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honky kong said:
I don't know what evidence they have but assuming there is something to their claims (and there may not be), isn't it important to investigate it? People already lack faith in the process.
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The intelligence community is in the Obama administration. You think Obama & the IC are part of the VRW conspiracy and are sitting on "The Truth"?

 
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honky kong said:
 All I am saying is that if there is compelling evidence that it should be investigated, then it should be investigated.
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While I respect this view I disagree with it. IMO, the negative aspects of such an inverstigation, even if warranted, far outweigh the necessity of it in every case. 

 
timschochet said:
While I respect this view I disagree with it. IMO, the negative aspects of such an inverstigation, even if warranted, far outweigh the necessity of it in every case. 
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On the very slim chance that something actually did happen that resulted in the wrong person getting elected, doesn't that pretty much invalidate the entire electoral process if we knew about it and did nothing? What would keep it from happening again? It would be a very painful undertaking but I think that ensuring the integrity of our electoral process is paramount.

 
honky kong said:
On the very slim chance that something actually did happen that resulted in the wrong person getting elected, doesn't that pretty much invalidate the entire electoral process if we knew about it and did nothing? What would keep it from happening again? It would be a very painful undertaking but I think that ensuring the integrity of our electoral process is paramount.
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If I go into one of the voter ID threads, will I find your name among those who think it's asking to much for people to flash a driver's license when they show up to vote?

 
Mr. Ham said:
Bookstore...  My hometown.  (Westerly, Rhode Island).  Also home to... Taylor Swift ($17m summer home, anyway).

As the crow flies, that store is about a mile from where I lived my last two years of high school.  Pretty, but not exactly upscale where she was roaming.  

Gorgeous part of the world.  My grandmother (whom I never met) ran a nursery school close by.  
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My Dad's hometown as well.  So, Watch Hill is actually a part of Westerly?  

 
honky kong said:
On the very slim chance that something actually did happen that resulted in the wrong person getting elected, doesn't that pretty much invalidate the entire electoral process if we knew about it and did nothing? What would keep it from happening again? It would be a very painful undertaking but I think that ensuring the integrity of our electoral process is paramount.
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It may have happened before, in 1960. 

I believe that to openly question it would weaken, not strengthen the integrity of the process. There are several reasons for this, but the largest one is that we no longer have any single news source that everybody trusts. That means that no matter what is revealed it will be disputed and up to 50% of the population will NEVER accept it as true. 

 
honky kong said:
On the very slim chance that something actually did happen that resulted in the wrong person getting elected, doesn't that pretty much invalidate the entire electoral process if we knew about it and did nothing? What would keep it from happening again? It would be a very painful undertaking but I think that ensuring the integrity of our electoral process is paramount.
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Sure.  If someone finds evidence that a successful hack impacted vote counts then that obviously requires investigation.  That hasn't happened yet.

 
Fear The Turtle said:
My Dad's hometown as well.  So, Watch Hill is actually a part of Westerly?  
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Yes.  Both sets of my grandparents lived off Shore Road.  One set gone.  Other in their 90s and still there...  About quarter mile from boundary of Watch Hill, which is part of Westerly.  

 
timschochet said:
It may have happened before, in 1960. 

I believe that to openly question it would weaken, not strengthen the integrity of the process. There are several reasons for this, but the largest one is that we no longer have any single news source that everybody trusts. That means that no matter what is revealed it will be disputed and up to 50% of the population will NEVER accept it as true. 
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Some of my extreme left Facebook friends are posting seemingly hourly different hopeful articles suggestive that Hillary can become President.  What I don't want to be the one to tell them is that if she were to, it would be seen (rightly or wrongly) as a coup by the establishment and there would be a violent response.  One has to ask themselves two questions if that were to occur.

- Who is better armed?

- Who will the military back?

And then they need to #### (IMHO)

 
lod001 said:
+2 million in the popular vote. CNN wants a recount. They continually embarrass themselves.
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We don't elect the president via popular vote ever so I'm not sure why suddenly it has become a huge deal.  

Oh, that's right, I do know why:  It's because Democrats lost.  The Electoral college suddenly isn't good enough anymore  (until they win the next election, of course).

 
pantagrapher said:
Ahead by more than 2 millions votes now.

