***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (2 Viewers)

[MAC_32]

#deflection

 

[moleculo]

Deflection is often what pro gun guys do in these debates.

I can make more of a case for gun sales than I can for alcohol sales.I ran the numbers on DUI deaths today and it came out to 28 a day on average.

And if alcohol is banned and I can justify the risk (cost) of getting my hands on some moonshine I'll do it. I'm not defending alcohol, you brought it up, without being instigated, just like most pro gun guys do because they know their reasons for possessing firearms are selfish and not for the good of society. If you want to battle against alcohol then start another thread and battle in there but...given your handle and avatar I'm guessing you won't be doing that.

we already tried banning alcohol in this country. How did that work out?

 

[ATC1]

Stop ####### collecting guns, you #######ed gun nerds. Collect stamps. Or coins. But the guns? Just ban the ####### things. It's not worth this. Seriously. Stop being hillbillies for 14 ####### minutes and consider the trade off. It's not worth it. Hillbillies abusing the constitution for their right to be completely and totally ####### ######ed.There is no reason any of you civilians need a gun.YWIA

Someone needs a hug. Just give me a second to move my gun off my hip.

 

[Apple Jack]

Yeah, but pretty much every is on board with alcohol. Guns, not so much.

Exactly.No thought into the bigger issue. Thank goodness gun owners aren't as small of a minority as homosexuals.

The alcohol argument is a straw man. It's a non-starter. This is not about numbers, it's about money. And people who are paranoid and people who like to play with guns. And some who like to commit mass murder when the impulse strikes.

 

[Apple Jack]

Deflection is often what pro gun guys do in these debates.

I can make more of a case for gun sales than I can for alcohol sales.I ran the numbers on DUI deaths today and it came out to 28 a day on average.

And if alcohol is banned and I can justify the risk (cost) of getting my hands on some moonshine I'll do it. I'm not defending alcohol, you brought it up, without being instigated, just like most pro gun guys do because they know their reasons for possessing firearms are selfish and not for the good of society. If you want to battle against alcohol then start another thread and battle in there but...given your handle and avatar I'm guessing you won't be doing that.

My reasons for owning a gun are less selfish than someone needing a drink. We all see things from our own selfish viewpoint.

It is pretty selfish after all to get sick and tired of mass murders.

 

[BigJohn]

Yeah, but pretty much every is on board with alcohol. Guns, not so much.

Exactly.No thought into the bigger issue. Thank goodness gun owners aren't as small of a minority as homosexuals.

Now down the homosexual route? Wow.Gun owners continue to have zero defense. You're selfish, that's really it.

Does your 55" plasma really benefit society in any way, does it? You selfish *******.

 

[comfortably numb]

Might want to look at WHY people do these things and not HOW.

Hint: It isn't a gun problem.

Sure sounds like a gun problem when 20 small children get shot with guns. But yeah, you've got this one solved, Matlock.

Wrong Sherlock. The problem was with a nutjob who decided he wanted to kill a bunch of kids. The method isn't nearly as important.

Totally not important. It would have played out exactly the same way if he had a bucket of water balloons.Thanks Cliff for being so spot on again.

Maybe we just need MORE guns. Think about it. If all of those 5-year-olds were armed, this would have ended way better.

We need to put the hicks on an island out in the ocean and let them pretend they're still living in the 1800's. Only solution. Go shoot each other, who cares at that point.

Oh, sorry, you're right. This guy just thought GUNS! "I can get GUNS! I'm gonna go kill a bunch of kids because GUNS!"

Let me help you here, Cliff.There were two pieces in this puzzle today: a person, and guns.

It's gonna be hard to ban persons. Would make for a really awkward civilization to continue on. But hey, guess what? Guns? As between these two things, I think we could get rid of the guns and still get on alright.

Hope this lesson in logic for dummies helped.

Best,

Oats

I am not a gun activist but over 10,000 people die a year with drunk driving related deaths in the US add in another 4-5,000 cell phone while driving related deaths per year. That is A LOT of people. You ready to give up booze, phones and cars?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

#deflection

You need to stop this and just accept you're wrong.

 

[MAC_32]

Yeah, but pretty much every is on board with alcohol. Guns, not so much.

Exactly.No thought into the bigger issue. Thank goodness gun owners aren't as small of a minority as homosexuals.

Now down the homosexual route? Wow.Gun owners continue to have zero defense. You're selfish, that's really it.

Does your 55" plasma really benefit society in any way, does it? You selfish *******.

#deflection

 

[moleculo]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

 

[MAC_32]

#deflection

You need to stop this and just accept you're wrong.

Until pro guns give a good reason instead of changing the subject, no.

