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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Ok so if you and I and the Sunshine Foundation view slush fund the same way I think these are two major issues for the Foundation:

- The top heavy salaries, large salaries and hiring people like Blumenthal strictly at Bill & Hillary's whim with no visible individual indication they do anything for the entity as opposed to the founders.

- The fact that the Foundation took in up to $26 million in payments to the Clintons, so the Clintons did not pay taxes on it.

These kinds of instances of lack of distinction between founders and the entity and also lack of hiring or financial firewalls are usually hallmarks of slush fund entities. Hope that helps you understand the issue.

eta - It's obvious the Foundation does good work, that is not what the term 'slush fund' refers to though.
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For it to be a slush fund essentially designed to commit tax fraud then the the Clinton's would need to use at least $17 million (65% of $26m) to pay people - have the salaries of questionable employees like Blumenthal been that much?

 
HellToupee said:
   


Huma Abedin’s mom linked to shocking anti-women book
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Meh, lots of people have parents who hold views that they don't share. 

Besides, Hillary Clinton is a miserable candidate for all sorts of good, legitimate reasons.  No need to gild the lily by going after her staffer's mom.

 
cstu said:
For it to be a slush fund essentially designed to commit tax fraud then the the Clinton's would need to use at least $17 million (65% of $26m) to pay people - have the salaries of questionable employees like Blumenthal been that much?
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Well I think you're conflating two things there. The revenue of the Foundation is much bigger than the 26 mill and it's also not clear that the whole 26 mill stays with the Foundation.

However i did not realize there was an actual legal or accounting definition of slush fund. I'm guessing the total salary figure is a lot lower than 65%. So if that's the actual definition I'm guessing as a legal matter the CF doesn't qualify as an actual criminal slush fund if that's what's being referred to. Otoh when the Sunshine Foundation uses the phrase I can't imagine that's what they're actually referring to. In 2012 they said the same thing about a 527c which was supporting Romney IIRC, I don't think they meant it in a literal criminal sense. I didn't either.

 
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Despite all this, Huma Abedin in 2010 arranged for Clinton, then the secretary of state, to travel to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, to meet with her mother and speak at a girls school she founded and helps run as dean. Speaking to a roomful of girls, Clinton said Americans have to stop stereotyping Saudi women as oppressed, before assuring the audience that not all American women go “around in a bikini bathing suit.”

While there, Clinton formed a partnership with Saleha’s Dar al-Hekma college called the US-Saudi Women’s Forum on Social Entrepreneurship, and prom­ised to reverse post-9/11 curbs on Saudi student visas to America.


‘The wife should satisfy her husband’s desire for sexual intercourse.’

 - from a book translated and edited by Saleha Abedin


The next year, Clinton invited Saleha and the president of the Saudi school to Washington to participate in a State Department colloquium on women, as revealed by internal emails released in response to a lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch.
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Did it ever occur to you that Saleha is doing the best she can to help young women under the circumstances in Saudi Arabia? How far do you think she'd get if she expressed outrage at everything?  Think she'd be running a girl's school?  Ever consider that she's portraying herself as a good conservative Saudi woman while filling girls' minds with subversive ideas?

Here's an excerpt from Hillary's speech to the girls at the school:

As I stand here and look out at the students, I have to say that this is such a happy occasion for me. Because, as Secretary of State, and as Senator and as First Lady, I have traveled the globe and I have been in many parts of the world where the education of girls is not yet occurring, where young women are not provided the opportunity to live up to their own God-given potential, where leaders like His Majesty the King, or members of the board, or faculty and administrators don’t recognize the fundamental importance of the education of women.

I, of course, believe that educating young women is not only morally right, but it is also the most important investment any society can make in order to further and advance the values and the interests of the people. The Egyptian poet, Hafez Ibrahim, said, “A mother is a school. Empower her and you empower a great nation.” (Applause.)

