Official Great Works Draft (4 Viewers)

[El Floppo]

Opens up a huge can of worms, IMO. Allows drafters to select specific cars, planes, computers, etc.ETA: Does it work just because it was drafted as a WC?

if the lens had been taken, would that disallow anything else that uses a lens?

Poor analogy.

I don't think so. Most of what's been drafted builds off of previous technology and ideas- if somebody takes a car, plane or computer that either uses new ideas or leads to new ideas, why shoudln't that be allowed? I don't see any can of worms here.eta: and obviously we're not talking about the Hubble as an Invention- clearly a Wild Card. But I could see a case for specific planes, trains and automobiles falling under the Invention Category, if the drafter wanted to make that argument.

 

[krista4]

Opens up a huge can of worms, IMO. Allows drafters to select specific cars, planes, computers, etc.ETA: Does it work just because it was drafted as a WC?

if the lens had been taken, would that disallow anything else that uses a lens?

Poor analogy.

I don't think so. Most of what's been drafted builds off of previous technology and ideas- if somebody takes a car, plane or computer that either uses new ideas or leads to new ideas, why shoudln't that be allowed? I don't see any can of worms here.

bunny, you owe a pick.

 

[Postradamus]

guys wildcard is just that, wild. I think anything goes there...great acts, endeavors, cartoons...anything. just deal with judging (I don't even know whats going on with judging anyway, I liked the pro bowl idea...)

I vote that we never stop drafting.

all in favor? I

 

[Bonzai]

40.03 The Good, The Bad and the Ugly (Movie)

Classic

The greatest use of music in a movie ever?

 

[rodg12]

Opens up a huge can of worms, IMO. Allows drafters to select specific cars, planes, computers, etc.

ETA: Does it work just because it was drafted as a WC?

if the lens had been taken, would that disallow anything else that uses a lens?

Poor analogy.

I don't think so. Most of what's been drafted builds off of previous technology and ideas- if somebody takes a car, plane or computer that either uses new ideas or leads to new ideas, why shoudln't that be allowed? I don't see any can of worms here.

Your analogy refers to something that uses another invention not a more specific type of the invention. We have allowed your analogy multiple times over in this draft without any comments from me (internal compustion engine and automobile; microprocessor and computer). This specific case revolves around a more specific type of something already taken in the Invention cat being drafted and is the first occurrence of that taking place.

 

[Bonzai]

Less complaining, more talking about how awesome my picks are.

 

[El Floppo]

Opens up a huge can of worms, IMO. Allows drafters to select specific cars, planes, computers, etc.

ETA: Does it work just because it was drafted as a WC?

if the lens had been taken, would that disallow anything else that uses a lens?

Poor analogy.

I don't think so. Most of what's been drafted builds off of previous technology and ideas- if somebody takes a car, plane or computer that either uses new ideas or leads to new ideas, why shoudln't that be allowed? I don't see any can of worms here.

Your analogy refers to something that uses another invention not a more specific type of the invention. We have allowed your analogy multiple times over in this draft without any comments from me (internal compustion engine and automobile; microprocessor and computer). This specific case revolves around a more specific type of something already taken in the Invention cat being drafted and is the first occurrence of that taking place.

I hear you. c: my eta above. IMO, the Hubble is the definition of a Great Work.

 

[rodg12]

eta: and obviously we're not talking about the Hubble as an Invention- clearly a Wild Card. But I could see a case for specific planes, trains and automobiles falling under the Invention Category, if the drafter wanted to make that argument.

The reason it opens up a can of worms is this......it would allow multiple instances of the same fundamental invention to rank above other inventions.

 

[rodg12]

Your analogy refers to something that uses another invention not a more specific type of the invention. We have allowed your analogy multiple times over in this draft without any comments from me (internal compustion engine and automobile; microprocessor and computer). This specific case revolves around a more specific type of something already taken in the Invention cat being drafted and is the first occurrence of that taking place.

I hear you. c: my eta above. IMO, the Hubble is the definition of a Great Work.

I'm cool with it being a WC (as well as other more specific instances of inventions). It's definitely a Great Work in and of itself. I just saw it as the first occurrence of something happening in this draft and wanted to quickly get a ruling on it to clarify for later picks.

 

[El Floppo]

eta: and obviously we're not talking about the Hubble as an Invention- clearly a Wild Card. But I could see a case for specific planes, trains and automobiles falling under the Invention Category, if the drafter wanted to make that argument.

