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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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With under 40 days left, Hillary's team better feel like they need to win the narrative every single day. At some point she needs to pivot out of attack Trump mode and into Presidential providing solutions mode. It's not enough to just vote against Trump, there's only so much of that sentiment that will get people motivated. They need to highlight the platform, because it's not going to happen by a whole bunch more people "liking" Hillary, she's eminently unlikable.

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
With under 40 days left, Hillary's team better feel like they need to win the narrative every single day. At some point she needs to pivot out of attack Trump mode and into Presidential providing solutions mode. It's not enough to just vote against Trump, there's only so much of that sentiment that will get people motivated. They need to highlight the platform, because it's not going to happen by a whole bunch more people "liking" Hillary, she's eminently unlikable.
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Part of why I think she was so effective in the debate was because she let Trump jack hole himself and contrasted him with substance.  She must play to that strength and stop the playground fighting.  

 
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I am guessing that since the Huffington Post is accepted as gospel by some here...Rush should be welcomed  as gospel for the other side.

I seriously doubt the the Hillary supporters here will even listen but this link because of the source but will still respond.

Why is she not ahead at all?

Why am I not 50 pts ahead?

 
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Cross-posted from Trump thread:

Not sure if they any different from usual programming, but separate two hour specials on Trump (All Business) and Clinton (Unfinished Business) on CNN tonight. Also, I think DD mentioned The Choice was good, a 2 hour Frontline doc on PBS, and that is being re-aired tomorrow (I think KOCE channel 50 on DirecTV in LA).

* Also the John Oliver season premier last Sunday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Lfd1aB9YI 

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
With under 40 days left, Hillary's team better feel like they need to win the narrative every single day. At some point she needs to pivot out of attack Trump mode and into Presidential providing solutions mode. It's not enough to just vote against Trump, there's only so much of that sentiment that will get people motivated. They need to highlight the platform, because it's not going to happen by a whole bunch more people "liking" Hillary, she's eminently unlikable.
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She's been highlighting the platform all along. It's up to the media to cover it. Today she's in Florida giving a speech about her plans for national service. 

Also, in the wake of the debate, her likability numbers have gone up a little. 

 
Bob Magaw said:
Cross-posted from Trump thread:

Not sure if they any different from usual programming, but separate two hour specials on Trump (All Business) and Clinton (Unfinished Business) on CNN tonight. Also, I think DD mentioned The Choice was good, a 2 hour Frontline doc on PBS, and that is being re-aired tomorrow (I think KOCE channel 50 on DirecTV in LA).

* Also the John Oliver season premier last Sunday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Lfd1aB9YI 
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I'll DVR that Frontline, thanks.

 
Bob Magaw said:
Cross-posted from Trump thread:

Not sure if they any different from usual programming, but separate two hour specials on Trump (All Business) and Clinton (Unfinished Business) on CNN tonight. Also, I think DD mentioned The Choice was good, a 2 hour Frontline doc on PBS, and that is being re-aired tomorrow (I think KOCE channel 50 on DirecTV in LA).

* Also the John Oliver season premier last Sunday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Lfd1aB9YI 
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I've seen the CNN specials.  They are pretty much two-hour biographies of the candidates.  Not a whole lot of new or revelatory material in them.  However, I did notice a sharp difference in interview subjects.  In the Clinton one, at just about each stage of life they had an interviewee who became friends with Hillary at that time and still seem to know her well.  In the Trump one, they relied on New York journalists and people who had worked for Trump.  It was like Trump either didn't have any friends, or CNN didn't want to normalize him by putting his friends on camera.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
I've seen the CNN specials.  They are pretty much two-hour biographies of the candidates.  Not a whole lot of new or revelatory material in them.  However, I did notice a sharp difference in interview subjects.  In the Clinton one, at just about each stage of life they had an interviewee who became friends with Hillary at that time and still seem to know her well.  In the Trump one, they relied on New York journalists and people who had worked for Trump.  It was like Trump either didn't have any friends, or CNN didn't want to normalize him by putting his friends on camera.
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Trump has conceded that other than his adult children he has no real friends.

