squistion
Footballguy
Yeah, right. Like you are through posting in this thread unless it is in response to someone else.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Since Election Day yeah. ETA we did have a discussion on post mortum but largely since that I've been dormant.Yeah,right. Like you are through posting in this thread unless it is in response to someone else.
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Where is squis' hypocrisy? I don't see him outraged about this.
Conversely, those of you outraged about potential conflicts from the Clinton charity don't seem to be bothered by potential conflicts where the money would go directly into Trump's pockets. That's hypocrisy.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I said last night that I would be very comfortable with Trump being impeached over this.
Edit: Actually, squiz refuses to say whether he has a problem with Trump pocketing money from foreign interests. Just like he refuses to say whether he has a problem with Trump communicating over an unsecure network. I wonder why.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Tommy the Trump corruption and natsec issues were addressed in the Trump thread by me and Ivan. You guys are like 2 days behind an anti Trump issue.
squistion
Footballguy
So what? We can only discuss an issue in one thread now? And it is not just an anti-Trump issue, contrary to what you think.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Plus, if you guys are going to demand that I personally denounce every crazy or reprehensible thing Trump does or says, I'd have to spend my whole day denouncing stuff. Ain't nobody got time for that.
Let's do this. When Trump does something horrible, just assume that I denounce it until I say otherwise. That should help speed things up.
Let's do this. When Trump does something horrible, just assume that I denounce it until I say otherwise. That should help speed things up.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ok fire it up. Discuss the issues with discussing classified matters on unauthorized lines and the conflict problems inherent in being associated with entities doing business with companies and countries doing business with the US Gov. Happy to discuss. Go.
squistion
Footballguy
I made the point I wanted to make, which was about hypocrisy with Trump supporters and Hillary haters.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Not sure why you're quoting this post talking about the alleged hypocrisy of "Hillary Haters", but yeah...my political ideology has changed a good bit in the last 10ish years. Never thought I'd have the position I do on gay marriage or my position on our government playing a vital role in healthcare and education. I've definitely come left from back then. Sorry you don't appreciate those changes. I'm quite proud of them.beavers said:I recall our discussions around the 2008 election, and it appears your political ideology has shifted significantly. Just an observation as I once appreciated your unbiased opinion.The Commish said:Silence is deafening on this one....glad it's something most of us can agree on....let's chalk this up to a learning opportunity and move on
The Commish
Footballguy
Hypocrisy doesn't seem to mean to squis what it means to everyone else. I'm with IK on this one....feel free to assume that I treat Hillary and Trump exactly the same. Whatever I said about Hillary I say about Trump. Hopefully that will help clear up any confusion you may be having.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
On a scale of "went to dinner without telling the press" to "committed millions of dollars worth of fraud against American citizens" or "asked in a political speech for a foreign power to continue to interfere in a Presidential election" where does "something horrible" land?
beavers
Footballguy
No need to apologize- I'm simply pointing out that as a member of the LGBT community, I once respected your consistent approach with politics. You never exhibited the partisan hack bs, and even at times helped me see both sides of the political spectrum. Your posts and private PMs always made sense, and I respected you even if at times, I didn't agree.
Go ahead and proudly place your flag into the ground, it's your way of pounding your chest. However, that sentence alone seems to reveal some insecurity with who you've become and what you believe.
It's unfortunate FBGuys lost a great, unbiased viewpoint.
Eta: the sentence I'm referring to is you being quite proud of them.
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When you call people hypocrites for not bashing Trump in the Hillary thread, yet refuse to read the Trump thread, where those people are bashing Trump, you come off as extremely childish, and a touch stupid.
squistion
Footballguy
I didn't refuse to read the Trump thread, I was away from the forum for awhile and missed the postings. It is not my duty to dredge through 10 pages of posts done in my absence to read what someone who posts in this thread might have said elsewhere - guess you got the time to do that, I don't. What people may or may not have been doing in another thread is irrelevant to what is discussed here. This is the Hillary thread and this was where almost all the discussion and outrage was concerning her emails. I think raising the issue about hypocrisy regarding attitudes towards Trump and Hillary is related and merits discussion here.