The reason it opens up a can of worms is this......it would allow multiple instances of the same fundamental invention to rank above other inventions.

Maybe so. Not a problem for me.

 

[rodg12]

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[Fennis]

Little surprised by the pick of The Sound of Music (play). It's an outstanding movie, but a rather ordinary stage musical. In fact, given the tremendous plays of Rodgers and Hammerstein, this is rather low on the list.

I have to say, I have a mental list of the top ten stage musicals of all time, and none of them have been selected.

If Gypsy is not in your top 10 of stage musicals, your list needs to be revisited.

 

[Fennis]

Less complaining, more talking about how awesome my picks are.

Your team's awesome!!! (clap, clap, clap clap clap)Your team's awesome!!! (clap, clap, clap clap clap)

Ba na na na... Hey! Ba na na.Ba na na na... Hey! Ba na na.Ba na na na... Hey! Ba na na

 

[Fennis]

I tend to agree with BL, although Team Fennis is still working on the WC strategy.

Although I would HOPE the judges would judge the individual categories through the lens of the Greatest Works Draft, not as a great human achievement or great human events. This is the Greatest Work Draft.

 

[Abrantes]

40.03 The Good, The Bad and the Ugly (Movie)

Classic

Definitely one of the top candidates. The Ecstasy of Gold scene alone is more powerful than entire movies.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm back so I'll make my picks in a few.....

 

[Doug B]

eta: and obviously we're not talking about the Hubble as an Invention- clearly a Wild Card. But I could see a case for specific planes, trains and automobiles falling under the Invention Category, if the drafter wanted to make that argument.

The reason it opens up a can of worms is this......it would allow multiple instances of the same fundamental invention to rank above other inventions.

The Hubble Telesccope -- despite the name -- is light-years different from the hand-held double-lens tubes that Renaissance astronomers used. Not really comparable instruments in any way, except that they both employ lenses.Also, the Hubble can be evaluated as much more than a mere Invention. It's more of an ongoing project that stretches human technology and ingenuity to the limit. Getting that thing in orbit, keeping it maintained, all that can be taken as a singular effort made up of bunches of ongoing efforts.

 

[El Floppo]

I tend to agree with BL, although Team Fennis is still working on the WC strategy.

Although I would HOPE the judges would judge the individual categories through the lens of the Greatest Works Draft, not as a great human achievement or great human events. This is the Greatest Work Draft.

What's the difference? TIA.eta: ####er.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

where are we sticking operas?

 

[El Floppo]

where are we sticking operas?

:softball:

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I wasn't going to grab a political idea until late, but I've changed my mind. I'm not sure how this will rank against all the others, due both to the fact that I can't judge this and the fact that there haven't been that many selected. But, it seems to me to be a paramount requirement of my team to grab it, and so I shall.

I select the practical theory that led to the application of the United States Constitution, at least until 1913 or so. That great document was created with one overriding attribute in mind and that is a separation of powers of the various branches of government. No longer would it be allowed that the king is judge jury and executioner. The legislature would not have executive power. The Executive would not control every aspect of the judiciary. It's a concept that in practice has been around since the first democratic idea came to the mind of man, yet the American version was a fairly exceptional attempt to come as close to a pure separation as you can have in a republic governed by man.

Of course, since it's inception, we've done our best ot blur the lines drawn, and in all fairness to politics, that blurring is both essential and unavoidable. Still, the theory that a government can be created in such a way as to ensure the executive, legislative and judicial functions are as independent from each other as possible is a crowing achievment in political theory. The problem, as always in politics, is that institutions of man suffer the same failures of man.

I select, The Separation of Powers, executive, legislative and judicial as codified by the American Constitution as my political ideal.

 

[Bonzai]

Dissappointed that my Free Markets pick didn't inspire a Yankee meltdown. I unignored his last two posts for nothing.

 

[Doug B]

Although I would HOPE the judges would judge the individual categories through the lens of the Greatest Works Draft, not as a great human achievement or great human events. This is the Greatest Work Draft.

If thisis the way it is, I'd like to know now. Don't want to get judged harshly at the end, and then someone come back ans say "well ... it wasn't a Great Work. Sorry." Post-draft is not the time to spring this on people. Let me know know so I can take Great Works that everyone can agree on.Let me offer up a strawman that may or may not help elucidate the situation. Bobby Layne seemed to be cool with Apollo 11 as a Great Work (if I read him correctly). I am also assuming that he was cool with the Challenger Deep descent that I picked, as he didn't comment on that one way or the other.

