It's so crazy what's happening with the GOP. The Presidency is theirs for the taking. Hillary is not well liked. And they are going to go into the general with Donald F****** Trump. LOL Talk about blowing a golden opportunity.
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The Commish
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Based on this thread and a whole lot of reactions around the country to stagnant wages the last 5-10, I think it's safe to say that correlation isn't really believed by a good part of the country anymore. But we can take that to a different thread.
Let's talk about how one of Clinton's best points in her campaign is a comparison to the goat rodeo being put on by the GOP. We can't make this #### up can we?
timschochet
Footballguy
I would argue that most independents aren't paying attention to the stagnant wages argument (or any arguments at this time actually) and in the end will respond to the employment numbers before any other factor- but we'll see.
Based on this thread and a whole lot of reactions around the country to stagnant wages the last 5-10, I think it's safe to say that correlation isn't really believed by a good part of the country anymore. But we can take that to a different thread.
Let's talk about how one of Clinton's best points in her campaign is a comparison to the goat rodeo being put on by the GOP. We can't make this #### up can we?
You have used the phrase "goat rodeo" several times in different threads. Sorry but I don't know what that is.
timschochet
Footballguy
I just looked up goat rodeo. I had never heard that term before. I'm not very hip.
The Commish
Footballguy
How will we see Tim? What's going to be the evidence to support independents aren't paying attention to stagnant wages?I would argue that most independents aren't paying attention to the stagnant wages argument (or any arguments at this time actually) and in the end will respond to the employment numbers before any other factor- but we'll see.
Based on this thread and a whole lot of reactions around the country to stagnant wages the last 5-10, I think it's safe to say that correlation isn't really believed by a good part of the country anymore. But we can take that to a different thread.
Let's talk about how one of Clinton's best points in her campaign is a comparison to the goat rodeo being put on by the GOP. We can't make this #### up can we?
You have used the phrase "goat rodeo" several times in different threads. Sorry but I don't know what that is.
Brunell4MVP
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Anyone thinking Kasich's soft stance and adult behavior is a play to get the VP role? No matter who wins.
I'm seeing a ticket in the making, one that looks more like a corporate structure than the usual DC ticket...
I for one think the more socially moderate a Republican is put out there, the better the chances of winning. Issues like abortion and gay marriage have run their lifecycle. It's over. Both are a part of our culture. The Supreme Court has decided, and so have numerous states. Fighting it has cost the GOP a ton of votes over the years. This ticket isn't going to have to fight that fight so much.
I think Trump is playing the I'm a conservative stance too hard. Maybe he needs to do it to win the GOP. But I wouldn't use that word. Because when he takes on Hillary he needs to paint himself and his ticket as a moderate. I think that's the reason he keeps saying he is flexible, as I think anyone in that role should be.
BTW - I wish I could rescind my vote for Rubio after last night. What a total ###.
I'm seeing a ticket in the making, one that looks more like a corporate structure than the usual DC ticket...
- Trump - The CEO and brash get it done guy. An outsider that will fight for the regular American. Not even liked by his own party because he's such as outsider.
- Kasich - The COO. Fiscal policy and international affairs expert. A person moderate (or even liberal) enough to get parties working together in Congress. A person that knows his way around legislation and govt. A person that pulls in OH.
- Carson - The Social Issues guy (healthcare, soc sec, education, education). His stance on those falls generally in line with both of the above. He pulls in a few African American votes.
- Kelly Ayotte - The woman with brains and defense/national security abilities. Defense, State, etc. No way she turns him down even if he's shunned by the GOP elite. Gets the votes from the women that don't like Hillary, and the poll show there are a lot of those.
- Christie - A hard nosed AG
- Conde Rice - I think he needs her somewhere. Smart, experienced black woman.
I for one think the more socially moderate a Republican is put out there, the better the chances of winning. Issues like abortion and gay marriage have run their lifecycle. It's over. Both are a part of our culture. The Supreme Court has decided, and so have numerous states. Fighting it has cost the GOP a ton of votes over the years. This ticket isn't going to have to fight that fight so much.
I think Trump is playing the I'm a conservative stance too hard. Maybe he needs to do it to win the GOP. But I wouldn't use that word. Because when he takes on Hillary he needs to paint himself and his ticket as a moderate. I think that's the reason he keeps saying he is flexible, as I think anyone in that role should be.
BTW - I wish I could rescind my vote for Rubio after last night. What a total ###.
