CletiusMaximus
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How long and what temp do you use to parbake the crust?
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Pizzaguys - The definitive "Making pizza at home" thread (1 Viewer)
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How long and what temp do you use to parbake the crust?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
400 degrees. Probably about 3 minutes per side. Honestly not positive, kind of a feel thing at this point. Depends on how thick we are doing it.
I have become a fan of a sweeter whole wheat crust and that i do longer for sure.
the moops
Footballguy
Been on quite a kick these days. Routinely have friends over and do a pizza fest. Here's how I am rolling these days.
Make 3 types of dough a couple days before hand. Neopolitan dough (enough for four 12 inch pies), Detroit style (enough for 1 large and 1 small - I have two sizes of the Lloyd pans), NY style dough (enough for two ~16 inch pies). Cold ferment all of these, anywhere from 1-4 days. Three days seems optimal.
Sometimes 3 types of sauce, more generally just two. A cooked down flavorful for the Detroit. And then mostly just a good can of whole peeled tomatoes - Bianco DiNapoli are my favorite, strained, pulsed with immersion blender with just salt.
Take out Detroit doughs at 11 AM or so let them come to room temp for a few hours. Oil up the pans, put those doughs in their pan around 2:00. Push them to edges little bit a few times over the next couple hours. Take out other doughs at 4:00. Fire up oven to highest temp with pizza steel. Let it heat up for 2 hours. Turn on Ooni at 5:15, let that thing get roaring for 30-45 minutes.
6:00 start the cooking fest. Put both Detroits in on top of pizza steel, let them cook 15-25 minutes. Bust out a couple Neapolitan in that time. So come 6:30 or so, will have 2 Detroits and 2 or 3 Neopolitan. Will shape the NY and put that in the oven soon after - let that guy cook for 15-20 minutes. Make the last Neapolitan in the Ooni at same time. And finally if we are still hungry, will shape that last NY and try and muscle our way through it.
Make 3 types of dough a couple days before hand. Neopolitan dough (enough for four 12 inch pies), Detroit style (enough for 1 large and 1 small - I have two sizes of the Lloyd pans), NY style dough (enough for two ~16 inch pies). Cold ferment all of these, anywhere from 1-4 days. Three days seems optimal.
Sometimes 3 types of sauce, more generally just two. A cooked down flavorful for the Detroit. And then mostly just a good can of whole peeled tomatoes - Bianco DiNapoli are my favorite, strained, pulsed with immersion blender with just salt.
Take out Detroit doughs at 11 AM or so let them come to room temp for a few hours. Oil up the pans, put those doughs in their pan around 2:00. Push them to edges little bit a few times over the next couple hours. Take out other doughs at 4:00. Fire up oven to highest temp with pizza steel. Let it heat up for 2 hours. Turn on Ooni at 5:15, let that thing get roaring for 30-45 minutes.
6:00 start the cooking fest. Put both Detroits in on top of pizza steel, let them cook 15-25 minutes. Bust out a couple Neapolitan in that time. So come 6:30 or so, will have 2 Detroits and 2 or 3 Neopolitan. Will shape the NY and put that in the oven soon after - let that guy cook for 15-20 minutes. Make the last Neapolitan in the Ooni at same time. And finally if we are still hungry, will shape that last NY and try and muscle our way through it.
the moops
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
Kamado grill/stone
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I don't think there's a consensus. There are a couple good articles at Serious Eats comparing the different Oonis and giving some pros and cons. Gas is probably easiest to set up and get going, and there's no ash so maybe a bit easier to break down and stow away. Some people want that wood fired taste but I'm not sure there's much difference. Its not like you're smoking a brisket in there. I have the pellet version and it took some time to figure out how to get it hot and keep it hot, but I've got it down pretty well now. I get it out 4-5 times a year but if we're pressed for time I'll just use the oven. If I could do it again I'd probably go with propane but mine was a surprise gift from my wife so I'm sticking with the pellets for now.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I have a wood solo stove I finally tried out it came out ok I could only get it up to like 350-400 but it was like 15 degrees out and I mainly only had small smoking chunks of wood
Will try again in warmer weather and bigger wood
Will try again in warmer weather and bigger wood
Ron Swanson
Footballguy
Not currently. But in my defense when I did I was young and needed the money.
the moops
Footballguy
If I was rebuying I would get the Koda 16, followed by the Koda 12. I have the Karu 12, and while it is incredible, I only use the gas now, and having the dedicated gas oven like the Koda would be better. I would opt for the 16 slightly over the 12 just to be able to make slightly larger pies. The small size of the 12 almost negates that want though
Wrigley
Footballguy
Ewww
Chemical X
Footballguy
nothing to add here right now, but i’ve been finding in italy that common pizza combos are sausage and potato, also würstel (think hot dog) and french fries.
