***Official*** Heroes Thread (1 Viewer)

[rick6668]

I'm pretty sure Parkman is still alive. He may die, but when they put him in the ambulance he was still alive. They had him hooked up to an IV with the bag in his lap. Agree with what was posted earlier that if he was dead, they would not be putting him in the ambulance.

 

[Marc Levin]

Writers need to stop treating their audiences like idiots. It isn't necessary for a character to explain the 'why' of his actions. Actions generally speak for themselves.

T/Y!!!That's why Lost is now the by far best show on network TV and Heroes (for me) has dropped quite a bit. I still watch religiously and I love the storyline because I loved comic books as a kid. But, I recognize that the writing on Heroes is sub-par and is designed to keep stupid people from falling behind.

 

[Blood Farmer]

I just don't see why the good guys didn't approach the threats rationally. Hiro didn't need anyone else to pick the girl up and move her away from the bus. Why would he need anyone else to slice and dice Sylar. Peter's nuclear threat dissipated when he collapsed on the street prior to his dream. Just give the guy a sedative!

The writers really didn't try too hard on this one. A disappointment but I will be back. I don't mind suspending disbelief but this episode was not written well. Letting Sylar go was just loopy!

Another issue: when a gun is fired sequentually why do the bullets bunch up when they are stopped by telekinesis. Is the first bullet stopped first and sets there waiting for the subsequently fired bullets to arrive?

 

[Marc Levin]

The fist fight was rather lame. You need to kill the guy, yet you stand there giving him an old fashioned beat down with your fists instead of using your powers to give him a whooping? The Nicki save was lame too and rather unnecessary. Sylar pulled the Vader choke on Peter once already, but Peter still stood there and let him do it again. As mentioned above with the Hiro charge, there is no way Sylar would let Nicki get that close to him.

I actually liked the Nikki save. I was expecting the good guys to all contribute, and that was the one instance where it came together. I don't count Hiro's strike, because it was so completely lame. But what I was most disappointed with was that Peter didn't use any of his powers in the battle.

I don't understand how someone with super strength (Nikki), punching you with all her might, doesn't rip your damn head off. Candace should be dead, and Sylar should have had a detached skull.

 

[The Noid]

Writers need to stop treating their audiences like idiots. It isn't necessary for a character to explain the 'why' of his actions. Actions generally speak for themselves.

T/Y!!!That's why Lost is now the by far best show on network TV and Heroes (for me) has dropped quite a bit. I still watch religiously and I love the storyline because I loved comic books as a kid. But, I recognize that the writing on Heroes is sub-par and is designed to keep stupid people from falling behind.

And exactly why I made my steak comparison a few posts ago. I enjoy both cuts, but one is clearly way better than the other.

 

[Marc Levin]

- We don't know if ANYONE died last night. DL? Sylar? Peter? Nathan? Parkman? Very typical comic book stuff, as any or all could be back next year.

I said the same thing in my commentary right after the show was over - that all the folks who were "killed" tonight will be alive and back next year.

 

[Marc Levin]

Writers need to stop treating their audiences like idiots. It isn't necessary for a character to explain the 'why' of his actions. Actions generally speak for themselves.

T/Y!!!That's why Lost is now the by far best show on network TV and Heroes (for me) has dropped quite a bit. I still watch religiously and I love the storyline because I loved comic books as a kid. But, I recognize that the writing on Heroes is sub-par and is designed to keep stupid people from falling behind.

And exactly why I made my steak comparison a few posts ago. I enjoy both cuts, but one is clearly way better than the other.

Well, last fall, Lost was a ribeye with lots of gristle and Heroes was a marinated petite sirloin with a bacon wrap.

 

[Marc Levin]

2. Sylar getting stabbed - Hiro didn't teleport up and stab him, he ran up to him at normal speed after Sylar had already spotted him.

I think this had more to do with Sylar's ego and thinking that Hiro couldn't do it, this his look of surprise when he did.

3. Parkman took 4 high caliber bullets to the chest and didn't die

But he did die, but I do think they did a bad job of showing it.

5. No one saw Sylar drag himself away? Seriously? You've all been pursuing and or frightened of this guy for weeks and you don't notice him dragging his eviscerated body 20 feet to a manhole cover?

Again, I think this comes down to them expecting he was dead and not a threat. All in all these are a bunch of weak individuals. But I do think someone would have saw it too.

6. Shapeshifter shifting to her fake shape and not her fat shape.

Who said she is fat? She was talking to Micah, but didn't say she was.

You are bending over backwards on all of these to give the writers a benefit of a doubt.2) that deserves a Sylkar stood there and let himself be stabbed? He didn't do that at his Mom's - he grabbed the sword and used powers.3) you are simply dead wrong on that one - Parkman is alive.5) even you must admit the writers treated us like morons on that one.6) arguable, but the clear implication of all of her comments about her true appearance are that, in real life, she is fat and/or nasty to look at.

 

[Marc Levin]

I'm pretty sure Parkman is still alive. He may die, but when they put him in the ambulance he was still alive. They had him hooked up to an IV with the bag in his lap. Agree with what was posted earlier that if he was dead, they would not be putting him in the ambulance.

To clarify, I think the person said they'd be zipping up a body bag or have a sheet over his face.Either way, they wouldn't be hooking him up to an IV and treating him that way if he was already dead. We will open next year with him recuperating in a hospital bed and he'll be back on his feet and in the action within two or three episodes - because all you need is a few days to recover from four gunshot wounds to the chest.

 

[Drifter]

I'm pretty sure Parkman is still alive. He may die, but when they put him in the ambulance he was still alive. They had him hooked up to an IV with the bag in his lap. Agree with what was posted earlier that if he was dead, they would not be putting him in the ambulance.

