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I'm clearly behind on Hillary / emails conversation, but are people honestly defending her actions or lack of memory in this thread? If so, that's pretty pathetic


Let's review Hillary's testimony to teh FBI on this point:

- 39 I can't recalls.

- Couldn't recall getting trained on classified info.

- Couldn't recall using her power to classify anything.

- Couldn't recall receiving emails which should never be on an unauthorized system, something that happened 2100 times.

- Couldn't recall briefings she had when leaving office because of a concussion she had in late 2012.

This person will soon to be president.

 
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Let's review Hillary's testimony to teh FBI on this point:

- 39 I can't recalls.

- Couldn't recall getting trained on classified info.

- Couldn't recall using her power to classify anything.

- Couldn't recall receiving emails which should never be on an unauthorized system.

- Couldn't recall briefings she had when leaving office because of a concussion she had in late 2012.

This person will soon to be president.
She didn't say that she couldn't recall all briefings during that period, just those related to the emails during the time frame she was suffering from the aftermath of a concussion. And if you have ever suffered a serious concussion (as I have) you would know that it is not unusual to experience memory loss of events happening for a period of time after receiving the concussion.

 
She didn't say that she couldn't recall all briefings during that period, just those related to the emails during the time frame she was suffering from the aftermath of a concussion. And if you have ever suffered a serious concussion (as I have) you would know that it is not unusual to experience memory loss of events happening for a period of time after receiving the concussion.


Hillary was asked about whether she had received any instructions or briefings about the preservation of her records upon leaving as SOS. Hillary responded, no but:

However, in December of 2012, Clinton suffered a concussion and then around the New Year had a blood clot. Based on her doctor's advice, she could only work at State for a few hours a day and could not recall every briefing she received.
- Page 9, FBI Notes.

Right AFTER that the FBI showed her an email entitled "FW Significant FOIA Report" from December 11, 2012.

She didn't recall that.

 
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She didn't say that she couldn't recall all briefings during that period, just those related to the emails during the time frame she was suffering from the aftermath of a concussion. And if you have ever suffered a serious concussion (as I have) you would know that it is not unusual to experience memory loss of events happening for a period of time after receiving the concussion.
She's lying.  Mills pulled the same bull####.

 
She didn't say that she couldn't recall all briefings during that period, just those related to the emails during the time frame she was suffering from the aftermath of a concussion. And if you have ever suffered a serious concussion (as I have) you would know that it is not unusual to experience memory loss of events happening for a period of time after receiving the concussion.
:lmao:

You okay?  I hope you didn't hurt your back trying reach around and pull stuff out of your ### to defend her.

 
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- Text.

From FBI notes, page 16

- Whoever extracted Hillary's emails was caught lying to the FBI, per the FBI.

- Why is the name of this person redacted?
Are you on another board where folks are reading the FBI notes line by line, or are you reviewing this stuff yourself, line by line?
This is the only board I post on compadre. I noticed that piece when posting this previously. I haven't read the whole thing, the piece about how they culled/deleted emails has always interested me.

 
####ing Hillary and screw all of you people who got her nominated and forced me into the position of voting for her.  

 
I'm clearly behind on Hillary / emails conversation, but are people honestly defending her actions or lack of memory in this thread? If so, that's pretty pathetic
I am defending her on 4 points: 

1. The authorities say she did nothing criminal. Despite that, many people here are certain she did something criminal. I will take the authorities' word on this. 

2. Many people here are certain that even if she did nothing criminal, she deserved to be fired for what she did. I believe the Secretary of State is above being fired for this sort of thing. 

3. Many people here are certain she did something morally wrong. I believe she screwed up. 

4. Many people here believe that the email story disqualifies her from the Presidency. I say it does not. 

 
You okay?  I hope you didn't hurt your back trying reach around and pull stuff out of your ### to defend her.
What do know about serious concussions? Have you ever been knocked unconscious?  Ever known someone who had a serious concussion? A short term memory loss of events happening before or after a concussion is not unusual and is well documented. It appears you don't know what you talking about, not that it has ever stopped you before.

 
This is the part that Squiz likes to quote:

Clinton stated she never deleted, nor did she instruct anyone to delete, her e-mails to avoid complying with FOIA, State or FBI requests for information.
However what he probably did not read:

REDACTED stated to the FBI that an unknown Clinton staff member told him s/he did not want the .PST file after the export and wanted it removed from the PRN Server.

