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They're records relating to a federal election.  
That's a blanket definition that would include a wide variety of material under state and city control, public records laws aren't intended to make things less transparent. - The city just loaned out 15 mill that's the people's money, the DNC has no right to withhold that information from them, and the FEC isn't even intervening.

 
Not sure why.  Hillary's already proven she's a habitual liar.  She fails miserably in this category.  Donald, well, it's an unknown if he means what he says politically.  On the issue of honesty, so far, we have a complete unknown and a miserable fail.  I'm fine with calling it a wash for now.
Donald actually has a longer track record of lying.  He's been a public figure for 40 years and he's been lying in public that entire time.  Plus, Donald has no ability to speak for any period of time without lying.  
Like I said...I'm fine with a wash at this point.  If you think lying for 40 years is significantly different than lying for 30-35 years, you draw that arbitrary line and run with it.  If you think that lying over real estate deals is significantly different than lying over matters of national security, run with it. :shrug:  

 
The context of the conversation already taking place was about NATO. So you'll forgive me if I naturally concluded that's what you were talking about. 

In any case, even if we're not talking about that subject but talking about overall honesty, by any objective standard it is hardly a "wash", and it is still incredibly irresponsible for anyone to make that claim. But I've come to realize that that is YOUR MO. From the beginning of this election season you have pretended to be neutral, yet all the while discounting the dangers of Donald Trump while overstating the flaws of Hillary Clinton. Which of course is your prerogative. I just heartily disagree. 
Link?

Again, because I understand the realities of what Trump CAN do and don't go full bore defcon 1 like you do, doesn't mean I discount the dangers of Trump.  You'll have to be specific about which comments have been so over the line.  I've made many comments...you're using that broad brush again.  It's tough to take that accusation seriously given Comey basically regurgitated exactly what I said at the beginning of the email fiasco.  Seems spot on, so if there's something else, please correct it.  I suspect this is another case of going deaf in your own echo chamber though.

 
That's a blanket definition that would include a wide variety of material under state and city control, public records laws aren't intended to make things less transparent. - The city just loaned out 15 mill that's the people's money, the DNC has no right to withhold that information from them, and the FEC isn't even intervening.
You realize that the delay is 60 days or so, right?  And this issue is potentially extremely complicated - your conclusions are just entirely superficial.  

 
That's a blanket definition that would include a wide variety of material under state and city control, public records laws aren't intended to make things less transparent. - The city just loaned out 15 mill that's the people's money, the DNC has no right to withhold that information from them, and the FEC isn't even intervening.
From a big picture overview this is what you want if you are the GOP...honesty and a "rigged system" are major issues in this election...if you are the DNC I would think you would want this issue resolved ASAP so the perception is reality BS doesn't take over with something like this...

 
All the democrats had to do was take the high road and be extra civil once Hillary opened up a huge lead a month ago and I think they could cruise to victory.  Instead they got down in the dirt and called Trump a bigot and hitler, voters got sick of it and switched to Trump, and now the race can very easily be lost.  

 
You realize that the delay is 60 days or so, right?  And this issue is potentially extremely complicated - your conclusions are just entirely superficial.  
I really don't care about the DNC (or the RNC) here, to me the public should have control over their own money and information. But yeah, you're right. We speculate here, DP, we speculate. We have no more insight into this stuff than the four corners of that article gives us.

 
I did read the article. They're city records, not FEC records in this case.
Now read Article VI of the Constitution. Then read up on Supremacy Clause jurisprudence. Then read the federal legislation cited by the committee as well as the state open records law cited by the journalist and consider whether this might be a case of express preemption, conflict preemption or field preemption.  Once you've done that you'd be qualified to pass judgment on this matter.

Or even better- just stop, dude.  How anyone could watch that ####show last night and think it's important to debate the timing of the release of Convention donor information is mind-boggling.  You're a cop arguing about whether a car is parked 17 inches or 19 inches from the curb while there's a shootout going on across the street.

 
Did you read the article?  The DNC is claiming FEC laws control the timing of the release of the information, and that they'll release the information within 60 days after the convention.  So the question is whether federal election law preempts the city laws in this area.  