To clarify, I think the person said they'd be zipping up a body bag or have a sheet over his face.Either way, they wouldn't be hooking him up to an IV and treating him that way if he was already dead. We will open next year with him recuperating in a hospital bed and he'll be back on his feet and in the action within two or three episodes - because all you need is a few days to recover from four gunshot wounds to the chest.

Not just 4 gunshot wounds, but 4 slugs that looked to be about .50 caliber.

 

[dlos]

I'm pretty sure Parkman is still alive. He may die, but when they put him in the ambulance he was still alive. They had him hooked up to an IV with the bag in his lap. Agree with what was posted earlier that if he was dead, they would not be putting him in the ambulance.

To clarify, I think the person said they'd be zipping up a body bag or have a sheet over his face.Either way, they wouldn't be hooking him up to an IV and treating him that way if he was already dead. We will open next year with him recuperating in a hospital bed and he'll be back on his feet and in the action within two or three episodes - because all you need is a few days to recover from four gunshot wounds to the chest.

He's a cop. I assume he was wearing a vest.

 

[Drifter]

I'm pretty sure Parkman is still alive. He may die, but when they put him in the ambulance he was still alive. They had him hooked up to an IV with the bag in his lap. Agree with what was posted earlier that if he was dead, they would not be putting him in the ambulance.

To clarify, I think the person said they'd be zipping up a body bag or have a sheet over his face.Either way, they wouldn't be hooking him up to an IV and treating him that way if he was already dead. We will open next year with him recuperating in a hospital bed and he'll be back on his feet and in the action within two or three episodes - because all you need is a few days to recover from four gunshot wounds to the chest.

He's a cop. I assume he was wearing a vest.

It's very possible the go this route - only he wasn't. You can tell when someone is wearing a vest. I'll let that one slide, though, since it's a frequently used Hollywood cliche, however unbelievable.

 

[Marc Levin]

I'm pretty sure Parkman is still alive. He may die, but when they put him in the ambulance he was still alive. They had him hooked up to an IV with the bag in his lap. Agree with what was posted earlier that if he was dead, they would not be putting him in the ambulance.

To clarify, I think the person said they'd be zipping up a body bag or have a sheet over his face.Either way, they wouldn't be hooking him up to an IV and treating him that way if he was already dead. We will open next year with him recuperating in a hospital bed and he'll be back on his feet and in the action within two or three episodes - because all you need is a few days to recover from four gunshot wounds to the chest.

He's a cop. I assume he was wearing a vest.

He was no longer a cop, he was bleeding from all four holes, and I am sure Stlar could have thrown the bullets with sufficient force to pierce any vest.PLEASE stop trying to make this anything more than a comic book. I can argue against comic book logic all day long.

 

[Boone22]

I'm pretty sure Parkman is still alive. He may die, but when they put him in the ambulance he was still alive. They had him hooked up to an IV with the bag in his lap. Agree with what was posted earlier that if he was dead, they would not be putting him in the ambulance.

To clarify, I think the person said they'd be zipping up a body bag or have a sheet over his face.Either way, they wouldn't be hooking him up to an IV and treating him that way if he was already dead. We will open next year with him recuperating in a hospital bed and he'll be back on his feet and in the action within two or three episodes - because all you need is a few days to recover from four gunshot wounds to the chest.

Not just 4 gunshot wounds, but 4 slugs that looked to be about .50 caliber.

I'm not justifying it because I thought there were many gaps in last night's storyline but maybe (and it's a stretch here) but maybe Sylar's Telekenisis can't "throw" the bullets as fast as if they are shot out of a gun. Maybe the bullets didn't do as much damage as normally fired bullets cause Sylar can't speed them up that fast.

 

[ttiger72]

All in all, I thought the last two episodes were pretty weak:1. Hiro's faster than fast training in Kendo.2. Sylar getting stabbed - Hiro didn't teleport up and stab him, he ran up to him at normal speed after Sylar had already spotted him.3. Parkman took 4 high caliber bullets to the chest and didn't die4. Why didn't Peter fly himself away?5. No one saw Sylar drag himself away? Seriously? You've all been pursuing and or frightened of this guy for weeks and you don't notice him dragging his eviscerated body 20 feet to a manhole cover?All in all - weak, weak, weak and weak. It's like they tried to wrap everything up faster than the pace they set in setting everything up. Pretty disapointed.ETA: 6. Shapeshifter shifting to her fake shape and not her fat shape.

1. Hiro can teleport and freeze time, think his father has the same or similar abilities? I do, I think they trained in essentially a "time vacuum".2. I think he had no real belief that Hiro could do anything. More of an arrogance thing on Sylar's part.3. High Caliber????? Do you know if Slyar can "fire" them at the same velocity as a gun? I don't think they are as serious as it was made to be.4. Only explanation is Peter has 0 confidence in himself until someone else's well being is at stake.5. I think someone dragged him, invisible guy, the scarier than the boogie man guy...who knows.6. Supposition on your part.BTW I think Mama Petreilli's power is the power to influence/compel. She almost ALWAYS touches Nathan and then he would do what she wanted, very hesitant until she touches him. Also what happened with the Haitian?

 

[The Noid]

BTW I think Mama Petreilli's power is the power to influence/compel. She almost ALWAYS touches Nathan and then he would do what she wanted, very hesitant until she touches him.

We've already seen this power, with Eden.

 

[ttiger72]

The fist fight was rather lame. You need to kill the guy, yet you stand there giving him an old fashioned beat down with your fists instead of using your powers to give him a whooping? The Nicki save was lame too and rather unnecessary. Sylar pulled the Vader choke on Peter once already, but Peter still stood there and let him do it again. As mentioned above with the Hiro charge, there is no way Sylar would let Nicki get that close to him.

