***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (2 Viewers)

[badmojo1006]

How do you implement a 10 round clip when a lot of guns are 17 rounds or so with their standard clips?

Well they either change their standard clips or stop making it!

Is this the best you got?

 

[Run It Up]

I'm hoping they spend 5 minutes and actually consult someone that knows a thing about firearms.The NY legislation that passed explicitly separates magazines from clips and limits high capacity magazines with no mention of clips. Since this morning the production of high capacity clips has spiked, in Obamas speech he used "magazine" but didn't qualify that with any other statement so I'm hoping the Fed won't make the same mistake.If you are gonna try and limit the loss of life make sure your loopholes aren't so easily exploited.

 

[Jewell]

With a cursory glance, I do not have any problems with the list of EOs, and I applaud many of them.I hope this one- "Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime." means going after non-licensed 'dealers' (those clearly in the business of buying & selling guns for a profit), straw purchasers and people that lie on Form 4473.

I agree that the summaries of the executive orders that I read sound reasonable. Do you agree with achieving those goals via executive orders, though, or do you think that this matter, especially since many argue it impinges on the Second Amendment, would be better debated and passed through Congress?

 

[pantherclub]

That's a whole lotta nuthin'.

Exactly, the Rush Limbaughs and Cookiemonsters of teh world all overreacted......again.

- Obama isn’t sending “specific legislative language” to Congress, the officials said, instead following his usual blueprint of laying out principles and then letting lawmakers craft a bill.- In keeping with the president’s promises, his proposals would limit the manufacture of new assault weapons and ammunition clips with more than 10 bullets – but would not affect those already on the market.Is that what you were hoping for?

Personally I was hoping for nothing. Absolutely nothing to be done. Tragedies such as Sandy Hook are so rare that its not worth any knee jerk reactions to. Stuff happens, the school had systems in place and the dude still found a way. I just laugh at the extreme right, as shown in this thread, that always goes to an extreme mode in regards to this President.

 

[snogger]

love this part:

he urged Congress to bankroll the CDC to do research into possible linkages between violent video games and other media images and real-life violence, to the tune of $10 million.

I can see it now.. after spending that money we will get...

If parents ignore the label on a game, and let those younger than that to play the game without parental supervision, there is a 15% chance they may become insensitive to violence. Of those 15%, there is a chance that 10% of those may become violent.We recommend that parents watch what game their children play..

Money well spent.

 

[Run It Up]

That's a whole lotta nuthin'.

Exactly, the Rush Limbaughs and Cookiemonsters of teh world all overreacted......again.

- Obama isn’t sending “specific legislative language” to Congress, the officials said, instead following his usual blueprint of laying out principles and then letting lawmakers craft a bill.- In keeping with the president’s promises, his proposals would limit the manufacture of new assault weapons and ammunition clips with more than 10 bullets – but would not affect those already on the market.Is that what you were hoping for?

Personally I was hoping for nothing. Absolutely nothing to be done. Tragedies such as Sandy Hook are so rare that its not worth any knee jerk reactions to. Stuff happens, the school had systems in place and the dude still found a way. I just laugh at the extreme right, as shown in this thread, that always goes to an extreme mode in regards to this President.

So rare in fact its only Wedsnday and there have been two school shootings this week...

 

[pantherclub]

That's a whole lotta nuthin'.

Exactly, the Rush Limbaughs and Cookiemonsters of teh world all overreacted......again.

- Obama isn’t sending “specific legislative language” to Congress, the officials said, instead following his usual blueprint of laying out principles and then letting lawmakers craft a bill.- In keeping with the president’s promises, his proposals would limit the manufacture of new assault weapons and ammunition clips with more than 10 bullets – but would not affect those already on the market.Is that what you were hoping for?

Personally I was hoping for nothing. Absolutely nothing to be done. Tragedies such as Sandy Hook are so rare that its not worth any knee jerk reactions to. Stuff happens, the school had systems in place and the dude still found a way. I just laugh at the extreme right, as shown in this thread, that always goes to an extreme mode in regards to this President.

So rare in fact its only Wedsnday and there have been two school shootings this week...

Yes both of those were exactly like Sandy Hook. Exactly.