I am a graduate of a women’s college, Wellesley College, outside of Boston, Massachusetts, and I know how rewarding it is to be a member of this kind of community, where young women are the focus of attention, where our interests are identified, recognized, and nurtured, and where the friendships that you make and the lessons that you learn will enrich your lives long after you graduate.

Because the education you are receiving is, first and foremost, about acquiring skills and knowledge, but also about becoming active, engaged, and effective citizens in your own communities, in your own country, and in the larger world. I was delighted to hear that the college has a requirement for community service. Because with education comes responsibility. Given the fact that I travel to places where young girls don’t attend school, they’re either denied or they’re too poor to be able to do so, where women are not given the same respect in the family or in the larger society, it is important for us who are educated women to accept the responsibility that that education brings.

Yes, we can have the tools to fulfill ourselves, to become successful medical doctors -- and I congratulate the doctor for her very well deserved honor that the King has bestowed upon her – (applause) – or to become leading academics or leading business women, there are so many opportunities for us to follow our dreams, assuming we are educated to do so.

But there is also a crying need to make sure that we don’t just hoard that educational gift ourselves. Yes, we share it with our families, with children, with the next generation. But it is important to look beyond as to what we can do to help advance the opportunities for girls and women everywhere.

What the Kingdom is doing under the leadership of His Majesty the King is so important, not only to Saudi Arabia, but far beyond your borders. The emphasis on educating girls and women; the support for education, both girls-only and coeducational; the construction of the new university in Riyadh, named for his aunt; all of that sends powerful signals that are being received, not only within the Kingdom, but far beyond your borders. And I am here, first and foremost, to congratulate and to applaud this commitment. It is evidenced here at this college, but it goes beyond the walls of this particular excellent institution.
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You can defend the daughter for being on the masthead by pleading ignorance but that doesn't work with mommy dearest. Sorry , it doesn't 

 
squistion said:
Yes, that will change a lot of minds about Hillary and sway the few undecided to The Donald. Sure we will see a downturn in Hillary's poll numbers as a result.
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There is literally almost nothing which could change people's minds about Hillary & Trump this point, they're at maximum name familiarity. 

 
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squistion said:
Yes, that will change a lot of minds about Hillary and sway the few undecided to The Donald. Sure we will see a downturn in Hillary's poll numbers as a result.
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You're a true believer , this is nothing she could do that would change your very closed mind. Nothing.

 
Rohn Jambo said:
The Clinton Foundation 990 tax return forms show who are the employees with highest compensation.

click on the "Tax documents" tab:

https://www.citizenaudit.org/organization/311580204/BILL HILLARY & CHELSEA CLINTON FOUNDATION/
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9 Executives made 123K-287K.

Also interesting that Blumenthal's salary would have put him on par with the top 10 Executives running the Foundation at 120K.... and yet he's not listed. He testified he got 10K per year from 2009-13 and yet he doesn't show on their tax return. Oh.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Yeah great point, it adds one more buffer of separation for Hillary doesn't it. Just plug in the software, set the parameters and let it go. That probably would have greatly shortened the time they worked on it too. I'd like to know how Bleachbit works. I guess what happened is they deleted whatever they wanted deleted, deleted some more of what was left over, printed the remainder and then deleted the rest. The use of software is not something anyone really contemplated but that was a great call on your part.

eta - Then again I guess using bleach is an excellent way to wipe things clean.
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I can tell you exactly how it works but it might slow down all the "productive" conversation in here, you know, like how Hillary's not as bad as Trump.  I don't want to get in the way of all that high bar setting, so I'll just leave it at this is the sort of software that the common person can get their hands on when they want to do their best to make sure something is deleted so no one can get to it.  And for the average joe trying to do a recovery it works fine, but it's not an elite data removal product and leaves retrieval possible if done by a professional.  To me, using a tool like this, leaves no doubt in my mind that they wanted to do their best to make sure data was removed so that no one could recover it.