Does anyone think that things like Apollo 11, Magellan's circumnavigation, or the Challenger Deep descent DO NOT belong in this draft, even as Wild Cards?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm going to now grab one of my favorite paintings with the clear understanding that there is a good chance it's ranked dead last by the judge. Because it wasn't a great painted by a great. It isn't Picasso or DaVinci. It isn't a painting of God, or of a mutant looking like it's screaming because the painting it's in sucks.

No, this painting depicts one of the most significant moments in the history of this country, and of the Western world. It depicts the American David standing above his men, leading them into a fight that would forever change the course of a war for independence that made the world shudder and ushered in the American era. It wasn't the last battle that they journeyed to, but it may have been the greatest. For the small group of underfed, underarmed, undertrained farmers and patriots followed the great Washington on Christmas day into Trenton, New Jersey, to fight a battle that no one expected. A battle that Washington, on December 25, 1776, became an even greater man then he already was.

I select, Washington Crossing the Delaware by Emanuel Leutze. It is a romantic and powerful picture of a great man about to accomplish a great thing.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

39.18 Free Markets (Philosophic/Political Idea)

Glad to take this here. Staying in the draft on my own, I was debating taking the Tao Te Ching or The Wealth of Nations with my first pick. Glad to get the philosophical backbone to one of those great works and one of the most important philosophical ideas in human history in the 39th round.

Another great pick in an ever-harder category to judge. The short review is completely accurate as well. The idea of the free market is another of those vastly important foundations of not only this country but of the republican/democratic ideal. You cannot have the government of our Constitution without a free market and the recognition of property rights. You cannot have a true freedom or liberty either. Great great pick.

 

[Fennis]

I tend to agree with BL, although Team Fennis is still working on the WC strategy.

Although I would HOPE the judges would judge the individual categories through the lens of the Greatest Works Draft, not as a great human achievement or great human events. This is the Greatest Work Draft.

What's the difference? TIA.eta: ####er.

ya #######

 

[rodg12]

DC Thunder timed out a while back. Scott/Anborn is OTC.

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[thatguy]

38.09 - The Idiot by Fyodor Dostoevsky, Novel

This is what I call a great value pick. The Idiot is a masterpiece of fiction. I don't think it'd make my top 10 list of novels, but it's certainly top 20.

Are you my guy or not? I need to know.

If you PM me a question, I'll PM you an answer. I'll be your exclusive freelance consultant, how's that? (suckie suckie to be paid on a per pick basis)

I don't want to make picks for your team though. That led to a recent breakup of mine and I'm not ready for another relationship yet. Give me time. By round 50 I might be emotionally healed enough to ask for a partnership.

Let's just take it slow for now, ok? Hold me and tell me I'm wonderful and I'll whisper sweet picks into your ears.

Would you like me to whisper sweet nothings into your ear? I hear you sensitive types like that kind of thing.

 

[thatguy]

39.12 - Diet for a Small Planet by Francis Moore Lappé, Non-fiction

A bit of a bleeding-heart is Francis Moore Lappé, but she was way ahead of her time when she wrote Diet for a Small Planet in 1971. Key ideas she presented were:

Hunger is not caused by lack food, but by lack of democracy.
Humans can fulfill their protein requirements through a plant-based diet (essential amino acids could be combined from different sources) ... from Wiki - "she later recanted her emphasis on combining proteins from plant sources, consistent with findings that mimicking the composition of animal proteins is not essential to human nutrition."
The interests of the food industry often run contrary the best interest of the individual - Who asked for Froot Loops?And now many a best-seller is built upon the framework laid out some 38 years ago; movies too - I look forward to the upcoming Food, Inc.

I'm embarrassed to say I've never heard of this, and I should have. I'm going to check it out.

Ditto - and I love picls like this for that reason.Chicken tandoori at the BobbyLayne house tonight. Do you have a clay tandoori pot in your kitchen? Get one...seriously. I mean its like OMG yes cookin' - its that good.

We were in SE Asia last July for about 2-1/2 weeks, and at every meal I just ordered whatever came in a clay pot. Still do it at the Vietnamese restaurants here, too. I don't know if they're different than the Indian clay pots for tandoori, but I anything in the clay pot.The krista4 household is having Indian for dinner tonight, too! Delivery, though.

I loves me some Indian foods.

