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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (8 Viewers)

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Small fortune? Trump's at +130 now. 
A sure thing is a sure thing and you bet every nickel you can rake up, because you can't lose. If I was as confident as you folks are about the outcome, I would cash out every bank account and stock I own and borrow everything I could on top of that. Yet no one is taking advantage of this certainly that Hillary can't beat Trump - wonder why?

 
A sure thing is a sure thing and you bet every nickel you can rake up, because you can't lose. If I was as confident as you folks are about the outcome, I would cash out every bank account and stock I own and borrow everything I could on top of that. Yet no one is taking advantage of this certainly that Hillary can't beat Trump - wonder why?
Books have small limits when it comes to politics. Also, anyone who bets offshore knows it can be a drag to get your money. As far as why people aren't betting with you it's because your lack of character is obvious.  I wouldn't bet a nickle with you as I'm sure the second your wager starts looking like a loser, you'll disappear like a fart in the wind.

 
A sure thing is a sure thing and you bet every nickel you can rake up, because you can't lose. If I was as confident as you folks are about the outcome, I would cash out every bank account and stock I own and borrow everything I could on top of that. Yet no one is taking advantage of this certainly that Hillary can't beat Trump - wonder why?
So you have bet all your money on Hillary then?

 
Books have small limits when it comes to politics. Also, anyone who bets offshore knows it can be a drag to get your money. As far as why people aren't betting with you it's because your lack of character is obvious.  I wouldn't bet a nickle with you as I'm sure the second your wager starts looking like a loser, you'll disappear like a fart in the wind.
Been here since 2003, 6 years before your alias started.

 
It is good to see Hillary' statement of "It was allowed" is now "I thought it was allowed"......If only she would have been truthful upfront.  I guess she must think it is an easier sell to her loyal brown shirts if she slowly changes her story.  Or maybe she just only tells the truth after she is caught.  Or maybe a combination of both.  

 
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It is good to see Hillary' statement of "It was allowed" is now "I thought it was allowed"......If only she would have been truthful upfront.  I guess she must think it is an easier sell to her loyal brown shirts if she slowly changes her story.  Or maybe she just only tells the truth after she is caught.  Or maybe a combination of both.  
Those goalposts are sure moving.  Almost a 70 yarder now...

 
Of course she can, don't be silly. And if you believe otherwise you have the opportunity to make a small fortune at the online betting sites for the general election - but none of the Hillary haters have yet taken advantage of this sure thing for some odd reason.

And you are right, if he insults her in the debate she will just laugh at him and instead discuss the issues that people are concerned with. If he wants to engage in name calling and scandals from the 90s, bring it on and see how far it really gets him.
There are plenty of more recent scandals for him to choose from.   Probably plenty more on the way.

 
It is really an odd race.  Somehow both sides not only picked the most polarizing candidate, they also picked candidates who have weak support amoung their base. This race is so ripe for a third party candidate.  
None of this makes any sense. Hillary is not a polarizing candidate; she is a centrist. She neither inspires love nor hate (most of the "hatred" against Hillary is the generic hatred against Democrats from the right and establishment figures from the left and right). 

Trump is a polarizing figure, but he has strong support from the Republican base, not weak support as you claim. 

 
None of this makes any sense. Hillary is not a polarizing candidate; she is a centrist. She neither inspires love nor hate (most of the "hatred" against Hillary is the generic hatred against Democrats from the right and establishment figures from the left and right). 

Trump is a polarizing figure, but he has strong support from the Republican base, not weak support as you claim. 
She's neck and neck with Donald for the highest unfavorable rating in history.

 
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She's neck and neck with Donald for the highest unfavorable rating in history.
Not really pertinent to what I wrote. 

But in any case here's a prediction, Saints: between now and November, Hillary Clinton's favorability numbers will go up considerably, while Donald Trump's will stay relatively where they are. 