 
The Commish said:
I can tell you exactly how it works but it might slow down all the "productive" conversation in here, you know, like how Hillary's not as bad as Trump.  I don't want to get in the way of all that high bar setting, so I'll just leave it at this is the sort of software that the common person can get their hands on when they want to do their best to make sure something is deleted so no one can get to it.  And for the average joe trying to do a recovery it works fine, but it's not an elite data removal product and leaves retrieval possible if done by a professional.  To me, using a tool like this, leaves no doubt in my mind that they wanted to do their best to make sure data was removed so that no one could recover it.
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Yeah I was reading about it. Apparently it's open source so there's no audit trail which would have happened if they had hired a vendor. The main purpose seems to be avoiding government and auditor inspection. Wow yeah I agree.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Just looking at 2011, it's 18 million on salaries on 57 million revenues / expenses. That's not 2/3s criminal slush fund territory but that also ain't light, that's a good chunk going into salaries.
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The Clinton Foundation is different than other charities.  Instead of giving out grants, they use Bill and Hillary's clout to bring together stakeholders (e.g. companies, governments, celebrities) and get them to commit to projects then carry out the programs with in house employees.

 
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The Commish said:
Careful....don't "insult" him by calling him out on his hypocrisy....he might put you on ignore, then what would you do?!?!?!
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He'll crack his membership book A-Z and see what notes he has on IK. Then he'll feverishly search old posts of his to ZING him with. Well at least that's his mo.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
You just called out HT for posting stuff that was unlikely to change any votes.  Literally, you just did that minutes ago.
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Who says I'm trying to change any votes? This is a thread for Hillary supporters, dude. That tweet was posting a nonsensical argument that bigots make all the time when you point out their racism, "You're a bigot for not tolerating my bigotry!"

 
HellToupee said:
He'll crack his membership book A-Z and see what notes he has on IK. Then he'll feverishly search old posts of his to ZING him with. Well at least that's his mo.
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I liked you better the other day when you posted under the Bayman handle, not so wordy and self righteous.

 
squistion said:
I have no opinion on that or if it actually means something sinister, like what you always imply with anything and everything related to the emails. ...
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You don't have an opinion on whether Blumenthal putting himself out as "White House Executive Office Staff Personnel" while he was banned from the WH and while doing work for Hillary reflects on whether he was doing work for Hillary, personally? That's remarkable. The obvious conclusion is that he was working for her personally and that he was doing official work on her behalf for which he would have been paid handsomely.

 
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HellToupee said:
As The Post first reported, Huma’s mom edits the Journal of Muslim Minority ­Affairs, which has suggested that America had 9/11 coming to it, because of “sanctions” and “injustices” the US allegedly imposed on the Muslim world.

The journal also opposed women’s rights as un-Islamic, arguing that “ ‘empowerment’ of women does more harm than benefit.”
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HellToupee said:
Clinton campaign spokesman Nick Merrill told the Post that while Huma Abedin was in fact listed as an editorial staffer of her mother’s radical journal from 1996 to 2008, she didn’t really do anything for the publication in her long tenure there.
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I guess I've never seen where this JMMA publication is radical at all.

From the sublink:

Huma continued to work for her mother’s journal through 2008. She is listed as “assistant editor” on the masthead of the 2002 issue in which her mother suggested the US was doomed to be attacked on 9/11 because of “sanctions” it leveled against Iraq and other “injustices” allegedly heaped on the Muslim world. Here is an excerpt:

“The spiral of violence having continued unabated worldwide, and widely seen to be allowed to continue, was building up intense anger and hostility within the pressure cooker that was kept on a vigorous flame while the lid was weighted down with various kinds of injustices and sanctions . . . It was a time bomb that had to explode and explode it did on September 11, changing in its wake the life and times of the very community and the people it aimed to serve.”
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-- While I disagree with this I don't think it falls under radical islamism.

- And while I'd be curious to know if Abedin holds this view I think we all know that Hillary is a very vigorous believer in sanctions and even intervention. I don't see how these views have any problem of influencing Hillary. Quite the opposite.

