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***Official Grilling and Smoking Thread*** (3 Viewers)

shuke said:
Man, that is the best part of smoking.  "Honey, I'll be outside getting drunk tending the smoker".
Yup, and avoiding have to leave the house to do stupid #### with the wife. “Let’s Drive an hour to a rug store in New Hampshire that Jen says has awesome rugs for cheap I’m sick of the one in the dining room.” ...“Can’t. I’m cooking meat. And I’m drunk. Let me know how it goes.”

 
Going to use the BBQ Vortex


Someone explain to me why this is $45.
I can't. You ever had something you wanted and said "Too much. Not worth the cost" and then ended up buying it anyway? That happened here with the Vortex.

I will say it is very heavy 20 gauge stainless steel and has a variety of uses. I got mine for $40 from Owens BBQ. All that said, yeah it's over priced....and I love it.

 
I can't. You ever had something you wanted and said "Too much. Not worth the cost" and then ended up buying it anyway? That happened here with the Vortex.

I will say it is very heavy 20 gauge stainless steel and has a variety of uses. I got mine for $40 from Owens BBQ. All that said, yeah it's over priced....and I love it.
I can honestly say I don't understand what it's purpose is

 
Up the ante and get you a slow-n-sear from abcbarbecue.com

Yeah, it's expensive (moreso than the vortex).  No, I'm not shilling for the company.  I found them early last year, loved the idea, made by some respected people within the online smoking community, balked heavily at the price.  So I asked for gift cards to them for Xmas, got it, can say it's worth the price asked.  As a relative noob to smoking, I've produced some rockin' Q since the SNS addition.  Just did another batch of beef short ribs after work Wednesday...so simple and easy, and who doesn't love brisket on a stick?

 
Pellet grills are effortless and ensure you're meat is cooked to perfection every time, but mass-produced, automated BBQ has no soul. Random hot spots and temperature fluctuation caused by overindulgence / neglect are what gives BBQ its character. The beer drinking part is good too. 
By character you mean over cooking things, under cooking other things, burning some stuff and having food done too early or too late? That's not character. That's unhappy dinner guests. 

 
I can honestly say I don't understand what it's purpose is
I've seen similar looking devices that were intended to give you a blast of absurdly high heat, mimicking the blast burners traditionally used for stir-fry, like this 

I don't know if this is the same deal or not; the "vortex" name seems like it might be.  But some of the pics also seem to use it for indirect cooking.

 
It sure would have been handy when my big Shepherd had surgery and figured out a way to twist the plastic cone-of-shame into her mouth and shred it.

 
I hate to break it to you, but a stick burning offset also does not have a soul. 
And food cooked with pellets, charcoal, gas, electric, whatever just doesn't have the same flavor as food cooked over well seasoned and curated local wood. I know that may sound nuts to some but I can taste it and there is a reason the best joints all use wood. The day Franklin, Mueller, Killen, Micklethwaite, Mixon, McStagger, etc.start cooking with pellets I'll reconsider.

 
And food cooked with pellets, charcoal, gas, electric, whatever just doesn't have the same flavor as food cooked over well seasoned and curated local wood. I know that may sound nuts to some but I can taste it and there is a reason the best joints all use wood. The day Franklin, Mueller, Killen, Micklethwaite, Mixon, McStagger, etc.start cooking with pellets I'll reconsider.
Last I checked, stick burners didn't make a clean sweep at the Royal, MiM, the Jack or any other BBQ comp on the planet. I wonder why that is?

 
Anyone have experience with temp control mods onto existing charcoal smoker?  I have 18 WSM.  Looking at PartyQ by BBQ Guru and Flame Boss..  I have friends that each have one of these.  Both are good, the knock on PartyQ is that it goes through batteries pretty quickly. 

 
Anyone have experience with temp control mods onto existing charcoal smoker?  I have 18 WSM.  Looking at PartyQ by BBQ Guru and Flame Boss..  I have friends that each have one of these.  Both are good, the knock on PartyQ is that it goes through batteries pretty quickly. 

 
Last I checked, stick burners didn't make a clean sweep at the Royal, MiM, the Jack or any other BBQ comp on the planet. I wonder why that is?
1) Comp food is different from real food.