 

[Run It Up]

That's a whole lotta nuthin'.

Exactly, the Rush Limbaughs and Cookiemonsters of teh world all overreacted......again.

- Obama isn’t sending “specific legislative language” to Congress, the officials said, instead following his usual blueprint of laying out principles and then letting lawmakers craft a bill.- In keeping with the president’s promises, his proposals would limit the manufacture of new assault weapons and ammunition clips with more than 10 bullets – but would not affect those already on the market.Is that what you were hoping for?

Personally I was hoping for nothing. Absolutely nothing to be done. Tragedies such as Sandy Hook are so rare that its not worth any knee jerk reactions to. Stuff happens, the school had systems in place and the dude still found a way. I just laugh at the extreme right, as shown in this thread, that always goes to an extreme mode in regards to this President.

So rare in fact its only Wedsnday and there have been two school shootings this week...

Yes both of those were exactly like Sandy Hook. Exactly.

A person with a gun shot someone. Exactly.

 

[jonessed]

Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.Nominate an ATF director.Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

Pfft forget all that we want bans on clips of more than 10 bullets ! That will make our children safe!

How is the right going to argue against what he is proposing? Seems sensible to me.I am lollering at all the nuts that were screaming that Obama is going to take away the guns.

They don't have to argue against it. Most all of this has to start with legislation in the House. They will likely just choose to ignore it.Things like magazine size and the assault gun ban he can't do via executive order because Congress made the law and then let it expire. He doesn't have the power to recreate law, only intrepret existing law. Reid also limited his ability to develop national databases when he slipped in the Healthcare law provisions explicitly making it illegal.He can try all this for political points I suppose, but it will get tied up in the courts and then after four years it will be gone anyway. Meaningful firearm legislation is going to have to go through Congress. I think there is actually some concensus on making changes, but when Obama threatened the executive order BS he made it much harder to do that.

 

[pantherclub]

One was a Handgun and one was a shot gun. Keep trying.

 

[tommyboy]

I don't recall the leftists of this board or this country getting so bent out of shape when our President and Attorney General signed off on selling assault weapons to the drug cartels of Mexico so they could use them to kill brown people and US Border Patrol agents.But now, its for the children. Lol, if the hypocrisy wasn't so deep, it would be laughable, but its really sad and disgusting and transparently disengenious.

 

[Apple Jack]

I don't recall the leftists of this board or this country getting so bent out of shape when our President and Attorney General signed off on selling assault weapons to the drug cartels of Mexico so they could use them to kill brown people and US Border Patrol agents.But now, its for the children. Lol, if the hypocrisy wasn't so deep, it would be laughable, but its really sad and disgusting and transparently disengenious.

I'm not sure any of us encouraged any of that.

 

[Dvorak]

With a cursory glance, I do not have any problems with the list of EOs, and I applaud many of them.I hope this one- "Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime." means going after non-licensed 'dealers' (those clearly in the business of buying & selling guns for a profit), straw purchasers and people that lie on Form 4473.

I agree that the summaries of the executive orders that I read sound reasonable. Do you agree with achieving those goals via executive orders, though, or do you think that this matter, especially since many argue it impinges on the Second Amendment, would be better debated and passed through Congress?

Most of these read like your typical executive orders. "Hey ATF, start enforcing the damn laws we already have!" (AKA, let's stop giving guns to bad guys just to see what they do with them...)"How about you guys with a list of 'bad guys that shouldn't own guns' share that list with the people who are checking to see who should be able to buy them?""You guys over there sitting on your ###, let's draw up some plans for handling nutjobs and get that plan out there for our first responders."

 

[tom22406]

So I will assume that the Feinstein proposal will be the AWB they want passed and if they lump that all toghter under one bill(including the AWB)it has no shot.I want the background checks to pass and I also agree with the mental health side and school safety but if they really want to change they will do this piece by piece.

 

[Run It Up]

One was a Handgun and one was a shot gun. Keep trying.

And?

 

[Thunderlips]

Nice political move that will be a useful chip in the midterms.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I don't recall the leftists of this board or this country getting so bent out of shape when our President and Attorney General signed off on selling assault weapons to the drug cartels of Mexico so they could use them to kill brown people and US Border Patrol agents.But now, its for the children. Lol, if the hypocrisy wasn't so deep, it would be laughable, but its really sad and disgusting and transparently disengenious.

