***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (4 Viewers)

[Novice2]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see. In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

You have posted 790 times in this thread, which is much more than anyone. I'd say you care a lot.

where does one go to find this info? Explain it to me like I'm a toothless tea party hick with 100 assault weapons. Tia.

 

[drfeelgood]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see. In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

You have posted 790 times in this thread, which is much more than anyone. I'd say you care a lot.

where does one go to find this info? Explain it to me like I'm a toothless tea party hick with 100 assault weapons. Tia.

View the front of the message board, and when you see the title of this thread look over to the right, and you will see HOT 8,702 replies. Click on 8,702 replies, and it tells you who has how many posts.

 

[ichris]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see. In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

You have posted 790 times in this thread, which is much more than anyone. I'd say you care a lot.

where does one go to find this info? Explain it to me like I'm a toothless tea party hick with 100 assault weapons. Tia.

How do those sour grapes taste?

 

[Novice2]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see. In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

You have posted 790 times in this thread, which is much more than anyone. I'd say you care a lot.

where does one go to find this info? Explain it to me like I'm a toothless tea party hick with 100 assault weapons. Tia.

View the front of the message board, and when you see the title of this thread look over to the right, and you will see HOT 8,702 replies. Click on 8,702 replies, and it tells you who has how many posts.

Ty.

 

[Novice2]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see. In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

You have posted 790 times in this thread, which is much more than anyone. I'd say you care a lot.

where does one go to find this info? Explain it to me like I'm a toothless tea party hick with 100 assault weapons. Tia.

How do those sour grapes taste?

sour.

 

[greenroom]

The debate is over now. Reasonable minds concluded we don't need any new gun laws. The ones on the books will suffice when they are enforced.

If you want to be constructive start asking local law enforcement officials to prosecute criminals who illegally try to buy guns by lying on the form 4473.

Yes the gun laws we have work so well. So glad that the lobbyist have control of this country, and will not allow background checks to be completed at Gun Shows and online. Boy that sure takes away your rights to own guns.

 

[timschochet]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

yeah, I see a lot of posts on FB pointing out the politicians who voted against it. I'm disappointed that it didn't pass but I'm not going to contact my representative to complain and it won't affect my voting. It really wasn't that big of a deal imo, it would have helped, but it highlights the sad state of affairs that Congress can't even agree to this. So dysfunctional.

And see, this is how pluralism works. There were a lot more of us in favor of this than there were against it. Maybe it's not 90%, that number is being disputed, but it's certainly a wide majority. But most of us feel the same as you do: we're for it, but it's not that big a deal. Certainly not enough for most of us to affect our vote.

But for the other side, it's a HUGE deal. And they will vote based on this. So even though they represent a minority, they get their way.

 

[Hoosier16]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

Most people feel the same way.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Just posting a link how 42 of 45 senators who voted it down received money from gun lobbyists

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/18/pro-gun-groups-donated-senators

 

[ichris]

Just posting a link how 42 of 45 senators who voted it down received money from gun lobbyists

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/18/pro-gun-groups-donated-senators

I donated money to the gun lobby. Glad to see it went to good use.

 

[tommyGunZ]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

yeah, I see a lot of posts on FB pointing out the politicians who voted against it. I'm disappointed that it didn't pass but I'm not going to contact my representative to complain and it won't affect my voting. It really wasn't that big of a deal imo, it would have helped, but it highlights the sad state of affairs that Congress can't even agree to this. So dysfunctional.

And see, this is how pluralism works. There were a lot more of us in favor of this than there were against it. Maybe it's not 90%, that number is being disputed, but it's certainly a wide majority. But most of us feel the same as you do: we're for it, but it's not that big a deal. Certainly not enough for most of us to affect our vote.

But for the other side, it's a HUGE deal. And they will vote based on this. So even though they represent a minority, they get their way.

Bold is EXACTLY why this bill got filibustered. The politicians voting against cloture knew that there were no ramifications for their vote, so why not pander to your contributors (NRA) and the idiotic fringe (10%) who oppose this no-brainer legislation?

That should be enough for you to re-evaluate your decision to support these clowns.

 

[apalmer]

The debate is over now. Reasonable minds concluded we don't need any new gun laws. The ones on the books will suffice when they are enforced.

