What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (6 Viewers)

Status
Not open for further replies.
I don't understand how her aides discovered this in August 2015. Wouldn't they have been receiving emails when she was Secretary of State?
I think what they found out is that others had found out, so the shark move was they could have preempted this whole thing by the shrewd political move of releasing the news early, acknowledging it and getting out ahead of of it.

Instead they waited for it to fester and for the GOP to figure it out and make hay of it. Supposedly State sensing that Hillary wasn't going to do anything about it finally leaked the news to the NYT so that the GOP would not get the upper hand.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-emails-delays-115824.html
Um...this is the definition of "early." If the GOP is in any way responsible for fostering this news becoming a story, they are even more inept than I thought. This is the kind of the thing you drop on her in the general campaign, not before primary campaigns have even started. :lmao: It's the political equivalent of the Jason Biggs/hot chick in bed scene in American Pie.
NYT & State leaked the story so the GOP would not do it at a moment of its choosing.

And Hillary did the squirreling.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Hillary in Nixon's shadowIt is a twist of history not likely to be lost on Hillary Rodham Clinton that only one person in modern times has managed to win the presidency after roughly two decades as a famous and polarizing figure in the first rank of political life. His name: Richard M. Nixon.

The Nixon example comes to mind not only because Clinton is in the midst of re-tooling herself and her staff for a 2016 campaign that will presumably introduce at least some version of a “New Hillary,” but because the bombshell news that she kept at least 55,000 pages of business emails sent during her tenure as Secretary of State on a private account has struck some observers as, well, Nixonian.


The editorial page cartoon by David Fitzsimmons in Friday’s Los Angeles Times, the newspaper that helped propel Nixon to prominence, depicted Clinton writing “THNX” on an I-Phone as her friendly IT guy flashes a thumbs-up and a jowly smile wreathed by the unmistakable visage and five o’clock shadow of Tricky **** himself.

Not even Clinton’s harshest critics could claim that Servergate (or Chappaquadata, or whatever it may come to be called) constitutes a high crime or misdemeanor. But it does connote a reflexive wariness about her enemies – a wariness that sometimes seems to border on paranoia – that has long dogged Clinton, and that struck at least a few old Nixon hands as familiar.

“This is like the Nixon tapes, in a sense,” said Ken Khachigian, who was a young speechwriter on Nixon’s White House staff and is now a grizzled veteran of California’s Republican political wars. “Everybody wanted access. We resisted, and then they were eked out in death by a thousand cuts. Finally they were expropriated and now belong to the archives.”

“In some ways, this is no different,” he added. “But Nixon’s motivation was to record history, frankly. Her motivation was to control history. It’s obvious that she was wary of having her fate in the hands of other people, and it just underscores the secretiveness that she’s had for years, and how wary she is, looking over her shoulder.”

There is, of course, a bitter paradox in the fact that Clinton, as a young staffer on the House Judiciary Committee, actually worked on Nixon’s impeachment. Yet to Clinton’s critics, comparisons between the two flow — easily. Rep. Pete Roskam (R-Ill.), a member of the select committee on Benghazi, issued a statement declaring, “The last time we saw a high government official seeking to edit their responses was President Nixon,” adding – with dubious historical accuracy – “and at least then he enjoyed the benefit of executive privilege.”

To be fair, Clinton’s motives remain unclear. Her only comment about the matter so far has been a Tweet saying she wants the State Department to release the emails. But it’s worth noting that the laws and rules governing the permanent retention of executive branch records were put in place 40 years ago precisely because Nixon tried to take his with him, then waged a decades-long battle over who owned his papers.

And it now seems clear that the State Department sought the missing emails, and Clinton only surrendered them, in response to legal and congressional inquiries — not upon leaving office, as would have been standard practice. The manner of her producing the documents leaves no way of proving the completeness of the archive, but depends on her good faith.