I don't know if I can say that this is the worst argument I've ever seen in the FFA. Probably top ten at least. Definitely the worst argument in this thread. Kudos, tommyboy. It takes a certain kind of genius to come up with a false equivalence as preposterous as this one.

 

[Novice2]

Be sure to watch the brittish guy on CNN tonight when he asks does the Presidents proposal go far enough?

 

[Apple Jack]

I don't recall the leftists of this board or this country getting so bent out of shape when our President and Attorney General signed off on selling assault weapons to the drug cartels of Mexico so they could use them to kill brown people and US Border Patrol agents.But now, its for the children. Lol, if the hypocrisy wasn't so deep, it would be laughable, but its really sad and disgusting and transparently disengenious.

I don't know if I can say that this is the worst argument I've ever seen in the FFA. Probably top ten at least. Definitely the worst argument in this thread. Kudos, tommyboy. It takes a certain kind of genius to come up with a false equivalence as preposterous as this one.

The "Lol" compliments the rest of the post like a good grenache with guinea fowl.

 

[Blick]

Be sure to watch the brittish guy on CNN tonight when he asks does the Presidents proposal go far enough?

I'm really starting to despise that guy.

 

[badmojo1006]

I don't recall the leftists of this board or this country getting so bent out of shape when our President and Attorney General signed off on selling assault weapons to the drug cartels of Mexico so they could use them to kill brown people and US Border Patrol agents.But now, its for the children. Lol, if the hypocrisy wasn't so deep, it would be laughable, but its really sad and disgusting and transparently disengenious.

tommyboy, take a step back and read what you just wrote. Really look at it. Surprised you didn't throw in an Abortion argument.

 

[badmojo1006]

Be sure to watch the brittish guy on CNN tonight when he asks does the Presidents proposal go far enough?

I'm really starting to despise that guy.

Who, the President or Piers Morgan?

 

[Blick]

Be sure to watch the brittish guy on CNN tonight when he asks does the Presidents proposal go far enough?

I'm really starting to despise that guy.

Who, the President or Piers Morgan?

Sorry, Piers Morgan. Agree with our President or not, I would never despise him.

 

[badmojo1006]

Be sure to watch the brittish guy on CNN tonight when he asks does the Presidents proposal go far enough?

I'm really starting to despise that guy.

Who, the President or Piers Morgan?

Sorry, Piers Morgan. Agree with our President or not, I would never despise him.

K. I somewhat agree with Morgan's stance on Guns, but he is still a major ### hole

 

[pantherclub]

I don't recall the leftists of this board or this country getting so bent out of shape when our President and Attorney General signed off on selling assault weapons to the drug cartels of Mexico so they could use them to kill brown people and US Border Patrol agents.But now, its for the children. Lol, if the hypocrisy wasn't so deep, it would be laughable, but its really sad and disgusting and transparently disengenious.

tommyboy, take a step back and read what you just wrote. Really look at it. Surprised you didn't throw in an Abortion argument.

I would bet good money either Rush or Hannity said that exact thing within an hour of his post.

 

[tommyboy]

I don't recall the leftists of this board or this country getting so bent out of shape when our President and Attorney General signed off on selling assault weapons to the drug cartels of Mexico so they could use them to kill brown people and US Border Patrol agents.But now, its for the children. Lol, if the hypocrisy wasn't so deep, it would be laughable, but its really sad and disgusting and transparently disengenious.

tommyboy, take a step back and read what you just wrote. Really look at it. Surprised you didn't throw in an Abortion argument.

good point. The same crew that is all up in arms about saving one child's life with gun control has no problem aborting a million kids a yearits all for the children

 

[pantherclub]

I don't recall the leftists of this board or this country getting so bent out of shape when our President and Attorney General signed off on selling assault weapons to the drug cartels of Mexico so they could use them to kill brown people and US Border Patrol agents.But now, its for the children. Lol, if the hypocrisy wasn't so deep, it would be laughable, but its really sad and disgusting and transparently disengenious.

