***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (3 Viewers)

[Mr Two Cents]

Would-Be Burglar Shot To Death In Home.

State Police said a would-be burglar was shot to death after breaking into a home in the Gordon community of Letcher County. State Police said no charges were filed against the home owner.

Retired trooper shoots intruder in Bluffton home.

A retired state Highway Patrol officer shot an intruder who entered his home in greater Bluffton at 2 a.m. this morning, according to the Beaufort County Sheriff’s Office. The intruder was in the main entry hall and was pronounced dead at the scene, a news release said.

Intruder Fatally Shot by Homeowner.

A Cleveland man, sleeping on his couch, woke up to sounds of someone breaking into his back door. He told police he grabbed a handgun and when he went to check it out, he found himself face to face with an intruder inside his house holding a knife. He fired one shot. The intruder ran through the back door and made it to the driveway where he collapsed and died.

Oklahoma woman fires shot, scares off burglar.

An Oklahoma woman scared off a stranger who was trying to enter her home Wednesday morning by firing a shot at him with a handgun.

Homeowner shoots intruder on Detroit’s west side.

Detroit police are searching for an intruder who was shot during a break-in on the city’s west side.

Everett man fires shot at burglar.

Police say an Everett man caught a burglar in his detached garage early Monday and fired a shot in a confrontation.



Florida Homeowner Forced to Shoot Attacker After Friend is ‘Shocked’ with Stun Gun, Beaten.

A Holly Hill, Florida homeowner was forced to open fire when two men attacked his friend and proceeded to enter the house in an attempted robbery Saturday around 10 p.m. The incident left one of the two men dead and the other on the run.

Homeowner Shoots Alleged Burglar.

An alleged robber is recovering after police say he was shot by the owner of a home he broke into.

Handgun carrier shoots suspects.

A man licensed to carry a gun shoots two men attempting to rob him at a motel Friday evening.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

How many do you want, I can give you a lot more.

Woman shoots 17-year-old who broke into house, tried to stab her.

A 17-year-old learned the hard way that breaking into houses is a pretty bad idea after police say a woman he attempted to stab during a home-invasion in Northeast Philadelphia shot him early Saturday morning. The woman will not be charged in the incident, as she acted in self-defense, authorities said.

Store robbery on North Broadway ends with clerk fatally shooting suspect.

A robbery of a convenience store along North Broadway ended Thursday evening when a store clerk shot and fatally wounded one of two robbery suspects, Wichita police said.

HPD: Robber shot dead after victim pulls out gun, opens fire

A man fatally shot a suspect and injured another during an attempted robbery in a west Houston parking lot late Tuesday, police said. “One of the complainants or victims had a Concealed Handgun License. He was able to obtain his pistol and defend himself and his friend.”



Baby Held at Gunpoint in Stamford Home Invasion

Police say a baby was held at gunpoint in a home invasion in Stamford and two suspects have been arrested. Police say the unidentified resident was beaten by three armed men who then searched the apartment and forced him, his wife, 4-month old baby and two friends to get onto the floor.

Home Invasion and Shots Fired

Reports of a home invasion with shots fired on Erie’s east side have police looking for the suspects this morning. According to Erie police, three known men entered the residence, at least one had a handgun.

Shots Fired During Home Invasion

Police say three masked men armed with guns and knives broke down the door to an apartment above the Barter House store along East Loudon Avenue just before midnight. A man inside the apartment got into a scuffle with one of the men and suffered a minor cut to the hand. At some point, one of the suspects opened fire.



Child shot in attempted Sampson County home invasion

A 4-year-old Sampson County boy is on life support after being shot during an attempted home invasion Friday night. The 911 caller told Sampson County sheriff’s deputies that a man broke into the front door of the mobile home and attempted to force his way into a bedroom. When the man couldn’t gain entry, he opened fire striking the 4-year-old, according to the Sheriff’s Office.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun ban

News

Gallup

by: Gallup

Thursday, December 27, 2012

Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

 

[timschochet]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun banNewsGallupby: GallupThursday, December 27, 2012Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Great poll. I bet 99% of Americans are opposed to making football illegal.

 

[cobalt_27]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun banNewsGallupby: GallupThursday, December 27, 2012Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Dude, keep up. Stricter gun laws and restrictions to access <> gun ban.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun banNewsGallupby: GallupThursday, December 27, 2012Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Great poll. I bet 99% of Americans are opposed to making football illegal.

Did you by chance read the previous posts and also have you had the opportunity to read about the ban that Feinstein wants to pass?

 

[zDragon]

I think the last post was an extremely unfair shot. Gun owners are as horrified about what happened at Newtown as anyone else.

...And completely unwilling to make meaningful change.If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Don't stereotype all guns owners as not wanting to make any meaningful changes.

Problem is enough of you guys won't. Which is why the decision ultimately will be made for you. We're long past the point of "responsible gun owners" self-regulating. There is simply too much product and irresponsibility out there now for modest change. It will have to be drastic. And the sad part is it will take decades of enforcement to bring about a safer environment the crazy gun people have created. But we have to start somewhere, and that somewhere is going to begin very soon with taking some of your guns away.

Good luck with that. This is exactly why we have a bill of rights.

I don't think the bill of rights is going to be threatened here, just as it's never been threatened by laws that prohibit you from owning a missile launcher or RPG.Just be prepared to hand over your arsenal soon. It's long past due.

Exactly what are you proposing that people "hand over?" RPGs? Sure. Automatic weapons? Okay. Semi-automatic handguns? Good luck.Edit: Aside from the obvious legal challenges, there is approximately a 0% chance of anything "drastic" garnering 60 votes in the Senate and a majority in the House.