 
What do know about serious concussions? Have you ever been knocked unconscious?  Ever known someone who had a serious concussion? A short term memory loss of events happening before or after a concussion is not unusual and is well documented. It appears you don't know what you talking about, not that it has ever stopped you before.
Did she get the concussion running headlong into Mills?  Because she had the exact same affliction.  

You are either is serious denial or you know deep down she lied.

 
I am defending her on 4 points: 

1. The authorities say she did nothing criminal. Despite that, many people here are certain she did something criminal. I will take the authorities' word on this. 

2. Many people here are certain that even if she did nothing criminal, she deserved to be fired for what she did. I believe the Secretary of State is above being fired for this sort of thing. 

3. Many people here are certain she did something morally wrong. I believe she screwed up. 

4. Many people here believe that the email story disqualifies her from the Presidency. I say it does not. 
She would have been forced to resign over this, Tim, had this been discovered in full at the time she was SoS.

And organized crime is criminal.  It's why there are RICO laws.  There was an coordinated effort to delete emails that were under subpoena, and otherwise destroy records that legally needed to be retained.

Though it's essentially the same as the Bonds case in terms of proving, she also lied under oath to Congress.

She is unfit.  

 
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What specific thing disqualified Nixon? I agree that's the standard.
The specific thing was ordering people to commit burglary.  You can say that a crime is a crime, but most people consider breaking and entered a worse crime than mishandling emails and lying to cover it up.

 
####ing Hillary and screw all of you people who got her nominated and forced me into the position of voting for her.  
This latest round of revelations and how clear it is she and team destroyed evidence and obstructed justice forces me to abstain from voting for her.  I would vote Johnson but he's doesn't believe in mandatory vaccines and I can't get behind him for that issue alone.  Not going Green.  I'd rather vote Trump for her as terrible as he is, and although he is worse in so many ways.  Hillary is the worst candidate of my lifetime.  Worse than Trump and worse than GW.

 
In case anyone is interested in reading what Secretary Clinton has to say about this, IN CONTEXT: ...

How and who decided what should be provided to the State Department?

The Federal Records Act puts the obligation on the government official to determine what is and is not a federal record. ...


CLINTON had no knowledge regarding the following topics:

...

The specific process and procedures used by CLINTON'S legal team and PRN to separate her work and personal email.

...


- Note there were FOUR copies of her emails on 3 servers and a laptop, which crossed 3 different email addresses.

Hillary's team had them all deleted.

 
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She would have been forced to resign over this, Tim, had this been discovered in full at the time she was SoS.

And organized crime is criminal.  It's why there are RICO laws.  There was an coordinated effort to delete emails that were under subpoena.  
Hillary was not engaged in "organized crime". Please.

 
Probably, obstruction of justice, which he would have been charged with if Ford had not issued a pardon.
I meant what act did he commit? Not 'cover up', what led everyone to realize that he had participated in and directed the cover up? What did he actually do?

 
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The specific thing was ordering people to commit burglary.  You can say that a crime is a crime, but most people consider breaking and entered a worse crime than mishandling emails and lying to cover it up.
I don't think Nixon did order the burglary. Nixon set up CREEP, which (Liddy and the rest) committed the burglary. I don't think that's why Nixon resigned.

 
This latest round of revelations and how clear it is she and team destroyed evidence and obstructed justice forces me to abstain from voting for her.  I would vote Johnson but he's doesn't believe in mandatory vaccines and I can't get behind him for that issue alone.  Not going Green.  I'd rather vote Trump for her as terrible as he is, and although he is worse in so many ways.  Hillary is the worst candidate of my lifetime.  Worse than Trump and worse than GW.
That's where you've gone too far.  Trump has been found guilty of bribing a public official, has committed fraud in his Trump University, been found guilty of racial discrimination in housing, pretending to be another person during interviews, flip-flops back and forth about everything he believes, and that's all that I could think of off the top of my head.

The only reason you feel this way is that Hillary has a 30 year track record in politics for you to go through while Trump has none.

 
I am defending her on 4 points: 

1. The authorities say she did nothing criminal. Despite that, many people here are certain she did something criminal. I will take the authorities' word on this. 

2. Many people here are certain that even if she did nothing criminal, she deserved to be fired for what she did. I believe the Secretary of State is above being fired for this sort of thing. 

3. Many people here are certain she did something morally wrong. I believe she screwed up. 

4. Many people here believe that the email story disqualifies her from the Presidency. I say it does not. 
The FBI said what she did is criminal, just that that statue has not been used in a criminal case before and doubted an attorney would prosecute.   

