Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (3 Viewers)

[Politician Spock]

Really? What he wrote seems fairly consistent with his world view. IMO. (I agree that it's nonsense.)

Tim, if I believed people were as good as you think they are, then we wouldn't need laws. I know we have laws because people are not as good as you assume them to be. And not only are there people who break those laws, but there are also people who toe the line of those laws as much as possible. Hillary is one or the other. I really don't care which one she is. The fact that she is either is enough for me to loathe her as president. 

 

[[scooter]]

Hillary would have been better off pleading guilty to a misdemeanor and paying a $500 fine.

 

[timschochet]

Hillary would have been better off pleading guilty to a misdemeanor and paying a $500 fine.

It wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference. The more reasonable of the haters would have used it as proof of her corruption (as they did when Bill had his bar suspended.) The more conspiracy minded would have called it a whitewash. Nobody's mind would have been changed.

I'm convinced that about only 20% of the animus against Hillary is based on stuff she actually may have done, and we can argue all day how much of this is deserved. The other 80% is an irrational hatred. You'll never get rid of it. But she's never let it stop her.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference. The more reasonable of the haters would have used it as proof of her corruption (as they did when Bill had his bar suspended.) The more conspiracy minded would have called it a whitewash. Nobody's mind would have been changed.

I'm convinced that about only 20% of the animus against Hillary is based on stuff she actually may have done, and we can argue all day how much of this is deserved. The other 80% is an irrational hatred. You'll never get rid of it. But she's never let it stop her.

You know absolutely nothing about the rules of handling classified information but you're 100% convinced you know everything.  And you want to educate people to allow them to vote.  

 

[tommyGunZ]

Really? What he wrote seems fairly consistent with his world view. IMO. (I agree that it's nonsense.)

I knew Spock was a conservative, but I thought he was more on the thoughtful, IK level.  Apparently he's mouth breather in Jim11 mold.  I'll ignore his posts moving forward.

 

[Politician Spock]

I'm convinced that about only 20% of the animus against Hillary is based on stuff she actually may have done, and we can argue all day how much of this is deserved. The other 80% is an irrational hatred. You'll never get rid of it. But she's never let it stop her.

I agree with this. Really have no argument against it at all.

But this isn't unique to Hillary. Anyone in the public spotlight who has done things wrong as been met with irrational responses. 

 

[Mister CIA]

I knew Spock was a conservative, but I thought he was more on the thoughtful, IK level.  Apparently he's mouth breather in Jim11 mold.  I'll ignore his posts moving forward.

Not one of your strengths.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Tim, if I believed people were as good as you think they are, then we wouldn't need laws. I know we have laws because people are not as good as you assume them to be. And not only are there people who break those laws, but there are also people who toe the line of those laws as much as possible. Hillary is one or the other. I really don't care which one she is. The fact that she is either is enough for me to loathe her as president. 

Obama's unwillingness to venture into the gray areas might be one of his weaknesses*.   Being comfortable, but legally navigating in these gray areas would seem to be a liability if a president had a non obstructionist Congress negotiating to get things done, but in the circumstance that I suspect to find in January I think this is a necessary quality.    

*I certainly expect to see his list of executive orders as a counter argument to this, especially with immigration issues, but that misses the point - oh well!  

 

[RandyDB]

To be honest tgunz, I've rarely read anything from you I didn't think was nonsense. I'm being 100% serious. I see you post in a thread and I think "oh god  ". Sometimes you post something good, but it's rare. 

this is true of 95% of the posts here.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

this is true of 95% of the posts here.

No...he's exactly right. 

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I knew Spock was a conservative, but I thought he was more on the thoughtful, IK level.  Apparently he's mouth breather in Jim11 mold.  I'll ignore his posts moving forward.

mouth breather?

 

[BeaverCleaver]

It wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference. The more reasonable of the haters would have used it as proof of her corruption (as they did when Bill had his bar suspended.) The more conspiracy minded would have called it a whitewash. Nobody's mind would have been changed.

I'm convinced that about only 20% of the animus against Hillary is based on stuff she actually may have done, and we can argue all day how much of this is deserved. The other 80% is an irrational hatred. You'll never get rid of it. But she's never let it stop her.