And this is a lot of the problem with gun control. Take bits and bits away until the gun owners themselves are saying that taking some things away is OK. Most of the cannons and guns used in the American Revolution were provided by private citizens. I'm sure that when they wrote the Bill of Rights, they had exactly this in mind.

George Mason argued the importance of the militia and right to bear arms by reminding his compatriots of England's efforts "to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them . . . by totally disusing and neglecting the militia." He also clarified that under prevailing practice the militia included all people, rich and poor. "Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." Because all were members of the militia, all enjoyed the right to individually bear arms to serve therein.[82][80]

The framers thought the personal right to bear arms to be a paramount right by which other rights could be protected. Therefore, writing after the ratification of the Constitution, but before the election of the first Congress, James Monroe included "the right to keep and bear arms" in a list of basic "human rights", which he proposed to be added to the Constitution.[83][80]

Patrick Henry, in the Virginia ratification convention June 5, 1788, argued for the dual rights to arms and resistance to oppression:

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.[84]

While both Monroe and Adams supported ratification of the Constitution, its most influential framer was James Madison. In Federalist No. 46, he confidently contrasted the federal government of the United States to the European kingdoms, which he contemptuously described as "afraid to trust the people with arms." He assured his fellow citizens that they need never fear their government because of "the advantage of being armed...."[85][80]

Would you anti-gun guys be for violating any of the other Amendments by force? Why guns and not freedom of speech or search and seizure? Why don't you guys crusade against any other rights provided the people? How about this? Think they won't try? Murder the motivating factor? Are guns the only avenue for murders?

It's my belief they will only support things that do not harm them. Let's say you could reduce 1/3 of the 37,000 traffic deaths a year by simply restricting the top speeds of all cars to 70mph. I really do not think you would get the same support as you would for limiting gun ownership.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun banNewsGallupby: GallupThursday, December 27, 2012Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Dude, keep up. Stricter gun laws and restrictions to access <> gun ban.

This is you also right?

Just be prepared to hand over your arsenal soon. It's long past due.

 

[cobalt_27]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun banNewsGallupby: GallupThursday, December 27, 2012Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Dude, keep up. Stricter gun laws and restrictions to access <> gun ban.

This is you also right?

Just be prepared to hand over your arsenal soon. It's long past due.

It is.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun banNewsGallupby: GallupThursday, December 27, 2012Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Dude, keep up. Stricter gun laws and restrictions to access <> gun ban.

This is you also right?

Just be prepared to hand over your arsenal soon. It's long past due.

It is.

And your extremism is why you are going to lose.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Why is there NEVER any feedback on these postings?

You all say it is "mythical", "paranoid" and these things don't happen to real people.

Clackamas mall shooter faced man with concealed weapon

Nick Meli is emotionally drained. The 22-year-old was at Clackamas Town Center with a friend and her baby when a masked man opened fire. The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter. ”As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them,” he said.

Two wounded in theater shooting

Two people were wounded late Sunday when gunfire erupted at a local movie theater, sending panicked moviegoers rushing to exits and ducking for cover, police and witnesses said. A lone suspect was in custody after being wounded by an unidentified law enforcement officer, a Bexar County Sheriff’s Office spokesman said.



Man pistol-whipped during home invasion

Police are searching for suspects in a late night armed home invasion in East Springfield. Just before midnight, either three or four Hispanic men broke into a house. They allegedly pistol whipped the man inside and stole cash, jewelry and video games.

One dead, one injured in Amarillo home invasion

Amarillo Police are investigating a homicide after one person was killed and one man was injured in a Wednesday night home invasion.

Armed home invasion reported in Havre de Grace

Police are investigating an armed home invasion in the Battery Village area early Thursday morning. Residents told police two men, both with handguns, forced their way into the home at about 1:19 a.m. through a back door. The suspects then demanded money while assaulting two adult victims.

Woman, 77, shoots at would-be burglar.

A 77-year-old grandmother says she used a gun to protect her home from a burglar. A man tossed a brick through the bedroom window of her northwest Atlanta home Wednesday afternoon. The man tried to crawl through her window. She saw no reason to yell or try to talk to the man, so she started shooting.

Homeowner shoots intruder near Mulvane.

A 31-year-old burglary suspect is listed in serious but stable condition after he was shot in the chest by a homeowner in rural Mulvane. It happened about 3:30 a.m. Wednesday.



Clerk shoots at knife-wielding robbery suspect in Brownsville.

A Brownsville man is behind bars after trying to rob a store where a clerk used a gun to defend himself.

 

[cobalt_27]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun banNewsGallupby: GallupThursday, December 27, 2012Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Dude, keep up. Stricter gun laws and restrictions to access <> gun ban.

This is you also right?

Just be prepared to hand over your arsenal soon. It's long past due.

It is.

And your extremism is why you are going to lose.

If by extremism you mean to say that I find the murder rate and other gun-related data in the USA to be completely unacceptable in the context of paranoid and delusional hobbyists, who would prefer the deaths of little boys and girls over the "right" to shoot soup cans in your hillbilly backyard. Yeah, I am in extreme support opposing the radical extremists who won't work to find sensible gun protection laws to reduce the horrifying tragedies brought on by the overwhelming presence of firearms in this society. Yeah, you could say I am extremely on the other side of this thing altogether.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Since 1997, over 427,000 people have died of a gunshot wound in the United States. Sounds like less than 1/2 of those were murder. So, how many are officer involved? Suicide? Over 165,000 were victims of homicide. During that same time period about 4600 Americans have died in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I'm not sure what the debate is here.