3 local joints have this combo. also, corn as a pizza topping is not taboo here.
3 local joints have this combo. also, corn as a pizza topping is not taboo here.
Tick
Footballguy
Have you considered making spatchcocked chicken in your Gozney? Big money there.
Tick
Footballguy
I'm also wondering about this Breville Pizzaiolo, but it's $800. Seems pretty foolproof and could be used year-round in Michigan.
yeah, wait for the sundresses....that should take care of your need for "bigger wood"
the moops
Footballguy
I use my Ooni year round here in the twin cities. In the super cold months use it in my garage with the propane. Definitely don't get blackout drunk after a night of making many pies for friends and forget to turn the oven off before you go to bed though
But yea, that Breville is pretty sick
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I have a Koda 16 and generally only make 12 inch pies. I’m not the most skilled person in the world at getting the pizza in the oven so I like having extra space to work with.
Tick
Footballguy
Breville Pizzaiolo indoor oven just went on a short sale for $700.
I ordered one, it arrives on SB Sunday.
I ordered one, it arrives on SB Sunday.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Sounds very time consuming
-But I bet the pizzas are delicious
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Wow - that sure is a lot of work! I could probably only handle something like that once a year.
Sullie
Footballguy
Yes. So, my son was in high school during Covid, he found this and he and my wife made pizza dough and it was so good that we've stuck with this for last 5 years or so. Bobby Flay pizza dough. And none of us are fans of Bobby Flay.
Tick
Footballguy
The Breville arrived and I couldn't wait, plus my son's girlfriend is leaving just after the SB starts. She's celiac, so I started with 2 gluten-free crusts for her. They're totally acceptable, my wife was really impressed at the crust. They're weird - I followed some instructions to bake naked for 90s, remove and top, then bake another 90s. Seemed to work perfectly.
Then I moved on to 3 normal crusts: margherita, supreme, and meat. I'm not good at shaping the dough - they were oblong and smaller than expected. However, the dough was incredible. I learned a few things (need to speed up on topping after placing on the peel) and need to watch some videos on dough shaping. The wife loved the pizza, so did I - complete success even if there's room for improvement.
I have 5 more crusts that only sat for 1 day in the fridge. I might make some more right before the game... or I might just stick with queso and make the rest Monday or Tuesday.
Then I moved on to 3 normal crusts: margherita, supreme, and meat. I'm not good at shaping the dough - they were oblong and smaller than expected. However, the dough was incredible. I learned a few things (need to speed up on topping after placing on the peel) and need to watch some videos on dough shaping. The wife loved the pizza, so did I - complete success even if there's room for improvement.
I have 5 more crusts that only sat for 1 day in the fridge. I might make some more right before the game... or I might just stick with queso and make the rest Monday or Tuesday.
Tick
Footballguy
Day 2: I made 4 of the 5 remaining crusts and started 3 more since some family will be in town later this week. I might make another batch tomorrow when I find out how many will be here. I jacked one of today's up - overloaded it with ingredients and that helped weigh it down to stick on the peel... then I tried to push it off the peel and dumped some toppings in the back and scrunched up the crust. I tried to get the ingredients out but ended up with a little mushroom fire in the back. Anyway, all 4 I made turned out great. 3 were pretty round (though one of those was the scrunched one). I ran out of homemade sauce and used some store-bought we had... it was worse, so I'll continue to make sauce, though I need to use an immersion blender next time to get the san marzanos to be less glumpy.
Brony
Footballguy
On pizza doughs, I don't think the ingredients matter that much outside of hydration %, but the timing for each step and technique seems to make a difference. In particular, using a long cold ferment (ie. leave the dough in the fridge for 3 - 4 days) seems to matter and how you handle the dough when you first start to shape it can make or break it. I played around with 00 flour and bread flour etc and didn't notice much of a difference. I'm using plain old AP flour and 62% hydration for my pizzas that cook in the 650-700F range.