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The Commish
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I'll be honest....I didn't know it was an actual term. If I had to put into a cartoon our existing political environment, goats in a rodeo format is what I'd attempt to draw so that's what I roll with. Similar to herding cats. Someone stole my shtick
timschochet
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The Commish
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Outside a question like "Are you independent and if so, were stagnant wages something you paid attention to?" how are you going to determine this in an exit poll? I don't think they usually ask questions that specific.
timschochet
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Brunell I don't believe moderate Republicans like Kasich and Ayotte are willing to associate themselves with Donald Trump.
TobiasFunke
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Kasich ran a campaign ad that basically compared Trump to Hitler.
Also nobody has ever run on a "ticket" like that, ever. He'd get instantly and relentlessly ridiculed as having effectively admitted that he's not up for the job on his own and can only handle the presidency by committee.
Also Christie has become a joke at this point, as has Carson, and there's zero chance Ayotte is bailing on her senate race (and possibly handing the Dems the Senate) to associate herself with someone like Trump.
timschochet
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Probably right.
But if the jobs numbers continue to be positive, yet independents vote against Hillary and cite the economy as their main reason, then we'll know something's up.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I agree with this.
But eventually she's going to have to face someone 1 on 1. I don't think whoever she runs against will need to get in the arguments they've needed to in a GOP race with 17 candidates. In fact they'd be dumb to. They'd look like they are bashing a woman.
The way to beat Hillary is look back to how Obama got the nod over her in 2008, when she should have won the nomination easily. She fades into the background and isn't very strong or motivating on stage. Just let her carve her own way into the hole of boredom.
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timschochet
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Hillary easily defeated Obama in most of the debates they had. I think she will shine against Trump.
fatguyinalittlecoat
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I said this the other day, Trump will try to drag her into the mud. That's what he does. He insults and acts childish until he eventually gets you to act childish too. The GOP candidates look like fools. Comparing diikk sizes and making fun of each other's hands and height. If they were sixth graders, their parents would be embarrassed of their immaturity. Clinton just has to laugh at him and act Presidential. She will destroy him on professionalism alone. I'm 100% confident of that. What I'm NOT totally confident in is her ability to avoid wanting to blast him back. He's going to get personal. And lord knows he has enough despicable things in his past that she will have on the tip of her tongue. We've all seen Hillary's temper. If she loses it and stoops to his level, she's taking away a huge advantage she has over him.
The Commish
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Parrothead
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at this point, isn't it obvious that Trump is working for the Clintons? They are friends, and this will go down as the biggest trick ever played on the American people.. it gives Hillary her self-entitled right to be president, and it exposes millions of Americans as bat #### crazy Trump supporters.. oof
squistion
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She didn't lose it or even get flustered in 11 hours of grilling before the Benghazi committee (who worked in a tag team approach, with alternating members of the committee attacking her). She kept her composure the entire time. She will be expecting childish attacks from Trump and will ignore them. She will do fine.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
I brought this back up yesterday and it go no attention.
Trump has to be a Clinton plant. And it is working. No one who really wanted to be elected in a general election would act or say the things that Trump has.
This idea has been out there for a while, but it really looks like more than just a conspiracy now. And if Trump somehow is denied the GOP nomination and runs as a 3rd party then we know he is doing it to assure Hillary the White House.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35066940
Willie Neslon
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I know some of you guys won't be able to see this because you have your heads buried in the sand but yet another tidbit today regarding her character.
http://freebeacon.com/politics/hillary-paid-herself-250000-from-campaign-funds/
http://freebeacon.com/politics/hillary-paid-herself-250000-from-campaign-funds/
Hillary Paid Herself $250,000 From Campaign Funds
Payroll and benefits transactions to Clinton total $254,000 since April 2015
AP
BY: Joe Schoffstall
March 4, 2016 5:00 am
The campaign of Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton has made payments totaling six figures to Clinton this election cycle, according to a review of its expenditures.
Federal campaign finance records reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon found that starting in April 2015, the month that Clinton launched her campaign, thousands in payments began flowing to the candidate. Clinton has previously claimed that she and Bill Clinton were “dead broke” when he left the White House, but the two have since amassed millions of dollars in wealth.
The first transaction from Hillary for America to Hillary Rodham Clinton came on April 13, 2015 in the amount of $74,042. This transaction was filed under ‘Payroll & Benefits’ with a separate payment of $1,488 for ‘Employee Benefits’ that same day, according to FEC filings. On April 14, just one day later, $744 went to Clinton marked as employee benefits.
The next in a series of payments to Clinton did not occur until later in the year.
