Apple Jack
Footballguy
I want one of these badly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2FrFBceLuY
And how freaking awesome is that guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2FrFBceLuY
And how freaking awesome is that guy?
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***OFFICIAL*** Guitar Guys Thread -- all axes, all the time (2 Viewers)
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
Very cool, bb. That looks like fun. And I chuckled at the intro. Well-played.
Rattle and Hum
Footballguy
Awesome video, BB! Great sounding stuff!
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skol asylum
Footballguy
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Timely bump. I'm looking at guitar center tonight. Thinking about a Squier Affinity Stratocaster w/ Fender 11g amp for $199. Is that reasonable for a guy just trying to learn how to play?
Like this: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Squier/Affinity-Stratocaster-Electric-Guitar-Pack-w-10G-Amplifier.gc
Like this: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Squier/Affinity-Stratocaster-Electric-Guitar-Pack-w-10G-Amplifier.gc
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Seems like a reasonable price. If you're on a budget, I bet you can find the same thing on craigslist cheaper.
satch
Footballguy
I'd go for a used Mexican Strat and a used Fender Gdec amp. Good guitar, and the great amp for learning.Edited to add that while I do recommend the Gdec as a great learning amp, don't expect to be blown away by authentic tones. It is what it is. An ok sounding amp loaded with excellent learning tools like built in backing tracks with adjustable keys and tempos, built in tuner, buit in effects, the ability to load custom backung tracks into the amp, portability, etc.jdoggydogg said:
The downside to the Gdec is questionable reliability, but at a cheap used price not a huge concern.
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bigbottom
Footballguy
Seconded on the guitar. I'd strongly recommend a used Mexican Strat to a new Squier/Affinity as a starter guitar. Should be able to find a used Mexican Strat on CL from $200-250.
bigbottom
Footballguy
bigbottom
Footballguy
If you have a chance and remember, can you see if they are debuting anything new at the Orange Amps booth?
OC Zed
Footballguy
Yes, I was right in front of their booth today, but didn't pay any attention - sorry. I'll try to remember tomorrow.
Speaking of amps... The one thing that I've been blown away in the last few years is how many boutique amp makers there are now. I remember growing up that there were only a handful of really great amp companies to choose from. Now, it's just an overwhelming selection. Good problems to have, I guess.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Starting to Amp shop and letting my kid do some of the legwork.
Currently, he has narrowed his search down to
Marshall DSL40c
Fender Bassbreaker 15 - 15W 1X12
Also told him to look into Orange's in that price range too.
I'd say $750 - $800 is the top end I'm willing to pay. Looking for versatility, which both of these seem to provide.
Anyone have any other suggestions? I know Craigslist is always an option, but hate spending that kind of dime on something used.
Currently, he has narrowed his search down to
Marshall DSL40c
Fender Bassbreaker 15 - 15W 1X12
Also told him to look into Orange's in that price range too.
I'd say $750 - $800 is the top end I'm willing to pay. Looking for versatility, which both of these seem to provide.
Anyone have any other suggestions? I know Craigslist is always an option, but hate spending that kind of dime on something used.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
He's a bass player at heart, but has switched his focus to guitar.
Playing a Mexitele right now through an old 1970's Peavey 50 2x12 tube. That's seen it's better days, which is why we're looking at getting a new amp. Upgrading the guitar is next. Thinking a Les Paul Standard, but that's a bit down the road.
He's a big Tool and Primus fan. Likes the Seattle grunge sound with AIC, Nirvana, Soundgarden. Also gravitates towards Blink and Pumpkins. I just caught him playing some Husker Du / Bob Mould / Sugar stuff yesterday, but then again in the same breath, he was all of a sudden playing the lead to Michael Jackson's Beat It.
I also play too, but my tastes are all over the place. Like most of what he likes, but trying to work more blues into my arsenal. That's why I'm looking for some versatility.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Well he does need an amp with range. I LOVE Orange, but I think it might be a bit limited (it's sweet spot is in the range of overdriven to metal, but may not get you really good clean sounds he needs). In addition to the two you're considering, I would have him go to GC and try out some Blackstars in that price range. Definitely handles the British stack sounds that would pair well with the Les Paul (much like a Marshall in this regard), but it also has a good deal of versatility in my experience.
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JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Bought a nice Taylor acoustic this time last year. Really tempted to pull the trigger on a nice electric.
satch
Footballguy
Your son clearly needs a myriad of tones at his disposal! Unfortunately, no one single amp will excel at all those tones. As we know, some excel at gorgeous cleans, others at thunderous distortion, and some do a little of both but neither all that well.How loud is this amp going to be played? Mostly home/bedroom use? Band/stage setting? This is an important thing to consider. Amps known for their distortion usually need to be played quite loud to get that great tone. At lower volumes the distortion may be disappointing, which leads to the purchase of a distortion pedal, which sorta defeats the purpose of buying an amp for it's inherent distortion. The clean tones in those type of amps are usually lacking in depth and character, so you're left with an amp having poor cleans and known for great distortion that you never hear.bigbottom said:
That being the case, I'd recommend a low powered amp that has beautiful clean tones, and get a great distortion pedal for the crunchy stuff. In my experience, you can get a good distortion from a great clean amp using good pedals while impossible to get a good clean tone from an amp that isn't capable of organic, natural cleans. Pedals can't do that.