From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. Drowning is responsible for more deaths among children 1-4 than any other cause except congenital anomalies (birth defects).1 Among those 1-14, fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death behind motor vehicle crashes.1

Who is trying to restrict and limit swimming pool ownership? "It's for the children!"

 

[Cookiemonster]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun ban

News

Gallup

by: Gallup

Thursday, December 27, 2012

Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Dude, keep up. Stricter gun laws and restrictions to access <> gun ban.

This is you also right?

Just be prepared to hand over your arsenal soon. It's long past due.

It is.

And your extremism is why you are going to lose.

If by extremism you mean to say that I find the murder rate and other gun-related data in the USA to be completely unacceptable in the context of paranoid and delusional hobbyists, who would prefer the deaths of little boys and girls over the "right" to shoot soup cans in your hillbilly backyard. Yeah, I am in extreme support opposing the radical extremists who won't work to find sensible gun protection laws to reduce the horrifying tragedies brought on by the overwhelming presence of firearms in this society. Yeah, you could say I am extremely on the other side of this thing altogether.

My, my. You're not even this obnoxious in the Shark Pool, and I didn't like you in there either.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun banNewsGallupby: GallupThursday, December 27, 2012Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Dude, keep up. Stricter gun laws and restrictions to access <> gun ban.

This is you also right?

Just be prepared to hand over your arsenal soon. It's long past due.

It is.

And your extremism is why you are going to lose.

If by extremism you mean to say that I find the murder rate and other gun-related data in the USA to be completely unacceptable in the context of paranoid and delusional hobbyists, who would prefer the deaths of little boys and girls over the "right" to shoot soup cans in your hillbilly backyard. Yeah, I am in extreme support opposing the radical extremists who won't work to find sensible gun protection laws to reduce the horrifying tragedies brought on by the overwhelming presence of firearms in this society. Yeah, you could say I am extremely on the other side of this thing altogether.

How about those that defend their homes, families, friends and neighbors from the evil bastages you are talking about?Don't you find it ironic that those claiming having a photo ID to vote is too much to ask for are the same ones that demand registration, fingerprinting, photo ID to own a gun?

 

[cobalt_27]

Why is there NEVER any feedback on these postings?

Because you are missing the point. For every one of these, there are hundreds of other senseless tragedies brought on by the sheer availability of these firearms. Keep your guns, so long as the restrictions on use are made possible through strict licensing requirements, competency exams, application for purpose of use, and limitations on the types of firearms granted with each license. We would not take away all your guns. We would require proof that you can demonstrate competency to operate, limit the number and type sold on an individual basis, eradicate the gun shows, etc. These are reasonable prescriptions that will limit the sheer number of firearms available to the general public. It's a good start.

 

[Slingblade]

So...92 pages.

Anyone change their mind and jump to the other side?

Yeah..didn't think so.

 

[cobalt_27]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun ban

News

Gallup

by: Gallup

Thursday, December 27, 2012

Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Dude, keep up. Stricter gun laws and restrictions to access <> gun ban.

This is you also right?

Just be prepared to hand over your arsenal soon. It's long past due.

It is.

And your extremism is why you are going to lose.

If by extremism you mean to say that I find the murder rate and other gun-related data in the USA to be completely unacceptable in the context of paranoid and delusional hobbyists, who would prefer the deaths of little boys and girls over the "right" to shoot soup cans in your hillbilly backyard. Yeah, I am in extreme support opposing the radical extremists who won't work to find sensible gun protection laws to reduce the horrifying tragedies brought on by the overwhelming presence of firearms in this society. Yeah, you could say I am extremely on the other side of this thing altogether.

My, my. You're not even this obnoxious in the Shark Pool, and I didn't like you in there either.

Not surprising. Logic and reasoning aren't everyone's cup of tea. Sorry you've struggled with these obnoxious facts and data and all those inconvenient truths.

 

[cobalt_27]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun banNewsGallupby: GallupThursday, December 27, 2012Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Dude, keep up. Stricter gun laws and restrictions to access <> gun ban.

This is you also right?

Just be prepared to hand over your arsenal soon. It's long past due.

It is.

And your extremism is why you are going to lose.

If by extremism you mean to say that I find the murder rate and other gun-related data in the USA to be completely unacceptable in the context of paranoid and delusional hobbyists, who would prefer the deaths of little boys and girls over the "right" to shoot soup cans in your hillbilly backyard. Yeah, I am in extreme support opposing the radical extremists who won't work to find sensible gun protection laws to reduce the horrifying tragedies brought on by the overwhelming presence of firearms in this society. Yeah, you could say I am extremely on the other side of this thing altogether.

How about those that defend their homes, families, friends and neighbors from the evil bastages you are talking about?Don't you find it ironic that those claiming having a photo ID to vote is too much to ask for are the same ones that demand registration, fingerprinting, photo ID to own a gun?

Photo ID seems appropriate in both circumstances. I disagree with the left on this with voting. I find it ironic that the hillbilly NRA people don't want any ID restrictions on gun sales, but want them enforced on voting day. Therein lies the inconsistency.Guns kill people and serve no other purpose but for decoration. We require rigorous training and demonstration of competence to drive among applicants who wish to buy/use a vehicle. Even stricter guidelines are applied to motorcycles and semi trucks. Very easy application of these standards to gun owners. Again the goal is to model a sense of responsibility for gun owners who may think they are responsible, but clearly do not behave so. It may feel patronizing to you, but let's be honest, you should have lost these privileges long ago.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Why is there NEVER any feedback on these postings?