“Burn the tapes!” bellowed Patrick Buchanan, repeating his own advice to Nixon as a White House aide, when asked by Politico about the Clinton case. “I told him to burn the tapes, fire [special prosecutor] Archibald Cox, take the amputation and if we go down, we go down. I tell you, I did think of that when I heard about Hillary. Jesus, she’s got all these emails. Who knows what’s in them?”

At least one of the president’s men said any comparison with his old boss was overblown.


“Nixon was very secretive as to who had access to his memos and what have you,” said former White House counsel John Dean, who recalled that his old boss would mark up each morning’s White House news summary with handwritten instructions for staff follow-up on issues, but would have the directives passed on by an intermediary, with no indication that they were coming from the president himself. “That was Nixonian,” he said. “Hillary’s having her own server system doesn’t quite rise to that league. It’s going to be tough to top him, actually.”
What Clinton does share with Nixon is that she, too, is “a serial collector of resentments,” as Nixon chronicler Rick Perlstein described the 37th president in his 2008 book, “Nixonland.” Whether complaining as the wife of the Arkansas governor that her family couldn’t have a swimming pool like “normal people,” or saying last summer that she and her husband were “broke” with legal bills when they left the White House, she has come by her grievances the hard way, and worn them on her sleeve.

Her declaration in “Hard Choices,” her memoir of her State Department years, that her 2008 defeat at Obama’s hands showed her that “I no longer cared so much about what the critics said about me,” rings hollow, given the well-established propensity of all in her orbit to push back fiercely at enemies, real or perceived. After all, it was she herself who named the 1992 Clinton command center the “War Room,” and she, too, who initially insisted on closing the passage to the West Wing’s “Upper Press Office,” so as to keep reportorial eyes away from the corridors just outside the Oval Office.

In his memoir, “All Too Human,” George Stephanopoulos sarcastically recounted how he wanted to answer reporters who complained to him about the press office door. “I’m not your problem,” he wrote. “Hillary is. She and [campaign aide] Susan Thomases cooked up this plan to move you to the Old Executive Office Building so we could reopen the indoor pool that used to be right below your feet before Nixon made this the press room.”

But it’s a truism that even paranoids have their enemies, and just as Nixon was correct in believing he was held in contempt by large segments of the liberal intelligentsia, Clinton was basically accurate (if politically tone-deaf) in her insistence that her husband’s impeachment was the handiwork of a “vast right-wing conspiracy.”

The real damage from the email controversy may lie less in any specific embarrassing revelations (though if history is any guide, there are bound to be some) than in the seeming proof that the aspect of Clinton’s personality that is suspicious, defensive, contemptuous of the press and scornful of political adversaries will never change. Such traits have hurt her repeatedly in the past, and could well do so again, despite the protestations of her staff-in-formation that she has learned her lessons and will approach her next campaign differently than her last one.

“They don’t change their personas,” Buchanan said of full-grown politicians.

In 1968, with the help of Madison Avenue and a young show-biz whiz named Roger Ailes, Nixon managed to position himself, to coin a phrase, as “likable enough” to be president. Yet there was never a “New Nixon,” any more than there is likely to be a “New Clinton.”

“But I will say this,” added Buchanan, who last year published a book about that campaign, “The Greatest Comeback.” “There was about Nixon in the early period in the comeback a sense of fatalism, a sense there was an opening down the sideline to the nomination. And maybe it’s because we weren’t under real pressure from Romney or anyone else, we were like a bubble going through that revolutionary period. And he did not get back into that mode I think he’d been in in the 1960 campaign, when staff relations were bad and bitter, until about nine months after we got into the White House.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-in-nixons-shadow-115853.html#ixzz3TqaPSz00
 
It is a twist of history not likely to be lost on Hillary Rodham Clinton that only one person in modern times has managed to win the presidency after roughly two decades as a famous and polarizing figure in the first rank of political life. His name: Richard M. Nixon.
In the U.S., yes, but in the UK there was a guy by the name of Winston Churchill.