 
Can you explain to all of us just why you have this hatred of aliases?
It is in the forum rules. I like to talk to one identity and the same identity, not someone using three different handles just to troll people (which happens constantly in this thread) or someone banned that keeps emerging under a supposedly new identity to continue their trolling. From the pinned Free For All FAQ:
 

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/319399-free-for-all-faq/

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Are a pain for moderators. If you feel the need to create extra accounts just for trolling, this message board isn't for you. We see them; we close them. New accounts created in response to having your original account suspended/banned may also be axed.



 
Not really pertinent to what I wrote. 

But in any case here's a prediction, Saints: between now and November, Hillary Clinton's favorability numbers will go up considerably, while Donald Trump's will stay relatively where they are. 
I think the unfavorability number is definite ly an indicator of polarization.

You may be right on her favorability number rising this summer but she continues to drive the Unfav number which with Trump's is driving people's frustration with the choices.

 
Can you explain to all of us just why you have this hatred of aliases?
It is in the forum rules. I like to talk to one identity and the same identity, not someone using three different handles just to troll people (which happens constantly in this thread) or someone banned that keeps emerging under a supposedly new identity to continue their trolling. From the pinned Free For All FAQ:
Yes, if there's one thing Hillary supporters are known for, it's their zero-tolerance policy for those who break the rules.

 
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None of this makes any sense. Hillary is not a polarizing candidate;
She's pretty much the definition of polarizing. In an early debate in which the Dem candidates were asked to name their enemies, many of them said things like the NRA or various lobbying groups. Hillary cheerfully offered "Republicans".

 
None of this makes any sense. Hillary is not a polarizing candidate; she is a centrist. She neither inspires love nor hate (most of the "hatred" against Hillary is the generic hatred against Democrats from the right and establishment figures from the left and right). 

Trump is a polarizing figure, but he has strong support from the Republican base, not weak support as you claim. 
God, you just don't get the difference between your fantasy and reality, do you?

 
None of this makes any sense. Hillary is not a polarizing candidate; she is a centrist. She neither inspires love nor hate (most of the "hatred" against Hillary is the generic hatred against Democrats from the right and establishment figures from the left and right). 

Trump is a polarizing figure, but he has strong support from the Republican base, not weak support as you claim. 
How can anyone claim Hillary is not a polarizing candidate???? :confused:  

Can you take off your Hillary-rose colored glasses or are they permanently affixed?  

 
I think the unfavorability number is definite ly an indicator of polarization.

You may be right on her favorability number rising this summer but she continues to drive the Unfav number which with Trump's is driving people's frustration with the choices.
I disagree on your first point. But we'll see. 

Honestly my theory about Hillary's unfavorability numbers is related less to her ethical issues, which have been sunk in with voters for a while now, and much more with the central problem for her: Bernie Sanders and the failure, thus far, to unify the Democrats, liberals, and the anti- Trump forces. Let Bernie finally bow out of the race. Let the Democratic convention happen. Let there, for the very first time in this election cycle, be ONE and only one opponent to Donald Trump. And then we'll see if Hillary's numbers stay low. I don't believe they will. 

 
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A polarizing figure is a person who inspires passionate love and hatred. Hillary is the opposite of that. From those who are opposed to her she inspires disdain and dislike. For most of those who support her she inspires respect (sometimes grudging), admiration, agreement on issues. She is not Ronald Reagan or Barack Obama, probably the two most polarizing politicians of our lifetime (until Trump that us.) there is no huge passion for her or against her. She doesn't excite. 

Whixh is fine for me. I think we've had enough excitement. Stability and boring is good. 

 
I disagree on your first point. But we'll see. 

Honestly my theory about Hillary's unfavorability numbers is related less to her ethical issues, which have been sunk in with voters for a while now, and much more with the central problem for her: Bernie Sanders and the failure, thus far, to unify the Democrats, liberals, and the anti- Trump forces. Let Bernie finally bow out of the race. Let the Democratic convention happen. Let there, for the very first time in this election cycle, be ONE and only one opponent to Donald Trump. And then we'll see if Hillary's numbers stay low. I don't believe they will. 
And on that point:

Sanders says Clinton’s email situation has changed


Months after telling Hillary Clinton that Americans were “sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails,” Bernie Sanders may be changing his mind.