Because you are missing the point. For every one of these, there are hundreds of other senseless tragedies brought on by the sheer availability of these firearms. Keep your guns, so long as the restrictions on use are made possible through strict licensing requirements, competency exams, application for purpose of use, and limitations on the types of firearms granted with each license. We would not take away all your guns. We would require proof that you can demonstrate competency to operate, limit the number and type sold on an individual basis, eradicate the gun shows, etc. These are reasonable prescriptions that will limit the sheer number of firearms available to the general public. It's a good start.

Do you miss the point that most of these hundreds of senseless tragedies are perpetrated by thugs, criminals and mentally disturbed folks, not the 4 million people who's rights you are trying to destroy? Can you not see beyond your nose. You attack the real problem by proposing things that will not fix the problem and that most responsible law abiding gun owners would not ever even think of doing anyway.I know in Tim's crazy lopsided world he would not want my gun carrying self to be in his children's school but I can for sure tell you that there would have been a better chance at saving some of those killed had there been a concealed carry person on campus than having a helpless principle running in unarmed trying to save the children with air.GUN FREE ZONES are killing zones and are an attraction to those that want to do harm knowing that there is no one to stop them.

 

[cobalt_27]

Why is there NEVER any feedback on these postings?

Because you are missing the point. For every one of these, there are hundreds of other senseless tragedies brought on by the sheer availability of these firearms. Keep your guns, so long as the restrictions on use are made possible through strict licensing requirements, competency exams, application for purpose of use, and limitations on the types of firearms granted with each license. We would not take away all your guns. We would require proof that you can demonstrate competency to operate, limit the number and type sold on an individual basis, eradicate the gun shows, etc. These are reasonable prescriptions that will limit the sheer number of firearms available to the general public. It's a good start.

Do you miss the point that most of these hundreds of senseless tragedies are perpetrated by thugs, criminals and mentally disturbed folks, not the 4 million people who's rights you are trying to destroy? Can you not see beyond your nose. You attack the real problem by proposing things that will not fix the problem and that most responsible law abiding gun owners would not ever even think of doing anyway.I know in Tim's crazy lopsided world he would not want my gun carrying self to be in his children's school but I can for sure tell you that there would have been a better chance at saving some of those killed had there been a concealed carry person on campus than having a helpless principle running in unarmed trying to save the children with air.GUN FREE ZONES are killing zones and are an attraction to those that want to do harm knowing that there is no one to stop them.

Insane.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun banNewsGallupby: GallupThursday, December 27, 2012Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Dude, keep up. Stricter gun laws and restrictions to access <> gun ban.

This is you also right?

Just be prepared to hand over your arsenal soon. It's long past due.

It is.

And your extremism is why you are going to lose.

If by extremism you mean to say that I find the murder rate and other gun-related data in the USA to be completely unacceptable in the context of paranoid and delusional hobbyists, who would prefer the deaths of little boys and girls over the "right" to shoot soup cans in your hillbilly backyard. Yeah, I am in extreme support opposing the radical extremists who won't work to find sensible gun protection laws to reduce the horrifying tragedies brought on by the overwhelming presence of firearms in this society. Yeah, you could say I am extremely on the other side of this thing altogether.

How about those that defend their homes, families, friends and neighbors from the evil bastages you are talking about?Don't you find it ironic that those claiming having a photo ID to vote is too much to ask for are the same ones that demand registration, fingerprinting, photo ID to own a gun?

Photo ID seems appropriate in both circumstances. I disagree with the left on this with voting. I find it ironic that the hillbilly NRA people don't want any ID restrictions on gun sales, but want them enforced on voting day. Therein lies the inconsistency.Guns kill people and serve no other purpose but for decoration. We require rigorous training and demonstration of competence to drive among applicants who wish to buy/use a vehicle. Even stricter guidelines are applied to motorcycles and semi trucks. Very easy application of these standards to gun owners. Again the goal is to model a sense of responsibility for gun owners who may think they are responsible, but clearly do not behave so. It may feel patronizing to you, but let's be honest, you should have lost these privileges long ago.

I gave you 3 posts of purposes above but they mean nothing to you. I could add more but whats the point. People who refuse to defend themselves and not allow someone their constitutional right to defend themselves, their property or family don't care about those purposes. It is like they don't exist for you. The word logic flows easily off your tongue but it is only 5 letters to you and has no meaning because what you want and see is anything but logical.

 

[Slingblade]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun banNewsGallupby: GallupThursday, December 27, 2012Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Dude, keep up. Stricter gun laws and restrictions to access <> gun ban.

This is you also right?

Just be prepared to hand over your arsenal soon. It's long past due.

It is.

And your extremism is why you are going to lose.

If by extremism you mean to say that I find the murder rate and other gun-related data in the USA to be completely unacceptable in the context of paranoid and delusional hobbyists, who would prefer the deaths of little boys and girls over the "right" to shoot soup cans in your hillbilly backyard. Yeah, I am in extreme support opposing the radical extremists who won't work to find sensible gun protection laws to reduce the horrifying tragedies brought on by the overwhelming presence of firearms in this society. Yeah, you could say I am extremely on the other side of this thing altogether.

How about those that defend their homes, families, friends and neighbors from the evil bastages you are talking about?Don't you find it ironic that those claiming having a photo ID to vote is too much to ask for are the same ones that demand registration, fingerprinting, photo ID to own a gun?