If you want to be constructive start asking local law enforcement officials to prosecute criminals who illegally try to buy guns by lying on the form 4473.

Just out of sheer curiosity, are those the same reasonable minds that decided we needed universal healthcare, ending all debate on that issue?

 

[ichris]

The debate is over now. Reasonable minds concluded we don't need any new gun laws. The ones on the books will suffice when they are enforced.

If you want to be constructive start asking local law enforcement officials to prosecute criminals who illegally try to buy guns by lying on the form 4473.

Just out of sheer curiosity, are those the same reasonable minds that decided we needed universal healthcare, ending all debate on that issue?

We don't have universal healthcare.

 

[Christo]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

yeah, I see a lot of posts on FB pointing out the politicians who voted against it. I'm disappointed that it didn't pass but I'm not going to contact my representative to complain and it won't affect my voting. It really wasn't that big of a deal imo, it would have helped, but it highlights the sad state of affairs that Congress can't even agree to this. So dysfunctional.

And see, this is how pluralism works. There were a lot more of us in favor of this than there were against it. Maybe it's not 90%, that number is being disputed, but it's certainly a wide majority. But most of us feel the same as you do: we're for it, but it's not that big a deal. Certainly not enough for most of us to affect our vote.

But for the other side, it's a HUGE deal. And they will vote based on this. So even though they represent a minority, they get their way.

Bold is EXACTLY why this bill got filibustered. The politicians voting against cloture knew that there were no ramifications for their vote, so why not pander to your contributors (NRA) and the idiotic fringe (10%) who oppose this no-brainer legislation?

That should be enough for you to re-evaluate your decision to support these clowns.

Why do we keep going back to this 90% figure like it means anything? 90% favorable but not willing to act it isn't as powerful as 10% unfavorable but willing to act. The "will of the people" only means something if those people are willing to do something about it.

 

[tommyGunZ]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

yeah, I see a lot of posts on FB pointing out the politicians who voted against it. I'm disappointed that it didn't pass but I'm not going to contact my representative to complain and it won't affect my voting. It really wasn't that big of a deal imo, it would have helped, but it highlights the sad state of affairs that Congress can't even agree to this. So dysfunctional.

And see, this is how pluralism works. There were a lot more of us in favor of this than there were against it. Maybe it's not 90%, that number is being disputed, but it's certainly a wide majority. But most of us feel the same as you do: we're for it, but it's not that big a deal. Certainly not enough for most of us to affect our vote.

But for the other side, it's a HUGE deal. And they will vote based on this. So even though they represent a minority, they get their way.

Bold is EXACTLY why this bill got filibustered. The politicians voting against cloture knew that there were no ramifications for their vote, so why not pander to your contributors (NRA) and the idiotic fringe (10%) who oppose this no-brainer legislation?

That should be enough for you to re-evaluate your decision to support these clowns.

Why do we keep going back to this 90% figure like it means anything? 90% favorable but not willing to act it isn't as powerful as 10% unfavorable but willing to act. The "will of the people" only means something if those people are willing to do something about it.

B/c 90% consensus on an issue is extremely rare these days. And when you get 90% consensus from the people on a bill, yet can't even break a filibuster, it highlights how broken the system is.

This is the poster child for the need for filibuster reform.

 

[[icon]]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

You have posted 790 times in this thread, which is much more than anyone. I'd say you care a lot.

 

[ichris]

B/c 90% consensus on an issue is extremely rare these days. And when you get 90% consensus from the people on a bill, yet can't even break a filibuster, it highlights how broken the system is.

This is the poster child for the need for filibuster reform.

Lol, the Senate busted the filibuster.

 

[Christo]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

yeah, I see a lot of posts on FB pointing out the politicians who voted against it. I'm disappointed that it didn't pass but I'm not going to contact my representative to complain and it won't affect my voting. It really wasn't that big of a deal imo, it would have helped, but it highlights the sad state of affairs that Congress can't even agree to this. So dysfunctional.

And see, this is how pluralism works. There were a lot more of us in favor of this than there were against it. Maybe it's not 90%, that number is being disputed, but it's certainly a wide majority. But most of us feel the same as you do: we're for it, but it's not that big a deal. Certainly not enough for most of us to affect our vote.

But for the other side, it's a HUGE deal. And they will vote based on this. So even though they represent a minority, they get their way.

