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Care to show me where in 2A it says anything about the amount of bullets a gun can shoot? When 2A was written they had no clue about guns that would shoot 100's of rounds in minutes. But I am sure you can provide the link that will counter what I am saying. It does say " well regulated".. which is what this is doing..
Bingo!People spend thousands of dollars on guns. It's perfectly reasonable to spend thousands of dollars on an honest-to-God saferoom instead.And if the kids can get grabbed while running to this saferoom, they can get grabbed while you're running to get between them and the intruder(s). What are you going to do then? Seems like there are no perfect solutions.Regarding the home defense hachetFor a saferoom to be effective it must be a lot more than a closet with a solid core door... I hope you realize that right? Is there any chance of encountering said intruder for any members of the family moving from their bedrooms to this safe room? No chance of kids getting grabbed while running to the safe room in mommy and daddy's room? How safe IS this safe room?
Calling 911: Average police response time is close to 10 minutes. They are no help to you.
Evacuating your family: My thoughts.
If you've got severe emotional problems, violent tendencies, and it's reasonable to believe that you would be willing to hurt people, owning a gun gives you the means to do so - which makes it much clearer for a mental health professional to disregard confidentiality and contact the authorities and/or the people you have ill will toward in order to warn them.
Are you suggesting that this is a news flash to me?Bingo!People spend thousands of dollars on guns. It's perfectly reasonable to spend thousands of dollars on an honest-to-God saferoom instead.And if the kids can get grabbed while running to this saferoom, they can get grabbed while you're running to get between them and the intruder(s). What are you going to do then? Seems like there are no perfect solutions.Regarding the home defense hachet
Calling 911: Average police response time is close to 10 minutes. They are no help to you.
Evacuating your family: My thoughts.
Gary Johnson's response
The entire thread. The fact that we have a debate about taking peoples rights away to own an inanimate object that does discriminatory damage by a government that is based on these types of weapons and extremely large indiscriminate weapons is baffling to me. Why does our government need so many of these weapons?Are you suggesting that this is a news flash to me?Bingo!People spend thousands of dollars on guns. It's perfectly reasonable to spend thousands of dollars on an honest-to-God saferoom instead.And if the kids can get grabbed while running to this saferoom, they can get grabbed while you're running to get between them and the intruder(s). What are you going to do then? Seems like there are no perfect solutions.Regarding the home defense hachet
Calling 911: Average police response time is close to 10 minutes. They are no help to you.
Evacuating your family: My thoughts.
Gotcha. Your position is duly noted.
Sure. Happens a lot more than you'd think, actually.
Thanks, HF!I would have thought the NRA would have already filed the papers to do so since they can be blocked.
Someone has to draft the lawsuit. That takes a little time after the Orders are signed.
If the second amendment is intended to empower the people, to be able to stand up against the government, if the need arises,(which it is, and you should admit to such) any limitation of fire power is pushing us in the wrong direction. Because we are already out gunned..I don't know all the details of a "universal background check". What is the difference between the background check they do now and a "universal background check"? I could see myself agreeing with checking for violent felons, and clinically insane, but the only difference at that point I see would be a back ground check for mental illness..Are they going to keep a file based on everyone's internet ramblings? Anyone that speaks out against, or speaks harshly towards government going to be labeled extremist/potential terrorist? And ultimately forbidden from buying a gun? Is that beyond today's US government? I don't think so..
If no one else is going to say it, I will. I disagree. Assuming I'm reading your question properly.Maybe someone can explain to me why, when the NRA and anti-regulation individuals seem so latched onto the "plain reading" of things like "shall not be infringed," they think it's totally cool to disregard the entire text of the Second Amendment and the Constitution and think that the Founding Fathers intended them to have guns to take up arms against the government.Edited to clarify. Hell, I'm pro-gun. I meant anti-regulation.
It is kind of odd that the people who seem most afraid of government domination also support virtually unlimited "defense" spending and placing an armed government employee in close proximity to all our children. But whatever.