2) If everything you guys espoused about pellet machines was true stick burners shouldn't win anything.

 
I'm not a pellet pooper guy, but they have gotten to the point they make damn good que, and they do indeed show up in comps. 

I'm PERSONALLY of the opinion they don't get QUITE the same flavor as a good stick fire or charcoal + wood chunks, but I have zero data to quantify that, so I don't fault anyone for using pellets. They are indeed incredibly convenient. My buddy's Yoder YS640 on Comp Cart was a beast of a machine that churned out great briskets when we cooked on it. Pellets are amazing for overnight cooks. 

 
I can honestly say I don't understand what it's purpose is


I've seen similar looking devices that were intended to give you a blast of absurdly high heat, mimicking the blast burners traditionally used for stir-fry, like this 

I don't know if this is the same deal or not; the "vortex" name seems like it might be.  But some of the pics also seem to use it for indirect cooking.
This (if used narrow end up).

It can be used in 4 configurations:

  • Direct-high heat searing (narrow end up, coals in the cone and food direct) ---> Steaks
  • Indirect/Direct-high heat indirect cooking (narrow end up, coals in the cone and food indirect) ---> Wings
  • Indirect-low and slow (wide end up, coals outside the cone and food indirect) ---> Brisket (I'll never use in this config as I'd do a traditional smoke)
  • Infrared-radiant heat (wide end up, coals outside the cone and food indirect/inside the cone) ---> Beer can chicken
 
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And I love the passionate debates that come along with BBQ.  :lol:

- Types of smokers

- Styles of BBQ

- Best meats to use

- What thickness of foil

-Butcher paper or foil

- on and on and on.....

BBQ is peace and love. Good food, good beer, good friends...I haven't met a bad rib yet.  Don't care how it comes to me or where it comes from - if someone takes the time to make me some Q I am one happy dude.  :banned:

 
1) Comp food is different from real food.

2) If everything you guys espoused about pellet machines was true stick burners shouldn't win anything.
It's a little different from real food, but it is also a level playing field where everyone is judged the same way, and quite honestly, I believe the awards are spread out pretty evenly between pellet cookers, stick burners, kamados and all sorts of other cookers from old hickory commercial jobs to ugly drum smokers. And by level playing field, judges are looking at food prepared all the same way essentially, overly sweet so one bit gets them the points, and these judges are trained and do hundreds of comps and yet the stick burners don't win every time. That tells me, that the difference between the platforms is negligible. 

All of them are fine cookers and I've cooked on every one of them other than the latter two. When I got my Traeger, I didn't throw all my other grills away. All have a purpose and I use them all from time to time. I just use my Traeger the most because of the lifestyle thing. Well, that's not true. I did get rid of my stick burner. It was old, rusty and took up a ton of space and the brand that made it wasn't sponsoring me so I had to pass that on to a neighbor who has done a little TLC to it and has given it a second life. 

I didn't get rid of the stick burner because it made bad BBQ, I got rid of it for all sorts of other reasons. Just because I prefer a pellet smoker, doesn't mean I'm going to take a dump all over any other type of grill. Hell, I've made brisket in one of those little squarish Wal-Mart grills that has the red lid and black base. The brisket came out great even though there was a hole rusted in the bottom (I'm not entirely sure this didn't help the cooking process). Does that mean I'm going to drop everything else and go with that $40 piece of crap? Nope. It was a giant PITA to cook on those things with as small as they are. Constantly adding fuel and wood. 

BTW, that's a true story about the crappy Wal-Mart grill as documented here by my dad. This is a very old post so forgive the bad photography. 

 
I think I've come off as a little harsher than I really feel on pellet smokers.  I do believe they are a reasonable alternative for people that don't have the time or desire to use a stick burner.  They're just not for me and my preferences.  I do believe that they don't produce Q that is on par with a well-run stick burner, but I feel the same way about most other methods.

But the truth is as long as you're enjoying your process and producing Q that you and your family and friends like then whatever you're using is the right choice for you. 

 
I think I've come off as a little harsher than I really feel on pellet smokers.  I do believe they are a reasonable alternative for people that don't have the time or desire to use a stick burner.  They're just not for me and my preferences.  I do believe that they don't produce Q that is on par with a well-run stick burner, but I feel the same way about most other methods.

