hell will break loose, and there's no good way to clean up the mess at that point. This is what I want to avoid. It's actually very difficult to change these sort of rules midstream, because I guarantee you not every drafter reads every post in this thread.

For these reasons, as much as I want to help out Tides of War, I'm not in favor of this change. If someone can convince me why these things I'm concerned about won't happen or an easy way to avoid them, in that case I'm willing to change my mind.

When have you ever kept track? I've been in three drafts over the last four months and have yet to see you post once about who is up? I'm sure you have, but I missed it.So I haven't been around for about a week or more. Guess what? Other people step up - which is what always happens.

We ain't building rockets here. Not following your its too complicated logic here, timschochet.

no spotlighting

 

[ScottNorwood]

Good morning. I don't mind the idea of the new rule. My only concern is who's going to keep track? I can barely keep track of who's on autoskip right now, and I'm not always here. Neither is anyone else (always here, I mean.) What I think will inevitably happen is that someone will request to be autoskipped only when the clock is on, but somebody else will have missed reading this, and all that person will see is that the first guy was skipped already, and skip him again. Then all hell will break loose, and there's no good way to clean up the mess at that point. This is what I want to avoid. It's actually very difficult to change these sort of rules midstream, because I guarantee you not every drafter reads every post in this thread.

For these reasons, as much as I want to help out Tides of War, I'm not in favor of this change. If someone can convince me why these things I'm concerned about won't happen or an easy way to avoid them, in that case I'm willing to change my mind.

I agree with Tim. It should be the same rules for everyone. If TOW gets skipped he can just catchup tirnan-style.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Good morning. I don't mind the idea of the new rule. My only concern is who's going to keep track? I can barely keep track of who's on autoskip right now, and I'm not always here. Neither is anyone else (always here, I mean.) What I think will inevitably happen is that someone will request to be autoskipped only when the clock is on, but somebody else will have missed reading this, and all that person will see is that the first guy was skipped already, and skip him again. Then all hell will break loose, and there's no good way to clean up the mess at that point. This is what I want to avoid. It's actually very difficult to change these sort of rules midstream, because I guarantee you not every drafter reads every post in this thread.

For these reasons, as much as I want to help out Tides of War, I'm not in favor of this change. If someone can convince me why these things I'm concerned about won't happen or an easy way to avoid them, in that case I'm willing to change my mind.

tim we're keeping track of the skippage as you can a few posts up from yours. As long as the person being skipped is clear on how they want to be skipped we should be fine.

 

[flysack]

I agree with Tim about the thing that may or may not be overruled by Krista and others and then complained about and debated for three more pages.

By the way, is someone up?

 

[krista4]

26.19 - Forrest Gump by Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump - Acting Performance

One of the great American actors at his best. Love this movie and love Hanks' job in it.

Yowza. Hate this pick.There, see, I don't love every pick.

I know I'm up; just catching up.

 

[krista4]

I thought I asked NOT TO BE SKIPPED after the clock was off??? DAMN IT!!!!

Tides, it's been a general rule that if you allow yourself to be skipped once, then if we come around to you a next time and you still haven't made your pick you're automatically skipped again. This has been the same for everyone.

Then I will not be skipped again.I missed two selections I wanted because I tried to be fair with people that are not willing to reciprocate. Why were they not skipped on the weekend???I said at the beginning the MON-FRI daytime clock was bogus, IMO.Once the clock is off, it should damn well be off.I vote if you are not going to be available on the weekends, youn should be skipped as well, to level the playing field.But that would not fare well with Krista and her desperate following

I tend to agree with everything you said, except the last sentence. And the "desperate following"? WTF do you mean by that?