tommyboy, take a step back and read what you just wrote. Really look at it. Surprised you didn't throw in an Abortion argument.

good point. The same crew that is all up in arms about saving one child's life with gun control has no problem aborting a million kids a yearits all for the children

woah, you went there

 

[tommyboy]

I don't recall the leftists of this board or this country getting so bent out of shape when our President and Attorney General signed off on selling assault weapons to the drug cartels of Mexico so they could use them to kill brown people and US Border Patrol agents.But now, its for the children. Lol, if the hypocrisy wasn't so deep, it would be laughable, but its really sad and disgusting and transparently disengenious.

tommyboy, take a step back and read what you just wrote. Really look at it. Surprised you didn't throw in an Abortion argument.

I would bet good money either Rush or Hannity said that exact thing within an hour of his post.

don't listen or watch either of them.but it is funny to watch you guys bathe and lather in your hypocrisy. Its all for the children

 

[snogger]

Nice system we have..

A Carver County deputy says a convicted murderer now held for possessing more than a dozen firearms could have passed a background check to buy them.

Christian Oberender was convicted of murdering his mother, Mary Oberender in 1995 when he was 14-years-old. Oberender, now 32, shot her several times with a shotgun.

Eighteen years later he faces felony charges for possessing those 13 guns illegally, but Carver County Deputy Jason Kamerud says the convicted murder may have been able to purchase them himself. When Kamerud ran a criminal history check on Oberender on the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) database no flag came up telling him Oberender was prohibited from owning a firearm.

"When we ran his criminal history it wasn't indicated that he should not be able to have firearms," Kamerud said.

The deputy said he doesn't know why the database didn't flag the fact that Oberender is banned from possessing firearms.

Christian Oberender is being held in the Carver County jail on $1 million

 

[tommyboy]

you know, we need to keep you safer, and protect your childrenthat is why I as dictator of the USA am instituting Gun Free Zones to encompass all of the major metro areas of this fine country. The mouthbreathers from the sticks can keep their guns, they don't vote, let them cling to their god and guns.Now you will be safe, and the gov't will take care of you from abortion or birth (your option, all paid for), to free daycare and food, to free college, and ultimately what we all aspire to either a highly compensated cushy gov't paperpusher job or long term unemployment aka early retirement. As long as we keep raising taxes on those evil rich people and keep financing our 16 Trillion debt, not to mention our 100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities, we can make this utopia last FOREVER! God Bless You, and God Bless the United States of America

 

[Hoosier16]

New NRA ad:"Are the president's kids more important than yours? Then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school?" the NRA ad's narration reads. "Mr. Obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes, but he's just another elitist hypocrite when it comes to a fair share of security."Just disgusting. They need to be kicked in the ding ding.

Why is it disgusting? Is it because it mentions the president? If we insert "David Gregory's kids" for "the president's kids", is it still disgusting?

It's indicative of how gullible and dense they think their constituents are. The President's kids are at the best school in the city, first and foremost. It is also equipped for handling the demands of Presidents', VPs', and other children who are potentially desirable kidnap/ransom targets, due to having educated Chelsea Clinton, two Nixon kids, Albert Gore, Jr, Teddy Roosevelt's son (you get the idea), not to mention a zillion other kids of Washington heavyweights. As well as the heavyweights themselves (Hillary and Gore went there). Do you not understand why some kids are more likely to be kidnapped or harmed than others? And it doesn't even matter...the President's children have Secret Service with them at all times, so the security at the school is pretty much redundant. The NRA people think you're a fool while being ecstatic to be able help you stay that way.

I missed this before. Forget about the Secret Service for now, because as you pointed out, the security was there prior to Obama's children. You, and clearly the wealthy who enroll their children there, clearly think that armed security is a deterrent to criminals. The fact that someone like Gregory suggests his kids are more important than mine is hypocritical. I don't see a problem with someone pointing that out that hypocrisy. I don't think there is any child more important than my own, so telling me they're more important doesn't work (and it shouldn't). Maybe you don't have children or just don't think the same. The issue isn't whether you believe there should be armed personnel in schools, but whether someone else should be hypocritically telling us we don't need it.As I asked before, is it still disgusting they instead used something like "wealthy kids"?