Bold is EXACTLY why this bill got filibustered. The politicians voting against cloture knew that there were no ramifications for their vote, so why not pander to your contributors (NRA) and the idiotic fringe (10%) who oppose this no-brainer legislation?

That should be enough for you to re-evaluate your decision to support these clowns.

Why do we keep going back to this 90% figure like it means anything? 90% favorable but not willing to act it isn't as powerful as 10% unfavorable but willing to act. The "will of the people" only means something if those people are willing to do something about it.

B/c 90% consensus on an issue is extremely rare these days. And when you get 90% consensus from the people on a bill, yet can't even break a filibuster, it highlights how broken the system is.

This is the poster child for the need for filibuster reform.

No, it doesn't highlight how broken the system is. It highlights the will of the 90% on this issue.

 

[timschochet]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

yeah, I see a lot of posts on FB pointing out the politicians who voted against it. I'm disappointed that it didn't pass but I'm not going to contact my representative to complain and it won't affect my voting. It really wasn't that big of a deal imo, it would have helped, but it highlights the sad state of affairs that Congress can't even agree to this. So dysfunctional.

And see, this is how pluralism works. There were a lot more of us in favor of this than there were against it. Maybe it's not 90%, that number is being disputed, but it's certainly a wide majority. But most of us feel the same as you do: we're for it, but it's not that big a deal. Certainly not enough for most of us to affect our vote.

But for the other side, it's a HUGE deal. And they will vote based on this. So even though they represent a minority, they get their way.

Bold is EXACTLY why this bill got filibustered. The politicians voting against cloture knew that there were no ramifications for their vote, so why not pander to your contributors (NRA) and the idiotic fringe (10%) who oppose this no-brainer legislation?

That should be enough for you to re-evaluate your decision to support these clowns.

For me, the issues I care most about are, in order:

1. Free trade

2. Open immigration

3. cutting corporate tax rates and removing loopholes

4. climate change

5. social issues (mostly gay marriage and protecting abortion rights)

6. continued support for Israel

Sorry, but moderate gun control measures are way down the list. I certainly enjoy discussing it, (as demonstrated here!) and it's an added bonus if the candidates I support are in favor, but that's about it. It's not a primary issue for me.

 

[Dvorak]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

yeah, I see a lot of posts on FB pointing out the politicians who voted against it. I'm disappointed that it didn't pass but I'm not going to contact my representative to complain and it won't affect my voting. It really wasn't that big of a deal imo, it would have helped, but it highlights the sad state of affairs that Congress can't even agree to this. So dysfunctional.

And see, this is how pluralism works. There were a lot more of us in favor of this than there were against it. Maybe it's not 90%, that number is being disputed, but it's certainly a wide majority. But most of us feel the same as you do: we're for it, but it's not that big a deal. Certainly not enough for most of us to affect our vote.

But for the other side, it's a HUGE deal. And they will vote based on this. So even though they represent a minority, they get their way.

Bold is EXACTLY why this bill got filibustered. The politicians voting against cloture knew that there were no ramifications for their vote, so why not pander to your contributors (NRA) and the idiotic fringe (10%) who oppose this no-brainer legislation?

That should be enough for you to re-evaluate your decision to support these clowns.

Why do we keep going back to this 90% figure like it means anything? 90% favorable but not willing to act it isn't as powerful as 10% unfavorable but willing to act. The "will of the people" only means something if those people are willing to do something about it.

B/c 90% consensus on an issue is extremely rare these days. And when you get 90% consensus from the people on a bill, yet can't even break a filibuster, it highlights how broken the system is.

This is the poster child for the need for filibuster reform.

No, it doesn't highlight how broken the system is. It highlights the will of the 90% on this issue.

The 90% is not a real statistic and Obama knows it. His disciples parrot it like it is the gospel.