 

[timschochet]

Good morning. I don't mind the idea of the new rule. My only concern is who's going to keep track? I can barely keep track of who's on autoskip right now, and I'm not always here. Neither is anyone else (always here, I mean.) What I think will inevitably happen is that someone will request to be autoskipped only when the clock is on, but somebody else will have missed reading this, and all that person will see is that the first guy was skipped already, and skip him again. Then all hell will break loose, and there's no good way to clean up the mess at that point. This is what I want to avoid. It's actually very difficult to change these sort of rules midstream, because I guarantee you not every drafter reads every post in this thread.

For these reasons, as much as I want to help out Tides of War, I'm not in favor of this change. If someone can convince me why these things I'm concerned about won't happen or an easy way to avoid them, in that case I'm willing to change my mind.

tim we're keeping track of the skippage as you can a few posts up from yours. As long as the person being skipped is clear on how they want to be skipped we should be fine.

OK. If you guys are all confident that this can be kept track of and nobody will miss it and skip over somebody, let's do it. Hopefully you guys are right and there won't be any mess.

 

[krista4]

note to self: 20 rounds is about the breaking point for a draft.

And we're not even halfway through!

 

[BobbyLayne]

I tend to agree with everything you said, except the last sentence. And the "desperate following"? WTF do you mean by that?

exactly
also, where can I sign up? TIA

 

[krista4]

But that would not fare well with Krista and her desperate following

I would like to subscribe to the "when in doubt, blame Krista" newsletter.

Yeah, no crap. Gotta love a guy that gets bent out of shape about something I had nothing to do with and decides to attack me. Pretty dooshy.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I am going to be in federal court for most of the rest of the day. Put me on total autoskip if it gets to me - which it shouldn't.

 

[DCThunder]

I am going to be in federal court for most of the rest of the day. Put me on total autoskip if it gets to me - which it shouldn't.

Ohhhh...Look at Mr. Big Shot Lawyer heading off to court. Hey, Perry Mason, try to keep your client OUT of jail for once.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

27.13 Desperately Following Krista (Play) (Documentary) (Sculpture zzzzzzzzz)

 

[El Floppo]

26.19 - Forrest Gump by Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump - Acting Performance

One of the great American actors at his best. Love this movie and love Hanks' job in it.

Yowza. Hate this pick.There, see, I don't love every pick.

I know I'm up; just catching up.

PICK ALREADY

 

[krista4]

Will add write-up later; just want to get this moving.

I think it's because I'm wearing a hippie shirt today that I decided I really wanted this:

26.20 An Episode in the Life of an Artist Opus 14 aka Symphonie Fantastique - Hector Berlioz (Composition)

That's "Fantastic Symphony" for Yankee23Fan.

 

[krista4]

And for Fennis:

27.01 Glengarry Glen Ross - Play by David Mamet

My favorite Mamet although several others, and in other formats, are worthy for this draft.

Glengarry Glen Ross is a 1982 play written by David Mamet. The play shows parts of two days in the lives of four desperate Chicago real estate agents who are prepared to engage in any number of unethical, illegal acts—from lies and flattery to bribery, threats, intimidation, and burglary—to sell undesirable real estate to unwilling prospective buyers. The play draws partly on Mamet's experiences of life in a Chicago real estate office, where he worked briefly in the late 1960s. The title of the play comes from the names of two of the real estate developments being peddled by the salesmen characters, Glengarry Highlands and Glen Ross Farms

The play is noteworthy for the flow of persuasive patter of the salesmen characters, who spend much time trying to convince customers, the oily office manager, and even each other to give them what they want: down payments for real estate, access to valuable sales leads, and even co-operation in conspiracies. The play also shocked audiences with its (for the time) raw language, with its roughly 150 uses of the word "####" or variations (an average of once every 40 seconds of stage time), as in this early scene, when desperate salesman Shelley Levene tries to persuade the office manager, Williamson, to give Levene prospects (or "leads") to sell to:

Levene: I need the leads. I need them now. Or I'm gone, and you're going to miss me, John, I swear to you.

Williamson: Murray...

Levene: ...you talk to Murray...

Williamson: I have. And my job is to marshal those leads...