Are you just playing dumb here?I have no idea what David Gregory said, and I don't care. Obama's kids, and many others, aren't more important than yours, but they most certainly have a higher likelihood that somebody might want to do kidnap them or do them harm due to their father's job. Again...not more important, just more vulnerable. There is no hypocrisy on Obama's part on this issue and trying to drum it up doesn't do you any favors. What's "disgusting" is how the NRA ignores the painfully obvious logic of having armed security with the President's family to prey on neanderthals who salivate every chance they get to view Obama as "elitist." "Wealthy kids" is just more of that.Besides, you can say there is no more important child than your own, but other's can't feel that way about their children?

Of course they can. It's the "Do as I say, not as I do" attitude that's objectionable.

 

[TobiasFunke]

you know, we need to keep you safer, and protect your childrenthat is why I as dictator of the USA am instituting Gun Free Zones to encompass all of the major metro areas of this fine country. The mouthbreathers from the sticks can keep their guns, they don't vote, let them cling to their god and guns.Now you will be safe, and the gov't will take care of you from abortion or birth (your option, all paid for), to free daycare and food, to free college, and ultimately what we all aspire to either a highly compensated cushy gov't paperpusher job or long term unemployment aka early retirement. As long as we keep raising taxes on those evil rich people and keep financing our 16 Trillion debt, not to mention our 100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities, we can make this utopia last FOREVER! God Bless You, and God Bless the United States of America

9/10. We're closing in on performance art here. Just wonderful work. A couple notes you can take or leave:1. Make it one long paragraph. Hitting the enter key makes it too obvious that you're actually thinking about what you say, which takes away from the whole angry paranoid lunatic vibe you're working so hard to cultivate.2. There's no foreign policy nonsense mixed in there. Maybe something about Obama being tough on God-fearing gun-toting law-abiding citizens but soft on all the Muslims who want to kill us? Or perhaps some "mushroom cloud" type imagery.3. You can't do this without talking about the threat posed by the "gay agenda." It just doesn't feel right. There's a storm gathering, and don't forget it.

 

[Slingblade]

SAPD: Car thief killed, another wounded at Stone Oak home

SAN ANTONIO -- A man is dead and another is recovering in the hospital after police say they were shot while trying to steal an SUV from outside a home in an affluent neighborhood.

San Antonio police said the shooter, who was visiting family at a home in the 600 block of Lightstone Drive in Stone Oak, heard the men breaking into his Toyota 4Runner around 1:30 a.m. Tuesday.

Click here for photos

The 25-year-old man stepped outside with a gun, confronted the men who were rifling through his vehicle and opened fire, according to a police report.

He later told police that he thought one of the men also had a gun.

Neighbors reported hearing five to eight gunshots, although the number of gunshots was taken out of the police report.

Officers said the shooter is not expected to face any charges since he was protecting his property.

One of the suspects, who was standing by the getaway car, drove off after getting shot but crashed into a parked car about a block away. He then rolled out into the lawn.

A homeowner near the crash said he went outside and tried to get the wounded man's name, but all the man could say was "I feel like I'm dying."

Officers and emergency responders tried to revive the 32-year-old man but could not.

The other man was taken to San Antonio Military Medical Center.

Later Tuesday morning, a neighbor condoned the actions that were taken to stop the suspected thieves.

“I fully agree with it. I spent 30 years in military; I'm familiar with firearms,” said David Oliver. “I think they have a right to intervene.”

I hope he is happy ending a life over his precious SUV! In any sane state he would be charged with murder for chasing down and gunning down people!

One less criminal.

 

[[icon]]

Highlights of Obama's recommendations. Sounds reasonable to me, but I am sure there are those in this thread that will think it is the end of the world

I have no issue with his executive orders as they stand (education, planning, and tightening the clamp on background/mental health checks). As a proponent of armed officers/civilians on school campuses, I appreciate his offering of federal resources to schools who provide officers on site. To me this is the most effective means to strengthen the first line of defense against school shootings. IMO there should be more than one person armed on site but that's a start. Hopefully the president now realizes that going after ARs and other guns outright is asinine.... however it looks like he's gearing up for a run on them shortly.