I actually liked the Nikki save. I was expecting the good guys to all contribute, and that was the one instance where it came together. I don't count Hiro's strike, because it was so completely lame. But what I was most disappointed with was that Peter didn't use any of his powers in the battle.

I don't understand how someone with super strength (Nikki), punching you with all her might, doesn't rip your damn head off. Candace should be dead, and Sylar should have had a detached skull.

While Sylar doesn't have Clair's power, no one really knows all that he can do. He was shot multiple times at the police station and then almost "flew" out of there.

 

[bigbottom]

I am sure Stlar could have thrown the bullets with sufficient force to pierce any vest.

What leads you to this conclusion?

 

[Drifter]

All in all, I thought the last two episodes were pretty weak:1. Hiro's faster than fast training in Kendo.2. Sylar getting stabbed - Hiro didn't teleport up and stab him, he ran up to him at normal speed after Sylar had already spotted him.3. Parkman took 4 high caliber bullets to the chest and didn't die4. Why didn't Peter fly himself away?5. No one saw Sylar drag himself away? Seriously? You've all been pursuing and or frightened of this guy for weeks and you don't notice him dragging his eviscerated body 20 feet to a manhole cover?All in all - weak, weak, weak and weak. It's like they tried to wrap everything up faster than the pace they set in setting everything up. Pretty disapointed.ETA: 6. Shapeshifter shifting to her fake shape and not her fat shape.

1. Hiro can teleport and freeze time, think his father has the same or similar abilities? I do, I think they trained in essentially a "time vacuum".2. I think he had no real belief that Hiro could do anything. More of an arrogance thing on Sylar's part.3. High Caliber????? Do you know if Slyar can "fire" them at the same velocity as a gun? I don't think they are as serious as it was made to be.4. Only explanation is Peter has confidence in himself until someone else is at stake.5. I think someone dragged him, invisible guy, the scarier than the boogie man guy...who knows.6. Supposition on your part.BTW I think Mama Petreilli's power is the power to influence/compel. She almost ALWAYS touches Nathan and then he would do what she wanted, very hesitant until she touches him. Also what happened with the Haitian?

If 1. is true then it would have been very easy for the writers to show this without leaving us all 2. Sylar already though he could overcome Hiro when he challenged him to freeze time before he killed Ando. He would have learned his lesson then. Even if he was overconfident to not flinch at all when someone is running at you with a 4 foot dai-katana is ridiculous.3. So a guy that can throw someone across a square, or telikinetically make a point sharp enough to cut through a skully can't accelerate some giant lead slugs hard enough to kill someone?4. I'm willing to let 4 go with the assumption that, Peter just couldn't control his powers5. Good thought. I hope that's true. Nonetheless, no one noticed?6. Supposition based on the writers leading the viewer by the nose to that supposition. As I said earlier, I don't think these writers have the subtlety to insert those comments and then have it all boil down to a false self-image problem

 

[Drifter]

To everybody defending last night's episode - Do you really think that was a good finale? Seriously? I like this show but the way they wrapped it up sucked large donkey dong.

 

[Buckychudd]

I am sure Stlar could have thrown the bullets with sufficient force to pierce any vest.

What leads you to this conclusion?

We haven't seen Sylar throw anything nearly as fast as a bullet.

 

[Buckychudd]

To everybody defending last night's episode - Do you really think that was a good finale? Seriously? I like this show but the way they wrapped it up sucked large donkey dong.

I was expecting more, they really should have taken two hours and 5x the budget.

 

[meeka]

Really, the only thing that bothered me in the finale is that when Nikki knocked out illusion girl, she should have morphed back to what she actually looks like since the hot brunette is an illusion.

I said to my wife, "Now we will see what she really looks like."

 

[ttiger72]

All in all, I thought the last two episodes were pretty weak:1. Hiro's faster than fast training in Kendo.2. Sylar getting stabbed - Hiro didn't teleport up and stab him, he ran up to him at normal speed after Sylar had already spotted him.3. Parkman took 4 high caliber bullets to the chest and didn't die4. Why didn't Peter fly himself away?5. No one saw Sylar drag himself away? Seriously? You've all been pursuing and or frightened of this guy for weeks and you don't notice him dragging his eviscerated body 20 feet to a manhole cover?All in all - weak, weak, weak and weak. It's like they tried to wrap everything up faster than the pace they set in setting everything up. Pretty disapointed.ETA: 6. Shapeshifter shifting to her fake shape and not her fat shape.

1. Hiro can teleport and freeze time, think his father has the same or similar abilities? I do, I think they trained in essentially a "time vacuum".2. I think he had no real belief that Hiro could do anything. More of an arrogance thing on Sylar's part.3. High Caliber????? Do you know if Slyar can "fire" them at the same velocity as a gun? I don't think they are as serious as it was made to be.4. Only explanation is Peter has confidence in himself until someone else is at stake.5. I think someone dragged him, invisible guy, the scarier than the boogie man guy...who knows.6. Supposition on your part.BTW I think Mama Petreilli's power is the power to influence/compel. She almost ALWAYS touches Nathan and then he would do what she wanted, very hesitant until she touches him. Also what happened with the Haitian?

If 1. is true then it would have been very easy for the writers to show this without leaving us all 2. Sylar already though he could overcome Hiro when he challenged him to freeze time before he killed Ando. He would have learned his lesson then. Even if he was overconfident to not flinch at all when someone is running at you with a 4 foot dai-katana is ridiculous.3. So a guy that can throw someone across a square, or telikinetically make a point sharp enough to cut through a skully can't accelerate some giant lead slugs hard enough to kill someone?4. I'm willing to let 4 go with the assumption that, Peter just couldn't control his powers5. Good thought. I hope that's true. Nonetheless, no one noticed?6. Supposition based on the writers leading the viewer by the nose to that supposition. As I said earlier, I don't think these writers have the subtlety to insert those comments and then have it all boil down to a false self-image problem

1. I wasn't confused...I thought it was fairly obvious. I am an avid comic reader though.2. I still think it revolved around arrogance and not believe Hiro could actually do it. Teleporting out of loft wasn't exactly an aggressive move by Hiro, but a defensive/cowardly move. Grabs Ando and then leaves without facing him shows lack of resolve.3. Nope. Force is one thing, ability to accelerate a small object faster than the speed of sound is another.5. At that point everyone was watching Nathan and Peter fly to see what happened as they were all concerned about Peter.6.Could be, could be a possum situation when she knew she was out matched. She could be the one that saves Sylar.