 
Winston had served a lot longer in elected office than 8 years and was in cabinet for longer than 4 years, by a wide margin, iirc, and his controversies were over policy not behavior.

 
One comparison with Nixon does occur to me though - at one point he had that missing 16 minutes of tape, however long it was he disappeared some decent sized portion of his tapes. If the press via Foia or Congress via subpoenas manages to get to that server and there are mailboxes or certain time periods missing there will be big trouble. One result of releasing just 55K pages (which is really like just 10,000 emails or so, and that will be culled down further by State) is that there will inevitably be gaps, which will mean she will be sent back to her servers, maybe with an independent inspector or forensic investigator. Democrats had better start to ask if they can trust Hillary because she is putting them in jeopardy right alongside with her, at least electorally, because if she falters in the thick of it with no backup, that will not be good.

 
One comparison with Nixon does occur to me though - at one point he had that missing 16 minutes of tape, however long it was he disappeared some decent sized portion of his tapes. If the press via Foia or Congress via subpoenas manages to get to that server and there are mailboxes or certain time periods missing there will be big trouble. One result of releasing just 55K pages (which is really like just 10,000 emails or so, and that will be culled down further by State) is that there will inevitably be gaps, which will mean she will be sent back to her servers, maybe with an independent inspector or forensic investigator. Democrats had better start to ask if they can trust Hillary because she is putting them in jeopardy right alongside with her, at least electorally, because if she falters in the thick of it with no backup, that will not be good.
Hillary's people already have said they didn't turn over everything on the servers. So the fact that some stuff wasn't turned over wouldn't really be new information.

The 55,000 pages. Does that mean somebody printed them out and gave them as hard copies? I remember that lawyer trick.

 
I wondered about that too. That could be, but these days they put them in databases, convert them to TIF images, and that's how they get a page count. If that's the case then she already has lawyers processing and extracting this stuff. There is no way her "aides" can do all this. Once these 55K pages are culled down further and produced it will take 5 seconds for AP or Congress or whoever to call her on the gaps. This could be a real drip by drip situation and will keep arising if she just does not spill it all out or let someone independent handle it. This is expensive work too.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I wondered about that too. That could be, but these days they put them in databases, convert them to TIF images, and that's how they get a page count. If that's the case then she already has lawyers processing and extracting this stuff. There is no way her "aides" can do all this. Once these 55K pages are culled down further and produced it will take 5 seconds for AP or Congress or whoever to call her on the gaps. This could be a real drip by drip situation and will keep arising if she just does not spill it all out or let someone independent handle it. This is expensive work too.
The 55,000 were already produced to the State Department. I guess I'm confused by your wording.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I wondered about that too. That could be, but these days they put them in databases, convert them to TIF images, and that's how they get a page count. If that's the case then she already has lawyers processing and extracting this stuff. There is no way her "aides" can do all this. Once these 55K pages are culled down further and produced it will take 5 seconds for AP or Congress or whoever to call her on the gaps. This could be a real drip by drip situation and will keep arising if she just does not spill it all out or let someone independent handle it. This is expensive work too.
The 55,000 were already produced to the State Department. I guess I'm confused by your wording.
55,000 pages is not 55,000 emails. When Jeb Bush says he has produced 250,000+ emails from his 500,000 emails on his private emails and 3 million emails from his public email, that's in documents, not pages. Those are probably raw data. - State has said they have more work to do on what they have been given by Hillary, that 55,000 pages is going to be culled down even further by State, then used to produce to AP or the NYT or whatever of the 7 committees which has been requesting documents from State. They are not going to be satisfied with whatever little parcel arrives maybe on a single thumb drive.

When someone says "pages" it means that they have been transformed from "emails" or documents and into something else. That can be paper, but I doubt that happens anymore, the AP and whoever else would throw a fit if they got stuff that way. Instead the emails have probably been transformed into a different file type, which then tells you how many pages it is.