 
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squistion said:
Sorry but you do sound like my gramps railing against The Commies or The Reds and when disagreeing with someone asking, "Did you read that in Pravda?"
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Sorry, but you're distracting from the point - which is typical squistion.  I think most logical people (hint: not you) realize what I was getting at.  

And your Gramps sounds like a stand up guy - what happened to you?  Maybe you need to hang around him more.  He might be able to teach you that being a fresh out of high school, starry eyed sycophant is not really very manly or realistic.  You might even get an original thought of your own every once in a while under his tutelage.

 
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MaxThreshold said:
Sorry, but you're distracting from the point - which is typical squistion.  I think most logical people (hint: not you) realize what I was getting at.  

And your Gramps sounds like a stand up guy - what happened to you?  Maybe you need to hang around him more.  He might be able to teach you that being a fresh out of high school, starry eyed sycophant is not really very manly or realistic.  You might even get an original thought of your own every once in a while under his tutelage.
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What point? It was your typical boilerplate response that we have heard so often, sometimes I think all you do is cut and paste these things:

"That's funny coming from the guy who believes anything that comes out of Hillary's (or Obama's) mouth - no questions asked. You tow the party line so well for the Democrats that Pravda calls your posts propaganda."
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It was the same tired response, Max, that we seen what seems a hundred times.  All that was missing was "Is that what your liberal masters told you" line.

If anything was a distraction it was the Pravda reference, almost like something out of the HUAC hearings during the cold war or in a old newsletter from The John Birch Society.

 
squistion said:
What point? It was your typical boilerplate response that we have heard so often, sometimes I think all you do is cut and paste these things:

It was the same tired response, Max, that we seen what seems a hundred times.  All that was missing was "Is that what your liberal masters told you" line.

If anything was a distraction it was the Pravda reference, almost like something out of the HUAC hearings during the cold war or in a old newsletter from The John Birch Society.
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My take on this

 
squistion said:
What point? It was your typical boilerplate response that we have heard so often, sometimes I think all you do is cut and paste these things:

It was the same tired response, Max, that we seen what seems a hundred times.  All that was missing was "Is that what your liberal masters told you" line.

If anything was a distraction it was the Pravda reference, almost like something out of the HUAC hearings during the cold war or in a old newsletter from The John Birch Society.
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:lmao:   :lmao: :lmao:

Wow.  You actually posted that?

Besides, the TRUTH is never typical or tired.

 
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squistion said:
So is Dairy Queen, which also peaked about 50 years ago.
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Good thing your business acumen is better than Warren Buffetts

If you’re attending this year’s Berkshire Hathaway (BRK-A, BRK-B) annual shareholders meeting—or watching Yahoo Finance’s live stream coverage—there’s a good chance you’ll see scores of shareholders wandering around while munching on lots of goodies. One of the tastier snacks will be Dairy Queen ice cream, which many attendees look forward to eating year after year.

Berkshire Hathaway acquired Dairy Queen in 1997, and the restaurant’s ice cream has quickly become one of legendary investor Warren Buffett’s absolute favorites. Known for its iconic Dilly Bar and fully-loaded Blizzards, Dairy Queen has been serving soft-serve ice cream since 1940, when its first store opened in Joliette, Illinois. Now, there are more than 6,000 Dairy Queen locations worldwide.

And Buffett is known to be a "regular" visitor to Dairy Queen in Omaha, Nebraska. He told Yahoo Finance editor-in-chief Andy Serwer that it’s a tradition he shares with his great grandchildren.

“What I usually get is a sundae. I get the small sundae for the ice cream and the extra large sundae for the topping. So I mean, I just smother in the cherry topping and then pour a lot of nuts on it,” chuckled Buffett.  When asked if it’s a Buffett special, the Oracle of Omaha said that it’s available to anyone who wants to pay for it.

Dairy Queen will have a booth at this year’s annual shareholders meeting in the 200,000-square-foot exhibit hall, next to other Berkshire Hathaway subsidiaries, including Fruit of the Loom, Brooks, and See’s C

 
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