Reasonable arguments can be made either way, 
I've only read the linked article, but the DNC's argument here does not seem reasonable.

 
Now read Article VI of the Constitution. Then read up on Supremacy Clause jurisprudence. Then read the federal legislation cited by the committee as well as the state open records law cited by the journalist and consider whether this might be a case of express preemption, conflict preemption or field preemption.  Once you've done that you'd be qualified to pass judgment on this matter.
I'm qualified.  It's a silly argument.

 
I also think Kaine is a mistake, but I don't think very many Sanders people stay home. Not after last night. 
I'm not sure why Kaine would be a mistake, in fact it is probably the smart choice.  Hillary is the favorite and he is a safe choice.  While progressives might not like it, I don't see them switching to Trump or for that matter Stein in any significant numbers.  I would think there is more of a danger of her losing votes from folks in the political center if she were to go with a progressive candidate than picking a centrist candidate and losing the progressive vote.

 
She should pick Warren, she will pick Kaine.
You don't pick the best qualified, you pick the one that can win you a state or two that is contested. Also, Hillary is posing as a woman so she already covered that base. No reason for another woman on the ticket.

Democrats close to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign signaled strongly Thursday that she would choose Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia as her running mate, rounding out the ticket with a popular politician from a battleground state.

You have to fool as many lemmings as possible.

 
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All the democrats had to do was take the high road and be extra civil once Hillary opened up a huge lead a month ago and I think they could cruise to victory.  Instead they got down in the dirt and called Trump a bigot and hitler, voters got sick of it and switched to Trump, and now the race can very easily be lost.  
Those people called that man a bigot.  Thats it, im going to votevote for him.

Said no one ever.

 
You don't pick the best qualified, you pick the one that can win you a state or two that is contested. Also, Hillary is posing as a woman so she already covered that base. No reason for another woman on the ticket.

Democrats close to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign signaled strongly Thursday that she would choose Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia as her running mate, rounding out the ticket with a popular politician from a battleground state.

You have to fool as many lemmings as possible.
She picks Kaine she loses many Sanders supports and some go to Trump.   Fear and lying about bring back jobs will win every time over political correctness and wall street.   The train is barrelling down the tracks.  You better look up and switch tracks before it runs you over. 

 
Those people called that man a bigot.  Thats it, im going to votevote for him.

Said no one ever.
I know many accomplished people voting Trump and I the only reason I can come up with is fear.   He is backing the cops 100%, US jobs/trade agreements, keeping out terrorists and illegals without being pc this draws a lot of votes while praying on fear.

 
She picks Kaine she loses many Sanders supports and some go to Trump.   Fear and lying about bring back jobs will win every time over political correctness and wall street.   The train is barrelling down the tracks.  You better look up and switch tracks before it runs you over. 
I really don't care who wins as long as the markets go up. So when Hillary wins, it will be good for me. Trump seriously has no chance. This is a one person race against her own stupidity. All she has to do is reign it in for the next few months.

 
I'm not sure why Kaine would be a mistake, in fact it is probably the smart choice.  Hillary is the favorite and he is a safe choice.  While progressives might not like it, I don't see them switching to Trump or for that matter Stein in any significant numbers.  I would think there is more of a danger of her losing votes from folks in the political center if she were to go with a progressive candidate than picking a centrist candidate and losing the progressive vote.
This is 2016, you need to adjust.  Throw the old rules out this election.

 
You don't pick the best qualified, you pick the one that can win you a state or two that is contested. Also, Hillary is posing as a woman so she already covered that base. No reason for another woman on the ticket.

Democrats close to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign signaled strongly Thursday that she would choose Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia as her running mate, rounding out the ticket with a popular politician from a battleground state.

You have to fool as many lemmings as possible.
Fooling lemmings is what Trump is doing with Pence :lol:

Initially l liked Kaine. Didn't know a ton about him other than a fairly big name, southernish state, has foreign affairs experience. Read a little about him and watched a bit and he is super boring. 