On the other hand they could just be using some rule of thumb, like 1 email = 5 pages, so if they turn over 11,000 emails they can just say "55,000 pages" or they could say 1 email = 10 pages and so 5500 emails is really "55,000 pages", etc., and so it sounds a whole lot bigger than it is.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
All this email stuff is utterly fascinating.

But let's not lose sight of the bottom line when it comes to Hillary:

She a liar and a socialist and her feet stink.

 
All this email stuff is utterly fascinating.

But let's not lose sight of the bottom line when it comes to Hillary:

She a liar and a socialist and her feet stink.
I don't think she is a socialist actually, or if she is that's secondary. - I think if someone is hoping she will be an idealist for "social justice" or whatever you want to call it, they are following the wrong candidate. She will sell out anyone, true believers in socialism, people for universal health care, people for high corporate tax rates, amnesty for illegal aliens, feminism, you name it whatever you consider socialism, if the price is right.

During the financial crisis in 2008 one of the charges was that Bill Clinton had agreed to the financial deregulation policies because the GOP and conservative Democrats held a gun to his head on all the scandals and impeachment and that kind of thing. Now if that's true, why would liberals and progressives (and socialists) want to repeat that scenario?

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I just think it's a bad idea for 4 of our last 5 Presidents' last names to be "Clinton" or "Bush".
Arkansas voters have had a Clinton on the ballot every 2 or 4 years years since around 1975, except 1990 and 2008. How do you think they feel?

But in principle, I agree with you, it's starting to look like Argentina around here.

 
I just think it's a bad idea for 4 of our last 5 Presidents' last names to be "Clinton" or "Bush".
I was going to respond to this, but Tim stated this better than I could in his thread:

All of this "another election with a Clinton or Bush" stuff is just mathematical game playing. It's silly.

If I look at elections with Clinton on the ballot, it's 2 out of 6. None of the last 4 had Clinton on the ballot.

If we add Bush to Clinton, it becomes 7 out of 10. Bush's dad was on the ticket 4 times, his son twice. But this is stupid as well since Vice-Presidents are pretty meaningless. So are First Ladies.

The truth is we elected George H. W. Bush once, Bill Clinton twice, and George W. Bush twice. None of that has anything to do with Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush. It's just a stupid math game.
 
I just think it's a bad idea for 4 of our last 5 Presidents' last names to be "Clinton" or "Bush".
I was going to respond to this, but Tim stated this better than I could in his thread:

All of this "another election with a Clinton or Bush" stuff is just mathematical game playing. It's silly.

If I look at elections with Clinton on the ballot, it's 2 out of 6. None of the last 4 had Clinton on the ballot.

If we add Bush to Clinton, it becomes 7 out of 10. Bush's dad was on the ticket 4 times, his son twice. But this is stupid as well since Vice-Presidents are pretty meaningless. So are First Ladies.

The truth is we elected George H. W. Bush once, Bill Clinton twice, and George W. Bush twice. None of that has anything to do with Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush. It's just a stupid math game.
Would you agree with Tim's comment that Hillary's role as First Lady was "meaningless"?

 
I just think it's a bad idea for 4 of our last 5 Presidents' last names to be "Clinton" or "Bush".
I was going to respond to this, but Tim stated this better than I could in his thread:

All of this "another election with a Clinton or Bush" stuff is just mathematical game playing. It's silly.

If I look at elections with Clinton on the ballot, it's 2 out of 6. None of the last 4 had Clinton on the ballot.

If we add Bush to Clinton, it becomes 7 out of 10. Bush's dad was on the ticket 4 times, his son twice. But this is stupid as well since Vice-Presidents are pretty meaningless. So are First Ladies.

The truth is we elected George H. W. Bush once, Bill Clinton twice, and George W. Bush twice. None of that has anything to do with Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush. It's just a stupid math game.
Would you agree with Tim's comment that Hillary's role as First Lady was "meaningless"?
I don't think he was saying that, he was talking about counting that as a Clinton previously serving.