 

[sporthenry]

The point is, most Americans are for some gun control. They aren't necessarily for no guns, but they obviously think something needs to be done. If I was the NRA/Republican party, I would probably lead the charge so they can put what they want in the bill or else they run the risk of getting shut out.

 

[MAC_32]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

I figured it was assumed.

 

[moleculo]

#deflection

You need to stop this and just accept you're wrong.

Until pro guns give a good reason instead of changing the subject, no.

#deflection

 

[Apple Jack]

I think your issues are with cars, not alcohol and cell phones. And if it is with alcohol and cell phones, at least alcohol and cell phones serve very useful purposes for people in today's society. Guns just kill. That's their sole purpose. To kill. YAY!

 

[Cliff Clavin]

#deflection

You need to stop this and just accept you're wrong.

Until pro guns give a good reason instead of changing the subject, no.

Hunting. And now you'll deflect by saying I can buy meat from a grocer.

 

[moleculo]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

I figured it was assumed.

ok. Assume guns are banned, yet guns still exist. How is that helping?

 

[jamny]

I think your issues are with cars, not alcohol and cell phones. And if it is with alcohol and cell phones, at least alcohol and cell phones serve very useful purposes for people in today's society. Guns just kill. That's their sole purpose. To kill. YAY!

or protect against being killed.

 

[BassNBrew]

Yeah, but pretty much every is on board with alcohol. Guns, not so much.

Exactly.No thought into the bigger issue. Thank goodness gun owners aren't as small of a minority as homosexuals.

The alcohol argument is a straw man. It's a non-starter. This is not about numbers, it's about money. And people who are paranoid and people who like to play with guns. And some who like to commit mass murder when the impulse strikes.

I'll disagree with your first statement but I would like to hear about how it's about money.Regarding "paranoid and like to play with guns"...relating to alcohol again..."addicts and like to harm their body" would be a fit.

 

[Apple Jack]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

I figured it was assumed.

No, but it would certainly reduce gun crime and within a couple generations this place would be much safer than it would be with guns. Just make it a felony to be in possession of a gun, mandatory jail time. Period. No exceptions. It'll take some getting used to and it'll be a challenge for awhile, but for the good of the future of this country, it would be better. Absolutely.

 

[MAC_32]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

I figured it was assumed.

ok. Assume guns are banned, yet guns still exist. How is that helping?

This really isn't self explanatory?

 

[BigJohn]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

Can we move past that guns are PART of the equation? The next question is how do you get rid of them? How has making other things illegal worked out in the past? Cocaine is illegal. Have we stopped cocaine from being sold and distributed in our country? How do we accomplish the task of getting the guns out of the criminals hands? Because that's what the goal is, right?

I tried...

 

[BigJohn]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

I figured it was assumed.

ok. Assume guns are banned, yet guns still exist. How is that helping?

This really isn't self explanatory?

#deflection

 

[moleculo]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

I figured it was assumed.

ok. Assume guns are banned, yet guns still exist. How is that helping?

This really isn't self explanatory?

not really, no. Alcohol was brought up previously. Interestingly, it was banned once. I asked how that turned out...how do you think a gun ban would be different?

 

[BassNBrew]

I think your issues are with cars, not alcohol and cell phones. And if it is with alcohol and cell phones, at least alcohol and cell phones serve very useful purposes for people in today's society. Guns just kill. That's their sole purpose. To kill. YAY!

What useful purpose does alcohol serve? I'll give you cell phones.

 

[MAC_32]

#deflection

You need to stop this and just accept you're wrong.

Until pro guns give a good reason instead of changing the subject, no.

Hunting. And now you'll deflect by saying I can buy meat from a grocer.

There is a difference between deflecting, like the alcohol crowd does, and providing a counter. That was a counter. You can pay an extra few bucks to save lives. You choose not to.

 

[jamny]

I think your issues are with cars, not alcohol and cell phones. And if it is with alcohol and cell phones, at least alcohol and cell phones serve very useful purposes for people in today's society. Guns just kill. That's their sole purpose. To kill. YAY!

What useful purpose does alcohol serve? I'll give you cell phones.

Hey c'mom. Let's not get crazy here.

 

[Apple Jack]

Yeah, but pretty much every is on board with alcohol. Guns, not so much.

Exactly.No thought into the bigger issue. Thank goodness gun owners aren't as small of a minority as homosexuals.

The alcohol argument is a straw man. It's a non-starter. This is not about numbers, it's about money. And people who are paranoid and people who like to play with guns. And some who like to commit mass murder when the impulse strikes.