But the truth is as long as you're enjoying your process and producing Q that you and your family and friends like then whatever you're using is the right choice for you. 
You wouldn't be Ron Swanson if you didn't, IMO.

 
I think I've come off as a little harsher than I really feel on pellet smokers.  I do believe they are a reasonable alternative for people that don't have the time or desire to use a stick burner.  They're just not for me and my preferences.  I do believe that they don't produce Q that is on par with a well-run stick burner, but I feel the same way about most other methods.

But the truth is as long as you're enjoying your process and producing Q that you and your family and friends like then whatever you're using is the right choice for you. 
I'd be willing to bet if I place ribs prepared identically in a kamado, stick burner, pellet smoker and a kettle, that you would be hard pressed to find the one that came off the stick burner.

I know, you're probably scoffing at that. Remember the pepsi/coke challenge many, many years ago and how everyone scoffed because it's so easy to determine which was which as pepsi is sweeter. Well, someone did a study where they added a third cola and when they did, the percentage of people that could name all three dropped to a crazy low number. There may be a difference, but I doubt most would be able to differentiate it from a well run kamado, pellet smoker, or kettle.

 
Over the weekend, grilled some Lamb for me and the kids and a small steak for my wife (she's not into lamb). 

I'm planning on grilling on the 6th about noon central and broadcasting it live on Instagram Live. I'm cooking in conjunction with this guy from Germany that has mad skills. If you want to check it out, you can tune in here. Still deciding on a menu. He wants to do a prime rib, but cooking a prime rib at noon means a TON of expensive meat that is not going to be eaten. I might do a three bone PR and invite some people over. I might throw on a brisket the night before and at least I can freeze that for chili. I could always freeze the prime rib for chili too, but that seems even crazier than making all that brisket for chili. 

 
^my Publix had a sale on frozen baby backs at $2/lb, so I bought 2 slabs.  Uncertain as to the sides, but might give smoked mac-n-cheese a try

 
I slow smoked some thick-cut bacon with maple syrup over cherrywood for an ice-bowl disc golf tournament this weekend. The smell drifting through the woods during the 1st round was intoxicating. After 2.5 hours, the pieces towards the center were just starting to color and firm up. They were almost a sticky, buttery consistency that literally melted in your mouth. It was like you could've spread a piece of bacon onto a cracker. I had one guy tell me it was the best thing he's ever eaten in his life, and another guy tell me that if he was on death-row, he would have the warden search me down and prepare this smoked bacon for his final meal.  :porked:  

 
put a pork shoulder on the pbc this morning....almost ready to wrap....been awhile so excited for this tonight...

 
I slow smoked some thick-cut bacon with maple syrup over cherrywood for an ice-bowl disc golf tournament this weekend. The smell drifting through the woods during the 1st round was intoxicating. After 2.5 hours, the pieces towards the center were just starting to color and firm up. They were almost a sticky, buttery consistency that literally melted in your mouth. It was like you could've spread a piece of bacon onto a cracker. I had one guy tell me it was the best thing he's ever eaten in his life, and another guy tell me that if he was on death-row, he would have the warden search me down and prepare this smoked bacon for his final meal.  :porked:  
Combining Disc Golf and bacon .... Brilliant!!! :thumbup:

 
Did some prime fillets Sat night and ribs on Sunday. The steaks on Sat were absolutely fantastic. The interesting thing is that this was the first time I've ever grilled steak over charcoal. For low and slow its the WSM 22" and for grilling I've always used the Weber Genesis E-330. A few pages back I commented that I made a modification on the WSM by adding another grate that's 5" down from the top grate. I've used that new grate level to grill chicken wings with the coals on that new level inside a Vortex. So, I decided to try this orientation out with the steaks.

It's only one cook and don't get me wrong I still love my the Genesis but I think I may be changing my mind that grilling over gas is just as good as with charcoal. I'm going to have to grill on over charcoal a few more times before making it official but the Genesis might be relegated to only quick grilling on work nights.