If, as a society, we really cared about children as much as we pretend to we wouldn't be OK with saddling them with mountains of debt.
Is there any basis for you disagreeing?It seems clear to me that we were meant to be able to rise up militarily against our government if needed..Lets start with you telling us what you think the intent behind the second amendment was, if not that.. It boggles my mind that that anyone could construe it any other way..
That is your own conclusion separate from reality. I don't have to fear government domination in order to want and hold fast to my civil rights. And I personally disagree with both gun limitation for sane and law abiding citizens and detest the amount of military spending our government does.. Sorry for burning down your strawman..
What civil rights are being infringed on here?
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I have spent less than 1000 on my guns (home defense shotgun and CCW pistol. They can be taken with me on the road for protection while traveling. In addition I enjoy sport shooting (clay pigeon range at casinos in tunica) with my shotgun. There's a pretty big difference between that and fortifying a room of your home properly (10k) Regarding the other comment... That is why you intercept the intruders before they can get to your children's room... An option you don't really have with a safe room.People spend thousands of dollars on guns. It's perfectly reasonable to spend thousands of dollars on an honest-to-God saferoom instead.And if the kids can get grabbed while running to this saferoom, they can get grabbed while you're running to get between them and the intruder(s). What are you going to do then? Seems like there are no perfect solutions.Regarding the home defense hachet
Yes. Article III, Section III of the Constitution.
That's weird. I know it's kind of a pseudo-mainstream position these days, but you're talking about treason.
To allow for continuing militias (which are in service of the United States, not against the United States), which some had called for dismantling in favor of moving those troops to a centralized standing army, and which would have left individual states essentially defenseless before things like planes and trains because there would be no remaining troops in many of the States. I realize there were Antifederalists who were afraid that the standing army would take over the country and impose martial law, but that's really not the same thing as it being the reason for the Amendment. Particularly because the Antifederalists, for all intents and purposes, lost. Big time. The Bill of Rights was essentially the Federalists conceding that those rights already existed in the Constitution and it didn't really matter if the Antifederalists got their list of stuff that was already considered part of everything.These "militias" were still directable and deployable by Congress if necessary.
You do if the safe room is attached to your kids' rooms. They're safe whether or not you get to them, and whether or not you can get between them and the bad guys. It's actually probably a good deal safer for them than you having a gun. No, it isn't cheap. I agree.I have spent less than 1000 on my guns (home defense shotgun and CCW pistol. They can be taken with me on the road for protection while traveling. In addition I enjoy sport shooting (clay pigeon range at casinos in tunica) with my shotgun. There's a pretty big difference between that and fortifying a room of your home properly (10k) Regarding the other comment... That is why you intercept the intruders before they can get to your children's room... An option you don't really have with a safe room.People spend thousands of dollars on guns. It's perfectly reasonable to spend thousands of dollars on an honest-to-God saferoom instead.And if the kids can get grabbed while running to this saferoom, they can get grabbed while you're running to get between them and the intruder(s). What are you going to do then? Seems like there are no perfect solutions.Regarding the home defense hachet
More people do this than you realize.
So Jhuber and who was the other dude?
If its late at night and its just the GF and I here... I get a knock and I don't recognize the person on the other side my shotgun is usually in hand if he is persistent about knocking.
Well now this can go on the back burner, where it belongs. Obama can say he did all that he could do and Congress will do nothing that will affect most gun owners. I seriously doubt that even the Senate will pass either a gun ban of any kind or a ban on standard round magazines and if they do the House will not pass it anyway. As long as there is no database where the government knows what and how many guns I own, they can pass whatever else they want. So it was a win for legal, responsible gun owners and a loss for the "grabbers". All he managed to do was sell a whole lot more guns and ammo to folks that are not ready to handle them and indeed has made American more dangerous while doing it.
