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***Official Hells Kitchen Thread*** (2 Viewers)
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root of all aliai
From Wikipedia...Season 5 of the American competitive reality television series Hell's Kitchen began airing on the Fox Network starting on January 29, 2009. This season was taped in fall 2007 back to back with season 4.[citation needed] The season concluded on May 14, 2009.Daniel Veltri was announced the winner, and will be employed at the Borgata Hotel Casino and Spa in Atlantic City, New Jersey with a $250,000 annual salary. The season's runner up is Paula Dasilva.
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
Kevin seems like the obvious pick, so he probably wont win. My $$$ is on Jim, no real reason, just a hunch. Suzanne reminds me of an uglier version of my ex, makes me want to kick the TV when she is on.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
There are a lot of hacks in this crop. I think Jim looks like he has some talent. The ladies are dead in the water.
Drifter
Footballguy
I bet you there's a couple of chicks with talent but they aren't assertive (or are laying low until later). It also seems as there are fewer hacks than last season. I couldn't watch last season because of that.There are a lot of hacks in this crop. I think Jim looks like he has some talent. The ladies are dead in the water.
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HellToupee
Footballguy
my early power rankings by team and not ranking Robert
Kevin
Jim
Andy
Dave
Van
Joseph---has to be a plant. How does he go through marine boot camp & snaps so fast on Ramsay
Tony
Suzanne
Ariel
Amanda
Tek
Sabrina
Whoopi
Lovely
Kevin
Jim
Andy
Dave
Van
Joseph---has to be a plant. How does he go through marine boot camp & snaps so fast on Ramsay
Tony
Suzanne
Ariel
Amanda
Tek
Sabrina
Whoopi
Lovely
HellToupee
Footballguy
kaa
Footballguy
Just look at the great leaders in American history. Most of them share the same common traits. George Washington was a quiet, composed individual who analyzed everything and put people in a position to succeed. Lincoln was a thoughtful, composed person who never, ever criticized a soul. Teddy Roosevelt was famous for his belief in the phrase "speak softly and carry a big stick".Those are real leaders. Ramsay is just a lout, unfit to lead.I was about to post this, he's simply dishing out what he took. It worked for him, so now he figures that's the way to make great chefs. I guess he figures if they're worth their salt, they can handle it, if it breaks them down, they weren't cut out for the business in the first place. I'm not saying I completely agree, but there is some merit to his method (of course it's cranked up a notch for TV, but he's really like that off camera too.)
17seconds
root of all aliai
Sure doesn't seem so. Half of the girls can't cook pasta. The one chick tried to cook a giant cut of frozen salmon. I think this is the weakest crop yet.Bald dude seems like the only solid one.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Yea, I said to my fiance... 'Uh... haven't these people supposedly worked in the food industry?! It is like they are all my level of cooking! For crying out loud, I can cook a freaking chicken and make sure it is not raw!' Now, a lot of the times I think 'Oh, Gordon is just being Gordon' when he poo poos a dish but seriously.... these people can not even properly cook something without under or over cooking it. Isn't that the most basic of cooking skills?!
kaa
Footballguy
Seriously I think its probably Ramsay's fault. A lot of people react to constant yelling and screaming by regressing.
Wasn't she the one that couldn't cook scallops, over and over? I thought she was just about as bad as pasta girl in that service.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Yes that was here .I don't know how she wasn't nominated with crazy eyes
Rayderr
Footballguy
She went off elsewhere after the initial 1 year prize. Not sure if she's actually on Ramsey's staff at a restaurant now, or if the producers hired her for this show. First year's winner is still part owner of the restaurant (prize in the first season was an actual restaurant, not the current "executive chef for a year at...")culdeus said:
HellToupee
Footballguy
she's a linecook
Rayderr
Footballguy
She's actually unemployed. BTW:
Lehigh98
Footballguy
He's cooking risotto, not fighting off the British or ending slavery.kaa said:Just look at the great leaders in American history. Most of them share the same common traits. George Washington was a quiet, composed individual who analyzed everything and put people in a position to succeed. Lincoln was a thoughtful, composed person who never, ever criticized a soul. Teddy Roosevelt was famous for his belief in the phrase "speak softly and carry a big stick".Those are real leaders. Ramsay is just a lout, unfit to lead.Evilgrin 72 said:Lehigh98 said:I was about to post this, he's simply dishing out what he took. It worked for him, so now he figures that's the way to make great chefs. I guess he figures if they're worth their salt, they can handle it, if it breaks them down, they weren't cut out for the business in the first place. I'm not saying I completely agree, but there is some merit to his method (of course it's cranked up a notch for TV, but he's really like that off camera too.)