But anyway, what policy decisions did Hillary make when Bill was President? She tried to generate support for universal healthcare, but that didn't fly. She was not serving as co-President, contrary to what some are suggesting. People seem to vacillating back and forth between "Hillary will just be Bill's puppet" and "Hillary will be serving a third Clinton term because she was responsible as Bill for the policy decisions that were made".

As far as what she actually accomplished while Bill was in office, she was more along the lines of, let's say, Eleanor Roosevelt, rather than Laura Bush. So not exactly meaningless compared to most First Ladies, but not one who called the shots either (from accounts of ex-Clinton staffers).

 
I just think it's a bad idea for 4 of our last 5 Presidents' last names to be "Clinton" or "Bush".
Arkansas voters have had a Clinton on the ballot every 2 or 4 years years since around 1975, except 1990 and 2008. How do you think they feel?

But in principle, I agree with you, it's starting to look like Argentina around here.
Am I missing something?

1976 Bill Clinton AG

1978 Bill Clinton Governor

1980 Bill Clinton Governor

1982 Bill Clinton Governor

1984 - Bill Clinton Governor

1986 Bill Clinton Governor (four year term)

1988 - None

1990 Bill Clinton Governor

1992 Bill Clinton President

1994 None

1996 Bill Clinton President

1998 None

2000 None

2002 None

2004 None

2006 None

2008 Hillary Clinton (primary only)

2010 None

2012 None

2014 None

1980 - Bill Clinton Governor

 
I just think it's a bad idea for 4 of our last 5 Presidents' last names to be "Clinton" or "Bush".
Arkansas voters have had a Clinton on the ballot every 2 or 4 years years since around 1975, except 1990 and 2008. How do you think they feel?

But in principle, I agree with you, it's starting to look like Argentina around here.
Am I missing something?

1976 Bill Clinton AG

1978 Bill Clinton Governor

1980 Bill Clinton Governor

1982 Bill Clinton Governor

1984 - Bill Clinton Governor

1986 Bill Clinton Governor (four year term)

1988 - None

1990 Bill Clinton Governor

1992 Bill Clinton President

1994 None

1996 Bill Clinton President

1998 None

2000 None

2002 None

2004 None

2006 None

2008 Hillary Clinton (primary only)

2010 None

2012 None

2014 None
Am I? I think I should have not said 1990 and I should have said 2012 instead of 2008 because technically Hillary was on primary ballots in almost all 50 states right up through the Demo Convention in 2012.

So basically it's every 2-4 year election in AR from 1976-2008. And now 2016. So that's 40 straight years of 2-4 year elections in AR except for one 4 year election (2012, when she was still SOS btw...). So maybe I should have put it that way.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I just think it's a bad idea for 4 of our last 5 Presidents' last names to be "Clinton" or "Bush".
I was going to respond to this, but Tim stated this better than I could in his thread:
All of this "another election with a Clinton or Bush" stuff is just mathematical game playing. It's silly.If I look at elections with Clinton on the ballot, it's 2 out of 6. None of the last 4 had Clinton on the ballot.If we add Bush to Clinton, it becomes 7 out of 10. Bush's dad was on the ticket 4 times, his son twice. But this is stupid as well since Vice-Presidents are pretty meaningless. So are First Ladies.The truth is we elected George H. W. Bush once, Bill Clinton twice, and George W. Bush twice. None of that has anything to do with Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush. It's just a stupid math game.
This doesn't make any sense. 5 of the past 7 Presidential terms have been run by either a Clinton or a Bush. That's 2 families running the show for 20 of the past 28 years.

Having the same family running our country for 24 of the last 32 or 32 of the last 35 seems absolutely insane, yet people still want Hillary on the ballot?

There's no math trickery here, if Hillary is elected a Bush or Clinton will have been running the country for 24 of the last 32 years.

