Borat
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Independent here.The republican party = the "me" party. MY guns. MY money. MY rights. MY freedom. Me me me.
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***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (8 Viewers)
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Jobber
Footballguy
If they outlaw larger capacities, yes.Cool. You buying?They'd be able to manufacture 10 round magazines to replace the 13, 15 or whatever round magazines out there now.No, because I'd have to give up my 13 round Glock.
Borat
Footballguy
Cool. They're around $25 a piece, and I've got 3 of them. I assume you've got everyone else in my position covered financially too, right?If they outlaw larger capacities, yes.Cool. You buying?They'd be able to manufacture 10 round magazines to replace the 13, 15 or whatever round magazines out there now.No, because I'd have to give up my 13 round Glock.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
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Otis
Footballguy
"What a #### that guy is. He cares way too much about the safety of women and children. He should spend more time posting in Tim's WWI Favorite Nurse Outfits Draft Thread, or the Favorite Barstool Manufacturer thread, or the 'My neighbor ran over my lawn gnome' thread. Effin Otis."
Slingblade
Footballguy
I hope so. I've got about 15-20 "hi cap" glock mags. That's not including the actual hi cap 33rd 9mm mags I have that are about 50 bucks a pop.Cool. They're around $25 a piece, and I've got 3 of them. I assume you've got everyone else in my position covered financially too, right?If they outlaw larger capacities, yes.Cool. You buying?They'd be able to manufacture 10 round magazines to replace the 13, 15 or whatever round magazines out there now.No, because I'd have to give up my 13 round Glock.
Borat
Footballguy
You forgot to put it in bold, huge font. Now no one will ever know how strongly you feel about this.
Otis
Footballguy
You don't sing all high notes, shooter.
My buddy works for one of the larger gun retailers in the US. Some comments from him.
Last Friday was the 3rd biggest day ever for background requests. #1 being Black Friday this year and #2 Bleck Friday last year.
ARs are flying off the shelf.
****'s Sporting Good's will no longer sell ARs.
ATF has hold times for check and is streamlining to speed the process.
Last Friday was the 3rd biggest day ever for background requests. #1 being Black Friday this year and #2 Bleck Friday last year.
ARs are flying off the shelf.
****'s Sporting Good's will no longer sell ARs.
ATF has hold times for check and is streamlining to speed the process.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I can't believe no one's come up with thiss argument before.
Dvorak
Footballguy
Unless a woman is about to be raped by a stronger man. In which case should should lie there and take it until she can report it to the police. Defending herself with a gun is unacceptable.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Oh, that's why they call it a Bushmaster.
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
Took my wife shooting today, had 10 rounds in her magazines, emptied 1 then popped in another, emptied that loaded another and emptied that. Had the target at 7 yards, told her to take her time and just try and hit the target anywhere and not try for a bulls eye. Took all of 57 seconds to put all 30 rounds in the target.This is a 61 year old woman shooting a 9mm. She has been shooting less than a year, once a week. This also without the laser pointer on.Now if you think 10 round magazines is the answer, think again. Again a 61 yr old grandmother who had never touched a gun in the first 60 years of her life, having no clue why I asked her to do what she did.
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
As a side note, while we were at the gun range I ask how gun sales were the last few days, they said they cannot keep enough ARs in stock and will get an extra shipment in over the weekend. Also a guy in front of us tried to buy 20 thirty round magazines, but they only had 7 left.
This stuff is flying off the shelves and this is a gun range/shop (high prices), imagine this weekends gun show which has changed it hours to open an hour earlier and close an hour later.
This stuff is flying off the shelves and this is a gun range/shop (high prices), imagine this weekends gun show which has changed it hours to open an hour earlier and close an hour later.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Wonderul.Freaking rubes.
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
My wife is a librarian at a high school (masters degree) and I are an engineer (masters degree). We were both born and raised in the New England. Freaking Rubes is all you got?
Borat
Footballguy
New Englanders?! Educated people?! I thought all gun owners were supposed to be red neck hicks?My wife is a librarian at a high school (masters degree) and I are an engineer (masters degree). We were both born and raised in the New England. Freaking Rubes is all you got?
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
Both born, raised and educated in Rhode Island. Of course we now live in Texas so I guess we are indeed rednecks.New Englanders?! Educated people?! I thought all gun owners were supposed to be red neck hicks?My wife is a librarian at a high school (masters degree) and I are an engineer (masters degree). We were both born and raised in the New England. Freaking Rubes is all you got?
timschochet
Footballguy
So in other words, you are not willing to compromise on this. You can't simply have your high capacity mags at the shooting range. You have to have them at home as well, at work, whatever. And if anyone disagrees, then they're trying to take your constitutional rights away. Do I have this right?