 

[Lurking]

While I agree with everyone regarding letting Sylar crawl (or get dragged) away, a nuclear bomb did just explode in the sky. So it is somewhat plausible for the Heroes attention to be diverted for a bit.

I have a few questions:

1. Why were the streets empty the entire episode? (Is this a comic book thing?)

2. What flashed in Sylar's eyes after he was stabbed and what is the significance?

3. People keep talking about Peter's dream and where he got the power, doesn't Suresh have this power?

 

[Drifter]

All in all, I thought the last two episodes were pretty weak:1. Hiro's faster than fast training in Kendo.2. Sylar getting stabbed - Hiro didn't teleport up and stab him, he ran up to him at normal speed after Sylar had already spotted him.3. Parkman took 4 high caliber bullets to the chest and didn't die4. Why didn't Peter fly himself away?5. No one saw Sylar drag himself away? Seriously? You've all been pursuing and or frightened of this guy for weeks and you don't notice him dragging his eviscerated body 20 feet to a manhole cover?All in all - weak, weak, weak and weak. It's like they tried to wrap everything up faster than the pace they set in setting everything up. Pretty disapointed.ETA: 6. Shapeshifter shifting to her fake shape and not her fat shape.

1. Hiro can teleport and freeze time, think his father has the same or similar abilities? I do, I think they trained in essentially a "time vacuum".2. I think he had no real belief that Hiro could do anything. More of an arrogance thing on Sylar's part.3. High Caliber????? Do you know if Slyar can "fire" them at the same velocity as a gun? I don't think they are as serious as it was made to be.4. Only explanation is Peter has confidence in himself until someone else is at stake.5. I think someone dragged him, invisible guy, the scarier than the boogie man guy...who knows.6. Supposition on your part.BTW I think Mama Petreilli's power is the power to influence/compel. She almost ALWAYS touches Nathan and then he would do what she wanted, very hesitant until she touches him. Also what happened with the Haitian?

If 1. is true then it would have been very easy for the writers to show this without leaving us all 2. Sylar already though he could overcome Hiro when he challenged him to freeze time before he killed Ando. He would have learned his lesson then. Even if he was overconfident to not flinch at all when someone is running at you with a 4 foot dai-katana is ridiculous.3. So a guy that can throw someone across a square, or telikinetically make a point sharp enough to cut through a skully can't accelerate some giant lead slugs hard enough to kill someone?4. I'm willing to let 4 go with the assumption that, Peter just couldn't control his powers5. Good thought. I hope that's true. Nonetheless, no one noticed?6. Supposition based on the writers leading the viewer by the nose to that supposition. As I said earlier, I don't think these writers have the subtlety to insert those comments and then have it all boil down to a false self-image problem

1. I wasn't confused...I thought it was fairly obvious. I am an avid comic reader though.2. I still think it revolved around arrogance and not believe Hiro could actually do it. Teleporting out of loft wasn't exactly an aggressive move by Hiro, but a defensive/cowardly move. Grabs Ando and then leaves without facing him shows lack of resolve.3. Nope. Force is one thing, ability to accelerate a small object faster than the speed of sound is another.5. At that point everyone was watching Nathan and Peter fly to see what happened as they were all concerned about Peter.6.Could be, could be a possum situation when she knew she was out matched. She could be the one that saves Sylar.

These are some huge reaches. You have to have enough self-awareness to realize that, no?

 

[ttiger72]

To everybody defending last night's episode - Do you really think that was a good finale? Seriously? I like this show but the way they wrapped it up sucked large donkey dong.

They wrapped up one thing last night, NY not blowing up. This show is more comic like than anything I have ever watched. No story wraps up nicely in the comic books, and I am okay with the way it ended. I would have liked to see Peter have a better mastering of his powers, but I am not going to say it was crap. Linderman dying was an unexpected shock as was the org that Noah worked for being severely hurt.Personally this show made great strides in setting up a long running series. Is the Company part of Linderman's group? Who are the other people with abilities that ran this Compay/Linderman's group, we know of Mama and Papa Petrelli, Charles, Hiro's father, and Linderman. What about Claire's mom? They left a lot hanging and lots of possibilities.

 

[ttiger72]

All in all, I thought the last two episodes were pretty weak:1. Hiro's faster than fast training in Kendo.2. Sylar getting stabbed - Hiro didn't teleport up and stab him, he ran up to him at normal speed after Sylar had already spotted him.3. Parkman took 4 high caliber bullets to the chest and didn't die4. Why didn't Peter fly himself away?5. No one saw Sylar drag himself away? Seriously? You've all been pursuing and or frightened of this guy for weeks and you don't notice him dragging his eviscerated body 20 feet to a manhole cover?All in all - weak, weak, weak and weak. It's like they tried to wrap everything up faster than the pace they set in setting everything up. Pretty disapointed.ETA: 6. Shapeshifter shifting to her fake shape and not her fat shape.