 
As far as future debate strategy, if Trump brings up Bill Clinton's indiscretions, can't she just either ignore it (since, you know, she can, and doesn't have to get compulsively defensive like Trump), say she isn't going to dignify it with a response, she isn't going to roll around in the mud with him as much as he would like to, etc. Why answer it at all and fight on ground of his choosing. Make him fight on her ground, temperment, policy, nutter birtherism, racism, sexism, anti-global warming, lying about being against the Iraq war, etc., etc., etc.

 
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Bob Magaw said:
As far as future debate strategy, if Trump brings up Bill Clinton's indiscretions, can't she just either ignore it (since, you know, she can, and doesn't have to get compulsively defensive like Trump), say she isn't going to dignify it with a response, she isn't going to roll around in the mud with him as much as he would like to, etc. Why answer it at all and fight on ground of his choosing. Make him fight on her ground, policy, nutter birtherism, racism, sexism, anti-global warming, etc., etc., etc.
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I'm sure she has a remark prepared for anything she throws at her.  She won't answer the question but will instead say something that makes him look bad for asking.

 
Mr. Ham said:
Trump has conceded that other than his adult children he has no real friends.
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On his deathbed he's going to mutter 'Rosebud'.

“I don’t suppose anybody ever had so many opinions. But he never believed in anything except Donald Trump. He never had a conviction except Donald Trump in his life.”

 
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cstu said:
On his deathbed he's going to mutter 'Rosebud'.

“I don’t suppose anybody ever had so many opinions. But he never believed in anything except Donald Trump. He never had a conviction except Donald Trump in his life.”
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Whatever he has must be a diagnosable personality disorder.  He has the political form of whatever the Kardasians have.  Unfortunately it's financially lucrative for each of them.  

 
Mr. Ham said:
Whatever he has must be a diagnosable personality disorder.  He has the political form of whatever the Kardasians have.  Unfortunately it's financially lucrative for each of them.  
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I heard some Psych guy diagnose him as narcissistic, which is blindingly obvious. Come to think of it, might have been Bill Maher. What else? Could really just browse the DSM-III and dog-ear pages as you go.

 
bud29 said:
GOP: The party of the future!

:oldunsure:  
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The demographics currently work in the GOP's favor moving forward.  We are seeing an emerging trend where 3rd generation latinos are voting republican.  There is no single brighter trend for the GOP than that.  It means that latinos are assimilating and shifting further to the right with each generation.  The democrats are currently enjoying a bump in polling because the bulk of the latino vote is second generation.  With each passing election, third generation latinos will become an ever increasing share of the total latino vote, meaning the latino vote is only moving to the right from here on out. And THAT has some startling outcomes like California becoming a republican state in a few decades.  It means Texas may never turn fully blue (or if it does, it won't stay blue for long before it goes purple and then red again).  

There will be an election in 20 or 30 years where the republicans will win 49 states again.  The democrats will never get there.

We couldn't really be sure but now that we can see how third generation latinos are voting, we can safely say that The United States of America will be a conservative country in the 21st century.  That is absolutely certain.  We know this because in polling data, third generation latinos are rejecting big government.  They are embracing limited government.

 
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Riversco said:
The demographics currently work in the GOP's favor moving forward.  We are seeing an emerging trend where 3rd generation latinos are voting republican.  There is no single brighter trend for the GOP than that.  It means that latinos are assimilating and shifting further to the right with each generation.  The democrats are currently enjoying a bump in polling because the bulk of the latino vote is second generation.  With each passing election, third generation latinos will become an ever increasing share of the total latino vote, meaning the latino vote is only moving to the right from here on out. And THAT has some startling outcomes like California becoming a republican state in a few decades.  It means Texas may never turn fully blue (or if it does, it won't stay blue for long before it goes purple and then red again).  

There will be an election in 20 or 30 years where the republicans will win 49 states again.  The democrats will never get there.