Levene: Marshal the leads...marshal the leads? What the ####, what bus did you get off of, we're here to ####### sell. #### marshaling the leads. What the #### talk is that? What the #### talk is that? Where did you learn that? In school?

(pause)

That's "talk," my friend, that's "talk." Our job is to sell. I'm the man to sell. I'm getting garbage.

(pause)

You're giving it to me, and what I'm saying is it's ####ed.

Clip from the play: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L2zbyHwe4UAlso an unbelievably good movie, but I won't comment further to avoid additional spotlighting.

 

[krista4]

27.13 Desperately Following Krista (Play) (Documentary) (Sculpture zzzzzzzzz)

I love the edits.

 

[krista4]

26.19 - Forrest Gump by Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump - Acting Performance

One of the great American actors at his best. Love this movie and love Hanks' job in it.

Yowza. Hate this pick.There, see, I don't love every pick.

I know I'm up; just catching up.

PICK ALREADY

Oh you hush, troublemaker.

 

[rodg12]

26.19 - Forrest Gump by Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump - Acting Performance

One of the great American actors at his best. Love this movie and love Hanks' job in it.

Yowza. Hate this pick.There, see, I don't love every pick.

I know I'm up; just catching up.

Sweet, thanks for using my pick to make a point.

 

[krista4]

26.19 - Forrest Gump by Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump - Acting Performance

One of the great American actors at his best. Love this movie and love Hanks' job in it.

Yowza. Hate this pick.There, see, I don't love every pick.

I know I'm up; just catching up.

Sweet, thanks for using my pick to make a point.

I'm sorry. :( But (MOVIE DRAFTERS TAKE NOTE) I have an almost irrational hatred of that movie. Believe me, I wish MisfitBlondes or my apparent new nemesis TidesofWar had taken it instead.On another note, I'd like to compliment my partner on his excellent pick. I love that play.

 

[TidesofWar]

anyone here that can take a pick at 27.08?

 

[timschochet]

Question about Glengarry Glen Ross- I've never seen nor read the play, but I have seen the movie more than once. Is the movie a reliable version of the play? Can I use that as my reference, or is it completely different?

 

[DCThunder]

And for Fennis:

27.01 Glengarry Glen Ross - Play by David Mamet

My favorite Mamet although several others, and in other formats, are worthy for this draft.

I've been waiting on picking this play for several rounds (like 10), but I was getting close to pulling the trigger. Very good pick and good value for Round 27.BTW, I agree with you on Forrest Gump. That movie is virtually unwatchable to me. How it won it's Oscar is beyond me.

 

[rodg12]

27.02 - The Book of Five Rings - Miyamoto Musashi - Non-fiction Book

The Book of Five Rings (五輪書, Go Rin No Sho?) is a text on kenjutsu and the martial arts in general, written by the samurai warrior Miyamoto Musashi circa 1645. It is composed of five parts:

* The Book of Earth chapter serves as an introduction, and metaphorically discusses martial arts, leadership, and training as building a house.

* The Book of Water chapter describes Musashi's style, Ni-ten ichi-ryu, or "Two Heavens, One Style". It describes some basic technique and fundamental principles.

* The Book of Fire chapter refers to the heat of battle, and discusses matters such as different types of timing.

* The Book of Wind chapter is something of a pun, since the Japanese character can mean both "wind" and "style" (e.g., of martial arts). It discusses what Musashi considers to be the failings of various contemporary schools of swordfighting.

* The Book of No-thing chapter is a short epilogue, describing, in more esoteric terms, Musashi's probably Zen-influenced thoughts on consciousness and the correct mindset.

At it's core, the book analyzes the process of struggle and mastery over conflict that underlies every level of human interaction. As such, it's influence reaches far beyond that of just martial arts. It is also a popular book among business leaders and athletes and its themes are applicable to pretty much all of us.

Wiki

 

[rodg12]

anyone here that can take a pick at 27.08?