 
Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 · 8m8 minutes ago

Hillary's like a Republican: Her base believes media is biased against her. Not as true of other Dems like Obama. http://53eig.ht/1ESgGyh

 
Last edited by a moderator:
She claims that she used a single email address for both government and personal correspondence so she "wouldn't have to carry around two phones."

...

No one told her that you can have multiple accounts/inboxes in pretty much every single email app on a mobile phone?

As petty as this email thing is, I seriously hope if tanks her 2016 candidacy.

I hate her so much.

 
I found this interesting just because it's Steve Landsburg defending Hillary, which would be like Scalia defending Obamacare. I always think it's kind of interesting when people take a position opposite what you'd generally expect based on overall ideological affiliation.

Those Clinton Emails
by Steve Landsburg


March 10, 2015

If Jeb Bush is elected president and appoints me Secretary of State, the first thing I will do is set up a private server to handle my official email correspondence. This is not because I expect to have anything to hide, but because I expect my email to be important, and I do not want my service to depend on the whims of the sorts of aggressively incompetent nincompoops who, in my experience, tend to populate the IT departments of large institutions.

The University of Rochester, where I work, provides email services to all its employees. I do not use those services. Instead, I own several Internet domains and manage my own email For all I know, the University IT center might currently be 100% nincompoop-free, but all past experience suggests that it’s unlikely to stay that way very long.

Yes, I realize that one is still at the mercy of one’s upstream providers. But I am here to tell you from experience that the frequency of outages and other disasters is now about 10% of what it was in the years when I was at the mercy of the IT managers.

I have absolutely no survey data on this, but I’m guessing that I’m pretty typical. Nobody else cares as much about my email as I do, so it makes sense for me to manage my own email. (You could argue otherwise if email management required significant effort or skill or knowledge, but it doesn’t.) Surely plenty of others have reached the same conclusion.

I am generally disinclined to grant politicians much benefit of the doubt, and though I aspire to apply that standard impartially, I might in fact be particularly cynical about politicians named Clinton. Nevertheless, I see nothing sinister in Mrs. Clinton’s email setup, which appears to me to be a simple exercise of prudence. Skydivers pack their own parachutes, carpenters maintain their own tools, and those of us whose lives revolve around our email are generally well advised to maintain control of it.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I found this interesting just because it's Steve Landsburg defending Hillary, which would be like Scalia defending Obamacare. I always think it's kind of interesting when people take a position opposite what you'd generally expect based on overall ideological affiliation.

Those Clinton Emails

by Steve Landsburg

March 10, 2015

If Jeb Bush is elected president and appoints me Secretary of State, the first thing I will do is set up a private server to handle my official email correspondence. This is not because I expect to have anything to hide, but because I expect my email to be important, and I do not want my service to depend on the whims of the sorts of aggressively incompetent nincompoops who, in my experience, tend to populate the IT departments of large institutions.

The University of Rochester, where I work, provides email services to all its employees. I do not use those services. Instead, I own several Internet domains and manage my own email For all I know, the University IT center might currently be 100% nincompoop-free, but all past experience suggests that it’s unlikely to stay that way very long.

Yes, I realize that one is still at the mercy of one’s upstream providers. But I am here to tell you from experience that the frequency of outages and other disasters is now about 10% of what it was in the years when I was at the mercy of the IT managers.

I have absolutely no survey data on this, but I’m guessing that I’m pretty typical. Nobody else cares as much about my email as I do, so it makes sense for me to manage my own email. (You could argue otherwise if email management required significant effort or skill or knowledge, but it doesn’t.) Surely plenty of others have reached the same conclusion.

I am generally disinclined to grant politicians much benefit of the doubt, and though I aspire to apply that standard impartially, I might in fact be particularly cynical about politicians named Clinton. Nevertheless, I see nothing sinister in Mrs. Clinton’s email setup, which appears to me to be a simple exercise of prudence. Skydivers pack their own parachutes, carpenters maintain their own tools, and those of us whose lives revolve around our email are generally well advised to maintain control of it.
I swear, I think people are completely clueless about data versus paper.