 

[Sand]

That's a whole lotta nuthin'.

No, it isn't nothing. He just dealt a harsh blow to mental health in America. Now that psychiatrists have been turned into snitches who is going to go to one? Never in my life will I ever visit a mental health practitioner. The risk of obtaining a label that can never be washed off is now omnipresent.

But now, its for the children. Lol, if the hypocrisy wasn't so deep, it would be laughable, but its really sad and disgusting and transparently disengenious.

Of course it isn't. It's all about power and control. If he really cared about gun violence he'd be addressing the country from Chicago addressing handguns surrounded by 20-25 year old black males.

 

[Slingblade]

No, I didn't miss this part. But it seems rather convenient for him to say that, and it doesn't really seem like he needed to confront the thieves in the first place, and honestly the story makes it sound like this guy was relishing the opportunity to kill people. If he's so worried about the SUV, why would he want to ruin it with a bunch of bullet holes and blood?

Spin it however you want it. Some people are just destined to be victims. Others call the police and complain about the way that they handle it. Its a no win situation. As long as the guy was within his right (legally speaking) to confront the thieves with a weapon and the theives had a gun, why is this such a problem? I doubt many people "relish" in the idea to kill someone they don't even know.

From my perspective, it seems like a lot of gun folks do exactly that. It seems like a lot of folks enjoy fantasizing about the prospect of shooting somebody that breaks into their house. There seems to be little to no consideration to the possibility of simply fleeing the house and calling the police.

You are a coward. Actually...That's being a little harsh on cowards. I don't even know what you call your extreme cowardliness.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Gun Sales through the roof again! The gun manufacturers should be lining up to kiss to Obama at this point. Every time Obama talks about guns the sales go through the roof!

 

[[icon]]

Nice system we have..

A Carver County deputy says a convicted murderer now held for possessing more than a dozen firearms could have passed a background check to buy them.

Christian Oberender was convicted of murdering his mother, Mary Oberender in 1995 when he was 14-years-old. Oberender, now 32, shot her several times with a shotgun.

Eighteen years later he faces felony charges for possessing those 13 guns illegally, but Carver County Deputy Jason Kamerud says the convicted murder may have been able to purchase them himself. When Kamerud ran a criminal history check on Oberender on the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) database no flag came up telling him Oberender was prohibited from owning a firearm.

"When we ran his criminal history it wasn't indicated that he should not be able to have firearms," Kamerud said.

The deputy said he doesn't know why the database didn't flag the fact that Oberender is banned from possessing firearms.

Christian Oberender is being held in the Carver County jail on $1 million

Yeah...... maybe we might want to fix the part of the system that's already in place before trying to stack more bricks on the crumbling wall.

 

[[icon]]

No, I didn't miss this part. But it seems rather convenient for him to say that, and it doesn't really seem like he needed to confront the thieves in the first place, and honestly the story makes it sound like this guy was relishing the opportunity to kill people. If he's so worried about the SUV, why would he want to ruin it with a bunch of bullet holes and blood?

Spin it however you want it. Some people are just destined to be victims. Others call the police and complain about the way that they handle it. Its a no win situation. As long as the guy was within his right (legally speaking) to confront the thieves with a weapon and the theives had a gun, why is this such a problem? I doubt many people "relish" in the idea to kill someone they don't even know.

From my perspective, it seems like a lot of gun folks do exactly that. It seems like a lot of folks enjoy fantasizing about the prospect of shooting somebody that breaks into their house. There seems to be little to no consideration to the possibility of simply fleeing the house and calling the police.

You are a coward. Actually...That's being a little harsh on cowards. I don't even know what you call your extreme cowardliness.

 

[badmojo1006]

NRA vows "The Fight of the Century"

 

[E Street Brat]

Wow, and I thought only the nuts on here were talking about Obama's kids as if they should just take the bus alone. No idea the NRA would double down like that. Insanity.Carry on.

So we use guns to protect those most likely to be harmed, and cake for the rest of us.

 

[TobiasFunke]

That's a whole lotta nuthin'.

No, it isn't nothing. He just dealt a harsh blow to mental health in America. Now that psychiatrists have been turned into snitches who is going to go to one? Never in my life will I ever visit a mental health practitioner. The risk of obtaining a label that can never be washed off is now omnipresent.