I'll disagree with your first statement but I would like to hear about how it's about money.Regarding "paranoid and like to play with guns"...relating to alcohol again..."addicts and like to harm their body" would be a fit.

Addicts harm their own bodies. There's a lot of money in guns. Making them illegal would be bad for those people. And there is a lot of money in the gun lobby. And a hell of lot of influence. Guns have become the new third rail on the Hill. It's going to be interesting to see if Obama sacs up for once, now that he'll never run for anything ever again.

 

[Apple Jack]

I think your issues are with cars, not alcohol and cell phones. And if it is with alcohol and cell phones, at least alcohol and cell phones serve very useful purposes for people in today's society. Guns just kill. That's their sole purpose. To kill. YAY!

What useful purpose does alcohol serve? I'll give you cell phones.

Hey c'mom. Let's not get crazy here.

Chances he's drunk and getting carried away?

 

[BassNBrew]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

I figured it was assumed.

No, but it would certainly reduce gun crime and within a couple generations this place would be much safer than it would be with guns. Just make it a felony to be in possession of a gun, mandatory jail time. Period. No exceptions. It'll take some getting used to and it'll be a challenge for awhile, but for the good of the future of this country, it would be better. Absolutely.

Willing to apply this to alcohol, weed, cigarettes???

 

[eoMMan]

#deflection

Where does it stop then?Ban crossbows?Ban kitchen knives?Many things in this world can do harm. It's all about responsibility. Blame the problem, not the tool the problem used.

 

[moleculo]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

I figured it was assumed.

No, but it would certainly reduce gun crime and within a couple generations this place would be much safer than it would be with guns. Just make it a felony to be in possession of a gun, mandatory jail time. Period. No exceptions. It'll take some getting used to and it'll be a challenge for awhile, but for the good of the future of this country, it would be better. Absolutely.

I don't think that's possible. We can't pass a freakin budget agreement despite the impending "fiscal cliff", but you think we are going to come to terms on something that might make things better in a couple of generations? I think there are some windmills out there that need tilted at.

 

[MAC_32]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

I figured it was assumed.

ok. Assume guns are banned, yet guns still exist. How is that helping?

This really isn't self explanatory?

not really, no. Alcohol was brought up previously. Interestingly, it was banned once. I asked how that turned out...how do you think a gun ban would be different?

At first, probably similar. Likely outcome? I'd say gun violence numbers in every other country in the world would be a good start.

 

[Apple Jack]

Doctors say wine is GOOD FOR YOU. I love that. It makes me happy and keeps my blood pressure low. It also allows me to be awesome on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays, the occasional Monday, a rare Tuesday here and there, slightly more often on Wednesday, and epically so on Thursdays. So there's, y'know...that.

 

[sporthenry]

#deflection

Where does it stop then?Ban crossbows?Ban kitchen knives?Many things in this world can do harm. It's all about responsibility. Blame the problem, not the tool the problem used.

So what is your response to gun violence or this massacre? I'll get past the whole, crossbow won't kill 20 people and allow you to shoot 100 times but we agree there is a problem. How do you get people to stop shooting people? I figure the easiest, most effective way is to take away the gun.

 

[moleculo]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

I figured it was assumed.

ok. Assume guns are banned, yet guns still exist. How is that helping?

This really isn't self explanatory?

not really, no. Alcohol was brought up previously. Interestingly, it was banned once. I asked how that turned out...how do you think a gun ban would be different?

At first, probably similar. Likely outcome? I'd say gun violence numbers in every other country in the world would be a good start.

every other country?

 

[Apple Jack]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

I figured it was assumed.

No, but it would certainly reduce gun crime and within a couple generations this place would be much safer than it would be with guns. Just make it a felony to be in possession of a gun, mandatory jail time. Period. No exceptions. It'll take some getting used to and it'll be a challenge for awhile, but for the good of the future of this country, it would be better. Absolutely.

Willing to apply this to alcohol, weed, cigarettes???

Cigarettes? Sure. Alcohol, probably not. Weed, the research doesn't point to any consequence like these other things.

 

[BassNBrew]

Addicts harm their own bodies. There's a lot of money in guns. Making them illegal would be bad for those people. And there is a lot of money in the gun lobby. And a hell of lot of influence. Guns have become the new third rail on the Hill. It's going to be interesting to see if Obama sacs up for once, now that he'll never run for anything ever again.

I think there's alot more more in alcohol than guns. So much in fact that the industry has been more bullet proof than the tobacco industry.

 

[eoMMan]

#deflection

Where does it stop then?Ban crossbows?Ban kitchen knives?Many things in this world can do harm. It's all about responsibility. Blame the problem, not the tool the problem used.