Here is the exact question asked on that pollo you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?Pretty misleading. Is it asking if you support the background checks already in place? Because the way it is worded, it does not take into account that we already do background checks for all buyers, when bought from a dealer. It does not address private party sales specifically, nor gifts, nor the major contention that without a national gun registry, there is no way to enforce this.By choosing "support" your answer could mean just keep the system we already have in place. "Oppose" could mean remove what we already have.Ask a leading question, get a leading answer. Stupid & BS.Here's what the don't tell you. FROM THE SAME DAMN POLLo you support or oppose stricter gun control laws in the United States?Ah-ha! If 90% want these "expanded background checks" as Obama et al. proclaim, this number would have to be at least 90% support, right!? Well, it isn't. It is only 52%. Pretty close (in fact, lower) than the way the vote turned out yesterday. This alone outright proves they are lying about their 90% support. Say whatever you want about the validity of this poll. If someone says it is valid and they go on spouting off on the 90% number means we need more gun control and ignoring the 52% number, they are lying to your face. You cannot claim one poll question is valid and another is not.Another question, again same poll:Who do you think better reflects your views on guns, President Obama or the National Rifle Association?Guess what, this one goes 43% Obama, 46% NRA. So when Obama talks about senators bowing to the views of the NRA "minority", he is lying his ### off.

 

[tommyGunZ]

The 90% is not a real statistic and Obama knows it. His disciples parrot it like it is the gospel.

Here is the exact question asked on that pollo you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?Pretty misleading. Is it asking if you support the background checks already in place? Because the way it is worded, it does not take into account that we already do background checks for all buyers, when bought from a dealer. It does not address private party sales specifically, nor gifts, nor the major contention that without a national gun registry, there is no way to enforce this.By choosing "support" your answer could mean just keep the system we already have in place.

I think you're confused by the word "all". The current system in place does NOT require background checks for "all" buyers, so choosing "support" would not mean that one wants to keep the current system in place.

 

[timschochet]

The 90% is not a real statistic and Obama knows it. His disciples parrot it like it is the gospel.

Here is the exact question asked on that pollo you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?Pretty misleading. Is it asking if you support the background checks already in place? Because the way it is worded, it does not take into account that we already do background checks for all buyers, when bought from a dealer. It does not address private party sales specifically, nor gifts, nor the major contention that without a national gun registry, there is no way to enforce this.By choosing "support" your answer could mean just keep the system we already have in place.

I think you're confused by the word "all". The current system in place does NOT require background checks for "all" buyers, so choosing "support" would not mean that one wants to keep the current system in place.

Talk about misleading.

Sorry Dvorak, you and the others can play all the mental gymnastics you want. The question couldn't have been made any clearer. The public answered it, heavily, on the side of the universal background checks.

The true facts are that the general public wasn't even aware that there was any loophole for private sales. Now that they have become aware they have insisted, in numbers unrivaled on any other issue you could name, that this loophole be removed. Yet the Senate wouldn't do it, because they were afraid of the paranoid followers of the NRA.

 

[Christo]

The 90% is not a real statistic and Obama knows it. His disciples parrot it like it is the gospel.

Here is the exact question asked on that pollo you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?Pretty misleading. Is it asking if you support the background checks already in place? Because the way it is worded, it does not take into account that we already do background checks for all buyers, when bought from a dealer. It does not address private party sales specifically, nor gifts, nor the major contention that without a national gun registry, there is no way to enforce this.By choosing "support" your answer could mean just keep the system we already have in place.

I think you're confused by the word "all". The current system in place does NOT require background checks for "all" buyers, so choosing "support" would not mean that one wants to keep the current system in place.

Talk about misleading.

Sorry Dvorak, you and the others can play all the mental gymnastics you want. The question couldn't have been made any clearer. The public answered it, heavily, on the side of the universal background checks.

The true facts are that the general public wasn't even aware that there was any loophole for private sales. Now that they have become aware they have insisted, in numbers unrivaled on any other issue you could name, that this loophole be removed. Yet the Senate wouldn't do it, because they were afraid of the paranoid followers of the NRA.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

yeah, I see a lot of posts on FB pointing out the politicians who voted against it. I'm disappointed that it didn't pass but I'm not going to contact my representative to complain and it won't affect my voting. It really wasn't that big of a deal imo, it would have helped, but it highlights the sad state of affairs that Congress can't even agree to this. So dysfunctional.

And see, this is how pluralism works. There were a lot more of us in favor of this than there were against it. Maybe it's not 90%, that number is being disputed, but it's certainly a wide majority. But most of us feel the same as you do: we're for it, but it's not that big a deal. Certainly not enough for most of us to affect our vote.

But for the other side, it's a HUGE deal. And they will vote based on this. So even though they represent a minority, they get their way.