In November 2015, when transactions resumed to Clinton, she pulled in a total of $32,811 from two separate payments. In December, another $56,514 was made to her name. In January 2016, $88,878 more was given. All told, payroll and benefits transactions to Clinton have totaled $254,447 since the launch of her campaign.
Moreover, some of these payments were shown to overlap with money given to Clinton Executive Services Corp., the private company set up by Hillary that oversaw the use of her private email server during her tenure as secretary of state.
For example, on December 12, 2015, $42,032 was given to Clinton, but this sum was transmitted to the corporation, according to a memo. A total of $98,588 in payroll payments to Clinton did not overlap with the corporation. These payments were made on April 14, 2015 and January 29, 2016.
No other candidate running for president recorded payments to themselves, FEC files show. Donald Trump reimbursed $410,000 to himself and other Trump entities for payroll expenses, rent, hotel, and restaurant bills in December, according to reports.
While it is legal for candidates to pay themselves from campaign funds, the rule was established and intended for candidates who are not well off and quit their jobs to run for political office.
Bill and Hillary Clinton are estimated to be worth over $100 million dollars combined, with Hillary’s net worth estimated around $30 million and Bill’s estimated around $80 million, according to previous reviews of financial disclosure reports.
Clinton’s campaign did not respond to a request for comment on the payments by press time.
squistion
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pantagrapher
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Hillary is such a good politician that she's going to win both primaries. Definitely speaks highly of her competence as a leader.
Card Trader
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Statorama
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It seems pretty transparent that he's hoping to exchange his delegates in a brokered convention into a VP slot.
Grace Under Pressure
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Statorama
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While the theory seems nuts, let us not forget that no one foresaw Hulk Hogan joining the Outsiders
squistion
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Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
So you really think Trump is doing everything he can to win a general election. Not to send the Republican party into disarray and expose them for the racist idiots some of them are? (mission accomplished) and make those on the fence hold their nose and vote for Hillary?
Actually it's quite brilliant. (Good Job Bill)
IvanKaramazov
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When the standard is "well, she hasn't been convicted of a felony yet," one's ability to muster a defense has been greatly eroded.
squistion
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squistion
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Most people think Hillary is immoral. The country is begging for someone other than her. Unfortunately, the GOP is forcing her into the Presidency.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
The Commish
Footballguy
I continue to be baffled as to why people use this committee hearing lead by a bunch of mindless GOP dopes and Dems tripping over themselves to service Hillary as evidence (good or bad) of anything.
squistion
Footballguy
Um, no. While 90% of the posters in this thread think so, they are (fortunately) not representative of what most people think.
timschochet
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Jobber
Footballguy
On unemployment, Clinton will bring up the low unemployment number. All Trump has to say is "Anyone who believes this number already has a job. What about those of you that don't?"
Based on this thread and a whole lot of reactions around the country to stagnant wages the last 5-10, I think it's safe to say that correlation isn't really believed by a good part of the country anymore. But we can take that to a different thread.
Let's talk about how one of Clinton's best points in her campaign is a comparison to the goat rodeo being put on by the GOP. We can't make this #### up can we?
Willie Neslon
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squistion
Footballguy
We have heard the same thing about Obama, being completely inept, but "He knows exactly what he is doing"
pantagrapher
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The Commish
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Same thing with GWB. My favorite was the "theory" that he was smart enough to engineer the 9/11 attacks and kept it all hush hush within the gov't and all the parties that would have had to comply in order to get it done. That one's really the benchmark by which the rest will be measured for a long time IMO.
cstu
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IvanKaramazov
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Card Trader
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squistion
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IC FBGCav
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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip-sponsored-online-poker-report/nvgs-one-only-us-presidential-election-thread-featuring-jamie-gold-betting-strategy-1592550/index10.html
Originally Posted by restorativejustice
What I think is "crazy" is to want to give the power of the Presidency to someone as openly corrupt as Hillary.
Chadstroma
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What I think is "crazy" is thinking Trump is any less corrupt than Hillary. At least Hillary has a clue about subjects that the President will need to deal with even if I disagree with her. At least she is not spewing things that are illegal (both to our laws and international laws), impossible or outside of the powers of the Presidency as her typical speech.
squistion
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While Tim can speak for himself, I don't recall him taking that position explicitly, that being convicted of a felony would be the only disqualifier for not supporting Hillary.
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IC FBGCav
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She isn't spewing anything because she has no POV or platform. Wall Street will tell her what to do if she gets elected.
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