Dragons
Delusions of Grandeur
She looks like a bird.She was reasonably attractive except for those Crazy Eyesbigbottom said:Seemed like those things popped all the time
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Would you rather see how people react to pressure before or after you hire them to run your restaurant?
culdeus
Footballguy
Don't take this so seriously. Nobody is getting hired to run anything.
17seconds
root of all aliai
one of the worst prizes on a reality showevery winner has been a chef for some contract period and then dropped of the map
culdeus
Footballguy
Apparently they don't even require you to show up. You can if you want, but the contract is non binding and they can kick you out of the restaurant at any time. You get the cash up front either way so the incentive is to go off and so something else to get more for the pile. That Christina chick apparently probably got no other offers so she stuck around basically as a volunteer for a year. It isn't clear what she's doing now.It's just summer popcorn TV.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
A very good point. If you can survive Hell's Kitchen with Gordon screaming at you- you can handle any kitchen in any restaurant. Plus, it is some good TV and I am a fan of Gordon's with all his BBC stuff.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
17seconds said:Id say thats a pretty damn GREAT prize. 250k free and clear, with no further obligation.culdeus said:
It seems to me that the experience of working for a world class and very famous chef is a pretty dang good prize within itself for an aspiring chef.
kaa
Footballguy
I could put some line cooks on Omaha Beach during D Day serving chow and led by a calm, assuring head chef with a positive attitude - and they would probably do an incredible job.I could put some line cooks in Denny's in the middle of the night when there's hardly any customers led by a head chef that yells and screams all the time and they would probably screw up every single order.Pressure is what you make it.I take one look at Ramsay and tell him to take off the chef hat because he's a disgrace to the profession, hand him a mop and tell him to clean up until his attitude improves.
kaa
Footballguy
What's the show like?Typically, a guy like Ramsay that yells and screams a lot is extremely sensitive to criticism of their own work. If that's not factored in and dealt with, Ramsay might just up and quit a show that tests his skills against others, probably crying foul in the process. You'd basically have to mold Ramsay into someone who can get along with others first. Break his spirit.
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culdeus
Footballguy
Doubtful. That show seemingly rewards big flavors so far with big presentation. His cooking is more like Colichio's which is pretty laid back. Now he's got 100000000000 restaurants so I can't speak to all of them.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
He'd be on equal footing, the contestants on that show are all very good, well known chefs. Probably a favorite over some of the younger ones, they haven't done all that well compared to some of the chefs that have been doing it forever.
Hoart Petterson
Footballguy
Hell no.
kaa
Footballguy
I can't judge his ability to run a restaurant. We don't see that on his TV show. He's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he cannot lead. He consistently fails to get the most out of his contestants. They consistently underperform every single season and nearly every single show. Under him, a lot of chefs completely lose confidence and look like they have no idea how to cook. That's coming from HIM. He's in charge. He creates that.Don't try to tell me that Ramsay is an incredible leader saddled with a bunch of idiots all the time that don't listen. Ramsay is the root cause.
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kaa
Footballguy
That's not really an issue here. Even if it were 100% fake, we could still discuss Ramsay's leadership style as presented by the character. I think I said before a few days ago that's its probably good TV for certain demographics. Well I guess I didn't post that but I thought about it.
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
I am not sure about 'favorite' but he sure as heck could compete. I proposed this Q to my fiance who we are fans of Top Chef and Top Chef Masters. I watch with her Iron Chef, Chopped and Next Foodnetwork Star and any of the others that I am missing. As I said before, I enjoy Gordon and watch his stuff on BBC America more than even Hell's Kitchen. What I think is that as Chef's go, he is on par with any of the other Chef's that they have on Masters. I think that because of his stuff like Kitchen Nightmares and the F-Word, he would be more comfortable in the format and challenges as he has a lot more experience other than being an Executive Chef. So, in that, I think he would have some bit of an advantage. I also think because of that same work he does more actual cooking than a lot of these Executive Chef's a lot of times do, since they are use to telling their kitchens what to do and are not use to cooking by themselves or the format or pressures etc. So, I think he would have an advantange but I am not sure I would say he would be the favorite. You have a lot of good Chefs on Masters that fall on their face, like Chef Roy. It has nothing to do with their cooking skills and you never know what can happen with those challenges and what not.
