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What an absolutely bizarre election cycle.  Case of the Oligarchy not being able to see the absurdity beyond the tip of its nose. 

GOP has to realize at this point -- it could put almost anyone but Trump up and dunk on Clinton.  What an absolute waste.  When the dust settles, Hillary will run away with this thing despite the overwhelming sentiment that she's corrupt and undeserving of the office. 
No, it can't.  The same reason that the Democrats can't just dump Hillary - they have a large base of supporters and you'll lose a large percentage of them if you snatch the nomination away.  You'd need some major event to dislodge either of them at this point - its just not going to happen.

 
This "stump speech" thing here in NC isn't going so well.  Yikes!!!  Obama has some rust on his stump delivery.  It's not pretty.

 
Yes, murdered. There were reports of men who were probable informants in Syria and other Middle Eastern countries disappearing or being found dead. We'll never know just how many informants or spies were compromised or what consequences to them occurred due to her private server. The fact that it's even potentially a possibility is highly disturbing.
That's connecting dots about which you have no idea.  We've no idea what was in those classified emails and won't for quite some time.  

 
The Hildos are the new Tea Party on the right.  Their shtick is how they love to post quick, short,  arrogant responses. 

 
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/private-email-freedom-of-information-225100

- Hillary's case is going to have continuing impact on public records requests and as for her own emails the FBI & DOJ will have to answer soon enough about what has been recovered or is recoverable.
So when Hillary is elected, will the House Republicans (Cause they will probably keep the house) start having endless special committees' about Hilary's Emails? Just like Benghazi?

 
Let's reverse roles here - if it had been Donald Trump that had been under investigation for this same type of thing, and was cleared of wrongdoing, the entire internet may explode, as well as, the robot heads of every major news outlet.  With Hillary, the media is (for the most part) going to cover this for a couple days before it's wiped under the rug.  
And the people acting like Hillary committed double homicide would be apologizing for Trump and acting like it was no big deal.  It's a two-way street.  

 
Saints:

This is really incredible. I guess this means that the FBI was not able to recover the deleted emails. How this is not obstruction of justice I am not sure.
Once the FBI concluded that the deletions were not criminal in nature, it meant that "obstruction of justice" was no longer on the table.

(I think.)

 
Yes, murdered. There were reports of men who were probable informants in Syria and other Middle Eastern countries disappearing or being found dead. We'll never know just how many informants or spies were compromised or what consequences to them occurred due to her private server. The fact that it's even potentially a possibility is highly disturbing.
That's connecting dots about which you have no idea.  We've no idea what was in those classified emails and won't for quite some time
Plus this little nugget:

Many of the “secret” and “top secret” emails were written or forwarded by Mrs. Clinton’s senior aides. None of the emails were marked classified at the time.

 
There is no more BIG issue with this.  The classified information was what was important and the FOIA does not deal with that. 
It's not as big, no. However anything corporate, Foundation or Teneo could cause problems for her. However IMO there is zero chance the FBI would go back and investigate her again stemming form any of this.

 
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Yes, murdered. There were reports of men who were probable informants in Syria and other Middle Eastern countries disappearing or being found dead. We'll never know just how many informants or spies were compromised or what consequences to them occurred due to her private server. The fact that it's even potentially a possibility is highly disturbing.
That's connecting dots about which you have no idea.  We've no idea what was in those classified emails and won't for quite some time
Plus this little nugget:

Many of the “secret” and “top secret” emails were written or forwarded by Mrs. Clinton’s senior aides. None of the emails were marked classified at the time.
False - Comey explicitly refuted this today.

 
Saints:

This is really incredible. I guess this means that the FBI was not able to recover the deleted emails. How this is not obstruction of justice I am not sure.
Once the FBI concluded that the deletions were not criminal in nature, it meant that "obstruction of justice" was no longer on the table.

(I think.)
Makes sense and rational. It is interesting that Heather Samuelson was in the final interview with Hillary though, she handled the first round of the deletions.