Interviewed Friday on “Real Time with Bill Maher” on HBO, Sanders was asked if the furor over Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state had become large enough for the Vermont senator to reconsider his refusal to engage Clinton on the issue.

“It has,” he said. “But this is what I also think: There is an enormous frustration on the part of the American people.”

...
http://www.columbian.com/news/2016/may/28/sanders-says-clintons-email-situation-has-changed/

 
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There's also this, which ties in with the committee concession that Henry pointed out before:

In another sign Sanders has taken off the gloves, his campaign late Friday demanded the ouster of Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy and former Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts from a platform committee at the Democratic National Convention. The campaign, in a statement, said the two are “aggressive attack surrogates” for Clinton, and Sanders’s lawyer said Malloy and Frank can’t work impartially “while laboring under such deeply held bias.”

In a letter delivered to Democratic National Committee late Friday, Brad Deutsch, Sanders’s campaign counsel, wrote of animosity by Frank toward Sanders dating to 1991.
http://www.columbian.com/news/2016/may/28/sanders-says-clintons-email-situation-has-changed/

- Sounds like seats on the platform isn't going to cut it by itself.

 
I think Hillary is in for a disappointment if she thinks voters are just going to automatically line up behind her. Many Bernie supporters simply do not like Hillary - not her policies or positions - the candidate herself. That's the one thing that won't change after July. Of course there will be some - but I think "uniting" the party will be more difficult this time than it was in 08.

 
I think Hillary is in for a disappointment if she thinks voters are just going to automatically line up behind her. Many Bernie supporters simply do not like Hillary - not her policies or positions - the candidate herself. That's the one thing that won't change after July. Of course there will be some - but I think "uniting" the party will be more difficult this time than it was in 08.
Lot of Bernie supporters here in Boise. Seeing the same thing.  And now they are getting pissed about how rigged it is against Bernie, adding fuel to the anger that led to Bernie and Trump rising.

 
It is in the forum rules. I like to talk to one identity and the same identity, not someone using three different handles just to troll people (which happens constantly in this thread) or someone banned that keeps emerging under a supposedly new identity to continue their trolling. From the pinned Free For All FAQ:
 
I didn't see you calling out Tim for  using one of his several aliases while banned.

 
Lot of Bernie supporters here in Boise. Seeing the same thing.  And now they are getting pissed about how rigged it is against Bernie, adding fuel to the anger that led to Bernie and Trump rising.
So rigged she has gotten 2 1/2 million more votes than Bernie. :hophead:

 
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Not really pertinent to what I wrote. 

But in any case here's a prediction, Saints: between now and November, Hillary Clinton's favorability numbers will go up considerably, while Donald Trump's will stay relatively where they are. 
What will she possibly do to make those numbers go up?   

 
I think we've had enough excitement. Stability and boring is good. 
Same poll:

Only 23 percent said they were excited about the election, while 37 percent felt hopeful.

Meanwhile, two-thirds of those surveyed said the presidential race is interesting, compared to the 30 percent who called it boring.


- I will say I think there is a group out there, and it crosses all party lines, which is picking these people (Hillary and Trump) as a kind of antagonizing element. There are people who like Hillary because they think it will aggravate the Republicans and there are those who are picking Trump because they think it will stir things up and make politics exciting. Some people just want to see a fight no matter how much damage is done, they want to be entertained. As a local neurologist one told me about some schizophrenics, "they enjoy the symptoms."

 
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 And now they are getting pissed about how rigged it is against Bernie, adding fuel to the anger that led to Bernie and Trump rising.
This is the most unfortunate part of this whole mess, and to me it's the most frustrating. There is no evidence whatsoever of any "rigging" that had any effect on this race. In fact, every piece of evidence we have suggests just the opposite: that the more democratic the primaries are, the more Hillary wins. Yet so many people seem to believe otherwise, with nothing to back it up. 