1. Hiro can teleport and freeze time, think his father has the same or similar abilities? I do, I think they trained in essentially a "time vacuum".2. I think he had no real belief that Hiro could do anything. More of an arrogance thing on Sylar's part.3. High Caliber????? Do you know if Slyar can "fire" them at the same velocity as a gun? I don't think they are as serious as it was made to be.4. Only explanation is Peter has confidence in himself until someone else is at stake.5. I think someone dragged him, invisible guy, the scarier than the boogie man guy...who knows.6. Supposition on your part.BTW I think Mama Petreilli's power is the power to influence/compel. She almost ALWAYS touches Nathan and then he would do what she wanted, very hesitant until she touches him. Also what happened with the Haitian?

If 1. is true then it would have been very easy for the writers to show this without leaving us all 2. Sylar already though he could overcome Hiro when he challenged him to freeze time before he killed Ando. He would have learned his lesson then. Even if he was overconfident to not flinch at all when someone is running at you with a 4 foot dai-katana is ridiculous.3. So a guy that can throw someone across a square, or telikinetically make a point sharp enough to cut through a skully can't accelerate some giant lead slugs hard enough to kill someone?4. I'm willing to let 4 go with the assumption that, Peter just couldn't control his powers5. Good thought. I hope that's true. Nonetheless, no one noticed?6. Supposition based on the writers leading the viewer by the nose to that supposition. As I said earlier, I don't think these writers have the subtlety to insert those comments and then have it all boil down to a false self-image problem

1. I wasn't confused...I thought it was fairly obvious. I am an avid comic reader though.2. I still think it revolved around arrogance and not believe Hiro could actually do it. Teleporting out of loft wasn't exactly an aggressive move by Hiro, but a defensive/cowardly move. Grabs Ando and then leaves without facing him shows lack of resolve.3. Nope. Force is one thing, ability to accelerate a small object faster than the speed of sound is another.5. At that point everyone was watching Nathan and Peter fly to see what happened as they were all concerned about Peter.6.Could be, could be a possum situation when she knew she was out matched. She could be the one that saves Sylar.

These are some huge reaches. You have to have enough self-awareness to realize that, no?

This is a Comic Book TV Show. These reaches are regular things in the comics......

 

[Drifter]

To everybody defending last night's episode - Do you really think that was a good finale? Seriously? I like this show but the way they wrapped it up sucked large donkey dong.

They wrapped up one thing last night, NY not blowing up. This show is more comic like than anything I have ever watched. No story wraps up nicely in the comic books, and I am okay with the way it ended. I would have liked to see Peter have a better mastering of his powers, but I am not going to say it was crap. Linderman dying was an unexpected shock as was the org that Noah worked for being severely hurt.Personally this show made great strides in setting up a long running series. Is the Company part of Linderman's group? Who are the other people with abilities that ran this Compay/Linderman's group, we know of Mama and Papa Petrelli, Charles, Hiro's father, and Linderman. What about Claire's mom? They left a lot hanging and lots of possibilities.

By wrapping up, I didn't mean tying everything up with a nice bow. I meant, bringing the current story arc to a satisfying conclusion without jumping over giant inconsistencies to get to your desired end-point, not to mention the lack of any kind of show stopping climax. Most comics do that very well.

 

[ttiger72]

While I agree with everyone regarding letting Sylar crawl (or get dragged) away, a nuclear bomb did just explode in the sky. So it is somewhat plausible for the Heroes attention to be diverted for a bit.I have a few questions:1. Why were the streets empty the entire episode? (Is this a comic book thing?)2. What flashed in Sylar's eyes after he was stabbed and what is the significance?3. People keep talking about Peter's dream and where he got the power, doesn't Suresh have this power?

1. Typically yes.2. I think he was seeing the future, Isaacs' powers.3. I don't think it was Suresh, it was that little boy that was able to enter Suresh's dreams.

 

[Drifter]

All in all, I thought the last two episodes were pretty weak:1. Hiro's faster than fast training in Kendo.2. Sylar getting stabbed - Hiro didn't teleport up and stab him, he ran up to him at normal speed after Sylar had already spotted him.3. Parkman took 4 high caliber bullets to the chest and didn't die4. Why didn't Peter fly himself away?5. No one saw Sylar drag himself away? Seriously? You've all been pursuing and or frightened of this guy for weeks and you don't notice him dragging his eviscerated body 20 feet to a manhole cover?All in all - weak, weak, weak and weak. It's like they tried to wrap everything up faster than the pace they set in setting everything up. Pretty disapointed.ETA: 6. Shapeshifter shifting to her fake shape and not her fat shape.

1. Hiro can teleport and freeze time, think his father has the same or similar abilities? I do, I think they trained in essentially a "time vacuum".2. I think he had no real belief that Hiro could do anything. More of an arrogance thing on Sylar's part.3. High Caliber????? Do you know if Slyar can "fire" them at the same velocity as a gun? I don't think they are as serious as it was made to be.4. Only explanation is Peter has confidence in himself until someone else is at stake.5. I think someone dragged him, invisible guy, the scarier than the boogie man guy...who knows.6. Supposition on your part.BTW I think Mama Petreilli's power is the power to influence/compel. She almost ALWAYS touches Nathan and then he would do what she wanted, very hesitant until she touches him. Also what happened with the Haitian?

If 1. is true then it would have been very easy for the writers to show this without leaving us all 2. Sylar already though he could overcome Hiro when he challenged him to freeze time before he killed Ando. He would have learned his lesson then. Even if he was overconfident to not flinch at all when someone is running at you with a 4 foot dai-katana is ridiculous.3. So a guy that can throw someone across a square, or telikinetically make a point sharp enough to cut through a skully can't accelerate some giant lead slugs hard enough to kill someone?4. I'm willing to let 4 go with the assumption that, Peter just couldn't control his powers5. Good thought. I hope that's true. Nonetheless, no one noticed?6. Supposition based on the writers leading the viewer by the nose to that supposition. As I said earlier, I don't think these writers have the subtlety to insert those comments and then have it all boil down to a false self-image problem

1. I wasn't confused...I thought it was fairly obvious. I am an avid comic reader though.2. I still think it revolved around arrogance and not believe Hiro could actually do it. Teleporting out of loft wasn't exactly an aggressive move by Hiro, but a defensive/cowardly move. Grabs Ando and then leaves without facing him shows lack of resolve.3. Nope. Force is one thing, ability to accelerate a small object faster than the speed of sound is another.5. At that point everyone was watching Nathan and Peter fly to see what happened as they were all concerned about Peter.6.Could be, could be a possum situation when she knew she was out matched. She could be the one that saves Sylar.