Apparently a lot of people clamoring for Clinton to request a recount in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, based on some breezy analysis of paper vs. computer ballot returns. But I just don't see it happening.
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Where are you seeing 2 million?  Because as of right now it's 1.82 million.  What's with the exaggeration?

 
MaxThreshold said:
We don't elect the president via popular vote ever so I'm not sure why suddenly it has become a huge deal.  

Oh, that's right, I do know why:  It's because Democrats lost.  The Electoral college suddenly isn't good enough anymore  (until they win the next election, of course).
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I actually think it's pretty amazing that Hillary is going to win the popular vote by more than a full percentage point and still lose the electoral college. I knew such a thing was mathematically possible of course, but I didn't think it was possible in practice.  I overestimated how closely state results would be correlated with overall national results.  

 
MaxThreshold said:
We don't elect the president via popular vote ever so I'm not sure why suddenly it has become a huge deal.  

Oh, that's right, I do know why:  It's because Democrats lost.  The Electoral college suddenly isn't good enough anymore  (until they win the next election, of course).
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Honest question 

if the roles had been reversed and Hillary had gotten the EC but lost the popular vote, what do you think the Trump supporters would have done?    Trump was already saying that the election was rigged and flaming the fire before the election

 
Righetti said:
Honest question 

if the roles had been reversed and Hillary had gotten the EC but lost the popular vote, what do you think the Trump supporters would have done?    Trump was already saying that the election was rigged and flaming the fire before the election
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I don't think they would have done anything except accept the results.

 
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Tell me, Iod001, if Sean Hannity had some crazy guest on that demanded a recount, and Hannity argued with him, would you post:

The Sean Hannity show wants a recount! They continually embarrass themselves! ???

 
MaxThreshold said:
We don't elect the president via popular vote ever so I'm not sure why suddenly it has become a huge deal.  

Oh, that's right, I do know why:  It's because Democrats lost.  The Electoral college suddenly isn't good enough anymore  (until they win the next election, of course).
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You think that supersedes the rating they would get out of it? 

 
MaxThreshold said:
We don't elect the president via popular vote ever so I'm not sure why suddenly it has become a huge deal.  

Oh, that's right, I do know why:  It's because Democrats lost.  The Electoral college suddenly isn't good enough anymore  (until they win the next election, of course).
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You keep saying this, but there is a thread in the FFA that was started in 2012 and I think most of the people who are now in the camp to get rid of the EC were also in favor of it in 2012.  Hell, even Trump thought the EC is nonsense.

You may or may not believe this, but when I learned about the EC in 8th grade history I thought it sounded like a stupid idea.  I've since educated myself more on the subject and my mind has not changed.  This was before Gore lost.  My opinion has nothing to do with which side would gain and "advantage" and everything to do with giving voters an equal say.  We don't even know if it would translate to an advantage either way as it would change the behavior of potential voters.  

 
SameSongNDance said:
Stein has raised $1.7MM towards the recount in like..8 hours? I haven't seen people scammed this hard since watching those Peter Popoff infomercials.

So anyway, there's likely going to be a recount. What's the point though? If there was actual tampering, you'd need an audit.
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There will be volunteer boots on the ground. I'm not sure what role they'll play, but this exercise, like the Gore recount, will likely improve the voting system going forward. Changes in the Wisconsin and Michigan outcomes are possible, given how close the vote was, but unlikely in PA.

 
MaxThreshold said:
We don't elect the president via popular vote ever so I'm not sure why suddenly it has become a huge deal.  

Oh, that's right, I do know why:  It's because Democrats lost.  The Electoral college suddenly isn't good enough anymore  (until they win the next election, of course).
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I voted for hillary and i think all of this talk about the popular vote is a disservice to the country. 

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I voted for hillary and i think all of this talk about the popular vote is a disservice to the country. 
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It is, but most of the people talking about it (at least in here) are conservatives. They're looking to be outraged. There's very few people out there who are challenging Trump's victory. The War on the Electoral College is about as real as the War on Christmas.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
We are a democratic republic, not a true democracy. The EC lets specifc state's interests to be addressed. 
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The issue with the EC is not state's interests. The issue is unfair apportionment. 

The unfairness of the EC apportionment will only get worse as the population grows, unless the the size of the HR increases - it's been over 100 years.  

 
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