 
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It's not as big, no. However anything corporate, Foundation or Teneo could cause problems for her. However IMO there is zero chance the FBI would go back and investigate her again stemming form any of this.
Any Congressional investigation will be just as partisan and just as worthless as the Benghazi ones.  They won't effect her chances, though it would be sweet if Democrats offered up a bipartisan committee in exchange for some reasonable gun laws.

 
All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.
From occasionally perusing this thread, I would have thought that they would've found copious amounts of obstruction.

 
So when Hillary is elected, will the House Republicans (Cause they will probably keep the house) start having endless special committees' about Hilary's Emails? Just like Benghazi?
Wouldn't be surprised. - However I think we can be sure Hillary or Bill will do something else entirely newly dumb and the GOP will drive it over a cliff whatever it is and we will be wrapped up in more dysfunction.

 
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All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.
From occasionally perusing this thread, I would have thought that they would've found copious amounts of obstruction.
Obstruction?  pfft, try MURDER!!!!

 
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It's in indictment on us that we care about something so inconsequential...and then we have the gall to complain about the government not functioning properly.  Maybe, just maybe, we're not functioning properly.  
The citizenry is a result of its leadership. So no.

 
 You sure about that?  "Senior aides" is the key wording there. 
I was responding to your saying: " None of the emails were marked classified at the time."

Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information.
- Comey (and small number could be a handful or a small percentage which could be quite a bit).

Actually I'm not sure if you meant none at all or if you were referring to the TS stuff. If you mean the latter, sorry, I thought it was just not any classified-marked documents anywhere you were referring to.

 
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I was responding to your saying: " None of the emails were marked classified at the time."

- Comey (and small number could be a handful or a small percentage which could be quite a bit).

Actually I'm not sure if you meant none at all or if you were referring to the TS stuff. If you mean the latter, sorry, I thought it was just not any classified-marked documents anywhere you were referring to.
Yeah there were a few hundred that were classified, but that doesn't mean they were "marked" classified. My point was that many of them were emails that her aides forwarded, she never even saw them.  In government it is common practice that aides will handle a significant number of email traffic, the Secretary of State reads only a fraction of incoming emails every day.  I'm not sure people understand that.  Doesn't excuse it either BTW, those emails should have never been on a non secured server. 

 
Hard to believe the aides pulling the information off of classified systems and sending it to private systems got off as well.  They obviously knew what they were doing.

It's good to be the Queen!

 
I've been busy at work all morning, and Im only catching up on this stuff now. 

I'm disappointed. I think it's probable that Hillary lied, both about her reason for having the private email server, and about receiving classified material. I think she was careless. I have to say my opinion of her has gone down since this morning, listening to Comey confirm some things which I refused to believe. 

I still think she'll make an excellent President. But I like her a little less now.

 
My experience in maritime law
The definitions in multiple legal dictionaries seem to run totally contrary to your experience.

http://thelawdictionary.org/carelessness/

http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?typed=Careless&type=1

http://www.nolo.com/dictionary/careless-term.html

http://dictionary.findlaw.com/definition/careless.html

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Careless

I mean, literally every single one lists negligent as a definition of careless. All except one list it as the very first definition. I find it extremely difficult to believe that every single legal dictionary indicates that they are the same, but the legal world treats them differently. Is it your claim that literally every single legal dictionary is incorrect?

 
I've been busy at work all morning, and Im only catching up on this stuff now. 

I'm disappointed. I think it's probable that Hillary lied, both about her reason for having the private email server, and about receiving classified material. I think she was careless. I have to say my opinion of her has gone down since this morning, listening to Comey confirm some things which I refused to believe. 

I still think she'll make an excellent President. But I like her a little less now.
Tim...this is where its hard to defend you.

You just now like her a little less?

 
And as most of us thought, nothing was ever going to happen to Hillary.  She is a Clinton.  The rules do no apply.  She wins in a landslide in November. 

 
Saints:

Wait stop - I misread your post: yes, Comey has said that some were MARKED classified.
Comey's statement is somewhat vague about how the emails were marked. He said that some emails "bore markings indicating the presence of classified information". But what does that mean? Were they marked "classified" in the subject line? Did they have one of those red flags next to them? Or did the sender put a
tag somewhere in the body of the email? I would think Hillary's level of culpability is directly tied to how those emails were "marked".
 
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