We couldn't really be sure but now that we can see how third generation latinos are voting, we can safely say that The United States of America will be a conservative country in the 21st century.  That is absolutely certain.  We know this because in polling data, third generation latinos are rejecting big government.  They are embracing limited government.
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We can safely say that anyone who believes that is one taco short of a combination plate.

 
squistion said:
We can safely say that anyone who believes that is one taco short of a combination plate.
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What data do you have to back up the idea that it won't happen?  We have data that clearly shows third generation latinos are voting republican.  Why do you think that is wrong?  

 
Riversco said:
What data do you have to back up the idea that it won't happen?  We have data that clearly shows third generation latinos are voting republican.  Why do you think that is wrong?  
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Is your data the 2012 data where 35% (I think it was) third generation and beyond voted for Romney versus 18% overall.  i.e. twice as likely to vote GOP than the overall population?   Or maybe the 2014 California polling where only 58% of third generation were for "big government" versus somewhere in the 70%?   If so there is a tiny problem with your thesis.

 
pecorino said:
I heard some Psych guy diagnose him as narcissistic, which is blindingly obvious. Come to think of it, might have been Bill Maher. What else? Could really just browse the DSM-III and dog-ear pages as you go.
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A lot of people are narcissistic, especially those in entertainment, but what makes Trump scary is that he also has sociopathic tendencies. 

 
Clinton needs to stop going negative and focus on what she is going to do. Neither one is appealing but by now everybody knows what both are. Trump is winning votes because all he talks about is the economy, jobs, treaties renegotiated and plans.   Clinton needs to convince people to vote for her...not to vote against Trump and she may be losing that battle right now. If Michael Moore says Hillary is in trouble that is not good.

 
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Bob Magaw said:
As far as future debate strategy, if Trump brings up Bill Clinton's indiscretions, can't she just either ignore it (since, you know, she can, and doesn't have to get compulsively defensive like Trump), say she isn't going to dignify it with a response, she isn't going to roll around in the mud with him as much as he would like to, etc. Why answer it at all and fight on ground of his choosing. Make him fight on her ground, temperment, policy, nutter birtherism, racism, sexism, anti-global warming, lying about being against the Iraq war, etc., etc., etc.
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Some of those topics aren't going to help Hillary if she brings them up. I.e. Birthirism, racism, sexism, etc. It makes her look like she's playing dirty, and also at the end of the last debate, the panel one of the stations had, said nobody heard anything of substance to make them either switch or confirm their votes. People really do want to hear about the issues right from the horse's mouth now, because MSM has been covering every topic but.

 
Ok so Trump people are deplorables, Mexicans are taco bowls, and now millenials are basement dwellers. From the witch that is afraid to say "radical islam" in fear of offending, she clearly doesn't think too highly of most Americans. 

 
It's easy to "destroy" someone when you're not actually running.  

The idea that Kasich, Rubio or Sanders would be running some sort of Nirvana campaign is kind of silly.  No one gets through a campaign without making mistakes, and you can get away with a lot in a primary that won't fly nationwide.

Kasich would have been a tough out for sure, but he was a dead man walking in the primary from day one.

Rubio is a lightweight today (with long-term upside to be sure) and probably would have looked like one more days than not vs Clinton.

Sanders got trounced by Clinton -- despite the fact that she's got a lot of weaknesses.  And he wouldn't be able to lean on caucuses in the general.  Also, "Socialist".

 
avoiding injuries said:
Hillary says Bernie supporters live in their parent's basement? Was this discussed here, didn't see it on the last two pages, but I have a lot of people ignored. 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-supporters-audio-leak-228997
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"Wet blanket on idealism."

- So she does have some self-awareness, remarkable.

As for her description of Sanders supporters:

- So they're baristas and slackers living in their parents' basements. Well there goes the awareness. It's like some caricature. 

- When are politicians going to learn to stop making generalizations about voting blocks in percentage terms? And when do they learn these private fundraisers are not really entirely private in the technology age?