Photo ID seems appropriate in both circumstances. I disagree with the left on this with voting. I find it ironic that the hillbilly NRA people don't want any ID restrictions on gun sales, but want them enforced on voting day. Therein lies the inconsistency.Guns kill people and serve no other purpose but for decoration. We require rigorous training and demonstration of competence to drive among applicants who wish to buy/use a vehicle. Even stricter guidelines are applied to motorcycles and semi trucks. Very easy application of these standards to gun owners. Again the goal is to model a sense of responsibility for gun owners who may think they are responsible, but clearly do not behave so. It may feel patronizing to you, but let's be honest, you should have lost these privileges long ago.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Why is there NEVER any feedback on these postings?

Because you are missing the point. For every one of these, there are hundreds of other senseless tragedies brought on by the sheer availability of these firearms. Keep your guns, so long as the restrictions on use are made possible through strict licensing requirements, competency exams, application for purpose of use, and limitations on the types of firearms granted with each license. We would not take away all your guns. We would require proof that you can demonstrate competency to operate, limit the number and type sold on an individual basis, eradicate the gun shows, etc. These are reasonable prescriptions that will limit the sheer number of firearms available to the general public. It's a good start.

Do you miss the point that most of these hundreds of senseless tragedies are perpetrated by thugs, criminals and mentally disturbed folks, not the 4 million people who's rights you are trying to destroy? Can you not see beyond your nose. You attack the real problem by proposing things that will not fix the problem and that most responsible law abiding gun owners would not ever even think of doing anyway.I know in Tim's crazy lopsided world he would not want my gun carrying self to be in his children's school but I can for sure tell you that there would have been a better chance at saving some of those killed had there been a concealed carry person on campus than having a helpless principle running in unarmed trying to save the children with air.GUN FREE ZONES are killing zones and are an attraction to those that want to do harm knowing that there is no one to stop them.

Insane.

No I would not call you insane but absolutely void of any knowledge about exactly who is committing these crimes. Do you think the violence in Chicago during the Christmas Holiday was perpetrated by the kind of people that you are arguing with in this thread. Do you have any idea how many people you pass by each and every day that are legally carrying a concealed weapon? You are attacking the symptom not the disease and your fixes are nothing more than band aids that criminals will not obey anyway. You are penny wise and pound foolish.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Photo ID seems appropriate in both circumstances. I disagree with the left on this with voting. I find it ironic that the hillbilly NRA people don't want any ID restrictions on gun sales, but want them enforced on voting day. Therein lies the inconsistency.Guns kill people and serve no other purpose but for decoration. We require rigorous training and demonstration of competence to drive among applicants who wish to buy/use a vehicle. Even stricter guidelines are applied to motorcycles and semi trucks. Very easy application of these standards to gun owners. Again the goal is to model a sense of responsibility for gun owners who may think they are responsible, but clearly do not behave so. It may feel patronizing to you, but let's be honest, you should have lost these privileges long ago.

You want to restrict my 2nd Amendment right. I want to restrict your 1st Amendment right. At least I can do something about it. Join the ranks of BGP, ImTheScientist, FavreCo and others on the ignore list. I don't mind debate, and even emotional puking now and then. You are offensive in nearly every post, and I hope it's schtick and not your true personality.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I gave you 3 posts of purposes above but they mean nothing to you. I could add more but whats the point. People who refuse to defend themselves and not allow someone their constitutional right to defend themselves, their property or family don't care about those purposes. It is like they don't exist for you. The word logic flows easily off your tongue but it is only 5 letters to you and has no meaning because what you want and see is anything but logical.

I want to defend myself with a nuke. Is that ok with you?

 

[Slingblade]

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/tempcontent/techPanelReport-docs/FullReport.pdf

On the Virginia Tech shooting...

The panel also considered whether the previous

federal Assault Weapons Act of 1994 that banned

15-round magazines would have made a difference in the April 16 incidents. The law lapsed

after 10 years, in October 2004, and had banned

clips or magazines with over 10 rounds. The

panel concluded that 10-round magazines that

were legal would have not made much difference

in the incident. Even pistols with rapid loaders

could have been about as deadly in this situation

 

[Slingblade]

I gave you 3 posts of purposes above but they mean nothing to you. I could add more but whats the point. People who refuse to defend themselves and not allow someone their constitutional right to defend themselves, their property or family don't care about those purposes. It is like they don't exist for you. The word logic flows easily off your tongue but it is only 5 letters to you and has no meaning because what you want and see is anything but logical.

I want to defend myself with a nuke. Is that ok with you?

This was beat to death and shot down pages ago...keep up #######.

 

[Mister CIA]

I gave you 3 posts of purposes above but they mean nothing to you. I could add more but whats the point. People who refuse to defend themselves and not allow someone their constitutional right to defend themselves, their property or family don't care about those purposes. It is like they don't exist for you. The word logic flows easily off your tongue but it is only 5 letters to you and has no meaning because what you want and see is anything but logical.

I want to defend myself with a nuke. Is that ok with you?

I can hit you in the nutz with my bazooka long before you trip the trigger on your nuke.... but that's besides the point. Ask me about my $15 drones.

 

[tommyGunZ]

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/tempcontent/techPanelReport-docs/FullReport.pdfOn the Virginia Tech shooting...

The panel also considered whether the previous federal Assault Weapons Act of 1994 that banned 15-round magazines would have made a difference in the April 16 incidents. The law lapsed after 10 years, in October 2004, and had banned clips or magazines with over 10 rounds. The panel concluded that 10-round magazines that were legal would have not made much difference in the incident. Even pistols with rapid loaders could have been about as deadly in this situation

Great point. Limiting magazines isn't enough. We need to go further.