 

[Fennis]

39.12 - Diet for a Small Planet by Francis Moore Lappé, Non-fiction

A bit of a bleeding-heart is Francis Moore Lappé, but she was way ahead of her time when she wrote Diet for a Small Planet in 1971. Key ideas she presented were:

Hunger is not caused by lack food, but by lack of democracy.
Humans can fulfill their protein requirements through a plant-based diet (essential amino acids could be combined from different sources) ... from Wiki - "she later recanted her emphasis on combining proteins from plant sources, consistent with findings that mimicking the composition of animal proteins is not essential to human nutrition."
The interests of the food industry often run contrary the best interest of the individual - Who asked for Froot Loops?And now many a best-seller is built upon the framework laid out some 38 years ago; movies too - I look forward to the upcoming Food, Inc.

I'm embarrassed to say I've never heard of this, and I should have. I'm going to check it out.

Ditto - and I love picls like this for that reason.Chicken tandoori at the BobbyLayne house tonight. Do you have a clay tandoori pot in your kitchen? Get one...seriously. I mean its like OMG yes cookin' - its that good.

We were in SE Asia last July for about 2-1/2 weeks, and at every meal I just ordered whatever came in a clay pot. Still do it at the Vietnamese restaurants here, too. I don't know if they're different than the Indian clay pots for tandoori, but I anything in the clay pot.The krista4 household is having Indian for dinner tonight, too! Delivery, though.

I loves me some Indian foods.

maize and the entire bison

 

[anborn]

Team Norwood/Anborn selects:



40.05 - The Great Wave off Kanagawa (Hokusai, 1832) - Painting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Great_Wa...f_Kanagawa2.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Wave_off_Kanagawa

http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/coll...px?oid=60013238

The most iconic work from one of the most famous Japanese artists. Sure its a woodblock print, but it should count (as escher's relativity was a lithograph and it counted as well).

This should close out our painting category (I think).

 

[Bob Lee Swagger]

40.06 - Throne of Blood (Kumonosu jô) - Akira Kurosawa - Movie

This is Kurosawa's film adaptation of Macbeth. It stars the legendary Toshirō Mifune as Taketori Washizu. I first saw it in a military history class in high school, and it's since become one of my favorite films. Some of the creepiest and most beautifully-shot scenes I've ever seen. Also, it was T.S. Eliot's favorite movie :(

If you haven't seen it, check it out. It's worth it.

 

[DCThunder]

Sorry I missed my next pick, I was getting my FiOS installed and was without innerweb connectivity.

Anyway, I'll take at 40.04--The Last of the Mohicans-James Fenimore Cooper-Novel

The second book of The Leatherstocking tales, the Last of the Mohicans tells a story of warefare, betrayal and treachery between the British, the French, the pioneers and the Native Americans during the Seven Years War (or French and Indian Wars) of the mid 18th century. Written in 1826, this novel became one of the lmost widely read novels of the century and Cooper was an influence on many later novelists, some of whome have been picked and some of who have not. While the style of writing doesn't really lend itself to 21st century readers, there is no question that this story was well received and it has been made into several very popular movies.

 

[thatguy]

Can I take Laissez-faire as a political idea, or is it too similar to free market?

If I can take it, then my pick is:

Laissez-faire

 

[BobbyLayne]

Team Norwood/Anborn selects:



40.05 - The Great Wave off Kanagawa (Hokusai, 1832) - Painting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Great_Wa...f_Kanagawa2.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Wave_off_Kanagawa

http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/coll...px?oid=60013238

The most iconic work from one of the most famous Japanese artists. Sure its a woodblock print, but it should count (as escher's relativity was a lithograph and it counted as well).

This should close out our painting category (I think).

Saw the copy at the Met this weekend. Sure it's allowed, and I knew this would get drafted along with Escher. Neither seems likely to score out very well - but they are both iconic and popular, so it might do well with whatever popular vote method we settle upon.Wood cuts, lithographs, drawings, tapestry, series paintings - all are allowed in the painting category. Bear in mind its a very, very deep category (guess the same could be said of most categories). Tough call to say whether square peg/round hole works will do any better in the Wild Card cat as that one is even more diverse.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Can I take Laissez-faire as a political idea, or is it too similar to free market?If I can take it, then my pick is:Laissez-faire

Or just draft Free Markets. Ummm...

 

[thatguy]

Can I take Laissez-faire as a political idea, or is it too similar to free market?If I can take it, then my pick is:Laissez-faire

Or just draft Free Markets. Ummm...

It just got drafted.