Newsflash: Hillary's political instincts are awful.

 
The basement comment was unfortunate. But did any of you read the rest of the article? She I wasn't critical of millennials- in fact she expresses empathy for them. And her analysis of the election cycle, with both parties moving towards extremism, was dead on. 

 
Da Guru said:
Clinton needs to stop going negative and focus on what she is going to do. Neither one is appealing but by now everybody knows what both are. Trump is winning votes because all he talks about is the economy, jobs, treaties renegotiated and plans.   Clinton needs to convince people to vote for her...not to vote against Trump and she may be losing that battle right now. If Michael Moore says Hillary is in trouble that is not good.
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Is this shtick? All Trump talks about is the economy? Do you read the news? 

 
Go Gowdy.  And this doesn't even consider the Reddit revelations that there was an active effort to destroy evidence, or the contents of what was destroyed and why.

https://youtu.be/39ZD5yin3jI

Fortunately, Gowdy will not let this go.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
It's easy to "destroy" someone when you're not actually running.  

The idea that Kasich, Rubio or Sanders would be running some sort of Nirvana campaign is kind of silly.  No one gets through a campaign without making mistakes, and you can get away with a lot in a primary that won't fly nationwide.

Kasich would have been a tough out for sure, but he was a dead man walking in the primary from day one.

Rubio is a lightweight today (with long-term upside to be sure) and probably would have looked like one more days than not vs Clinton.

Sanders got trounced by Clinton -- despite the fact that she's got a lot of weaknesses.  And he wouldn't be able to lean on caucuses in the general.  Also, "Socialist".
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Other candidates make one misstep and it sinks them. 

Gary Hart got caught with a woman. 

Dukakis took a ride in a tank. 

Kerry made the statement "I was for it before I was against it"

Trump keeps doing thing after thing that would sink anyone else but he's Teflon. It would take too long to list them all. It's fascinating to me. 

 
NREC34 said:
Other candidates make one misstep and it sinks them. 

Gary Hart got caught with a woman. 

Dukakis took a ride in a tank. 

Kerry made the statement "I was for it before I was against it"

Trump keeps doing thing after thing that would sink anyone else but he's Teflon. It would take too long to list them all. It's fascinating to me. 
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Something has broken badly in the way we communicate and process information.  Email scandal would have sunk Hillary 15 years ago.  Too many drivers to single one out, but this election cycle is a symptom of a broader disease.  

 
Da Guru said:
Clinton needs to stop going negative and focus on what she is going to do. Neither one is appealing but by now everybody knows what both are. Trump is winning votes because all he talks about is the economy, jobs, treaties renegotiated and plans.   Clinton needs to convince people to vote for her...not to vote against Trump and she may be losing that battle right now. If Michael Moore says Hillary is in trouble that is not good.
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I would like to have some of what you are smoking

 
Mr. Ham said:
Something has broken badly in the way we communicate and process information.  Email scandal would have sunk Hillary 15 years ago.  Too many drivers to single one out, but this election cycle is a symptom of a broader disease.  
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There would probably not have been a witch hunt 15 years ago. And no, it would not have sunk her just like it is not sinking her now, despite the absurd full court press from the Republican powers that be in recent years to paint her as evil with bogus accusations and innuendo. Granted, many of them are voting for her now that Frankentrump is on the loose but that's neither here nor there.

 
Apple Jack said:
There would probably not have been a witch hunt 15 years ago. And no, it would not have sunk her just like it is not sinking her now, despite the absurd full court press from the Republican powers that be in recent years to paint her as evil with bogus accusations and innuendo. Granted, many of them are voting for her now that Frankentrump is on the loose but that's neither here nor there.
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:lmao:  OMG 

 
timschochet said:
The basement comment was unfortunate. But did any of you read the rest of the article? She I wasn't critical of millennials- in fact she expresses empathy for them. And her analysis of the election cycle, with both parties moving towards extremism, was dead on. 
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It was a derisive caricature.

 
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