Borat
Footballguy
Way to miss the point entirely (intentionally, no doubt).
timschochet
Footballguy
I will always own up to lack of knowledge. But your use of the phrase "re-writing the Constitution" in reference to the idea of limiting magazine capacity demonstrates your fanaticism on this issue. The idea that anyone would treat high capacity gun magazines as a constitutional right is astonishing to many of us.
timschochet
Footballguy
I didn't miss the point. He was responding to a specific discussion about a compromise being proposed, that high capacity magazines could still be used at shooting ranges. Apparently his response is that his wife needs more than 10 bullets in one clip. I say she doesn't. I think it is a completely ridiculous argument that people need more than 10 bullets for self-defense because they might not be accurate enough. If true, then I don't want this woman to have a firearm in the first place, as she is likely to kill innocent bystanders. Actually, this is a very good argument as to why we should not arm more people, but less.Way to miss the point entirely (intentionally, no doubt).
timschochet
Footballguy
Well, what can one say? People are paranoid all over. Your buddy has a right to earn a living. But if he's gleeful over this, he should be ashamed, IMO.
Slingblade
Footballguy
I didn't miss the point. He was responding to a specific discussion about a compromise being proposed, that high capacity magazines could still be used at shooting ranges. Apparently his response is that his wife needs more than 10 bullets in one clip. I say she doesn't. I think it is a completely ridiculous argument that people need more than 10 bullets for self-defense because they might not be accurate enough. If true, then I don't want this woman to have a firearm in the first place, as she is likely to kill innocent bystanders. Actually, this is a very good argument as to why we should not arm more people, but less.Way to miss the point entirely (intentionally, no doubt).
I see that story went right over tims head.
Dvorak
Footballguy
Because high capacity gun magazines is the only solution being discussed. You are being purposefully obtuse at this point.
shader
Footballguy
This ridiculous analogy has already been tried in this thread
Borat
Footballguy
I didn't miss the point. He was responding to a specific discussion about a compromise being proposed, that high capacity magazines could still be used at shooting ranges. Apparently his response is that his wife needs more than 10 bullets in one clip. I say she doesn't. I think it is a completely ridiculous argument that people need more than 10 bullets for self-defense because they might not be accurate enough. If true, then I don't want this woman to have a firearm in the first place, as she is likely to kill innocent bystanders. Actually, this is a very good argument as to why we should not arm more people, but less.Way to miss the point entirely (intentionally, no doubt).
You clearly did miss the point, but I take back the part about it being intentional.
Borat
Footballguy
You personally (along with others in this thread) seem to feel strongly that AR sales need to be restricted. I get the impression that you will push your elected officials to go along with this.But customers are "paranoid" for thinking this might actually come to fruition? Hmmm.
timschochet
Footballguy
You're responding to my point, not to other people. I have made exactly TWO recommendations in this thread. Neither one would affect the Constitution one iota.
Actually, you kind of did miss his point. His point is that limiting capacity on magazines wouldn't do any good because even an untrained 60 year old grandmother can change two clips and still shoot 30 bullets in a minutely with reasonable accuracy.That said, I agree that limiting capacity might do some good, but certainly not unless you make it retroactive, and even then...I didn't miss the point. He was responding to a specific discussion about a compromise being proposed, that high capacity magazines could still be used at shooting ranges. Apparently his response is that his wife needs more than 10 bullets in one clip. I say she doesn't. I think it is a completely ridiculous argument that people need more than 10 bullets for self-defense because they might not be accurate enough. If true, then I don't want this woman to have a firearm in the first place, as she is likely to kill innocent bystanders. Actually, this is a very good argument as to why we should not arm more people, but less.Way to miss the point entirely (intentionally, no doubt).
timschochet
Footballguy
No I don't. In fact, I have argued against this.You personally (along with others in this thread) seem to feel strongly that AR sales need to be restricted. I get the impression that you will push your elected officials to go along with this.But customers are "paranoid" for thinking this might actually come to fruition? Hmmm.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Shocking that a bunch of paranoid freaks are rushing to gun stores to buy everything they can after hearing that their might be changes to how many people they should be allowed to kill in ten seconds.
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Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Want me to go on?My wife is a librarian at a high school (masters degree) and I are an engineer (masters degree). We were both born and raised in the New England. Freaking Rubes is all you got?
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah I read it wrong. Mea culpa. But whether I missed his point, here's what I notice: no matter what idea is brought up, no matter how much of a compromise is offered, there are people here who will always reject it. Their only solution is more guns. Still I remain hopeful. The NRA has announced that on Friday they will have proposals of their own. Maybe they will give in to the 74% of their membership who support my ideas on this. Guess we'll see.Actually, you kind of did miss his point. His point is that limiting capacity on magazines wouldn't do any good because even an untrained 60 year old grandmother can change two clips and still shoot 30 bullets in a minutely with reasonable accuracy.That said, I agree that limiting capacity might do some good, but certainly not unless you make it retroactive, and even then...
Otis
Footballguy
Give me a list of all the potential rape victims who have prevented the rape because they were packing heat.
Schlzm
Footballguy
If congress doesn't pass new legislation that allows me to kill at least three to four hundred as many people in ten seconds than I currently can, this nation is a failure and needs to be reset. Schlzm
timschochet
Footballguy
No, I don't think assault rifles, whatever that means, should be banned. But what if they are? So what? Will it really infringe your ability to defend yourself? Damn right the people who are rushing to buy them are paranoid.