 
I disagree on your first point. But we'll see. 

Honestly my theory about Hillary's unfavorability numbers is related less to her ethical issues, which have been sunk in with voters for a while now, and much more with the central problem for her: Bernie Sanders and the failure, thus far, to unify the Democrats, liberals, and the anti- Trump forces. Let Bernie finally bow out of the race. Let the Democratic convention happen. Let there, for the very first time in this election cycle, be ONE and only one opponent to Donald Trump. And then we'll see if Hillary's numbers stay low. I don't believe they will. 
Another example of why you don't have a grasp of the political climate and Hillary. Her unfavorable numbers are very related to her trust issues and that she is perceived as part of the establishment. The email situation only reinforces and worsens her reputation as someone that can be trusted.

 
Another example of why you don't have a grasp of the political climate and Hillary. Her unfavorable numbers are very related to her trust issues and that she is perceived as part of the establishment. The email situation only reinforces and worsens her reputation as someone that can be trusted.
If her numbers don't go up after July I will come into this thread and post that I was wrong about this, and that you, BeaverCleaver, were right, (among many others.) 

Will you do the same? If Hillary's numbers go up the closer we get to November, will you come in and concede that I was right that they would do so? 

 
This is the most unfortunate part of this whole mess, and to me it's the most frustrating. There is no evidence whatsoever of any "rigging" that had any effect on this race. In fact, every piece of evidence we have suggests just the opposite: that the more democratic the primaries are, the more Hillary wins. Yet so many people seem to believe otherwise, with nothing to back it up. 
They don't care about the facts, Timmy. If your starting premise in every situation is that Hillary is a career criminal, then you will view every outcome as being fixed no matter how much objective evidence there is to the contrary.

 
Another example of why you don't have a grasp of the political climate and Hillary. Her unfavorable numbers are very related to her trust issues and that she is perceived as part of the establishment. The email situation only reinforces and worsens her reputation as someone that can be trusted.
Hillary has been so caught up in her own controversies that it's easy to forget one of the early drivers of Trump, the forthcoming expected Bush Vs Clinton sure thing matchup. Half that equation is still there. Trump already took care of the other half.

 
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If her numbers don't go up after July I will come into this thread and post that I was wrong about this, and that you, BeaverCleaver, were right, (among many others.) 

Will you do the same? If Hillary's numbers go up the closer we get to November, will you come in and concede that I was right that they would do so? 
Sure Tim...if you need your ego stroked I will do that. This is sort of like the obsession some of you have with betting. 

 
This is the most unfortunate part of this whole mess, and to me it's the most frustrating. There is no evidence whatsoever of any "rigging" that had any effect on this race. In fact, every piece of evidence we have suggests just the opposite: that the more democratic the primaries are, the more Hillary wins. Yet so many people seem to believe otherwise, with nothing to back it up. 
Is this you Scho?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tTtibiaN4mU/hqdefault.jpg

Maybe rigged wasn't the best word, but the odds were stacked against anyone running against Hillary by design from the start.

Debate schedule, Wasserman, etc...

 
If her numbers don't go up after July I will come into this thread and post that I was wrong about this, and that you, BeaverCleaver, were right, (among many others.) 

Will you do the same? If Hillary's numbers go up the closer we get to November, will you come in and concede that I was right that they would do so? 
I will absolutely come in and say I was wrong.  It's not a coincidence that her numbers have plummeted.  It's not because she's still in a race with Sanders.  It's because she's a ####### scumbag.

 
Sure Tim...if you need your ego stroked I will do that. This is sort of like the obsession some of you have with betting. 
:lmao:  Not an obsession at all. I don't care what you do, actually. But it's interesting to me that there's been a million and one predictions of Hillary failing in this thread, and whenever she wins another victory none of you guys ever come in here and say that you were wrong. Never happens. You just move on to the next prediction of her losing. 

 
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