 

[Henry Ford]

I'm willing to drop extra gun regulation if the far right is willing to sign off on single payer national healthcare, including and especially mental health care. Anyone else with me?

 

[Slingblade]

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/tempcontent/techPanelReport-docs/FullReport.pdfOn the Virginia Tech shooting...

The panel also considered whether the previous federal Assault Weapons Act of 1994 that banned 15-round magazines would have made a difference in the April 16 incidents. The law lapsed after 10 years, in October 2004, and had banned clips or magazines with over 10 rounds. The panel concluded that 10-round magazines that were legal would have not made much difference in the incident. Even pistols with rapid loaders could have been about as deadly in this situation

Great point. Limiting magazines isn't enough. We need to go further.

Let's just remove the second amendment right?Hell, let's go further...the whole bill of rights!Why not?

 

[tommyGunZ]

I'm willing to drop extra gun regulation if the far right is willing to sign off on single payer national healthcare, including and especially mental health care. Anyone else with me?

Now that would be a heck of a deal.

 

[Henry Ford]

I'm willing to drop extra gun regulation if the far right is willing to sign off on single payer national healthcare, including and especially mental health care. Anyone else with me?

Now that would be a heck of a deal.

Alright, Tommy's in.

 

[Henry Ford]

We all agree that one major problem is untreated illness, right? So let's get the free healthcare rolling.

 

[tommyGunZ]

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/tempcontent/techPanelReport-docs/FullReport.pdfOn the Virginia Tech shooting...

The panel also considered whether the previous federal Assault Weapons Act of 1994 that banned 15-round magazines would have made a difference in the April 16 incidents. The law lapsed after 10 years, in October 2004, and had banned clips or magazines with over 10 rounds. The panel concluded that 10-round magazines that were legal would have not made much difference in the incident. Even pistols with rapid loaders could have been about as deadly in this situation

Great point. Limiting magazines isn't enough. We need to go further.

Let's just remove the second amendment right?Hell, let's go further...the whole bill of rights!Why not?

You'll have to pry the 3rd from my cold dead hands.

 

[sporthenry]

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8929505

Story about guns being fired on NYE and ultimately hitting a guy and paralyzing him. On top of that,

He has had 40 brain surgeries over the years, and needs constant care, at an estimated cost, so far, of more than $20-million.

So it is now a cost that society as a whole has to take on.

 

[BassNBrew]

Overnight, sure. That's a political reality of any drastic change. But, it starts modest and moves up from there. But, I suspect it will move swiftly and with a sense of urgency that in 5-10 years, gun ownership will be severely restrictive and that the product availability will be substantially diminished.

Long term, I think you're right, but no way is this going to happen in 5-10 years. We just had 20 6/7 yr olds mowed down, and the pro-gun crowd is fighting an assault weapons ban. Nothing has changed.Sad as it is, it's going to take a much larger incident for people to wake up and demand change. Something like 2-3 teenagers mowing down a couple hundred kids in a mall or a high school might do it.

Would these be the same people doing this http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/27/3748672/two-killed-3-injured-in-us-74nc.htmlI guess a gun makes you deader than a car.

 

[BassNBrew]

I suspect it will move swiftly and with a sense of urgency that in 5-10 years, gun ownership will be severely restrictive and that the product availability will be substantially diminished.

What would make you think this? I haven't seen any polls that suggest public opinion is steadily moving in that direction.

Neither have I, but I haven't seen any reliable polling data yet, either. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, there weren't any such data when the move came about to restrict tobacco use 10-15 years ago, either. Through strong leadership, though, the culture has changed with cigarettes, and use has dropped considerably. Drastically. And, quite frankly, that's as it should be. Politicians sometimes need to lead, as opposed to taking polls all the time to figure out which way the wind is blowing. i choose to believe, and sincerely hope, that the tragedy of Sandy Hook is a catalyst for change in a way that other tragedies before this unfortunately failed. I might be wrong. It may be more of the same. But, I don't think so.

Ummm...cigarettes weren't banned. Education about they're danger was the primary reason for the drop. That and the gov't making huge profit from tobacco.

 

[BassNBrew]

We have 5% of the worlds population and 40% of the worlds guns. One thing the gunneys will NEVER acknowledge is that proliferation of guns is at least an extremely strong correlation with gun violence. This is taboo to them. Thats the point I just can't get over. We have 20 times more guns than any other society in the world and the problem is that we just don't have enough guns? Really? Come on man. It's ridiculous.

Keep in mind that we have more public land than most countries as well as farm land. Many of those guns are associated solely with hunting.

 

[sporthenry]

Overnight, sure. That's a political reality of any drastic change. But, it starts modest and moves up from there. But, I suspect it will move swiftly and with a sense of urgency that in 5-10 years, gun ownership will be severely restrictive and that the product availability will be substantially diminished.

Long term, I think you're right, but no way is this going to happen in 5-10 years. We just had 20 6/7 yr olds mowed down, and the pro-gun crowd is fighting an assault weapons ban. Nothing has changed.Sad as it is, it's going to take a much larger incident for people to wake up and demand change. Something like 2-3 teenagers mowing down a couple hundred kids in a mall or a high school might do it.

Would these be the same people doing this http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/27/3748672/two-killed-3-injured-in-us-74nc.htmlI guess a gun makes you deader than a car.

