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It's a classic move - Hillary is caught destroying public records almost certainly reflecting communications about corporate Foundation, CGI and donor Pay To Play and whaddyaknow she is now the big corruption crime fighting advocate. There probably isn't any position draconian enough she wouldn't propose to flip the script. Her trust/honest number is on the toilet so now she's caped crusader.IvanKaramazov said:
Wow. This is simply the exact opposite of the truth.cobalt_27 said:
That's why I wrote it makes no sense.IvanKaramazov said:
Whether or not she is fond of it, she is very very good at it. Even her biggest critics here have noted how good she is at debates (vs town halls, for instance). You're the only one to assert that she is poor at debates. I have no idea where you're getting this.cobalt_27 said:
It's exactly the truth and even in your wild fantasy defense of Hillary, you know it. She is good with a script in some circumstances, but comes off very poorly when pressed by a challenger. It's painful to watch her, it must be painful to be her, especially for someone who by her own admission needs to choose her words carefully and choreograph every syllable.
Have you ever watched Hillary in a debate? Or did you see her testify before Congress for hours?
Hey remember that time Hillary just randomly made stuff up in a debate out of desperation?
I think you're thinking of somebody else. You must be.
Tim, I don't know what you're referring to. In response to questions about her trustworthiness, Hillary said:
Saints I know you can't pass up criticizing Hillary any time you get a chance...but even you have acknowledged in the past that she's a pretty good debater.
Are you talking about the Congressional hearing where she lied under oath?
I think you're thinking of somebody else. You must be.
I've said what Hillary's strengths are - she's disciplined, extremely prepared, knowledgeable. She also has weaknesses - she gets panicky, she makes up whoppers on the spot, she gets cornered, she's not good at being extemporaneous.
I think Tim blacks out every time this happens. Tim would be the worst advisor ever. You know, those people who say everything their boss does is great, awesome, no need to change anything. The best advisors is to see reality for what it is, make honest--sometimes unflattering--observations. Tim is nothing more than a human Pom-Pom.
Tim, that's never been something of interest to you. Being a shill is your defining characteristic.
The most reliable drinking game ever...take a drink every time she cackles at a question before responding.
Tim, we are seeing a replay of the six months before the debate in Iowa. Every day 3-4 people would post in this thread that Hillary was terrible at debates, speaking in public and doing interviews with reporters - and would fail miserably once people heard her. We pointed out that for anyone who watched the 2008 debates, while she didn't do as well as Obama, she gave a good account of herself and would do so again versus Bernie (which is exactly what happened and the Democrats responded by giving her over 3 million more votes).
No doubt Cobalt and company will tell us how terrible she was and how she will lose the election as a result. And after she wins they will pretend they never wrote that, and then they will complain what a terrible President she is and how she is sure to be a one termer (if she makes it that long before being impeached.) And then when she's re-elected it will start all over for her second term...
On 3 separate occasions I have asked you to provide specific and clear evidence that Hillary Clinton lied under oath. I am now asking for a 4th and final time. If you again refuse to respond I see no choice but to treat you in this thread as I do Mr. Ham and MOP: wacky conspiracy theorists who are amusing to make fun of but who are not deserving of serious discussion and debate.
Hillary is a lawyer and knows all the legal loop holes. She made sure to not take an oath or sign any transcripts.
Tim, first, I'm not aware of any occasions you have asked to provide anything of the sort, let alone 3 times. And, if you had, I would have told you then that, among other things, her statement that she had never sent or received any emails on her private system that were marked classified was a lie. You will counter that it was a false statement, but not a lie, and we can go around and around in circles.
Yeah, she's a great debater. Definitely a strength of hers. Her trouble comes from when she's facing another great debater and they land a point she didn't anticipate. Then she flounders. Will be fascinating to see how she fares against Trump. She'll annihilate him via any traditional debate points, but I don't think he's able/willing to stay within that format. Curious to see how well she prepares against his unique style.
Certainly a contrast in styles.
She may be more prepared to answer questions about her accomplishments as Secretary of State the second time around?
Two totally different audiences here. Hillary is going to be addressing the people who want to hear about policy. Trump is going to addressing the people who want to hear a put-down that they can hoot and hollar over. It's extremely easy to imagine both candidates solidly "winning" each debate according to the standards that their supporters are judging them by.
What can she talk about in a positive way? Russia, Egypt, Libya (the overthrow), Iran, TPP, etc.? I don't see a single major subject in which the office made things better.
Really? Thanks to Hillary, future Secretaries of State are going to be much more careful when it comes to how they handle classified information. She managed to get that situation improved single-handedly.
The debates were all between 8 and 9pm eastern. NCAA final is a big event, but it lost 38% of its ratings heading to cable. Hardly something you absolutely need to avoid. This is sounds just like more whining by Bernie supporters.cobalt_27 said:
Why? If anything the result of her reckless and irresponsible actions show that you can pretty much do whatever you want as SOS and get away with it with no repercussions whatsoever.
What about a lying President makes you think the country would be harmed? That's pretty much par for the course.
She did not lobby for more debates. Until Bernie started doing well. Then she lobbied for a limited number. Bernie agreed to her one debate if she agreed to 4 more. She dodged the last one once she started pulling ahead but ultimately agreed to do it once she got flack for ducking.
dparker -- Lots of us were here in this thread when this was taking place. I know it's a pain, but you can go back and see that Bernie supporters (disclosure: I'm not one of them) were complaining about this at the time. This isn't some made up after-the-fact rationalization.
