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dutch said:
The OIG presented allegations by others while the FBI were given responses by Bentel himself.  The immunity deal was granted prior to his meeting with the FBI.
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And the FBI had emails contradicting him. So the US State Department and Bentel's own emails showed he was lying.

eta - as the question is why give Bentel immunity, the only things I could see where he would have a possibility of criminal allegation were: 1. he covered up the email system and 2. he testified to the FBI about no. 1.

 
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At least 2,800 emails from the records recovered off Hillary Clinton's server by the FBI were related to her State Department work, government attorneys revealed Friday.

However, most of the files will not be made public until after the election, according to a schedule laid out by the State Department at a court hearing Friday.

Of the 15,000 emails collected by the FBI, 9,400 were deemed personal in nature and will be withheld by the government. Up to 50 percent of the remaining 5,600 emails could be duplicates of documents already made public by the agency, leaving at least 2,800 official records that have never been disclosed.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-deleted-at-least-2800-work-related-emails/article/2602708#.V-VvlzCi1eo.twitter

- So as of right now, roughly 60% of the recovered emails deleted by Hillary were personal, and about 40% were public record.

- Even if you consider the estimate that half of the public emails recovered, only 50% were captured elsewhere, 50% were not. Hillary in her testimony before Congress told the public that 90% of her emails were captured in US gov systems.

 
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Samantha said:
Everyone on here should go on facebook before the election and let your friends and family know you won't speak to them ever again if they vote for dangerous racist sexist Trump over Hillary. I already removed 7 family members from my facebook because they support Trump. I can't believe in 2016 there are still a huge percentage of racists out there supporting Trump. :X
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You dropped your family because of perceived racism by voting Trump? What a sad, lonely life you must lead.

 
tommyboy said:
Comey should be fired, dumped on the street and tarred and feathered then hung in the public square for little kids to throw rotten eggs at
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Gets worse.  Article fails to mention that Mills was give attorney client privilege during her FBI interview so she wouldn't have to reveal what is now apparent from "Stonetear"'s Reddit posts was a tip down intentional decision to modify and then destroy subpoenaed evidence.  In light of this, it isn't debatable whether top staffers knowing engaged in this effort.  It's really a matter of who cares that the DOJ actively shielded this criminal activity and continues to do so.

 
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Gets worse.  Article fails to mention that Mills was give attorney client privilege during her FBI interview so she wouldn't have to reveal what is now apparent from "Stonetear"'s Reddit posts was a tip down intentional decision to modify and then destroy subpoenaed evidence.  In light of this, it isn't debatable whether top staffers knowing engaged in this effort.  It's really a matter of who cares that the DOJ actively shielded this criminal activity and continues to do so.
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If you can't trust the justice Dept and the FBI. the rule of law means nothing.  It's downhill from here

 
Part 3 of FBI interview Transcripts released by FBI.

Gotta love the slow roll.

eta - 189 pages, first two parts were around 55 or so combined.

:popcorn:

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Part 3 of FBI interview Transcripts released by FBI.

Gotta love the slow roll.

eta - 189 pages, first two parts were around 55 or so combined.

:popcorn:
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Hey Saints, et al,

Appreciate your links and comments.  Heading to the lake for some much needed beer & couch time.

Have a good weekend & to all a good night.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-deleted-at-least-2800-work-related-emails/article/2602708#.V-VvlzCi1eo.twitter

- So as of right now, roughly 60% of the recovered emails deleted by Hillary were personal, and about 40% were public record.

- Even if you consider the estimate that half of the public emails recovered, only 50% were captured elsewhere, 50% were not. Hillary in her testimony before Congress told the public that 90% of her emails were captured in US gov systems.
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You should know by now that utilizing the Examiner means you are very likely  misrepresentng facts.  In this case the Examiner is making convenient cuts that differ a bit from that ultra liberal rag - The Wall Street Journal

Those 50% tell us nothing about what was captured elsewhere as those 50% (or whatever the real number is) were turned over directly by Hillary's team-

Of those 15,000, about 9,400 have been deemed purely personal and will be excluded from release, according to lawyers representing the department. Another 5,600 emails were deemed work-related, but State Department attorneys warned that up to 50% of those are duplicates of emails that Mrs. Clinton already turned over.
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Ops!