Steve Landsburg walks out of the University of Rochester administration building with 100 boxes of paper - call the cops, hold it right there, where are you going, what's in those boxes?????!!!???

Steve Landsburg pulls up a truck and starts taking servers from the administration building's basement - red, flashing lights, cameras, academic career over, maybe faces jail time.

Steve Landsburg stores University of Rochester data on his own server, 10GB, 100GB, 5TB, who knows, who cares, whatevs, hey what's in there, who knows? Right, off you go then.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Hillary is toast. The fact that she says they destroyed all the rest of the emails is enough to sink her IMO. If she claimed that she turned over all the government related emails and left it at that, it would be one thing. But to brazenly state that all the rest of the emails were destroyed is just spitting in everyone's faces at this point.

Further, it seems as if she and Bill need to get their lies together. This morning, Bill's aide stated that Bill has only sent 2 emails in his life and was very specific about them. This afternoon, Hillary claimed that her personal email contained email communication between her and Bill.

And of course there's the silly bit about her needing just 1 email account so that she didn't need 2 devices. (That's 2 weeks after talking about having both an iPhone and a Blackberry)

She's done.

 
Hillary is toast. The fact that she says they destroyed all the rest of the emails is enough to sink her IMO. If she claimed that she turned over all the government related emails and left it at that, it would be one thing. But to brazenly state that all the rest of the emails were destroyed is just spitting in everyone's faces at this point.

Further, it seems as if she and Bill need to get their lies together. This morning, Bill's aide stated that Bill has only sent 2 emails in his life and was very specific about them. This afternoon, Hillary claimed that her personal email contained email communication between her and Bill.

And of course there's the silly bit about her needing just 1 email account so that she didn't need 2 devices. (That's 2 weeks after talking about having both an iPhone and a Blackberry)

She's done.
Seems like just a sliiight overreaction here..

 
So:

1) She personally has already gone through her email record on this server and has already erased any emails she feels are irrelevant, and

2) No independent third-party will ever have access to this server to reassess the categorization of private vs. official business emails.

Hooray?
I think a judge will have final say on this, Hillary is acting like really shady corporate counsel. Think Enron.

 
So:

1) She personally has already gone through her email record on this server and has already erased any emails she feels are irrelevant, and

2) No independent third-party will ever have access to this server to reassess the categorization of private vs. official business emails.

Hooray?
I told you guys this would happen.

The moment she got wind of this don't think for one second she wasn't at her server furiously deleting everything.

 
Hillary has been so disingenuous she can't keep everything straight.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/03/10/hillary-trainwreck-it-was-inconvenient-to-carry-two-devices-for-two-e-mail-accounts-also-i-destroyed-tons-of-e-mails/

The “convenience” nonsense comes right at the beginning. The State Department does allow private e-mail use for official business, she reminds everyone. But that’s a lie too: They allow occasional use of private e-mail, not exclusive use. Her own policies as SoS confirm that. She’s not even trying here.

Four devices. She admitted this two weeks ago. On camera.

“There are reasons when you start out in Washington on a Blackberry you stay on it in many instances. But it’s also — I don’t know, I don’t throw anything away. I’m like two steps short of a hoarder. So I have an iPad, a mini iPad, an iPhone and a Blackberry.”

 
So:

1) She personally has already gone through her email record on this server and has already erased any emails she feels are irrelevant, and

2) No independent third-party will ever have access to this server to reassess the categorization of private vs. official business emails.

Hooray?
I told you guys this would happen.

The moment she got wind of this don't think for one second she wasn't at her server furiously deleting everything.
If she did that, that was not a good idea.

This ain't the Rose billing records.

 
Tell you something about IT people and criminal investigations.

It's not the MacDougals, these are just guys who do their jobs, they flip like pancakes. They don't even know what they're flipping about, they just do, slot A went into slot B.