Bold is EXACTLY why this bill got filibustered. The politicians voting against cloture knew that there were no ramifications for their vote, so why not pander to your contributors (NRA) and the idiotic fringe (10%) who oppose this no-brainer legislation?

That should be enough for you to re-evaluate your decision to support these clowns.

This # has been dis-proven.. Why do you 'I hate people who like the second amendment' folks keep this up?

 

[Heatman]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

yeah, I see a lot of posts on FB pointing out the politicians who voted against it. I'm disappointed that it didn't pass but I'm not going to contact my representative to complain and it won't affect my voting. It really wasn't that big of a deal imo, it would have helped, but it highlights the sad state of affairs that Congress can't even agree to this. So dysfunctional.

And see, this is how pluralism works. There were a lot more of us in favor of this than there were against it. Maybe it's not 90%, that number is being disputed, but it's certainly a wide majority. But most of us feel the same as you do: we're for it, but it's not that big a deal. Certainly not enough for most of us to affect our vote.

But for the other side, it's a HUGE deal. And they will vote based on this. So even though they represent a minority, they get their way.

Bold is EXACTLY why this bill got filibustered. The politicians voting against cloture knew that there were no ramifications for their vote, so why not pander to your contributors (NRA) and the idiotic fringe (10%) who oppose this no-brainer legislation?

That should be enough for you to re-evaluate your decision to support these clowns.

This # has been dis-proven.. Why do you 'I hate people who like the second amendment' folks keep this up?

Yep. It's amazing how many people believe everything the media tells them.

Hey gun control people. Please post some statistics that show more gun control laws actually decreasing gun violence. Until then you have no case.

 

[tommyboy]

Once again. 2nd amendment wins. Leftists are stupid on this issue, especially now with our economy, tons of people out of work and terrorism and the war in Afghanistan still going on.

 

[mad sweeney]

I wonder how many anti-gun nuts are eagerly awaiting the next mass murder so they can jump up and down and say "haha! I told you so!"

That would be almost as idiotic as the gun nuts who profess sympathy immediately after every mass shooting yet then oppose any changes to prevent future tragedies.

Nothing in the bill would have prevented previous or future tragedies

You absolutely cannot claim that it won't help in the future. And you can't say it wouldn't prevent any of the thousands of murders every year. That's an unsupportable statement. It may be negligible, but it would have, or would have had in the past, an effect.

What? One of the leaders of your own party says it won't help. Did you miss this post?

I'm not a democrat, nor do I blindly agree with everyone on the left just because they're on the left. I'll leave that to guys like you while I form my own opinions.eta- congratulations on joining Pitts in the back of the short bus while you find countless examples that disprove statements or positions that I haven't actually argued or stated. There have been over 3000 gun murders since Sandy Hook (which again, for the mentally challenged, wasn't something I said would be affected), there will be thousands more by year's end. The idea that none of those would have been prevented by this bill is as stupid and blindly partisan as if someone said that all of them would be prevented by the bill. Furthermore, there's no real democrat with power that I disagree with more than Feinstein. I've never voted for her, she doesn't speak or act for me, she's a detriment to progress.

Now back to licking your window, Jr.

 

[mad sweeney]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see. In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

yeah, I see a lot of posts on FB pointing out the politicians who voted against it. I'm disappointed that it didn't pass but I'm not going to contact my representative to complain and it won't affect my voting. It really wasn't that big of a deal imo, it would have helped, but it highlights the sad state of affairs that Congress can't even agree to this. So dysfunctional.

And see, this is how pluralism works. There were a lot more of us in favor of this than there were against it. Maybe it's not 90%, that number is being disputed, but it's certainly a wide majority. But most of us feel the same as you do: we're for it, but it's not that big a deal. Certainly not enough for most of us to affect our vote. But for the other side, it's a HUGE deal. And they will vote based on this. So even though they represent a minority, they get their way.

Bold is EXACTLY why this bill got filibustered. The politicians voting against cloture knew that there were no ramifications for their vote, so why not pander to your contributors (NRA) and the idiotic fringe (10%) who oppose this no-brainer legislation? That should be enough for you to re-evaluate your decision to support these clowns.

This # has been dis-proven.. Why do you 'I hate people who like the second amendment' folks keep this up?

You can't even prove yourself right despite trash talking about how easy it is. Why do the "I am all talk and no spine" folks keep posting?