 
Did some prime fillets Sat night and ribs on Sunday. The steaks on Sat were absolutely fantastic. The interesting thing is that this was the first time I've ever grilled steak over charcoal. For low and slow its the WSM 22" and for grilling I've always used the Weber Genesis E-330. A few pages back I commented that I made a modification on the WSM by adding another grate that's 5" down from the top grate. I've used that new grate level to grill chicken wings with the coals on that new level inside a Vortex. So, I decided to try this orientation out with the steaks.

It's only one cook and don't get me wrong I still love my the Genesis but I think I may be changing my mind that grilling over gas is just as good as with charcoal. I'm going to have to grill on over charcoal a few more times before making it official but the Genesis might be relegated to only quick grilling on work nights.
I thought that was the only way to grill on gas? :shrug:

On a side note, loving the fact that we are going to see some warmer weather and going to crawl out of my grilling hibernation and do some outdoor cooking. Kids are tired of chicken casseroles my wife makes about 6 nights a week. 

 
TheFanatic said:
I thought that was the only way to grill on gas? :shrug:

On a side note, loving the fact that we are going to see some warmer weather and going to crawl out of my grilling hibernation and do some outdoor cooking. Kids are tired of chicken casseroles my wife makes about 6 nights a week. 
I hear ya but for me gas was my only option until the WSM modification. Since I now have that option and using it for wings and most recently steaks I'm becoming a convert.

 
Good looking!  That a plain salt and pepper rub or something extra?
Just sea salt and fresh cracked black pepper. I'm a purist and prefer the smoke and meat to do the talking. I don't pre rub, and I don't mop or spritz. I like bark to be on the dry side like jerky.

 
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I hear ya but for me gas was my only option until the WSM modification. Since I now have that option and using it for wings and most recently steaks I'm becoming a convert.
I LOVE having a gas grill on my deck, but given enough time, charcoal is way better. 

 
I just recently bought a rib/chicken hanger for my WSM and I have a few questions for those of you who have smoked in this fashion.

For ribs:

  • Do you use a water pan? Not planning on it and would think letting the drippings hit the coals would add some great flavor.
  • What's your cooking temp? Around 300?
  • How long do you leave em on?
  • Do you still take them off an wrap at some point or just let em hang for the entire cook?
Thanks

 
Off today. Grilling a thick cut, bone in NY Strip with mashed potatoes and gravy for lunch. Family requested burgers and fries for dinner. At least I will be occupied. Couldn't do anything yesterday due to about 3 inches (no joke) of freezing rain. My backyard still looks like Lake Michigan.

:wall:

 
I'm doing this thing for the US Pork council. Got some tomahawk pork chops. Thinking of a reverse sear and then drizzling with a sauce or glazing them. Any ideas?

 
I'm doing this thing for the US Pork council. Got some tomahawk pork chops. Thinking of a reverse sear and then drizzling with a sauce or glazing them. Any ideas?
The Jamie Purviance red wine reduction is pretty good with pork chops. 

2tsp oil

add garlic and saute for a minute

1 cup red wine. Boil until 1/4 reduced (about 8 minutes)

Add 3/4 cup beef broth. return to boil. Cook until reduced 1/4 (again, 8 or 9 minutes)

add 1/3 cup plum jam or preserves, 2 tsp red wine vinegar, 1 sprig of rosemary

simmer until slightly thickened stirring occasionally. 

remove from heat, add 1-1/2 tsp butter, 1/4 tsp salt, 1/8 tsp pepper

He serves it with roasted plums

 
The Jamie Purviance red wine reduction is pretty good with pork chops. 

2tsp oil

add garlic and saute for a minute

1 cup red wine. Boil until 1/4 reduced (about 8 minutes)

Add 3/4 cup beef broth. return to boil. Cook until reduced 1/4 (again, 8 or 9 minutes)

add 1/3 cup plum jam or preserves, 2 tsp red wine vinegar, 1 sprig of rosemary

simmer until slightly thickened stirring occasionally. 

remove from heat, add 1-1/2 tsp butter, 1/4 tsp salt, 1/8 tsp pepper

He serves it with roasted plums
That's not bad at all, and it would be a dark sauce so it would contrast "the other white meat" but it just occurred to me that the US Pork Council may not want me using beef broth in the recipe. 

 

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