 
What specific thing disqualified Nixon? I agree that's the standard.
Nixon resigned because he was about to be impeached because: 

2. He approved using campaign funds to pay off Watergate witnesses after the fact (Nixon was unaware of Watergate, but his chief of staff, Haldeman, was aware and these witnesses would have testified to that fact) and was caught on tape expressing this approval

2. Nixon fired the attorney general, Richardson, who refused to fire the special prosecutor for demanding to expose the tapes that revealed Nixon's approval of the payoff- the "Saturday Night Massacre". 

I don't believe these events are in anyway analogous to the email story. 

 
Hillary was not engaged in "organized crime". Please.
It's exactly what occurred. Those emails were under subpoena and they were destroyed.  I believe Hillary knows exactly how and lied when she said she didn't recall.  I believe there was an orchestrated effort to protect her at all costs, laws be damned.  And Mills and Hillary recall it all.  

 
Nixon resigned because he was about to be impeached because: 

2. He approved using campaign funds to pay off Watergate witnesses after the fact (Nixon was unaware of Watergate, but his chief of staff, Haldeman, was aware and these witnesses would have testified to that fact) and was caught on tape expressing this approval

2. Nixon fired the attorney general, Richardson, who refused to fire the special prosecutor for demanding to expose the tapes that revealed Nixon's approval of the payoff- the "Saturday Night Massacre". 

I don't believe these events are in anyway analogous to the email story. 
That's ok, I knew you would know that, thanks - to me that's the standard for disqualification.

 
This latest round of revelations and how clear it is she and team destroyed evidence and obstructed justice forces me to abstain from voting for her.  I would vote Johnson but he's doesn't believe in mandatory vaccines and I can't get behind him for that issue alone.  Not going Green.  I'd rather vote Trump for her as terrible as he is, and although he is worse in so many ways.  Hillary is the worst candidate of my lifetime.  Worse than Trump and worse than GW.
Mandatory vaccines is a litmus test in a presidential race?  

 
He approved using campaign funds to pay off Watergate witnesses after the fact
One other point about this.

We know this how?

(IIRC) No. 2 at FBI Mark Felt leaked a check to the WaPo showing CREEP had deposited funds.

If the FBI hadn't done that we would never know about it to this day most likely.

That is all.

 
Mandatory vaccines is a litmus test in a presidential race?  
Hot topic with me personally.  I find anti-vaxers dangerous. My son who died was on a Z-Pack as a precaution because a kid in his class had Whooping Cough because his/her parents (note went out and school ended prior to diagnosis, so don't know which kid) didn't vaccinate.  This may or may not have contributed to the condition that killed him. (Some studies have shown links).  Had the kid in his class been vaccinated, it's quite possible my son would be alive.

Kids dying unnecessary because of a stupid position is a litmus test for me, yes.

 
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I am defending her on 4 points: 

1. The authorities say she did nothing criminal. Despite that, many people here are certain she did something criminal. I will take the authorities' word on this. 

2. Many people here are certain that even if she did nothing criminal, she deserved to be fired for what she did. I believe the Secretary of State is above being fired for this sort of thing. 

3. Many people here are certain she did something morally wrong. I believe she screwed up. 

4. Many people here believe that the email story disqualifies her from the Presidency. I say it does not. 
The depth of your naivety is unreal.

In regards to #1 that is not what they said at all

 
I don't believe these events are in anyway analogous to the email story. 
Separate question - what about the constant, unmitigated, thorough and complete lying on it from beginning to end? That whole Briefing piece - which you posted - is a total lie. None of it has held up, None of it. It's not mostly false, it's all false. On tv, to the press, in Congressional testimony, Hillary lied to the American people and she told the FBI the opposite on almost every point.

While it is true that Nixon was disqualified because it turned out he knew about the cover-up and authorized its activities, it's also true that he ultimately resigned because he had lied to thoroughly and so often to the American people.

I suppose it's true that Nixon was paying off witnesses or knew of it. Well Hillary has been paying the legal bills of people like Pagliano and Cooper.

 
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Investigation indicated that on March 25, 2015, PRN held a conference call with
President Clinton' staff
. REDACTED In his interviews with the FBI,indicated that sometime
between March 25-31, 2015, he realized he did not make the e-mail retention policy changes to
Clinton' clintonemail.com e-mail account that Mills had requested in December 2014. 371 In his
FBI interview on February 18, 2016 indicated that he did not recall conducting
deletions based upon this realization.