I would love to see some photos of the fortified safe room off your children's bedrooms. Is it a converted closet? Attic space?You do if the safe room is attached to your kids' rooms. They're safe whether or not you get to them, and whether or not you can get between them and the bad guys. It's actually probably a good deal safer for them than you having a gun. No, it isn't cheap. I agree.I have spent less than 1000 on my guns (home defense shotgun and CCW pistol. They can be taken with me on the road for protection while traveling. In addition I enjoy sport shooting (clay pigeon range at casinos in tunica) with my shotgun. There's a pretty big difference between that and fortifying a room of your home properly (10k) Regarding the other comment... That is why you intercept the intruders before they can get to your children's room... An option you don't really have with a safe room.People spend thousands of dollars on guns. It's perfectly reasonable to spend thousands of dollars on an honest-to-God saferoom instead.And if the kids can get grabbed while running to this saferoom, they can get grabbed while you're running to get between them and the intruder(s). What are you going to do then? Seems like there are no perfect solutions.Regarding the home defense hachet
Who said I did it?
and this has happened to you more than once?
No, I use a gun. Just saying it's an option.I would love to see some photos of the fortified safe room off your children's bedrooms. Is it a converted closet? Attic space?You do if the safe room is attached to your kids' rooms. They're safe whether or not you get to them, and whether or not you can get between them and the bad guys. It's actually probably a good deal safer for them than you having a gun. No, it isn't cheap. I agree.I have spent less than 1000 on my guns (home defense shotgun and CCW pistol. They can be taken with me on the road for protection while traveling. In addition I enjoy sport shooting (clay pigeon range at casinos in tunica) with my shotgun. There's a pretty big difference between that and fortifying a room of your home properly (10k) Regarding the other comment... That is why you intercept the intruders before they can get to your children's room... An option you don't really have with a safe room.People spend thousands of dollars on guns. It's perfectly reasonable to spend thousands of dollars on an honest-to-God saferoom instead.And if the kids can get grabbed while running to this saferoom, they can get grabbed while you're running to get between them and the intruder(s). What are you going to do then? Seems like there are no perfect solutions.Regarding the home defense hachet
That would be me. And he is correct a lot more people than you realize, you just never see it, just like they don't if I open my door to someone. They have no clue that an "armed nut-job" is standing in front of them, prepared to defend himself if necessary.
That's funny to you, but the idea of the suicide clause for the United States being inserted into the Bill of Rights seems perfectly reasonable?
Suicide clause?That's funny to you, but the idea of the suicide clause for the United States being inserted into the Bill of Rights seems perfectly reasonable?
They funny part is... you have made yourself and everyone in your household 3 times more likely to be murdered by a gun.
You're suggesting there's a clause in the Bill of Rights intended to preserve some right of the States (who were in charge of the militias in question) to wage war against the Federal Government and overthrow it. That's the self destruct button. And it isn't there.Suicide clause?That's funny to you, but the idea of the suicide clause for the United States being inserted into the Bill of Rights seems perfectly reasonable?
You do realize how this country was founded right? Have you ever read the dec. of ind.? It's the sole reason the second amendment exists.You're suggesting there's a clause in the Bill of Rights intended to preserve some right of the States (who were in charge of the militias in question) to wage war against the Federal Government and overthrow it.Suicide clause?That's funny to you, but the idea of the suicide clause for the United States being inserted into the Bill of Rights seems perfectly reasonable?
And who brought up the snott bubbles?
Yes, I am and yes, I have.And no, it's not.You are aware that taking up arms against the Federal Government of the United States is treason, right?You do realize how this country was founded right? Have you ever read the dec. of ind.? It's the sole reason the second amendment exists.You're suggesting there's a clause in the Bill of Rights intended to preserve some right of the States (who were in charge of the militias in question) to wage war against the Federal Government and overthrow it.Suicide clause?That's funny to you, but the idea of the suicide clause for the United States being inserted into the Bill of Rights seems perfectly reasonable?
You are aware that every single colonist fighting against the British were traitors, right?
Not even close.
You are aware that they were traitors to a country that was not the United States, right?
They were traitors to a country they belonged to and that ruled over them.
Are you suggesting taking up arms against the Federal Government of the US?
Now that was funny.
What about them?'Matthias said:
At this moment?