 

[tommyboy]

Not sure where the 90% lie got started but the most recent cbs poll showed support for gun control slipping

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=politics&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576248/poll-support-for-stricter-gun-control-wanes/&catid=57576248

 

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Gun control working fantastic in Boston right now :(

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Not sure where the 90% lie got started but the most recent cbs poll showed support for gun control slipping

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=politics&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576248/poll-support-for-stricter-gun-control-wanes/&catid=57576248

I know were it was well used..

 

[Novice2]

Gun control working fantastic in Boston right now :(

I don't get this. I'm not sure i want to be shooting a guy in my house that may have a bomb strapped to him. Gunfire explosions going off on Fox News

 

[Dvorak]

The 90% is not a real statistic and Obama knows it. His disciples parrot it like it is the gospel.

Here is the exact question asked on that pollo you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?Pretty misleading. Is it asking if you support the background checks already in place? Because the way it is worded, it does not take into account that we already do background checks for all buyers, when bought from a dealer. It does not address private party sales specifically, nor gifts, nor the major contention that without a national gun registry, there is no way to enforce this.By choosing "support" your answer could mean just keep the system we already have in place.

I think you're confused by the word "all". The current system in place does NOT require background checks for "all" buyers, so choosing "support" would not mean that one wants to keep the current system in place.

And just like all the other gun-grabbers, the other 2 poll questions are completely ignored...

How can you proclaim that 90% support expanded background checks to cover private sales when only 52% support stricter gun control of any kind???

Hmm?

 

[ATC1]

Gun control working fantastic in Boston right now :(

F-I-L just made a post on FB:

Boston police urge residents to stay inside and if they own a gun arm themselves. They remind everyone those guns can only be loaded with 10 bullets.Not really sure if the city has a magazine capacity limit, but it really is dumb to limit the high capacity mags.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

this came up on my facebook feed this morning:

Retweeted Bill Harnsberger (@BillinPortland):

Anyone who thinks their gun will bring down a tyrannical government should take a good look at the government firepower now on display.

I find it ironic they ignore the argument from people defending their families against terrorists with automatic weapons. The anti-gun crowd loves to shout how these black swan events never happen (reminiscent of an L.A. Riot) yet here we are.

Taleb states that a black swan event depends on the observer. For example, what may be a black swan surprise for a turkey is not a black swan surprise to its butcher; hence the objective should be to "avoid being the turkey" by identifying areas of vulnerability in order to "turn the Black Swans white".

tl;dr; Don't be a turkey.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I wonder how many anti-gun nuts are eagerly awaiting the next mass murder so they can jump up and down and say "haha! I told you so!"

Gun control working fantastic in Boston right now :(

BostonFred was right.

 

[Jackstraw]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

yeah, I see a lot of posts on FB pointing out the politicians who voted against it. I'm disappointed that it didn't pass but I'm not going to contact my representative to complain and it won't affect my voting. It really wasn't that big of a deal imo, it would have helped, but it highlights the sad state of affairs that Congress can't even agree to this. So dysfunctional.

And see, this is how pluralism works. There were a lot more of us in favor of this than there were against it. Maybe it's not 90%, that number is being disputed, but it's certainly a wide majority. But most of us feel the same as you do: we're for it, but it's not that big a deal. Certainly not enough for most of us to affect our vote.

But for the other side, it's a HUGE deal. And they will vote based on this. So even though they represent a minority, they get their way.

Bold is EXACTLY why this bill got filibustered. The politicians voting against cloture knew that there were no ramifications for their vote, so why not pander to your contributors (NRA) and the idiotic fringe (10%) who oppose this no-brainer legislation?

That should be enough for you to re-evaluate your decision to support these clowns.

This # has been dis-proven.. Why do you 'I hate people who like the second amendment' folks keep this up?

Yep. It's amazing how many people believe everything the media tells them.

Hey gun control people. Please post some statistics that show more gun control laws actually decreasing gun violence. Until then you have no case.

US military brass have been spending a lot of time and money looking at how best to reduce the suicide rate among US troops, which has skyrocketed in recent years. They have concluded that it's false to assume that people intent on killing themselves will find a way to do it even if they can't get a gun. In a report to Congress in July, the Military Suicide Research Consortium noted that "Studies demonstrate that method substitution is rare."