I can't believe we keep rehashing these same arguments. Probably why I checked out of this thread b/c it is literally having the same argument night by night, week by week. As others have said, the utility and benefit of cars seemingly outweigh the costs associated with them. But what utility do guns provide us? Not to mention the research going into making cars more safe. Research is currently being done for cars to drive themselves in the future. We are always trying to make cars less deadly. So what are we doing to make guns less deadly? If anything, it seems we are trying to make guns more lethal?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Overnight, sure. That's a political reality of any drastic change. But, it starts modest and moves up from there. But, I suspect it will move swiftly and with a sense of urgency that in 5-10 years, gun ownership will be severely restrictive and that the product availability will be substantially diminished.

Long term, I think you're right, but no way is this going to happen in 5-10 years. We just had 20 6/7 yr olds mowed down, and the pro-gun crowd is fighting an assault weapons ban. Nothing has changed.Sad as it is, it's going to take a much larger incident for people to wake up and demand change. Something like 2-3 teenagers mowing down a couple hundred kids in a mall or a high school might do it.

Would these be the same people doing this http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/27/3748672/two-killed-3-injured-in-us-74nc.htmlI guess a gun makes you deader than a car.

Cars provide lots of utility when used for the purpose for which they were created. Fatal accidents are an unfortunate side effect.Guns are created to terminate life. Other than terminating life (or threatening the same) they provide very little utility. Gun fatalities aren't accidents - they are the result when the gun is used exactly for the purpose for which it was created.

 

[BassNBrew]

Since 1997, over 427,000 people have died of a gunshot wound in the United States. Sounds like less than 1/2 of those were murder. So, how many are officer involved? Suicide? Over 165,000 were victims of homicide. During that same time period about 4600 Americans have died in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I'm not sure what the debate is here.

From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. Drowning is responsible for more deaths among children 1-4 than any other cause except congenital anomalies (birth defects).1 Among those 1-14, fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death behind motor vehicle crashes.1

Who is trying to restrict and limit swimming pool ownership? "It's for the children!"

Or ban alcohol...

 

[BassNBrew]

Overnight, sure. That's a political reality of any drastic change. But, it starts modest and moves up from there. But, I suspect it will move swiftly and with a sense of urgency that in 5-10 years, gun ownership will be severely restrictive and that the product availability will be substantially diminished.

Long term, I think you're right, but no way is this going to happen in 5-10 years. We just had 20 6/7 yr olds mowed down, and the pro-gun crowd is fighting an assault weapons ban. Nothing has changed.Sad as it is, it's going to take a much larger incident for people to wake up and demand change. Something like 2-3 teenagers mowing down a couple hundred kids in a mall or a high school might do it.

Would these be the same people doing this http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/27/3748672/two-killed-3-injured-in-us-74nc.htmlI guess a gun makes you deader than a car.

Cars provide lots of utility when used for the purpose for which they were created. Fatal accidents are an unfortunate side effect.Guns are created to terminate life. Other than terminating life (or threatening the same) they provide very little utility. Gun fatalities aren't accidents - they are the result when the gun is used exactly for the purpose for which it was created.

I was referring to the alcohol that led to drunk driving.

 

[Jackstraw]

Why is there NEVER any feedback on these postings?

You all say it is "mythical", "paranoid" and these things don't happen to real people.

Clackamas mall shooter faced man with concealed weapon

Nick Meli is emotionally drained. The 22-year-old was at Clackamas Town Center with a friend and her baby when a masked man opened fire. The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter. ”As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them,” he said.

Two wounded in theater shooting

Two people were wounded late Sunday when gunfire erupted at a local movie theater, sending panicked moviegoers rushing to exits and ducking for cover, police and witnesses said. A lone suspect was in custody after being wounded by an unidentified law enforcement officer, a Bexar County Sheriff’s Office spokesman said.



Man pistol-whipped during home invasion

Police are searching for suspects in a late night armed home invasion in East Springfield. Just before midnight, either three or four Hispanic men broke into a house. They allegedly pistol whipped the man inside and stole cash, jewelry and video games.

One dead, one injured in Amarillo home invasion

Amarillo Police are investigating a homicide after one person was killed and one man was injured in a Wednesday night home invasion.

Armed home invasion reported in Havre de Grace

Police are investigating an armed home invasion in the Battery Village area early Thursday morning. Residents told police two men, both with handguns, forced their way into the home at about 1:19 a.m. through a back door. The suspects then demanded money while assaulting two adult victims.

Woman, 77, shoots at would-be burglar.

A 77-year-old grandmother says she used a gun to protect her home from a burglar. A man tossed a brick through the bedroom window of her northwest Atlanta home Wednesday afternoon. The man tried to crawl through her window. She saw no reason to yell or try to talk to the man, so she started shooting.

Homeowner shoots intruder near Mulvane.

A 31-year-old burglary suspect is listed in serious but stable condition after he was shot in the chest by a homeowner in rural Mulvane. It happened about 3:30 a.m. Wednesday.



Clerk shoots at knife-wielding robbery suspect in Brownsville.

A Brownsville man is behind bars after trying to rob a store where a clerk used a gun to defend himself.

Statistical blip across 300 million people. for every one of these there are ten of a kid shooting himself in the face with dads gun.

 

[cobalt_27]

I suspect it will move swiftly and with a sense of urgency that in 5-10 years, gun ownership will be severely restrictive and that the product availability will be substantially diminished.

What would make you think this? I haven't seen any polls that suggest public opinion is steadily moving in that direction.