My suggestion would be a Fender '68 Custom Princeton Reverb, with a tube screamer for blues/overdrive, and a heavier distortion pedal on top of that for hard rock/metal.
This gives you endless tonal possibilities that will all sound great at practical volumes, but most importantly you have the beautiful cleans as a starting platform to build from. An added bonus is that it looks killer. If/when more volume is needed in a large club band setting, just mic the amp.
http://www.fender.com/guitar-amplifiers/vintage-pro-tube/68-custom-princeton-reverb/2272000000.html
If great cleans aren't important to you, and distortion without pedals is the priority, then I'd recommend a very low powered (5/10/15 watt) Blackstar tube amp. The lower wattage will allow for good distortion at practical volumes, and they can obviously be miced if/when needed.
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MarvinTScamper
Footballguy
Tap. Just marking for later
MarvinTScamper
Footballguy
Noob. I remember eons ago talking with big bottom about translating guitar hero skills to real guitar. Finally got involved. After some research and deliberation (and multiple returned guitars) settled on this Epiphone. Figured if I stay in love with playing, (so far so good after 4 1/2 months, I can always get another.
This is the best thing I've done in a long time. Given how often I sing, it was a matter of playing something along wthose lines th it, and this is great. Barely scratched the surface I know, but playing along singing a Chris Stapleton song like "Tennessee Whiskey" and playing the song? Game changer for me.
Look forward to learning tons more, getting better with finger work, and learning more theory so I can hopefully put some music the these songs I've written.
Scupper
This is the best thing I've done in a long time. Given how often I sing, it was a matter of playing something along wthose lines th it, and this is great. Barely scratched the surface I know, but playing along singing a Chris Stapleton song like "Tennessee Whiskey" and playing the song? Game changer for me.
Look forward to learning tons more, getting better with finger work, and learning more theory so I can hopefully put some music the these songs I've written.
Scupper
Otis
Footballguy
John Bender
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Had some high school era friends over yesterday for a jam night. Bass and drummer have been in bands their whole lives. When they played together in HS and college I was always there, but on the sidelines, being the roadie, because I never learned how to play until my late 30s. And while the amount of satisfaction I get from playing with these guys is huge, it always comes with the sting of regret knowing that I always had it in me, but laziness and lack of ambition made me miss out on those earlier years.
MarvinTScamper
Footballguy
Who else uses ultimate-guitar.com? They have an awesome mobile app that I use.
Otis
Footballguy
Getting the itch again to go pick up a beautiful acoustic after selling all mine off (except for one cheaper one) a few years ago.
My favorite ever was my Froggy Bottom parlor. I owned a LOT of nice acoustics, and that blew them all out of the water. I some how got it at a steal back then, for something like $4500 because it had a minor issue with the bridge that you'd never know unless you looked hard. Far as I can tell they're all like 6 grand and up more typically.
Really tempted to seek one out and go for it. A really special one.
Drooling over something like this....
http://www.themusiczoo.com/product/22946/Used-2014-Froggy-Bottom-P12-Deluxe-Brazilian-Rosewood-Parlor-Guitar-Natural/
It probably feels and and sounds like heaven.
My favorite ever was my Froggy Bottom parlor. I owned a LOT of nice acoustics, and that blew them all out of the water. I some how got it at a steal back then, for something like $4500 because it had a minor issue with the bridge that you'd never know unless you looked hard. Far as I can tell they're all like 6 grand and up more typically.
Really tempted to seek one out and go for it. A really special one.
Drooling over something like this....
http://www.themusiczoo.com/product/22946/Used-2014-Froggy-Bottom-P12-Deluxe-Brazilian-Rosewood-Parlor-Guitar-Natural/
It probably feels and and sounds like heaven.
Otis
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
One more...
http://theguitarshoppe.bigcartel.com/product/froggy-bottom
If every any of you guys has a chance to play a Froggy Bottom P-14, please, please, take the opportunity. It's the best instrument I've ever played. And the one I had was the "basic" version, with just the mahogany back and sides and no bells and whistles. I can only imagine what these rosewood, especially the brazillian rosewood (called that because it costs a brzillian dollars) sounds like. Sigh.
http://theguitarshoppe.bigcartel.com/product/froggy-bottom
If every any of you guys has a chance to play a Froggy Bottom P-14, please, please, take the opportunity. It's the best instrument I've ever played. And the one I had was the "basic" version, with just the mahogany back and sides and no bells and whistles. I can only imagine what these rosewood, especially the brazillian rosewood (called that because it costs a brzillian dollars) sounds like. Sigh.
bigbottom
Footballguy
I honestly don't understand how you can sell a guitar you love. I've only sold one guitar my whole life (an Ovation 12-string that I didn't care for much), and I gave away a Fender acoustic (it was okay) to charity. That's it. I still have my first electric guitar - an '84 Fender Strat that I played for bands in high school and college. A 32-year old guitar that I'll own until the day I die, I imagine.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
The passion for it has come and gone for me. One of my favorite electric rigs was a PRS I had with a Mesa Boogie tube combo. It was awesome. But I owned it in college, stopped playing and moved on. It was years before I started playing again.