These are some huge reaches. You have to have enough self-awareness to realize that, no?

This is a Comic Book TV Show. These reaches are regular things in the comics......

Some of them are not all. Comics take their time to reach their desire conclusion. They don't massage inconsistent plot lines into the story in order to get to the climactic moment quicker. And then, when they do reach that climactic moment, they pay off big time. This didn't do that.I understand the comic fans desire to defend the show since it's the only thing that comes close to the genre they like on television. However, sometimes a fanboy is a fanboy and can't see the forrest through the trees.

 

[ttiger72]

To everybody defending last night's episode - Do you really think that was a good finale? Seriously? I like this show but the way they wrapped it up sucked large donkey dong.

They wrapped up one thing last night, NY not blowing up. This show is more comic like than anything I have ever watched. No story wraps up nicely in the comic books, and I am okay with the way it ended. I would have liked to see Peter have a better mastering of his powers, but I am not going to say it was crap. Linderman dying was an unexpected shock as was the org that Noah worked for being severely hurt.Personally this show made great strides in setting up a long running series. Is the Company part of Linderman's group? Who are the other people with abilities that ran this Compay/Linderman's group, we know of Mama and Papa Petrelli, Charles, Hiro's father, and Linderman. What about Claire's mom? They left a lot hanging and lots of possibilities.

By wrapping up, I didn't mean tying everything up with a nice bow. I meant, bringing the current story arc to a satisfying conclusion without jumping over giant inconsistencies to get to your desired end-point, not to mention the lack of any kind of show stopping climax. Most comics do that very well.

Civil War - NopeInfinite Crisis - Nope52 - NopeCountdown -Maybe but doubtful.The current arc, IMO, was two fold. To lay the ground work for a defined Good/Bad segment with the characters for a long run, and to accomplish said goals of Save the Cheerleader Save the World. Which they did.

 

[bostonfred]

Sylar had the ability to hide in plain sight. It makes sense that he could crawl away. The illusionist also had the ability to hide him if she wanted. So I don't have a huge issue with that part.

I still don't get Nathan flying Peter away. Shoot him. Then Peter can regenerate, and everyone lives. Fly him away, and Nathan probably dies, while Peter explodes, which he might not be able to survive. That was terrible. Then again, Peter probably survived the explosion because he can heal, and Nathan probably flew away in time to avoid the explosion. Or not, if they start demanding superstar money over the offseason. We'll see.

Hiro could have stopped time to kill Sylar. But if he did, it would have been murder, instead of winning a fight against a superior foe. Call it a nod to NBC, which doesn't want to be the channel of "some murders are good, others are bad". Hiro's training is supposed to be what made him able to fight, not his abilities.

All of the characters had not-so-subtle story related to their abilities:

Peter can do anything he wants to do, but he can't do it on his own.

Hiro is a special guy, but he needs to believe in himself, and he desperately wanted his father's respect.

Parkman is a good guy, but he doesn't get a lot of respect. When he realizes what other people think of him, he becomes the hero we all knew he could be.

Nikki is just a normal girl, but she can be as strong as she needs to be to protect her family.

Sylar can see the good and the bad in everyone but himself. He thinks he's better than everyone else, so he takes from them instead of doing the things he's good at. He'd be better off if he'd just be himself, but his mother put so much pressure on him to be special that he turned out to be a huge jerk.

Nathan's potential is sky high, but he has to decide if he wants to do the hard thing and use it for good or do the easy thing and use it for personal gain.

It's a cross between dimestore psychology and superhero comics, and last night's episode just closed some of those concepts out.

 

[meeka]

Are we completely sure that no one noticed Sylar going into the sewer? They really just showed the scene after he was gone. For all we know they could have still been in the area, and then they see him being dragged into the sewer by ???, but are unable to do anything about it. They do not show us the event, so it leaves it open.

I thought this episode left so much to be answered. I would have liked a lot more answers in last nights show. They have plenty of material for next season leaving things so open.

I will still watch, but wanted more out of last nights show.

 

[ttiger72]

All in all, I thought the last two episodes were pretty weak:1. Hiro's faster than fast training in Kendo.2. Sylar getting stabbed - Hiro didn't teleport up and stab him, he ran up to him at normal speed after Sylar had already spotted him.3. Parkman took 4 high caliber bullets to the chest and didn't die4. Why didn't Peter fly himself away?5. No one saw Sylar drag himself away? Seriously? You've all been pursuing and or frightened of this guy for weeks and you don't notice him dragging his eviscerated body 20 feet to a manhole cover?All in all - weak, weak, weak and weak. It's like they tried to wrap everything up faster than the pace they set in setting everything up. Pretty disapointed.ETA: 6. Shapeshifter shifting to her fake shape and not her fat shape.

1. Hiro can teleport and freeze time, think his father has the same or similar abilities? I do, I think they trained in essentially a "time vacuum".2. I think he had no real belief that Hiro could do anything. More of an arrogance thing on Sylar's part.3. High Caliber????? Do you know if Slyar can "fire" them at the same velocity as a gun? I don't think they are as serious as it was made to be.4. Only explanation is Peter has confidence in himself until someone else is at stake.5. I think someone dragged him, invisible guy, the scarier than the boogie man guy...who knows.6. Supposition on your part.BTW I think Mama Petreilli's power is the power to influence/compel. She almost ALWAYS touches Nathan and then he would do what she wanted, very hesitant until she touches him. Also what happened with the Haitian?