So what is your response to gun violence or this massacre? I'll get past the whole, crossbow won't kill 20 people and allow you to shoot 100 times but we agree there is a problem. How do you get people to stop shooting people? I figure the easiest, most effective way is to take away the gun.

Stop the individual and who cares if had a nuclear bomb. He's the problem, not the weapon of choice.

 

[cobalt_27]

Why does anyone need an assault weapon? Serious question.I get a hunting rifle. Heck, even a pistol for protection, fine.But an assault weapon? What's one good reason to buy a good designed to effectively kill people?

For the same reason a person needs laws that allow them to own grenades and nuclear bombs.

 

[BassNBrew]

I haven't read this whole thread, but has it been addressed that banning guns won't actually rid the world of guns?

I figured it was assumed.

No, but it would certainly reduce gun crime and within a couple generations this place would be much safer than it would be with guns. Just make it a felony to be in possession of a gun, mandatory jail time. Period. No exceptions. It'll take some getting used to and it'll be a challenge for awhile, but for the good of the future of this country, it would be better. Absolutely.

Willing to apply this to alcohol, weed, cigarettes???

Cigarettes? Sure. Alcohol, probably not. Weed, the research doesn't point to any consequence like these other things.

Personally I can't get on board with banning any of them despite being willing to admit that a society without alcohol, guns, cigs, motorcycles, etc would be safer.

 

[MAC_32]

So, still no good reasons from the gun crowd, yes?

 

[moleculo]

#deflection

Where does it stop then?Ban crossbows?Ban kitchen knives?Many things in this world can do harm. It's all about responsibility. Blame the problem, not the tool the problem used.

So what is your response to gun violence or this massacre? I'll get past the whole, crossbow won't kill 20 people and allow you to shoot 100 times but we agree there is a problem. How do you get people to stop shooting people? I figure the easiest, most effective way is to take away the gun.

I don't believe it's possible to take away the gun.

 

[Abraham]

So, still no good reasons from the gun crowd, yes?

Guns are just a tool!

 

[ATC1]

So, still no good reasons from the gun crowd, yes?

I would like to see gun get banned and do some good. I would be the first in line to give it away if I could feel like I can go the the mall or movies without needing to worry about crime. It's just not going to happen, so until then I'll continue to carry responsibly as the governemt allows me too.

 

[Ilov80s]

Yeah, but pretty much every is on board with alcohol. Guns, not so much.

Exactly.No thought into the bigger issue. Thank goodness gun owners aren't as small of a minority as homosexuals.

The alcohol argument is a straw man. It's a non-starter. is not about numbers, it's about money. And people who are paranoid and people who like to play with guns. And some who like to commit mass murder when the impulse strikes.

I'll disagree with your first statement but I would like to hear about how it's about money.Regarding "paranoid and like to play with guns"...relating to alcohol again..."addicts and like to harm their body" would be a fit.

Addicts harm their own bodies. There's a lot of money in guns. Making them illegal would be bad for those people. And there is a lot of money in the gun lobby. And a hell of lot of influence. Guns have become the new third rail on the Hill. It's going to be interesting to see if Obama sacs up for once, now that he'll never run for anything ever again.

What do you mean by addicts harm.their own body in relation to this topic?

 

[moleculo]

So, still no good reasons from the gun crowd, yes?

I'd like to hear an argument for the effectiveness of your proposed ban before we consider dramatically altering the Constitution and impinging on our God given rights.

 

[MAC_32]

Thankfully, I really believe this time, something is going to be done about it. Hopefully it's something meaningful.

 

[Apple Jack]

Wait a second, if I'm staying in tonight I wanted the hot CNN chick. Where is she? Burnett I think her name is? WTF?

 

[Apple Jack]

Yeah, but pretty much every is on board with alcohol. Guns, not so much.

Exactly.No thought into the bigger issue. Thank goodness gun owners aren't as small of a minority as homosexuals.

The alcohol argument is a straw man. It's a non-starter. is not about numbers, it's about money. And people who are paranoid and people who like to play with guns. And some who like to commit mass murder when the impulse strikes.

I'll disagree with your first statement but I would like to hear about how it's about money.Regarding "paranoid and like to play with guns"...relating to alcohol again..."addicts and like to harm their body" would be a fit.

Addicts harm their own bodies. There's a lot of money in guns. Making them illegal would be bad for those people. And there is a lot of money in the gun lobby. And a hell of lot of influence. Guns have become the new third rail on the Hill. It's going to be interesting to see if Obama sacs up for once, now that he'll never run for anything ever again.

What do you mean by addicts harm.their own body in relation to this topic?