Warren IMO would fire up way more people and she puts Donald on tilt. She loves pushing his buttons. She also gives a good speech. 

It shouldn't matter as she should win but you never know. Orange man could pull it out if a few things break his way.

 
Well I am still undecided.  Right now I'd lean 40% don't waste an hour in line, 40% Gary Johnson, 10% someone else, 10% Trump.  The convention didn't move the needle one way or another for me.  Waiting for the debates to determine which direction I'll go.

That said, I can admit that the convention should have moved the Trump % up, which it didn't.
At least spend the hour in line to get rid of this McCrory #######

 
Legit political question...the knock many have made in the past about Republicans (ex. McCain and Romney) has been they go too far right prior to the general election...hasn't Hillary been going left recently and wouldn't a Warren pick take her further left?  Shouldn't this same criticism hold for the democrats or is the fear that if Bernie supporters aren't fully onboard she could be in trouble?

 
Legit political question...the knock many have made in the past about Republicans (ex. McCain and Romney) has been they go too far right prior to the general election...hasn't Hillary been going left recently and wouldn't a Warren pick take her further left?  Shouldn't this same criticism hold for the democrats or is the fear that if Bernie supporters aren't fully onboard she could be in trouble?
She is already in trouble.   The diehard Hildos are not enough to defeat Trump.   If she loses Bernie voters it is over.   The R's are rallying around Trump, she can not pull enough of those votes.

 
Legit political question...the knock many have made in the past about Republicans (ex. McCain and Romney) has been they go too far right prior to the general election...hasn't Hillary been going left recently and wouldn't a Warren pick take her further left?  Shouldn't this same criticism hold for the democrats or is the fear that if Bernie supporters aren't fully onboard she could be in trouble?
Personally I don't care. I want Warren because she has been so splendid in taking Trump down. 

Governing can come later. For me the only priority is defeating Domald Trump. 

 
I disagree with the Kaine hate, assuming they don't miscast him.  He's not as super flashy as Warren or Booker would have been, but he's pretty well respected and regarded, and has pretty broad political experience, working his way up from local Richmond politics to Governor and Senator.  I've said before that if he ran for President, he would have been my pick -- his views are close politically to Obama/Clinton wing of the party (which is where I am), without the baggage of Clinton.  I think turning him into an "attack dog" would be a mistake though (as that is not his personality).

 
I disagree with the Kaine hate, assuming they don't miscast him.  He's not as super flashy as Warren or Booker would have been, but he's pretty well respected and regarded, and has pretty broad political experience, working his way up from local Richmond politics to Governor and Senator.  I've said before that if he ran for President, he would have been my pick -- his views are close politically to Obama/Clinton wing of the party (which is where I am), without the baggage of Clinton.  I think turning him into an "attack dog" would be a mistake though (as that is not his personality).
This doesn't matter to anyone but the people already voting HRC.    You need votes, he will not get you enough.   All Trump does is lie and he keeps getting more support, you need to combat that.   IMO Warren is the only answer.

 
Personally I don't care. I want Warren because she has been so splendid in taking Trump down. 

Governing can come later. For me the only priority is defeating Domald Trump. 
Has she really?  Her tweets and comments seem to be more of the same, in that they reinforce the beliefs of people who already hate Trump.  I'm not sure she (or anyone, for that matter) is converting people who like Trump, or convincing "undecideds" to come out and vote Clinton.

 
Personally I don't care. I want Warren because she has been so splendid in taking Trump down. 

Governing can come later. For me the only priority is defeating Domald Trump. 
I disagree here.  Warren is my favorite crusader against the "too big to fail" gang, and with the Democrats in a good position to lock up House/Senate/Presidency she can do a lot more good at the policy level than she can as a ribbon cutter at grocery store openings.