Neither have I, but I haven't seen any reliable polling data yet, either. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, there weren't any such data when the move came about to restrict tobacco use 10-15 years ago, either. Through strong leadership, though, the culture has changed with cigarettes, and use has dropped considerably. Drastically. And, quite frankly, that's as it should be. Politicians sometimes need to lead, as opposed to taking polls all the time to figure out which way the wind is blowing. i choose to believe, and sincerely hope, that the tragedy of Sandy Hook is a catalyst for change in a way that other tragedies before this unfortunately failed. I might be wrong. It may be more of the same. But, I don't think so.

Ummm...cigarettes weren't banned. Education about they're danger was the primary reason for the drop. That and the gov't making huge profit from tobacco.

Exactly. Same can and should be done with guns.I know you NRA people really don't want to hear it, but nobody is calling for a ban on your handgun. The arsenals of assault rifles, semi-automatic guns, among others are very concerning and shouldn't be owned by anyone without a super awesome reason. But a ban on handguns is not the debate. In fact, the title of this thread is in relation to gun control. Part of that is removing certain weapons. Part of that is getting rid of the gun shows and hobby element. Part of it is education. Part of it is taxation to help support a buy back program. There are a lot of things that likely will go into this. A ban on your handgun is not one of them.

 

[Uwe Blab]

Why is there NEVER any feedback on these postings?

You all say it is "mythical", "paranoid" and these things don't happen to real people.

Clackamas mall shooter faced man with concealed weapon

Nick Meli is emotionally drained. The 22-year-old was at Clackamas Town Center with a friend and her baby when a masked man opened fire. The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter. ”As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them,” he said.

Two wounded in theater shooting

Two people were wounded late Sunday when gunfire erupted at a local movie theater, sending panicked moviegoers rushing to exits and ducking for cover, police and witnesses said. A lone suspect was in custody after being wounded by an unidentified law enforcement officer, a Bexar County Sheriff’s Office spokesman said.



Man pistol-whipped during home invasion

Police are searching for suspects in a late night armed home invasion in East Springfield. Just before midnight, either three or four Hispanic men broke into a house. They allegedly pistol whipped the man inside and stole cash, jewelry and video games.

One dead, one injured in Amarillo home invasion

Amarillo Police are investigating a homicide after one person was killed and one man was injured in a Wednesday night home invasion.

Armed home invasion reported in Havre de Grace

Police are investigating an armed home invasion in the Battery Village area early Thursday morning. Residents told police two men, both with handguns, forced their way into the home at about 1:19 a.m. through a back door. The suspects then demanded money while assaulting two adult victims.

Woman, 77, shoots at would-be burglar.

A 77-year-old grandmother says she used a gun to protect her home from a burglar. A man tossed a brick through the bedroom window of her northwest Atlanta home Wednesday afternoon. The man tried to crawl through her window. She saw no reason to yell or try to talk to the man, so she started shooting.

Homeowner shoots intruder near Mulvane.

A 31-year-old burglary suspect is listed in serious but stable condition after he was shot in the chest by a homeowner in rural Mulvane. It happened about 3:30 a.m. Wednesday.



Clerk shoots at knife-wielding robbery suspect in Brownsville.

A Brownsville man is behind bars after trying to rob a store where a clerk used a gun to defend himself.

Statistical blip across 300 million people. for every one of these there are ten of a kid shooting himself in the face with dads gun.

I still can't get over this guy answers his door with a loaded gun behind his back...just in case. People are just busting balls about living in fear, but this guy is literally wetting his pants when a kid knocks on his door for a fundraiser.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun ban

News

Gallup

by: Gallup

Thursday, December 27, 2012

Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Great poll. I bet 99% of Americans are opposed to making football illegal.

Here's a link to the full poll.Looking at it as a whole, it seems to confirm my earlier belief that nothing significant will happen with firearm legislation any time soon. The only two issues where there seems to be some public support are closing the "gun show loophole" and banning high-capacity magazines. But the gun show loophole thing also polled well 13 years ago and there was no legislation then, so I wouldn't even be confident about that one.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Gallup: Record 74 percent oppose handgun ban

News

Gallup

by: Gallup

Thursday, December 27, 2012

Despite Americans' willingness to strengthen gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook and other deadly mass shootings, Gallup finds public opposition to a broad ban on the possession of handguns at a record-high 74%. Conversely, the 24% in favor is the lowest recorded since Gallup first asked the question in 1959.

Great poll. I bet 99% of Americans are opposed to making football illegal.

Here's a link to the full poll.Looking at it as a whole, it seems to confirm my earlier belief that nothing significant will happen with firearm legislation any time soon. The only two issues where there seems to be some public support are closing the "gun show loophole" and banning high-capacity magazines. But the gun show loophole thing also polled well 13 years ago and there was no legislation then, so I wouldn't even be confident about that one.

This is because the anti-gun extremists in this thread are not representative of the majority of people in America. Most Americans are intelligent enough to understand Americans have a right to defend themselves, especially during violent times like today. Most Americans understand semi-automatic technology has been around a hundred years and is integrated into guns that are used a helluva lot more for hunting, self-defense, and recreational and competitive target shooting than they are for violent crimes. Most Americans understand that statistics show CCW permits negatively impact gun violence by as much as 43%11Sources (using 2004 data, the top 50% of states with the most CCW permits compared to the bottom half of states with the fewest CCW permits comparing murder rates by state):

http://blogostuff.blogspot.com/2004/12/percentage-of-adults-with-carry.html

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state

I don't have ccw data for 2011, but assuming the distribution of states are the same it is still a 38% decrease comparing the same division of states using 2011 murder rates by state.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Most Americans are intelligent

Not sure about this part.