Is the bolded really different than every other political discussion ever?Yeah I read it wrong. Mea culpa. But whether I missed his point, here's what I notice: no matter what idea is brought up, no matter how much of a compromise is offered, there are people here who will always reject it. Their only solution is more guns.Actually, you kind of did miss his point. His point is that limiting capacity on magazines wouldn't do any good because even an untrained 60 year old grandmother can change two clips and still shoot 30 bullets in a minutely with reasonable accuracy.
That said, I agree that limiting capacity might do some good, but certainly not unless you make it retroactive, and even then...
Still I remain hopeful. The NRA has announced that on Friday they will have proposals of their own. Maybe they will give in to the 74% of their membership who support my ideas on this. Guess we'll see.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
There are plenty of them everywhere.New Englanders?! Educated people?! I thought all gun owners were supposed to be red neck hicks?My wife is a librarian at a high school (masters degree) and I are an engineer (masters degree). We were both born and raised in the New England. Freaking Rubes is all you got?
timschochet
Footballguy
This is a weak argument Otis. You're not really helping here. Of course there are armed women who have defended themselves from rape with the use of firearms, and good for them. I hope more women arm themselves and learn how to use these weapons; I really do. I just don't think they need magazines that allow them to have 30 bullets before reloading, that's all. And I want their weapons to be registered in a national database. Other than these two very small requirements, I'm good with it.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure they have Cracker Barrels in Vermont.
moleculo
Footballguy
I think there are more folks here who's solution is to ban all guns than those saying we need more guns.Yeah I read it wrong. Mea culpa. But whether I missed his point, here's what I notice: no matter what idea is brought up, no matter how much of a compromise is offered, there are people here who will always reject it. Their only solution is more guns. Still I remain hopeful. The NRA has announced that on Friday they will have proposals of their own. Maybe they will give in to the 74% of their membership who support my ideas on this. Guess we'll see.Actually, you kind of did miss his point. His point is that limiting capacity on magazines wouldn't do any good because even an untrained 60 year old grandmother can change two clips and still shoot 30 bullets in a minutely with reasonable accuracy.That said, I agree that limiting capacity might do some good, but certainly not unless you make it retroactive, and even then...
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
Are you responding to me? I am not sure here, I said I put ten rounds, just like you suggested and showed what Grandma could do with three 10 round magazine and how long it took.I have no clue what your point was so I cannot tell if you have "this right". We tried an experiment and I gave you the results.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think so. Other than abortion, this is arguably the most polarizing issue we've had in this country since the civil rights debate.Is the bolded really different than every other political discussion ever?Yeah I read it wrong. Mea culpa. But whether I missed his point, here's what I notice: no matter what idea is brought up, no matter how much of a compromise is offered, there are people here who will always reject it. Their only solution is more guns.Actually, you kind of did miss his point. His point is that limiting capacity on magazines wouldn't do any good because even an untrained 60 year old grandmother can change two clips and still shoot 30 bullets in a minutely with reasonable accuracy.
That said, I agree that limiting capacity might do some good, but certainly not unless you make it retroactive, and even then...
Still I remain hopeful. The NRA has announced that on Friday they will have proposals of their own. Maybe they will give in to the 74% of their membership who support my ideas on this. Guess we'll see.
Borat
Footballguy
You probably should delete this post real quick before someone calls you out on it.ETA: Sorry, too late.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Link? I think there's exactly 1 person here who has posted that we need to ban all guns, and he didn't stay in the discussion very long.I think there are more folks here who's solution is to ban all guns than those saying we need more guns.Yeah I read it wrong. Mea culpa. But whether I missed his point, here's what I notice: no matter what idea is brought up, no matter how much of a compromise is offered, there are people here who will always reject it. Their only solution is more guns. Still I remain hopeful. The NRA has announced that on Friday they will have proposals of their own. Maybe they will give in to the 74% of their membership who support my ideas on this. Guess we'll see.Actually, you kind of did miss his point. His point is that limiting capacity on magazines wouldn't do any good because even an untrained 60 year old grandmother can change two clips and still shoot 30 bullets in a minutely with reasonable accuracy.That said, I agree that limiting capacity might do some good, but certainly not unless you make it retroactive, and even then...
Borat
Footballguy
I apologize if I have misrepresented your views. Admittedly, I did not take the time to read the entire ~60 pages of this thread.No I don't. In fact, I have argued against this.You personally (along with others in this thread) seem to feel strongly that AR sales need to be restricted. I get the impression that you will push your elected officials to go along with this.But customers are "paranoid" for thinking this might actually come to fruition? Hmmm.
Schlzm
Footballguy
Who is saying it will be accidental? Everyone knows guns immediately turn you into a crazed unstoppable killing machine. This will be Thunderdome with real THUNDER BABY! Who needs religion to make the rivers run red with blood when I have a 600 round belt fed 10 guage shotgun attached to a chainsaw-flamethrower!Schlzm