If 1. is true then it would have been very easy for the writers to show this without leaving us all 2. Sylar already though he could overcome Hiro when he challenged him to freeze time before he killed Ando. He would have learned his lesson then. Even if he was overconfident to not flinch at all when someone is running at you with a 4 foot dai-katana is ridiculous.3. So a guy that can throw someone across a square, or telikinetically make a point sharp enough to cut through a skully can't accelerate some giant lead slugs hard enough to kill someone?4. I'm willing to let 4 go with the assumption that, Peter just couldn't control his powers5. Good thought. I hope that's true. Nonetheless, no one noticed?6. Supposition based on the writers leading the viewer by the nose to that supposition. As I said earlier, I don't think these writers have the subtlety to insert those comments and then have it all boil down to a false self-image problem

1. I wasn't confused...I thought it was fairly obvious. I am an avid comic reader though.2. I still think it revolved around arrogance and not believe Hiro could actually do it. Teleporting out of loft wasn't exactly an aggressive move by Hiro, but a defensive/cowardly move. Grabs Ando and then leaves without facing him shows lack of resolve.3. Nope. Force is one thing, ability to accelerate a small object faster than the speed of sound is another.5. At that point everyone was watching Nathan and Peter fly to see what happened as they were all concerned about Peter.6.Could be, could be a possum situation when she knew she was out matched. She could be the one that saves Sylar.

These are some huge reaches. You have to have enough self-awareness to realize that, no?

This is a Comic Book TV Show. These reaches are regular things in the comics......

Some of them are not all. Comics take their time to reach their desire conclusion. They don't massage inconsistent plot lines into the story in order to get to the climactic moment quicker. And then, when they do reach that climactic moment, they pay off big time. This didn't do that.I understand the comic fans desire to defend the show since it's the only thing that comes close to the genre they like on television. However, sometimes a fanboy is a fanboy and can't see the forrest through the trees.

Not true, I see it for what it is. A TV show that is an outgrowth from Comics. This is not Grade A scifi here, it's mutants and has some serious Comic influences. And you must not read comics or you would understand that inconsistent plot lines and creating plot holes to reach the deadline happen frequently. And comics RARELY pay off big time at the end book. See my post about the last 3 MAJOR cross book arcs from DC and Marvel. DC has essentially wiped a year off the books for their 3 major characters (Batman, WW, Superman) and may not get to telling what happened in that missing year. Their follow up series 52 was supposed to explain everything, but well we really can't so we are going to do another series Countdown to explain that, but in reality countdown is just a way to bring some major villains back into the universe. Marvel's Civil War was even worse. The three most powerful characters in the universe were conveniently off world for this so called Civil War because there was no way to explain how they would let the "registration" side win if they were on planet. So comics are actually worse at plot lines and holes and inconsistency in major arcs than this show was.

 

[buddyboy]

It will be interesting to see how well Hero's sells when it becomes available on DVD

http://www.dvdreview.com/news/viewnews.asp?id=9348

 

[toshiba]

Don't give me that rolleyes ####. That's a cop out too. Look - just because you have a fantastic setting does not mean that you can't leave giant plot holes lying around, embrace bad writing or inconsitencies. Look at George RR Martin's books. As fantastical as it gets, yet the writing is solid, plot hole free and the characters are as deep and textured as any you will find in literature.

The story is not complete, how can you call your impatience be a plot hole?

 

[Verbal Kint]

While I agree with everyone regarding letting Sylar crawl (or get dragged) away, a nuclear bomb did just explode in the sky. So it is somewhat plausible for the Heroes attention to be diverted for a bit.

I have a few questions:

1. Why were the streets empty the entire episode? (Is this a comic book thing?)

2. What flashed in Sylar's eyes after he was stabbed and what is the significance?

3. People keep talking about Peter's dream and where he got the power, doesn't Suresh have this power?

1. Typically yes.2. I think he was seeing the future, Isaacs' powers.

3. I don't think it was Suresh, it was that little boy that was able to enter Suresh's dreams.

Are you talking about right before he said "It turns out your the villian Pete"? I thought the flash in his eyes was the reflection from Peter's glowing hands.

 

[GoL]

I am not a comic book fan and if these endings are typical I can see why.

As for Hiro's training I think those arguing that he stopped time to train forget an important plot point. Ando got tired of waiting and left to take care of business himself. Why would he do that if time was frozen.

 

[meeka]

While I agree with everyone regarding letting Sylar crawl (or get dragged) away, a nuclear bomb did just explode in the sky. So it is somewhat plausible for the Heroes attention to be diverted for a bit.

I have a few questions:

1. Why were the streets empty the entire episode? (Is this a comic book thing?)

2. What flashed in Sylar's eyes after he was stabbed and what is the significance?

3. People keep talking about Peter's dream and where he got the power, doesn't Suresh have this power?

1. Typically yes.2. I think he was seeing the future, Isaacs' powers.

3. I don't think it was Suresh, it was that little boy that was able to enter Suresh's dreams.

Are you talking about right before he said "It turns out your the villian Pete"? I thought the flash in his eyes was the reflection from Peter's glowing hands.

No, I think he meant while Sylar was laying on the ground about to "die". It was several rapid-fire images with the final image himself at that actual point in time bleeding to on the ground. Did not catch any of the other images.

 

[Dave Baker]

To everybody defending last night's episode - Do you really think that was a good finale? Seriously? I like this show but the way they wrapped it up sucked large donkey dong.