HellToupee
Footballguy
its his personality x10people should watch BBC kitchen nightmares to get a real taste of Ramsay
cosjobs
Footballguy
I finally caught the first two episodes on Hulu.
First I will agree wholeheartedly with Kaa on his management style. It may be ok for showbiz, but in real life its way too demeaning and confrontational to yield a quality staff. That #### may work in the Marines, but its way too over the top for a civilian workforce.
I also agree that the BBC KN episode's more accurately reflect the way GR really manages. The US shows are caricatures of that. The former can be very effective in crisis situations (which describes his clients) but the latter is boorish and ineffective in the real world.
As far as this season's contestants go- the Texan and the Marine would be out of my kitchen already. You just cannot manage a workplace with employees threatening physical violence to other employees and management. Unacceptable. Period. you are out of here.
And I thought Ramsey was a real doosch for not backing his maitre'd in the confrontation with the Texan/ You have a prestigious, established maitre'd of that caliber who has worked your front of the house for a decade and you treat him like that after he is abused by some hick who thinks his southern charm will make up for his buffoonery and delinquency on display in the front of the house? Extremely weak showing by GR there.
First I will agree wholeheartedly with Kaa on his management style. It may be ok for showbiz, but in real life its way too demeaning and confrontational to yield a quality staff. That #### may work in the Marines, but its way too over the top for a civilian workforce.
I also agree that the BBC KN episode's more accurately reflect the way GR really manages. The US shows are caricatures of that. The former can be very effective in crisis situations (which describes his clients) but the latter is boorish and ineffective in the real world.
As far as this season's contestants go- the Texan and the Marine would be out of my kitchen already. You just cannot manage a workplace with employees threatening physical violence to other employees and management. Unacceptable. Period. you are out of here.
And I thought Ramsey was a real doosch for not backing his maitre'd in the confrontation with the Texan/ You have a prestigious, established maitre'd of that caliber who has worked your front of the house for a decade and you treat him like that after he is abused by some hick who thinks his southern charm will make up for his buffoonery and delinquency on display in the front of the house? Extremely weak showing by GR there.
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
its his personality x10people should watch BBC kitchen nightmares to get a real taste of Ramsay
Yea, he has a very confrontational, no holds barred type of personality but he also knows when to push and to back off (mostly) and when to be rough and when to nurture (mostly). But in this show, he kicks the confrontational/loud side of him up by a factor of at least 10. Kitchen Nightmares and F-Word seem to be much better representations of who he really is. It is not an act nor is it just shtick.... it is just highlighting and turbo charging one aspect of his personality and on purpose.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Smart money's on the little flamer.
Rayderr
Footballguy
F Word as well. He Springers it up on the US shows because for whatever reason, Americans love watching people yell at each other on TV.
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
Wish they would have brought Ji back, instead of Robert. She looked the best early on last season but left with an ankle injury. She was hot too.
Isn't Robert the odds on favorite to win this show? He has experience, can cook/work on a team, and GR seems to have a soft spot for him.
The ambulance tonight couldn't be for him, why would they have to evacuate everyone for one guys heart condition?
Its a fire drill, calling it now. Hope I'm wrong.
Isn't Robert the odds on favorite to win this show? He has experience, can cook/work on a team, and GR seems to have a soft spot for him.
The ambulance tonight couldn't be for him, why would they have to evacuate everyone for one guys heart condition?
Its a fire drill, calling it now. Hope I'm wrong.
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HellToupee
Footballguy
I was wondering why Ji didn't get the call back this seasonJust a hunch but I don't think Robert is going to be as good as he was last season. I think this season looks stronger.I'm saying Kevin & Ariel are the top from each team
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
KN from the BBC, not the US version. Wish the US producers would take a queue from the BBC and not overproduce their shows. The fake cliff hangers, cheesy "drama' music, MTV style edits, and just an over produced show in general make it pretty hard to watch.Yea, he has a very confrontational, no holds barred type of personality but he also knows when to push and to back off (mostly) and when to be rough and when to nurture (mostly). But in this show, he kicks the confrontational/loud side of him up by a factor of at least 10. Kitchen Nightmares and F-Word seem to be much better representations of who he really is. It is not an act nor is it just shtick.... it is just highlighting and turbo charging one aspect of his personality and on purpose.