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In a follow-up FBI interview on May 3, 2016 REDACTED 
indicated [B][COLOR=#ff0000]he believed he had an "oh sh|t" moment and sometime between [U]March 25-31[/U], 2015[/COLOR][/B]
deleted the Clinton archive mailbox from the PRN server [B]and used BleachBit to delete the
exported .PST files[/B] he had created on the server system containing Clinton' e-mails. 373 
Investigation found evidence of these deletions 374 and determined the Datto backups of the PRN
Server were also manually deleted during this timeframe.375 [COLOR=#ff0000][B]Investigation identified a PRN work
ticket, which referenced a conference call among PRN, Kendall, and Mills on [U]March 31[/U],
2015.[/B][/COLOR] [B]R[/B]EDACTED's attorney advised not to comment on the conversation with Kendall[B]
based upon the assertion of the attomey-client privilege.[/B] 378
Code:
Investigation identified a[B] March 9, 2015 e-mail to PRN from Mills, of which REDACTED 
was a recipient referencing the preservation request[/B] from the Committee on 136
Benghazi. REDACTED advised [COLOR=#0000cd][B]during his February 18, 2016 interview[/B][/COLOR] that he did [COLOR=#0000cd][B]not [/B][/COLOR]recall 
seeing the preservation request referenced in the March 9, 2015 e-mail. 381 [COLOR=#0000cd][B]During his May 3,
2016 interview REDACTED indicated that[/B][/COLOR], at the time he made the deletions in March 2015, [B][COLOR=#0000cd]he
was aware of the existence of the preservation request[/COLOR][/B] and the fact that it meant he should not
disturb Clinton' e-mail data on the PRN Server. REDACTED also stated during this interview,
he did not receive guidance from other PRN personnel, 5 legal counsel, or others regarding
the meaning of the preservation request. 383 Mills stated she was unaware that REDACTED had
conducted these deletions and modifications in March 2015. 384 Clinton stated she was also
unaware of the March 2015 e-mail deletions by PRN.385



So:

Just 3 weeks AFTER the NYT ran its story about Hillary's email system, just 2 weeks after Hillary had her press conference at the UN and after Congress had issued a subpoena and preservation order to Hillary:

- 3/25/15 - Hillary's staff has a call with Platte River (PRN), the vendor managing the emails.

- Between 3/25 through 3/31/15 - ALL the emails including backups are deleted.

- 3/31/15 the vendor has another call with Clintons staff.

The guy who was handling the data - REDACTED - lied to the FBI THREE times about this sequence of events in THREE separate interviews.

 
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Mandatory vaccines is a litmus test in a presidential race?  
Hot topic with me personally.  I find anti-vaxers dangerous.
Johnson isn't an anti-vaxxer.

GILLESPIE: Let's talk about vaccines. There are no federal laws mandating vaccines, and that's how it should be, as far as you're concerned.

JOHNSON: Yes.

GILLESPIE: Various states treat vaccines differently, and you're not wild about the range of individual choice and opt-out provisions, but you do believe it's a state-level decision—or certainly that it's not a federal-level decision.

JOHNSON: Right.

GILLESPIE: There are people who say vaccines cause autism [and other problems] or that vaccines don't work. Are you in that camp?

JOHNSON: No, I chose to have my children vaccinated. I understand all the concerns that some people have, but for me personally, I made a decision to have my children vaccinated. I want people to make decisions and I believe in [opt-outs]. With the exception of a few states, everyone has an opt-out. But I also want to say that, as president of the United States, if I am confronted with a zombie apocalypse that will happen unless the total herd is totally immunized, I will support [mandatory vaccinations].

Link.

 
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Mandatory vaccines is a litmus test in a presidential race?  
Hot topic with me personally.  I find anti-vaxers dangerous.
More recently:

“You know, since I’ve said that ["No mandatory vaccines" tweet in 2011] … I’ve come to find out that without mandatory vaccines, the vaccines that would in fact be issued would not be effective,” he said. “So … it’s dependent that you have mandatory vaccines so that every child is immune. Otherwise, not all children will be immune even though they receive a vaccine.”

Johnson said he believes vaccination policy should be handled at the local level.

“In my opinion, this is a local issue. If it ends up to be a federal issue, I would come down on the side of science and I would probably require that vaccine,” he said.

Johnson said his position changed recently.

“It’s an evolution actually just in the last few months, just in the last month or so,” he said. “I was under the belief that … ‘Why require a vaccine? If I don’t want my child to have a vaccine and you want yours to, let yours have the vaccine and they’ll be immune.’ Well, it turns out that that’s not the case, and it may sound terribly uninformed on my part, but I didn’t realize that.”

Johnson was referring to the concept of “herd immunity,” also known as community immunity.

Link.

 
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