I thought it was great. I enjoyed it all year long and wasn't really disappointed at all. When it was over, my wife and I looked at each other and said that was great.I admit when there was only 20 minutes left, and then 10, without everything in place, I was a little anxious and wish they had spent another hour on that last 10 minutes, but to me that's being a little picky.But I thought it was a great finale. Then again, watching a show like Heroes, I know better than to think too hard about the little stuff. I just go with the flow and try to have a good time. I had one last night.

 

[Alias]

A lot of QQ-ing going on in this thread, I liked it

 

[Bill Brasky]

Anyone notice at the beginning when they were going through the ending scenes from last week that they inserted dialog that wasn’t there where Nikki questioned why DL didn’t just let the bullet go through them? Writers trolling message boards and seeing people #####ing about that possibly?

 

[Joseph]

Anyone notice at the beginning when they were going through the ending scenes from last week that they inserted dialog that wasn’t there where Nikki questioned why DL didn’t just let the bullet go through them? Writers trolling message boards and seeing people #####ing about that possibly?

maybe, but they definitely had it filmed before. Dialog probably got left on the cutting room floor for time constraints, but they snuck it in this week anyway.

 

[Gamblor]

To everybody defending last night's episode - Do you really think that was a good finale? Seriously? I like this show but the way they wrapped it up sucked large donkey dong.

I agree the episode wasnt nearly as good as it could have been. Very anti climatic. I do think its silly to blame it on the "plot issues" last night though, as these same issues have existed all season long. I blame it more on the sudden ending... All season built up to a 2 minute fist fight and flight into the atmosphere. thats where the main problem lies.

 

[Gamblor]

The fist fight was rather lame. You need to kill the guy, yet you stand there giving him an old fashioned beat down with your fists instead of using your powers to give him a whooping?



The Nicki save was lame too and rather unnecessary. Sylar pulled the Vader choke on Peter once already, but Peter still stood there and let him do it again. As mentioned above with the Hiro charge, there is no way Sylar would let Nicki get that close to him.

I actually liked the Nikki save. I was expecting the good guys to all contribute, and that was the one instance where it came together. I don't count Hiro's strike, because it was so completely lame. But what I was most disappointed with was that Peter didn't use any of his powers in the battle.

I don't understand how someone with super strength (Nikki), punching you with all her might, doesn't rip your damn head off. Candace should be dead, and Sylar should have had a detached skull.

why do you assume she was punching with all her might? For someone that claims to be the comic book king, how many times have you seen the likes of superman, the thing, the hulk, Colossus, Popeye, Mighty Mouse etc knock someones head off with their super strength?

I'm pretty sure Parkman is still alive. He may die, but when they put him in the ambulance he was still alive. They had him hooked up to an IV with the bag in his lap. Agree with what was posted earlier that if he was dead, they would not be putting him in the ambulance.

To clarify, I think the person said they'd be zipping up a body bag or have a sheet over his face.Either way, they wouldn't be hooking him up to an IV and treating him that way if he was already dead. We will open next year with him recuperating in a hospital bed and he'll be back on his feet and in the action within two or three episodes - because all you need is a few days to recover from four gunshot wounds to the chest.

He's a cop. I assume he was wearing a vest.

He was no longer a cop, he was bleeding from all four holes, and I am sure Stlar could have thrown the bullets with sufficient force to pierce any vest.PLEASE stop trying to make this anything more than a comic book. I can argue against comic book logic all day long.

See above

 

[Lurking]

Anyone notice at the beginning when they were going through the ending scenes from last week that they inserted dialog that wasn’t there where Nikki questioned why DL didn’t just let the bullet go through them? Writers trolling message boards and seeing people #####ing about that possibly?

Wasn't DL blocking the bullet from hitting Nikki? If that was the case, he wouldn't want the bullet to go through him.

 

[shadyridr]

Anyone notice at the beginning when they were going through the ending scenes from last week that they inserted dialog that wasn’t there where Nikki questioned why DL didn’t just let the bullet go through them? Writers trolling message boards and seeing people #####ing about that possibly?

Wasn't DL blocking the bullet from hitting Nikki? If that was the case, he wouldn't want the bullet to go through him.

Just by touching her he can make the bullet go through them.

 

[SkyRattlers]

Anyone notice at the beginning when they were going through the ending scenes from last week that they inserted dialog that wasn’t there where Nikki questioned why DL didn’t just let the bullet go through them? Writers trolling message boards and seeing people #####ing about that possibly?

Wasn't DL blocking the bullet from hitting Nikki? If that was the case, he wouldn't want the bullet to go through him.

Yeah but he is able to phase other people by touching them. He brought himself and Nikki through the walls to get into Linderman's office. If he phased both of them then Linderman wouldn't have been able to harm either one of them.

 

[Lurking]

While I agree with everyone regarding letting Sylar crawl (or get dragged) away, a nuclear bomb did just explode in the sky. So it is somewhat plausible for the Heroes attention to be diverted for a bit.

I have a few questions:

1. Why were the streets empty the entire episode? (Is this a comic book thing?)

2. What flashed in Sylar's eyes after he was stabbed and what is the significance?

3. People keep talking about Peter's dream and where he got the power, doesn't Suresh have this power?

1. Typically yes.2. I think he was seeing the future, Isaacs' powers.

3. I don't think it was Suresh, it was that little boy that was able to enter Suresh's dreams.

Are you talking about right before he said "It turns out your the villian Pete"? I thought the flash in his eyes was the reflection from Peter's glowing hands.

No, I think he meant while Sylar was laying on the ground about to "die". It was several rapid-fire images with the final image himself at that actual point in time bleeding to on the ground. Did not catch any of the other images.

Yeah, I was wondering if the images went past the point of the bomb going off, leading us to believe he is still alive.