 

[Chiwawa]

MisfitBlondes' Pick

40.07 Cheers (TV Show)

Cheers is an American situation comedy television series that ran for eleven seasons from 1982 to 1993. It was produced by Charles/Burrows/Charles Productions in association with CBS Television Studios for NBC, having been created by the team of James Burrows, Glen Charles, and Les Charles. The show is set in the Cheers bar (named for the toast "Cheers") in Boston, Massachusetts, where a group of locals meet to drink and have fun. The show's theme song was written by Judy Hart Angelo and Gary Portnoy and performed by Portnoy;[1] its famous refrain, "Where Everybody Knows Your Name" also became the show's tagline.

After premiering on September 30, 1982, it was nearly cancelled during its first season when it ranked dead last in ratings (77th out of 77 shows).[2][3][4] However, Cheers eventually became a highly rated television show in the United States, earning a top-ten rating during eight of its eleven seasons, including one season at #1, and spending the bulk of its run on NBC's "Must See Thursday" lineup. Its widely watched series finale was broadcast on May 20, 1993. The show's 273 episodes have been successfully syndicated worldwide, and have earned 26 Emmy Awards from a record 111 nominations.[5] The character Frasier Crane (Kelsey Grammer) was featured in his own successful spin-off, Frasier, which included guest appearances by most of the major Cheers characters.

I am really surprised this show lasted this long.

 

[Doug B]

Although I would HOPE the judges would judge the individual categories through the lens of the Greatest Works Draft, not as a great human achievement or great human events. This is the Greatest Work Draft.

If thisis the way it is, I'd like to know now. Don't want to get judged harshly at the end, and then someone come back ans say "well ... it wasn't a Great Work. Sorry." Post-draft is not the time to spring this on people. Let me know know so I can take Great Works that everyone can agree on.Let me offer up a strawman that may or may not help elucidate the situation. Bobby Layne seemed to be cool with Apollo 11 as a Great Work (if I read him correctly). I am also assuming that he was cool with the Challenger Deep descent that I picked, as he didn't comment on that one way or the other.

Does anyone think that things like Apollo 11, Magellan's circumnavigation, or the Challenger Deep descent DO NOT belong in this draft, even as Wild Cards?

Bump. Is this really resolved? I don't think we've got 20 drafters agreeing on this matter.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Can I take Laissez-faire as a political idea, or is it too similar to free market?

If I can take it, then my pick is:

Laissez-faire

Or just draft Free Markets.

Ummm...

It just got drafted.

Easiest call of the draft IMO, but wouldn't be surprised to come back tonight to find we argued about it for 3 pages, made the wrong call, then reversed it 2 hours later.

rodg12 - dude, Hubble telescope was a friggin' huge leap forward. In no way should your invention of the telescope pick limit anyone from drafting it.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

Have had this one planned for this category since the start.

Wasn't sure if it would be on anyone else's radar, until Bonzai's last post.

Here's his other philosophical backbone.

40.08 Tao (Philosophical/Political Idea)

Tao (道, pinyin: dào (help·info) ) is a concept found in Taoism, Confucianism, and more generally in ancient Chinese philosophy. While the character itself translates as 'way', 'path', or 'route', or sometimes more loosely as 'doctrine' or 'principle', it is used philosophically to signify the fundamental or true nature of the world. The concept of Tao differs from Western ontology, however; it is an active and holistic conception of the world, rather than a static, atomistic one.

Tao both precedes and encompasses the universe. As with other nondualistic philosophies, all the observable objects in the world - referred to in the Tao Te Ching as 'the named' or 'the ten thousand things' - are considered to be manifestations of Tao, and can only operate within the boundaries of Tao. Tao is, by contrast, often referred to as 'the nameless', because neither it nor its principles can ever be adequately expressed in words. It is conceived, for example, with neither shape nor form, as simultaneously perfectly still and constantly moving, as both larger than the largest thing and smaller than the smallest, because the words that describe shape, movement, size, or other qualities always create dichotomies, and Tao is always a unity.

While the Tao cannot be expressed, Taoism holds that it can be known, and its principles can be followed. Much of Taoist writing focuses on the value of following the Tao - called Te (virtue) - and of the ultimate uselessness of trying to understand or control Tao outright. This is often expressed through yin and yang arguments, where every action creates a counter-action as a natural, unavoidable movement within manifestations of the Tao.

TaijituTao is often compared to water: clear, colorless, unremarkable, yet all beings depend on it for life, and even the hardest stone cannot stand in its way forever.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

Although I would HOPE the judges would judge the individual categories through the lens of the Greatest Works Draft, not as a great human achievement or great human events. This is the Greatest Work Draft.