If you and others think it is a dead issue or shouldn't be discuss here, you are entitled to your opinion. I might be able to get into the criticism, except we had two Trump threads with overlapping discussion for about 4 months and no had one issues with that. Plus this thread had multiple identical anti-Hillary links on many days, but not a peep out of the current critics.
And calling someone stupid is not being excellent to one another.
MaxThreshold
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squistion
Footballguy
I did. As I keep saying the issue was the hypocrisy. That was what Joy Reid was referring in the link I provided.
But it is your duty to dredge through posts if you plan on calling out hypocrisy. If you're not willing to make that effort, don't call people hypocrites.
squistion
Footballguy
No, it isn't my duty to read every post in every political thread before I post someone relevant to this thread. If people got an issue with that, too bad.
I didn't see you take a position. Trump's behavior, OK or no?
Re: the hypocrisy, you still have yet to provide an example of a non-hypothetical person acting hypocritically.
beavers
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It's not but you haven't even criticized Trump in this whole discussion. By your definition that makes you a latent Trump supporter.
The Commish
Footballguy
While my positions have changed over time, my approach certainly hasn't. Though, with this post, I have no idea what you're talking about. What "partisan hack bs" are you referring to exactly. I think we have a significant misunderstanding happening at the moment, but it's hard to tell.
The Commish
Footballguy
Stop. This isn't true...I agree with her more today than I did then. This is why I suspect there is a significant misunderstanding goin'z onz
beavers
Footballguy
Given that it's been quite some time ago, I always thought you were some libertarian type of guy - socially progressive and fiscally conservative. Maybe it's the posts that I'm reading, and I could be wrong, but you seem very (blindly) pro-Trump and the content of your posts seem to be very partisan.
squistion
Footballguy
You didn't see me outraged about Hillary's emails. She shouldn't have done it, but I didn't view it as criminal. As far the as what Trump did I am just laughing at his supporters and many Hillary haters shrugging this off as if it were nothing when they were apoplectic about Hillary's and her server . There are bigger fish to fry than his recent telephone conversations, like the blind trust that isn't a blind trust and his cabinet appointments to name a few.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Yeah, we get it with you Hillary zealots. Whatever wrong she does, it's NEVER a big deal. Ever, despite all evidence to the contrary.
But, boy, just mention that you grab women in the ##### and you're all OUTRAGED and start burning business, tipping over cars, blocking traffic and beating the #### out of innocent bystanders.
The Commish
Footballguy
Yeah, this couldn't be further from the truth. Might I ask what specific posts lead you to this assumption? I think he's an idiot and a moron....to the point where I don't even bother going into the threads about him here. The closest thing anyone here could reasonably glean as "pro Trump" from me is "maybe he's all shtick and he'll just be terrible instead of complete and utter train wreck....time will tell". I have never claimed to know what a Trump Presidency would entail because I can't tell what's really him and what isn't. I'm fine and comfortable saying I have no ####ing clue what's going to happen under his watch. I am preparing for the worst, hoping for the best.
The post that you replied to that started this back and forth was one from squis on hypocrisy and his bastardized definition of it. He's now in these threads using generic terms like "Hillary haters" to fish around and
as he always does. So, I figured I would post and ask for a show of hands of those who admonished Hillary's actions but approved of Trump's. Those people would certainly be hypocrites and we'd have concrete circumstances to talk about. It was no surprise that no one stepped up and raised their hand making the point that those who didn't approve of Hillary's actions don't approve of Trump's nullifying his hypocrisy shtick. Of course, the next step in this goat rodeo will be his "I didn't say it was people HERE" shtick. That was a clever response the first 100 times he used it. Now it's just tired.
