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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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cstu said:
The best thing about her being a woman is that she has a huge pressure to do well to make sure people don't view having a woman President as a mistake.
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She don't give a #### about anything but total world domination.  Power, and power only.  She'll end up with things in flames everywhere.

 
A question I would like ask Hillary ... If the North Star represents the US Constitution and the compass of great Americans like Antonin Scalia pointed straight towards the North Star, in what direction does Hillary Clinton's compass point?

 
Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton speaks at a rally in New York City on Tuesday. A group supporting her campaign says it will spend $1 million to create a real-time online task force to counter attacks against Clinton online.

Tim has been outed.

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton speaks at a rally in New York City on Tuesday. A group supporting her campaign says it will spend $1 million to create a real-time online task force to counter attacks against Clinton online.

Tim has been outed.
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Serious question:  Where is the dividing line between supporter and shill?  

A supporter seems to be one who, though favorable to a certain person/cause, is otherwise reasonable, open to objective analysis, sees the other side, does not engage in over-the-top "greatest in the history of the universe" platitudes.  Beyond that...shill.

 
jon_mx said:
This page is complete vomit.   :X :X :X :X :X
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Tim has an uncanny knack for making every topic he starts or posts in about him.  We throw him some bones, sure.  But, make no mistake, when Tim writes something, it's always--not some of the time, not most of the time, but always--with the intent of making it about Tim in the end.

 
cobalt_27 said:
Tim has an uncanny knack for making every topic he starts or posts in about him.  We throw him some bones, sure.  But, make no mistake, when Tim writes something, it's always--not some of the time, not most of the time, but always--with the intent of making it about Tim in the end.
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Lol.  I have never made this thread about me. That's what YOURE doing not me. 

And btw, if you look through this thread you'll discover that at times I've been very critical of Hillary Clinton. As any reasonable person should be. She has many many faults. 

 
timschochet said:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hillaryclintonbeijingspeech.htm

Hillary's Beijing speech from 21 years ago, one of the great speeches in American and world history: 

If there is one message that echoes forth from this conference, let it be that human rights are women’s rights and women’s rights are human rights once and for all. Let us not forget that among those rights are the right to speak freely -- and the right to be heard.
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American History Top 5 Speeches

1. MLK - I Have A Dream

2. JFK - Inaugural Address

3. Lincoln - Gettysburg Address

4. Hillary - Beijing Speech

5. Sally Field - Oscar Speech

 
timschochet said:
Lol.  I have never made this thread about me. That's what YOURE doing not me. 

And btw, if you look through this thread you'll discover that at times I've been very critical of Hillary Clinton. As any reasonable person should be. She has many many faults. 
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You have commented about her imperfections as a campaigner, but I don't recall anything substantive, save for her flip-flopping on positions, in which case an opportunity to criticize her is also an opportunity to give her praise on the same position.

 
The Commish said:
Why do I care that people in other countries like/dislike Hillary?  I care about what the people in this country think primarily because they know a lot more about her than people in these other countries.
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Jesus H. Christ, Commish.  Leave Tim alone.  This is way too easy for you. ;)

 
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www.investors.com/politics/editorials/clinton-email-scandal-is-the-state-department-part-of-a-hillary-cover-up/

I grant you the link is highly editorialized.  However--State's secretive efforts to hide the 31k emails suggests two the things:

1.  They've been recovered 

2.  They're stuff in them worth hiding 

State must not get away with it!

 
Serious Q Saints.. if you were tied to a Dem and the Republican Congress subpoenaed you would you testify at this point?  I wouldn't say a word to them.  Claim the 5th, protect myself against the subsequent twisting of my testimony and witch hunt, and let them pound sand.

 
Mr. Ham said:
www.investors.com/politics/editorials/clinton-email-scandal-is-the-state-department-part-of-a-hillary-cover-up/

I grant you the link is highly editorialized.  However--State's secretive efforts to hide the 31k emails suggests two the things:

1.  They've been recovered 

2.  They're stuff in them worth hiding 

State must not get away with it!
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Whether they've recovered them or not is a very big deal, I could see making that a "secret" at least pending the interviews, but the ex parts filing is completely unacceptable and a stupid move. Hard to understand how a federal court filing could be classified at any rate.

 
wdcrob said:
Serious Q Saints.. if you were tied to a Dem and the Republican Congress subpoenaed you would you testify at this point?  I wouldn't say a word to them.  Claim the 5th, protect myself against the subsequent twisting of my testimony and witch hunt, and let them pound sand.
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That's a fair point. From his POV there's no reason to risk anything. Pagliano has a right to his 5th amendment privilege, but he didn't take immunity from the FBI and the DOJ because of political games. People do that when they have a genuine fear of prosecution. I guess Roger Clemens is one guy I can remember being prosecuted for perjury before Congress IIRC but I'm not sure when else if has happened.

 
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cobalt_27 said:
You have commented about her imperfections as a campaigner, but I don't recall anything substantive, save for her flip-flopping on positions, in which case an opportunity to criticize her is also an opportunity to give her praise on the same position.
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To cite one example of several: i don't approve of her position on minimum wage, never have, and if you go back and look I wrote a long post criticizing it and how much it hurts business. 

 
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squistion said:
From February? Meh. We are still aways from the general election and the only unfavorables that count are against Trump - and even then I don't know how historically accurate April polls are for the general election.
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Direction is a steep trend down from last year around this time.  She was a net + before entering the Presidential race, according to Gallup.  Could that decline stabilize or even reverse?  Perhaps.  But, she needs to change something. And, fast, or else we get Trump for President.

 
squistion said:
From February? Meh. We are still aways from the general election and the only unfavorables that count are against Trump - and even then I don't know how historically accurate April polls are for the general election.
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I just want to make a point. They seem reasonable enough and are relevant for what I want to say and I'll post it tomorrow. 

 
cobalt_27 said:
Direction is a steep trend down from last year around this time.  She was a net + before entering the Presidential race, according to Gallup.  Could that decline stabilize or even reverse?  Perhaps.  But, she needs to change something. And, fast, or else we get Trump for President.
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Please. I heard that crap everyday in this thread by Saints, Sinn Fein and friends before the first debate and the Benghazi hearings - that Hillary was doomed by her unfavorables and she has to something to stop this free fall. I said it was silly then and I was right, and I think it is silly now.

 
squistion said:
Please. I heard that crap everyday in this thread by Saints, Sinn Fein and friends before the first debate and the Benghazi hearings - that Hillary was doomed by her unfavorables and she has to something to stop this free fall. I said it was silly then and I was right, and I think it is silly now.
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There is nothing silly about her performance so far and the fact Sanders has made this closer than anyone ever expected!

 
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squistion said:
Please. I heard that crap everyday in this thread by Saints, Sinn Fein and friends before the first debate and the Benghazi hearings - that Hillary was doomed by her unfavorables and she has to something to stop this free fall. I said it was silly then and I was right, and I think it is silly now.
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She flirted with losing the nomination to Sanders and likely would have lost to a slightly more conventional opponent (like how she lost to Obama).  

 
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