So the people that have issues with Hillary and won't vote for her are irrational? Irrational like those that think Trump would create a dictatorship?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Hillary is an overwhelming favorite to win. Based on what we know today here are some things I think will happen:

1. There will be record turnout

2. Hillary will win by double digit margins. 

3. The Senate will flip and the House will either flip or come close to flipping

This could change based on stuff we don't yet, like a Sanders independent run or she gets indicted. And yeah she's not a great candidate but she's running against probably the worst major-party candidate in history. 

Still feeling pretty good about these. 

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

So the people that have issues with Hillary and won't vote for her are irrational?

Of course not!  Some are simply deplorable. 

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Of course not!  Some are simply deplorable. 

You forgot they are mouth breathers too.

 

[James Daulton]

To be honest tgunz, I've rarely read anything from you I didn't think was nonsense. I'm being 100% serious. I see you post in a thread and I think "oh god  ". Sometimes you post something good, but it's rare. 

This board is one of the few places on the internet where people of dissenting opinions are almost always still civil and respectful to each other.  Hopefully posts like the one above are not going to become the norm. 

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

You forgot they are mouth breathers too.

Allergy season is six weeks late this year so this goes without saying.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Allergy season is six weeks late this year so this goes without saying.

I hope your breathing problems get better.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

This board is one of the few places on the internet where people of dissenting opinions are almost always still civil and respectful to each other.  Hopefully posts like the one above are not going to become the norm. 

Are you kidding? I suggest you read the comments in the Trump thread from the Anti Trump crowd and report back.

 

[James Daulton]

Are you kidding? I suggest you read the comments in the Trump thread from the Anti Trump crowd and report back.

I don't recall this level of douchery in that thread.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I don't recall this level of douchery in that thread.

I suggest you go catch up.

 

[Politician Spock]

So the people that have issues with Hillary and won't vote for her are irrational? Irrational like those that think Trump would create a dictatorship?

In 2008, if you didn't like Obama, you were a racist.

In 2016, if you don't like Hillary, you are a conspiracy theorist. 

Those who categorize others who disagree with them like that are no better than racists. At least 3 or 4 people in this thread do it. If I'm a ##### for pointing them out, I don't care. Someone has to offset that ridiculous categorization they do, and Tim is the worst of them. 

 

[Henry Ford]

I suggest you go catch up.

To be fair, there was some good discussion in Trump threads before Trump supporters started touting the idea of white genocide.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

To be fair, there was some good discussion in Trump threads before Trump supporters started touting the idea of white genocide.

Well IMO that happened when they started losibg the discussion on legitimate grounds. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

This board is one of the few places on the internet where people of dissenting opinions are almost always still civil and respectful to each other.  Hopefully posts like the one above are not going to become the norm. 

LOL.  Gunz starts it with his arrogant, condescending tone towards everyone on the other side of the aisle from him.  He's anything but civil and respectful.

 

[[scooter]]

This board is one of the few places on the internet where people of dissenting opinions are almost always still civil and respectful to each other.  Hopefully posts like the one above are not going to become the norm. 

LOL.  Gunz starts it with his arrogant, condescending tone towards everyone on the other side of the aisle from him.  He's anything but civil and respectful.

Maybe stop whining about the other side and start presenting facts and evidence to support your own side.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Maybe stop whining about the other side and start presenting facts and evidence to support your own side.

My comment was a direct fact; not whining about the other side.  How much evidence do you need that Gunz is arrogant and condescending?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I hope your breathing problems get better.

Thanks.  Appreciate the thought.  

You are opening doors pretty wide though...

 

[Dedfin]

My comment was a direct fact; not whining about the other side.  How much evidence do you need that Gunz is arrogant and condescending?

I think he's cool

 

[[scooter]]

Maybe stop whining about the other side and start presenting facts and evidence to support your own side.

My comment was a direct fact; not whining about the other side.  How much evidence do you need that Gunz is arrogant and condescending?

TrumpFacts™

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

TrumpFacts™

This must be an example of the civil, respectful discourse James Daulton was referring to?