I started playing voraciously for a few years and at that time purchased a bunch of acoustics. The Froggy was the best of all. Then I had a second kid, moved, got busy with work, and had zero time to play. Just fell out of it. And when that happens, I've always had a sense of guilt in leaving a guitar sitting there, unplayed, especially an expensive guitar that I knew with time would only get ruined because I wouldn't maintain it, and it would dry out, etc. So I end up selling it all off, "simplifying" my life, and moving on.
In most instances it was the right call. As to this one particular guitar, perhaps of all the many I've bought and sold over the years... these are special.
But wouldn't you know it, I'm older, wiser, have the resources, and could pull it off if I want one now. And maybe even get an "upgraded" version.
Hell, maybe I'll go balls out and order one brand new from the factory. There's a waiting list but that would be pretty sweet.
Anyway, if I were playing consistently over time, I would get what you're saying. But for me, it has ebbed and flowed. And when I put them down for years, and I know they are worth thousands of bucks and aren't being played at all, I can't help but feel like selling them off is the right thing to do.
But it may be time...
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Is it possible to find a used good condition 50w Marshall JCM 800 head and 4x4 cab for $1000-1500?
bigbottom
Footballguy
Those early years are definitely fun, but they can also be a real drag if you're trying to "make it." Playing for peanuts and working tirelessly to get people to come out to your shows, which more often than not end up failing to meet attendance expectations. Doing it later in life when it's just for fun and there's no pressure, and all your friends come out because, hey, they know someone in a band (a novelty that does not exist in your 20s), is even better, IMO. It's never too late. Strap up and get out there!
bigbottom
Footballguy
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Same here - I've had a Japanese Strat I bought at a pawn shop since high school that remains my easiest guitar to play. I'll never get rid of it. Interestingly, I took it in to a local shop recently to see how much a refret would cost and it was more than I originally spent on the guitar.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
MarvinTScamper
Footballguy
I really like it. Can't believe the volume of songs available. I found the "right" mobile app, paid the $9.99 to unlock everything, and use it on my iPad to automatically scroll the song with the *usually correct lyrics.
I also picked up a Taylor GS Mini off Craigslist for hauling to/from lake cabin so I can leave the Epi at home. WOW! does it create nice sound for a little guitar. Thinking about recording some stuff to see how ####ty I sound.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Am I wrong, or do they not make the pure 50w heads anymore?
I seemed to find 15 and 100, each having a respective toggle switch to cut wattage in half.
chet
Footballguy
bigbottom
Footballguy
bigbottom
Footballguy
MarvinTScamper
Footballguy
MarvinTScamper
Footballguy
I am amazed at the sound. Better than my Epiphone it seems. Smaller neck makes some chords tougher though.
P.S. I recorded myself. Oof, I forgot how much I hate my own voice..
MarvinTScamper
Footballguy
Update. So 8 mos in to lessons. He's still keeping me away from bar chords. Interesting.
Did a nice impromptu session with a buddy who's a better player than I, but was able to keep up. Love the app, love playing.
Did a nice impromptu session with a buddy who's a better player than I, but was able to keep up. Love the app, love playing.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Mrs. Dogg is daring me to join the Night Big Band at the college as lead guitarist. I am very intimidated at that prospect. My high school Jazz conductor was a hero of mine, and he used to play in the night band. I am going to need to practice all summer if I don't want to make a fool of myself.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Just some interesting testimony as it relates to learning and age. I'm 39 and my son is 8. He participated in a week long rock camp last year and really showed some interest in the guitar. We bought him an Ibanez Mikro for his birthday, but his interest in playing after the camp quickly waned. That's when I found out about Rocksmith for the Xbox. Now that learning the guitar is in video game form, he's much more apt to practice. I became hooked on the premise myself, and even went as far as to buy myself a cheap LTD so we each had our own guitars.
Now that we're both playing, I've quickly realized just how beneficial it is to start when you're young. The little guy has such an easier time identifying the patterns and automating the finger action. While I'm certainly seeing progress myself, I can tell that he is learning at a much faster rate. I hope he keeps this up, because not only can he be really good, but even if he's mediocre, he'll have a great hobby to experience throughout the rest of his life.
Now that we're both playing, I've quickly realized just how beneficial it is to start when you're young. The little guy has such an easier time identifying the patterns and automating the finger action. While I'm certainly seeing progress myself, I can tell that he is learning at a much faster rate. I hope he keeps this up, because not only can he be really good, but even if he's mediocre, he'll have a great hobby to experience throughout the rest of his life.