 
So:

1) She personally has already gone through her email record on this server and has already erased any emails she feels are irrelevant, and

2) No independent third-party will ever have access to this server to reassess the categorization of private vs. official business emails.

Hooray?
I told you guys this would happen.

The moment she got wind of this don't think for one second she wasn't at her server furiously deleting everything.
If she did that, that was not a good idea.

This ain't the Rose billing records.
I don't know when the deleting happened, just that it did per a report on her statements today in Slate:

Clinton vowed that her team erred on the side of transparency when deciding which emails to turn over for archiving, but offered no supporting evidence. “I have no doubt that we have done exactly what we should have,” she said. But even if the rest of us do have doubts, Clinton said that she has no plans to allow a third party to take a look at the private server that hosted her account—“The server will remain private,” she said—and that those emails deemed not work-related have since been deleted. “I had no reason to save them,” she said.
What a slimy POS. This is the Democratic candidate? :lmao:

 
So:

1) She personally has already gone through her email record on this server and has already erased any emails she feels are irrelevant, and

2) No independent third-party will ever have access to this server to reassess the categorization of private vs. official business emails.

Hooray?
I told you guys this would happen.

The moment she got wind of this don't think for one second she wasn't at her server furiously deleting everything.
If she did that, that was not a good idea.

This ain't the Rose billing records.
I don't know when the deleting happened, just that it did per a report on her statements today in Slate:

Clinton vowed that her team erred on the side of transparency when deciding which emails to turn over for archiving, but offered no supporting evidence. “I have no doubt that we have done exactly what we should have,” she said. But even if the rest of us do have doubts, Clinton said that she has no plans to allow a third party to take a look at the private server that hosted her account—“The server will remain private,” she said—and that those emails deemed not work-related have since been deleted. “I had no reason to save them,” she said.
I haven't seen it or read it yet so caveats galore but ... That is not good, I'm just saying from her perspective and the Democratic perspective.

A corporate officer or lawyer would be looking at a very negative, downward slide after making a comment like that.

I just want all the progressives and liberals and Hillaryites - and all around Americans who care about their government - to ask what they would think if a CEO or COO or CFO of a BP or an Exxon or Goldman-Sachs said that.

Nothing may come of this, nothing does in today's society, but that does not sound good.

ETA - She doesn't even know enough to not say that, even if she was 100% pure gold innocent. Hubris plus ignorance, greed and ambition = ???

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Hillary is toast. The fact that she says they destroyed all the rest of the emails is enough to sink her IMO. If she claimed that she turned over all the government related emails and left it at that, it would be one thing. But to brazenly state that all the rest of the emails were destroyed is just spitting in everyone's faces at this point.

Further, it seems as if she and Bill need to get their lies together. This morning, Bill's aide stated that Bill has only sent 2 emails in his life and was very specific about them. This afternoon, Hillary claimed that her personal email contained email communication between her and Bill.

And of course there's the silly bit about her needing just 1 email account so that she didn't need 2 devices. (That's 2 weeks after talking about having both an iPhone and a Blackberry)

She's done.
this post is so awesome.
 
But she did not say who on her team had decided which emails to send to the government and how such a decision had been reached.Asked why she had deleted what she admitted was ‘half of her inbox’ she replied: ‘I fully complied with every government rule.’

She added: ‘They were personal and private, about matters I believe were in the scope of my personal privacy and that of other people. I did not see a reason to keep them.’
This is a major problem, she's opened herself up to a forensic investigation IMO but we shall see.

Whoever told her she should admit to deleting emails of her own choosing ought to be disbarred or thrown to the political wolves.

 
So if she had had an official state department email address and then a personal email address where she engaged in all the Benghazi cover upping, foreign donor courting, and general scheming would that have been more palatable to everyone? Seems like the general consensus.

 
Did she say that she never sent an email from her personal email account to a non-state.gov email account in which she discussed state department business?

What did she do when she was senator?

 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top