 

[Politician Spock]

My comment was a direct fact; not whining about the other side.  How much evidence do you need that Gunz is arrogant and condescending?

People see what they want to see. Tgunz called my response to Tim nonsense. I in return called nearly all of tgunz's posts nonsense. And tgunz friends go 

 

[[scooter]]

People see what they want to see. Tgunz called my response to Tim nonsense. I in return called nearly all of tgunz's posts nonsense. And tgunz friends go

Apparently the difference is that one statement is a fact and the other is merely an opinion.

Which is which depends on which side you're on.

 

[Politician Spock]

Apparently the difference is that one statement is a fact and the other is merely an opinion.

Which is which depends on which side you're on.

Gunz starting it with his arrogant, condescending tone is a fact.

 

[James Daulton]

People see what they want to see. Tgunz called my response to Tim nonsense. I in return called nearly all of tgunz's posts nonsense. And tgunz friends go 

Gunz's post was not dickish.  Yours was.  If your goal was to come across as a #### you did.  

 

[[scooter]]

TrumpFacts™

This must be an example of the civil, respectful discourse James Daulton was referring to?

Your head is so far up Hillary's ### you can almost kiss Tim by now.

Hillary is a hypocritical, lying, cheating, POS.  But we all knew that already.

Hillary Clinton has killed people

ad infinitum

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Gunz's post was not dickish.  Yours was.  If your goal was to come across as a #### you did.  

Yeah, referring to someone's post as nonsense isn't a dickish, passive-aggressive way to express his disagreement.  

 

[Politician Spock]

Gunz's post was not dickish.  Yours was.  If your goal was to come across as a #### you did.  

I gave him back what he gave me. Funny that his friends can't take what he dishes out. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

ad infinitum

One of those is uncivil, discourse.  Two are mere opinions that get your panties in a bunch because you disagree with them.  That's fine, I never claimed I was above the fray.  All these political threads are full of opinions similar to mine and much worse.  I'm sure you have your share too.

 

[James Daulton]

You can put all the stupid laughing emoticons you want.  Nonsense is a perfectly civil word.  Particularly in the way Gunz framed the sentence.  

 

[James Daulton]

I gave him back what he gave me. Funny that his friends can't take what he dishes out. 

He said most of your posts sucked?  I must have missed that part.  

 

[Politician Spock]

He said most of your posts sucked?  I must have missed that part.  

I didn't say most of his post suck either. I said they were nonsense. You said "nonsense is a perfectly civil word" in your post directly above this one. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

You can put all the stupid laughing emoticons you want.  Nonsense is a perfectly civil word.  Particularly in the way Gunz framed the sentence.  

No it isn't but like this entire thread that all depends on which side of the aisle you're own.

 

[James Daulton]

To be honest tgunz, I've rarely read anything from you I didn't think was nonsense. I'm being 100% serious. I see you post in a thread and I think "oh god  ". Sometimes you post something good, but it's rare. 

You think this post is equal in dickishness to this post?  Whatever, I was just pointing out that in general the FFA is a fairly respectful place for the internet. 

I knew Spock was a conservative, but I thought he was more on the thoughtful, IK level.  Apparently he's mouth breather in Jim11 mold.  I'll ignore his posts moving forward.

 

[Politician Spock]

You think this post is equal in dickishness to this post?  Whatever, I was just pointing out that in general the FFA is a fairly respectful place for the internet. 

that's not the tgunz post I responded to. 

 

[James Daulton]

that's not the tgunz post I responded to. 

You're right, the post you were responding to was more respectful.  

 

[Politician Spock]

You're right, the post you were responding to was more respectful.  

This is just silly.  Disappointed to read this from you James; I've disagreed with you over the years but I didn't figure you for this type of nonsense.

 

[James Daulton]

This is just silly.  Disappointed to read this from you James; I've disagreed with you over the years but I didn't figure you for this type of nonsense.

Ok I laughed. 

 

[Dedfin]

I don't think either person calling what the other said as nonsensical was over the line.  I always thought Wreck was cool too.   

 

[jon_mx]

You ####### ####ers!  Can't we all ####### get along ####ers.