But now, its for the children. Lol, if the hypocrisy wasn't so deep, it would be laughable, but its really sad and disgusting and transparently disengenious.

Of course it isn't. It's all about power and control. If he really cared about gun violence he'd be addressing the country from Chicago addressing handguns surrounded by 20-25 year old black males.

I agree that these measures won't do much to stem gun violence. But I'd like to hear a more detailed explanation about how this is "all about power and control." Is he trying to increase his "power and control" or just exercise "power and control" that he already has? More importantly, to what end is this grab for/exercise of "power and control"? What's he ultimately trying to accomplish? Obviously you don't think his motive is to stem gun violence, so what is his motive?

 

[[icon]]

You are a coward. Actually...That's being a little harsh on cowards. I don't even know what you call your extreme cowardliness.

Do you think that killing somebody else makes you brave?

I think protecting my family from men who mean them harm makes me brave. If I live my life and never have to use a weapon in self defense...fantastic. If someone kicks in my door in the middle of the night, hears me racking a shotgun and yelling to leave and they do? Great. If someone choses to continue into my home despite the locked door and the warning, I will protect my family. I know some think hiding the closet and blowing snot bubbles into the phone to 911 seems like the play here... but I tend to disagree.

 

[Slingblade]

You are a coward. Actually...That's being a little harsh on cowards. I don't even know what you call your extreme cowardliness.

Do you think that killing somebody else makes you brave?

I think protecting my family from men who mean them harm makes me brave.

This.

 

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You are a coward. Actually...That's being a little harsh on cowards. I don't even know what you call your extreme cowardliness.

Do you think that killing somebody else makes you brave?

I think protecting my family from men who mean them harm makes me brave.

Not the question.

That's my answer. Take it or leave it.

 

[Henry Ford]

I know some think hiding the closet and blowing snot bubbles into the phone to 911 seems like the play here... but I tend to disagree.

If only there were other options.

 

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You are a coward. Actually...That's being a little harsh on cowards. I don't even know what you call your extreme cowardliness.

Do you think that killing somebody else makes you brave?

I think protecting my family from men who mean them harm makes me brave.

Not the question.

That's my answer. Take it or leave it.

Do you think dodging a question makes you brave?

Does failing to connect dots make you realize you're being a #######? Is blue your favorite color? Red is my favorite color. WHY ARE YOU DODGING THE QUESTION!? PROTIP: Obviously I don't feel killing someone else makes me brave if I refined your statement to a more accurate reflection of what "makes me feel brave". HTH.

 

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I know some think hiding the closet and blowing snot bubbles into the phone to 911 seems like the play here... but I tend to disagree.

If only there were other options.

Please.. explain these options. Maybe offer them a cup of tea? A game of chess? Explain that you're not a mafia don?

 

[timschochet]

That's a whole lotta nuthin'.

No, it isn't nothing. He just dealt a harsh blow to mental health in America. Now that psychiatrists have been turned into snitches who is going to go to one? Never in my life will I ever visit a mental health practitioner. The risk of obtaining a label that can never be washed off is now omnipresent.

If this were in any way true, it would seriously bother me as well. But I can find anything in the description of the executive orders that comes close to this interpretation. The only thing that even touches upon it is an affirmation that Obamacare would not restrict doctors from reporting threats of violence to the authorities, and I would think that would be warranted.So please explain how you justify the comments that you made.

 

[jonboltz]

That's a whole lotta nuthin'.

No, it isn't nothing. He just dealt a harsh blow to mental health in America. Now that psychiatrists have been turned into snitches who is going to go to one? Never in my life will I ever visit a mental health practitioner. The risk of obtaining a label that can never be washed off is now omnipresent.

If this were in any way true, it would seriously bother me as well. But I can find anything in the description of the executive orders that comes close to this interpretation. The only thing that even touches upon it is an affirmation that Obamacare would not restrict doctors from reporting threats of violence to the authorities, and I would think that would be warranted.So please explain how you justify the comments that you made.

Psychiatrists are already mandated to report specific threats to the police. For a long time, actually.