If thisis the way it is, I'd like to know now. Don't want to get judged harshly at the end, and then someone come back ans say "well ... it wasn't a Great Work. Sorry." Post-draft is not the time to spring this on people. Let me know know so I can take Great Works that everyone can agree on.Let me offer up a strawman that may or may not help elucidate the situation. Bobby Layne seemed to be cool with Apollo 11 as a Great Work (if I read him correctly). I am also assuming that he was cool with the Challenger Deep descent that I picked, as he didn't comment on that one way or the other.

Does anyone think that things like Apollo 11, Magellan's circumnavigation, or the Challenger Deep descent DO NOT belong in this draft, even as Wild Cards?

Bump. Is this really resolved? I don't think we've got 20 drafters agreeing on this matter.

I think great feats should be included (one could argue that great works are just the end result of great feats).

eta -> plus at least one of our current categories, is strictly feat based (Sports Record) . . .

 

[rodg12]

Although I would HOPE the judges would judge the individual categories through the lens of the Greatest Works Draft, not as a great human achievement or great human events. This is the Greatest Work Draft.

If thisis the way it is, I'd like to know now. Don't want to get judged harshly at the end, and then someone come back ans say "well ... it wasn't a Great Work. Sorry." Post-draft is not the time to spring this on people. Let me know know so I can take Great Works that everyone can agree on.Let me offer up a strawman that may or may not help elucidate the situation. Bobby Layne seemed to be cool with Apollo 11 as a Great Work (if I read him correctly). I am also assuming that he was cool with the Challenger Deep descent that I picked, as he didn't comment on that one way or the other.

Does anyone think that things like Apollo 11, Magellan's circumnavigation, or the Challenger Deep descent DO NOT belong in this draft, even as Wild Cards?

Bump. Is this really resolved? I don't think we've got 20 drafters agreeing on this matter.

I think great feats should be included (one could argue that great works are just the end result of great feats).

 

[timschochet]

My ruling is that Laissez-faire cannot be drafted as it essentially means the same thing as free markets.

 

[Bob Lee Swagger]

Although I would HOPE the judges would judge the individual categories through the lens of the Greatest Works Draft, not as a great human achievement or great human events. This is the Greatest Work Draft.

If thisis the way it is, I'd like to know now. Don't want to get judged harshly at the end, and then someone come back ans say "well ... it wasn't a Great Work. Sorry." Post-draft is not the time to spring this on people. Let me know know so I can take Great Works that everyone can agree on.Let me offer up a strawman that may or may not help elucidate the situation. Bobby Layne seemed to be cool with Apollo 11 as a Great Work (if I read him correctly). I am also assuming that he was cool with the Challenger Deep descent that I picked, as he didn't comment on that one way or the other.

Does anyone think that things like Apollo 11, Magellan's circumnavigation, or the Challenger Deep descent DO NOT belong in this draft, even as Wild Cards?

Bump. Is this really resolved? I don't think we've got 20 drafters agreeing on this matter.

I think great feats should be included (one could argue that great works are just the end result of great feats).

Count me in for great feats.

 

[thatguy]

My ruling is that Laissez-faire cannot be drafted as it essentially means the same thing as free markets.

Poop.

 

[rodg12]

SKIPPED

38.11 - Thatguy (autoskip)

39.06 - Abrantes (autoskip)

39.10 - Thatguy

39.11 - El Floppo

39.19 - Tirnan (autoskip if not around)

40.02 - Tirnan (autoskip if not around)

40.09 - Team CIA (autoskip)

40.10 - El Floppo (autoskip if not here in first 15)

40.11 - Thatguy (autoskip)

40.12 - Big Rocks - OTC until :28

40.13 - Tides of War

40.14 - BobbyLayne (autoskip)

40.15 - Abrantes (autoskip)

40.16 - Doug B (autoskip)

40.17 - Timscochet

40.18 - Postradamus

40.19 - Rodg

40.20 - Krista

 

[krista4]

My ruling is that Laissez-faire cannot be drafted as it essentially means the same thing as free markets.

Poop.

Invention?

Scientific discovery?

 

[Uncle Humuna]

My ruling is that Laissez-faire cannot be drafted as it essentially means the same thing as free markets.

Poop.

Invention?

Scientific discovery?

Sculpture?

 

[Big Rocks]

My ruling is that Laissez-faire cannot be drafted as it essentially means the same thing as free markets.

Poop.

Invention?

Scientific discovery?

Definitely a play.