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squistion
Footballguy
And what has she ever been charged with in over 30 years of supposedly being a career criminal? She has never been charged by any prosecutor in any jurisdiction for anything, even a misdemeanor - and you can't get around that. And this not where she was charged, the charges were dropped, or she went to trial and was found not guilty or that she has been convicted of anything. You still got nothing - maybe if The Donald goes after her you will. In the meantime there still is no there there.
And sorry to disappoint you, but I have been watching football games and yet to "start burning business, tipping over cars, blocking traffic and beating the #### out of innocent bystanders." And unlike you I make a distinction between what a candidate says and actions taken by others who may or may not be their supporters, but in any event, people they have no control over.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Has Trump ever been charged and convicted? If not, then you owe it as your sacred duty to ignore everything about Trump but only the good stuff - like how you did with Hillary.
squistion
Footballguy
Charged with fraud in a civil suit that he just settled for $25 million. Hillary has never been charged with anything, so no cases to settle out of court.
And let us not forget, Trump in 1973 was sued by the Justice Department for racial discrimination because he would not rent apartments in one of his developments to African Americans.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Yeah, but was he CONVICTED? NO? And, I might add, that 'settling" means no guilt was admitted so there is that
Hey, I'm just using the Hillary Clinton Defense standard. Don't blame me. You guys are the ones that set it that way. I expect to see your full support of Trump in the Trump thread and defending him against ANY attack. And zealously, I might add. I expect you to be the blind partisan for Trump that you are for Hillary because, y'know, no conviction.
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squistion
Footballguy
Great, that means you think Bill Clinton settling with Paula Jones means no guilt was admitted.
Surely you are not really this slow. Bill is irrelevant now but you have successfully painted yourself into a corner so you can not attack Trump without looking like a fool.Great, that means you think Bill Clinton settling with Paula Jones means no guilt was admitted.
squistion
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Bill is irrelevant and makes no sense in the context of my post. Are you going to address my post? Or is this yet ANOTHER deflection by you? Will we see you in the Trump thread defending him because, y'know, NOT CONVICTED?Great, that means you think Bill Clinton settling with Paula Jones means no guilt was admitted.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Squiz this is the worst of all worlds. You're engaging in imaginary grudge settling without ever caring or thinking about any issue or principle at stake with Hillary or Trump. I'm interested in post-mortums of what went wrong with Hillary and the DNC, but otherwise this thread like Hillary and her campaign is finished for anything really substantive aside from that.No, but you obviously are.
The best I can tell from this is that several Hillary critics hold the same criticisms for Trump, but wasn't that always the case? They always shared similar flaws/scandals:
- emails investigation vs fraud investigation
- foundations vs foundation
- foreign influence vs foreign influence
- corporate insider access vs same
- habitual lying vs same
- sexual harassment vs enabling of same
I'm sure there are others. I'm not saying they are the same in degree or that that makes Trump "the same" as Hillary but this little one person merry go round you're on has been available to you since the beginning. It's just odd you want to jump on it now when there really is no point because the election is done. There is zero point in comparing Hillary and Trump now. If there is a lesson here it's that polling shows that people who thought that Hillary and Trump were both unqualified and were both untrustworthy ended up voting more often for Trump, I suppose because of the alleged 'change' message. Maybe you could at least try to tie your point into something useful.
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Loan Sharks
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So you think Bill is guilty? Wow that just makes it worse, you were voting for someone who helped her husband cover up a rape.Great, that means you think Bill Clinton settling with Paula Jones means no guilt was admitted.
squistion
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Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
squistion
Footballguy
quickhands
Footballguy
i appreciate the help. i'll endeavor to persevere.Henry Ford said:
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah, personally I don't care about any of this. I will be attacking Trump over his policies and speeches.
Donald Trump's campaign pledges were reprehensible and disastrous. We'll see how much of it he implements.
Donald Trump's campaign pledges were reprehensible and disastrous. We'll see how much of it he implements.
squistion
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