That's why simple things that can delay access to a gun, like mandatory background checks for all handgun purchases—including private sales—like those that would be required by a new bill recently passed by a Senate committee, can make a big difference in preventing suicide. States with such a requirement have a gun suicide rate 50 percent lower than states that don't, even when their non-gun suicide rates are about the same.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/03/suicides-vs-handgun-background-checks

 

[timschochet]

The 90% is not a real statistic and Obama knows it. His disciples parrot it like it is the gospel. Here is the exact question asked on that pollo you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?Pretty misleading. Is it asking if you support the background checks already in place? Because the way it is worded, it does not take into account that we already do background checks for all buyers, when bought from a dealer. It does not address private party sales specifically, nor gifts, nor the major contention that without a national gun registry, there is no way to enforce this.By choosing "support" your answer could mean just keep the system we already have in place.

I think you're confused by the word "all". The current system in place does NOT require background checks for "all" buyers, so choosing "support" would not mean that one wants to keep the current system in place.

And just like all the other gun-grabbers, the other 2 poll questions are completely ignored... How can you proclaim that 90% support expanded background checks to cover private sales when only 52% support stricter gun control of any kind??? Hmm?

Because the public had no idea that background checks weren't universal already. That's how.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/30/the-gun-show-loophole-myth/

 

[tom22406]

8th grade student in West Va. suspended,arrested for wearing a t-shirt supporting NRA and 2nd Amendment

When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school this morning he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.

http://www.wowktv.com/story/22020264/8th-grade-student-arrested-over-gun-t-shirt

 

[tommyGunZ]

8th grade student in West Va. suspended,arrested for wearing a t-shirt supporting NRA and 2nd Amendment

When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school this morning he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.

http://www.wowktv.com/story/22020264/8th-grade-student-arrested-over-gun-t-shirt

Sounds like the school needs to add guns to the dress code.

 

[tom22406]

8th grade student in West Va. suspended,arrested for wearing a t-shirt supporting NRA and 2nd Amendment

When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school this morning he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.

http://www.wowktv.com/story/22020264/8th-grade-student-arrested-over-gun-t-shirt

Sounds like the school needs to add guns to the dress code.

So you're ok with arresting the kid?

 

[Christo]

A lot of people are really pissed off about this. Lots of people swearing to throw out the Senators who voted against this, especially the "cowardly Democrats". There may be political repercussions; we'll see.

In the end though, I doubt it will make much difference, for one main reason: many of those opposed to gun control are willing to vote on this issue- they feel fanatic about it. How many people on the other side, in favor of reasonable gun control, are willing to vote on this issue? Not me. I care about this issue, but there's a whole lot of other issues I care about more. I'm not going to base my vote on this, now or ever.

yeah, I see a lot of posts on FB pointing out the politicians who voted against it. I'm disappointed that it didn't pass but I'm not going to contact my representative to complain and it won't affect my voting. It really wasn't that big of a deal imo, it would have helped, but it highlights the sad state of affairs that Congress can't even agree to this. So dysfunctional.

And see, this is how pluralism works. There were a lot more of us in favor of this than there were against it. Maybe it's not 90%, that number is being disputed, but it's certainly a wide majority. But most of us feel the same as you do: we're for it, but it's not that big a deal. Certainly not enough for most of us to affect our vote.

But for the other side, it's a HUGE deal. And they will vote based on this. So even though they represent a minority, they get their way.

Bold is EXACTLY why this bill got filibustered. The politicians voting against cloture knew that there were no ramifications for their vote, so why not pander to your contributors (NRA) and the idiotic fringe (10%) who oppose this no-brainer legislation?

That should be enough for you to re-evaluate your decision to support these clowns.

This # has been dis-proven.. Why do you 'I hate people who like the second amendment' folks keep this up?

Yep. It's amazing how many people believe everything the media tells them.

Hey gun control people. Please post some statistics that show more gun control laws actually decreasing gun violence. Until then you have no case.

US military brass have been spending a lot of time and money looking at how best to reduce the suicide rate among US troops, which has skyrocketed in recent years. They have concluded that it's false to assume that people intent on killing themselves will find a way to do it even if they can't get a gun. In a report to Congress in July, the Military Suicide Research Consortium noted that "Studies demonstrate that method substitution is rare."