Tick
Footballguy
Things are coming along smoothly here with the Breville Pizzaiolo. Some family is in town and we had an 8-pizza night and a 6-pizza night. I still had one stick to the peel on both nights, though the pizza turned out fine in both cases. I'm not sure if the problem is the amount of cornmeal, using cornmeal instead of semolina, the speed from dough-on-peel to launch, the weight of the toppings, the moisture content of the dough... but since the fails haven't been catastrophic, I'm not too worried about it. Wife and I have a pretty good system down of putting the dough on the peel on a kitchen island and both of us throwing ingredients on there as quickly as possible. I'm running about 50% on remembering olive oil, though.
I can't say I have any complaints about the oven to this point. I move it to the range to cook with the hood running - I don't know if that's necessary, but it works well with the flow of the kitchen anyway.
I've had better luck with stretching dough since I stopped touching it so much - I use a scraper to get it out of the container, then press out a ~7" circle, then steering wheel it to 10-12".
I've only tried two weird pizzas so far - one was peach/feta/balsamic/arugula, and it was just kind of pale and boring. I did put a little ginger paste on the crust, might increase that a bit and try again. I also made a nutella/marshmallow, but the marshmallows burned. Still very good, but I think the better approach would be to cook the pizza with nutella only for 1 minute, take it out and add marshmallows, then pop it back in for a minute... or maybe even just cook it completely with only nutella and add the mallows after it's out.
Next thing to try will be breakfast pizza with sauteed garlic butter for sauce.
I can't say I have any complaints about the oven to this point. I move it to the range to cook with the hood running - I don't know if that's necessary, but it works well with the flow of the kitchen anyway.
I've had better luck with stretching dough since I stopped touching it so much - I use a scraper to get it out of the container, then press out a ~7" circle, then steering wheel it to 10-12".
I've only tried two weird pizzas so far - one was peach/feta/balsamic/arugula, and it was just kind of pale and boring. I did put a little ginger paste on the crust, might increase that a bit and try again. I also made a nutella/marshmallow, but the marshmallows burned. Still very good, but I think the better approach would be to cook the pizza with nutella only for 1 minute, take it out and add marshmallows, then pop it back in for a minute... or maybe even just cook it completely with only nutella and add the mallows after it's out.
Next thing to try will be breakfast pizza with sauteed garlic butter for sauce.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Made my first calzone (broccoli, pepper and cheese) in my Ooni yesterday and good lord I will never pay for a calzone again!
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Also I use King Arthur bread flour and get a beautiful 12 “ crust every time. I still have not figured out how to work with 00 flour.
Tick
Footballguy
Pretty much a folded-over pizza with no sauce?
I made a couple of pizzas tonight - I'm up to 82 pizzas + 2 gluten-free pizzas since I got my oven on the day of the Super Bowl.
I did some math, and I come up with $2.60 per pizza with just sauce, cheese (pearls plus shredded), and garlic. From what I can tell, each pizza is about 1000 calories, with toppings not making that much of a difference.
Most surprisingly satisfying topping so far is kalamata olives - they just pop and fit the rest of the pizzas well.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yup exactly and I put homemade sauce on top after cutting it. Basically just a stuffed pizza with sauce on the top.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Has the "pinsa" trend hit home pizzaiolos yet? If not, look it up.
the moops
Footballguy
That type of pizza is best left to dive bars and drunk patrons
New Binky the Doormat
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
But for real, if I am going to the effort to make a pizza at home I am not making garbage tavern style
New Binky the Doormat
Footballguy
But for real, if I am going to the effort to make a pizza at home I am not making garbage tavern style
what about tavern style, thin crust pizza is bad?
the moops
Footballguy
It's not "bad", it's just not as good as neopolitan, new haven, detroit, new york, etcBut for real, if I am going to the effort to make a pizza at home I am not making garbage tavern style
what about tavern style, thin crust pizza is bad?
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
It sounds great but I looked at a recipe a while back and it was too much for me to deal with. I think it called for 4 different kinds of flour, none of which I normally have on hand.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I really like the crisp + fluffy combo. If you see it on a menu some place, give it a try.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Need to get in to this. Hooked up with an old colleague last night who recently had a heart attack so we ordered a cauliflower crust, pepperoni, and sausage from the local Woodstock's. Maybe it was the low expectation but I really liked it, a thin crust with a crispy-chewy consistency. $91 for two 14 inch pies though...
SWC
Bromigo
i found that my pizzas were not getting as crispy as i wanted to so i emptied my retirment account and bought a 28 thousand dollar moretti ferni p150g a2 double deck gas pizza oven and had a gas line run in and now my seven dollar jacks pizzas taste quite delicious and i can never stop working take that to the bank brohans