 
This doesn't matter to anyone but the people already voting HRC.    You need votes, he will not get you enough.   All Trump does is lie and he keeps getting more support, you need to combat that.   IMO Warren is the only answer.
If Warren were the VP nominee, Trump would turn it into a referendum on "Pocahontas" and issues would go out the door.  Kaine doesn't have much to hit -- Trump's lame nickname for him would probably be "Boring Tim,"

And Kaine performed better than most Democrats in the Northern Virginia suburbs, which are educated but typically lean Republican.  With Trump's rhetoric scaring them, I think there are some votes to pick up there across the country.  Warren could turn some of those voters off as being to far to the left.

 
Personally I don't care. I want Warren because she has been so splendid in taking Trump down. 

Governing can come later. For me the only priority is defeating Domald Trump. 
Unless it is to appease the Bernie voters I think Warren is a bad choice...she has her own fibbing issues/rigged system issues...that plays right to where Trump wants to take this election...also, she is vastly over-rated as a speaker...she usually has a few points that she relentlessly hammers home but I think that would get very stale over a long period of time...also, I just don't see her attracting many Independents...can't find the data but I believe Scott Brown won that vote by a decent margin in their election...now if the dems feel that locking down the Bernie vote is the key to success than this choice makes sense...other than that I don't see it...they would be better off having her take shots at Trump from the sideline and trying to distract him... 

 
Unless it is to appease the Bernie voters I think Warren is a bad choice...she has her own fibbing issues/rigged system issues...that plays right to where Trump wants to take this election...also, she is vastly over-rated as a speaker...she usually has a few points that she relentlessly hammers home but I think that would get very stale over a long period of time...also, I just don't see her attracting many Independents...can't find the data but I believe Scott Brown won that vote by a decent margin in their election...now if the dems feel that locking down the Bernie vote is the key to success than this choice makes sense...other than that I don't see it...they would be better off having her take shots at Trump from the sideline and trying to distract him... 
Brown won against Martha Coakley and got crushed by Warren.

 
Brown won against Martha Coakley and got crushed by Warren.
That has zero to do with this...Coakley was literally the worst candidate in history...she also lost to Charlie Baker...after the Coakley loss the dem machine was firing on all cylinders in a very blue state...they felt they got caught napping in the Coakley/Brown election as they thought it would be a cakewalk and took that election for granted which they did not do with Warren...her election had zero to do about Independents voting for her...

 
From a Daily Kos diary:

It wasn't your imagination: Hillary Clinton hate dominated the RNC

If you thought you heard the name "Hillary Clinton" even more than "Donald Trump" during the last four nights of the Republican National Convention, you might be right. The New York Times counted, and found that she figured more prominently at the RNC than any other Democratic contender has in a Republican convention since at least 1992.


Historians who study the presidency noted that her name was invoked with more venom than the names of earlier Democratic nominees in the last six Republican conventions.

“It’s hard to think of a convention in recent times with this much vitriol and this level of aggression leveled at the opposition,” said Julian E. Zelizer, a professor of history at Princeton. […]

Historians say one of the last times convention speakers used language this bitter and divisive was when Bill Clinton won the nomination in 1992. Patrick J. Buchanan declared there was a “cultural war” over the soul of America.

Many in the party believed Mr. Buchanan’s speech crossed a line and alienated moderate voters. This week, [presidential historian Michael] Beschloss said, “it would have been unexceptional.”



Hell, it would have been tame in comparison to the performances this week. Particularly that of Chris Christie, who worked the delegates into a frothing frenzy of hate, screaming "Lock her up!" at the top of their lungs. 

There was no attempt at all in this convention to play to the unconvinced or the alienated moderate. This was about bending the Republican Party to Donald Trump's twisted will, it was about some kind of perverted version of unity. Trump's is not going to pivot in this general election. He's not going to moderate in hopes of convincing voters who don't share his bloodlust. It's going to be about destroying Hillary Clinton as the embodiment of everything that terrifies the GOP about living in the 21st century.

 
If Kaine helps bring VA, it's a slam dunk pick for Clinton. Look at the EC map from 2012. If Clinton holds FL and VA, she could lose PA and OH and garner 287 electoral votes. That assumes the rest vote as they did in 2012. Keep in mind, Trump will need to defend NC and AZ to make sure she doesn't flip a red state.

 
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