That's why simple things that can delay access to a gun, like mandatory background checks for all handgun purchases—including private sales—like those that would be required by a new bill recently passed by a Senate committee, can make a big difference in preventing suicide. States with such a requirement have a gun suicide rate 50 percent lower than states that don't, even when their non-gun suicide rates are about the same.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/03/suicides-vs-handgun-background-checks

Why is the government infringing on the right of its citizens to kill themselves?

 

[tommyboy]

Its time to start suing schools and teachers directly over stunts like thisI weep for this

 

[tommyGunZ]

8th grade student in West Va. suspended,arrested for wearing a t-shirt supporting NRA and 2nd Amendment

When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school this morning he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.

http://www.wowktv.com/story/22020264/8th-grade-student-arrested-over-gun-t-shirt

Sounds like the school needs to add guns to the dress code.

So you're ok with arresting the kid?

Probably, though I'd like to hear more details. Pretty sure he wasn't arrested for wearing the shirt, but for his actions afterward.

 

[tom22406]

8th grade student in West Va. suspended,arrested for wearing a t-shirt supporting NRA and 2nd Amendment

When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school this morning he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.

http://www.wowktv.com/story/22020264/8th-grade-student-arrested-over-gun-t-shirt

Sounds like the school needs to add guns to the dress code.

So you're ok with arresting the kid?

Probably, though I'd like to hear more details. Pretty sure he wasn't arrested for wearing the shirt, but for his actions afterward.

Pretty clear we don't know the whole story since the school didn't want to comment on it but I'm sure the kid said something that pissed his teacher off.

Being arrested though seems a tad harsh but that's just me.If he unleashed verbal threats to harm the teacher or class I could see that being reason enough.

 

[tommyGunZ]

8th grade student in West Va. suspended,arrested for wearing a t-shirt supporting NRA and 2nd Amendment

When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school this morning he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.

http://www.wowktv.com/story/22020264/8th-grade-student-arrested-over-gun-t-shirt

Sounds like the school needs to add guns to the dress code.

So you're ok with arresting the kid?

Probably, though I'd like to hear more details. Pretty sure he wasn't arrested for wearing the shirt, but for his actions afterward.

Pretty clear we don't know the whole story since the school didn't want to comment on it but I'm sure the kid said something that pissed his teacher off.

Being arrested though seems a tad harsh but that's just me.If he unleashed verbal threats to harm the teacher or class I could see that being reason enough.

Exactly. So why did you ask me if I was ok with arresting the kid?

 

[tom22406]

8th grade student in West Va. suspended,arrested for wearing a t-shirt supporting NRA and 2nd Amendment

When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school this morning he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.

http://www.wowktv.com/story/22020264/8th-grade-student-arrested-over-gun-t-shirt

Sounds like the school needs to add guns to the dress code.

So you're ok with arresting the kid?

Probably, though I'd like to hear more details. Pretty sure he wasn't arrested for wearing the shirt, but for his actions afterward.

Pretty clear we don't know the whole story since the school didn't want to comment on it but I'm sure the kid said something that pissed his teacher off.

Being arrested though seems a tad harsh but that's just me.If he unleashed verbal threats to harm the teacher or class I could see that being reason enough.

Exactly. So why did you ask me if I was ok with arresting the kid?

Because you didn't mention it in your reply.All you took away from that was they needed to add guns to the dress code according to your reply.

 

[tommyGunZ]

8th grade student in West Va. suspended,arrested for wearing a t-shirt supporting NRA and 2nd Amendment

When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school this morning he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.

http://www.wowktv.com/story/22020264/8th-grade-student-arrested-over-gun-t-shirt

Sounds like the school needs to add guns to the dress code.

So you're ok with arresting the kid?

Probably, though I'd like to hear more details. Pretty sure he wasn't arrested for wearing the shirt, but for his actions afterward.

Pretty clear we don't know the whole story since the school didn't want to comment on it but I'm sure the kid said something that pissed his teacher off.

Being arrested though seems a tad harsh but that's just me.If he unleashed verbal threats to harm the teacher or class I could see that being reason enough.

Exactly. So why did you ask me if I was ok with arresting the kid?

Because you didn't mention it in your reply.All you took away from that was they needed to add guns to the dress code according to your reply.

Why would I mention it when it's clear that we don't have enough details to come to an informed conclusion as to whether his arrest was justified?