As for the 2800 others the Examiner also left out this little tidbit- 

A State Department spokesman said many of the recovered emails “contain significant overlap with a document previously provided by former secretary Clinton.” In addition, the department said some of the newly recovered emails were chains that included Mrs. Clinton initially but later dropped her.

“Secretary Clinton would not have been in a position to provide the department with these portions of the emails, as the new material would not have been in her possession,” spokesman John Kirby said
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So some portion of the 2800 (or whatever) were parts of e-mail conversations that were not distributed to Hillary at all.  Her team did not delete them. They were not recovered from Hillary's accounts - though granted they possibly did include other parties using Hillary's server so they were recovered from Hillary's device(s).  But that would seem like a reach if there is any quantity.  And, assuming this is true it seems pretty problematic to claim that the FBI recovered "Hillary's E-Mail".   

I'm sure that "some" isn't all, but is it 5, 500, 1500, 2500???    Doesn't really matter as your conclusion that this rebut's Hillary's 90% statement is totally wrong as this offers no evidence one way or another to that question.  (Which if you recall on the day of the testimony I asserted that I was rather confident that this statement seemed very unlikely to me - and nothing has change that.)

And no, I'm not interested in going in circles about this. 

 
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http://watergate.info/impeachment/articles-of-impeachment

From a friendly Facebook debate, I ended up reading Watergate Articles of Impeachment in response to a Hillary zealot's claim he was partially impeached for high crimes, actions in Cambodia and being generally evil.

He wasn't.  He was impeached for almost precisely what it appears Hillary and team did...  Obstructing, withholding evidence, giving false statements and misusing a government agency (in his case CIA and not DOJ).

Soon Trump will be out of the equation and many of you will have to face this reality as it is finally exposed and there is no longer a boogeyman.

 
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squistion said:
Mr. Ham said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-228607

Amidst FBI Friday night dump, evidence that Obama lied that he found out about the private server through news.

Why, why did he stake his legacy on this woman!!!!
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Obama lied? Well, that will now cause all of Hillary's supporters to reconsider voting for Trump.
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It is two different things.

But yeah he want on national tv and lied about it twice. He didn't have to say anything but went out of his way tio mislead people. That's really disappointing IMO.

 
The interviews provide more insight into Clinton's lack of technical acumen. According to the FBI's Abedin writeup, she "could not use a computer"; Hanley said Clinton had no idea what her own email password was, and had to rely on aides.
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Hanley revealed in her FBI interview that she had no idea where a thumb drive she used to store an archive of Clinton's emails had gone. Hanley searched for the thumb drive, which the FBI described as "something she happened to have laying around the house," several times but was unable to find it.
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- So that's a lost laptop, a lost thumb drive, and a lost blackberry with access or holding Hillary's emails.
 
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
You should know by now that utilizing the Examiner means you are very likely  misrepresentng facts.  In this case the Examiner is making convenient cuts that differ a bit from that ultra liberal rag - The Wall Street Journal

Those 50% tell us nothing about what was captured elsewhere as those 50% (or whatever the real number is) were turned over directly by Hillary's team-

Of those 15,000, about 9,400 have been deemed purely personal and will be excluded from release, according to lawyers representing the department. Another 5,600 emails were deemed work-related, but State Department attorneys warned that up to 50% of those are duplicates of emails that Mrs. Clinton already turned over.
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Same thing appears in the Examiner:

Of the 15,000 emails collected by the FBI, 9,400 were deemed personal in nature and will be withheld by the government. Up to 50 percent of the remaining 5,600 emails could be duplicates of documents already made public by the agency, leaving at least 2,800 official records that have never been disclosed.
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Bottomfeeder Sports said:
Ops!

As for the 2800 others the Examiner also left out this little tidbit- 

A State Department spokesman said many of the recovered emails “contain significant overlap with a document previously provided by former secretary Clinton.”
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Up to 50 percent of the remaining 5,600 emails could be duplicates of documents already made public by the agency, leaving at least 2,800 official records that have never been disclosed.
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Up to 50% "Could be duplicates" seems the same as significant overlap to me.

I don't see where the Examiner hid anything here.

 
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Bottomfeeder Sports said:
In addition, the department said some of the newly recovered emails were chains that included Mrs. Clinton initially but later dropped her. “Secretary Clinton would not have been in a position to provide the department with these portions of the emails, as the new material would not have been in her possession,” spokesman John Kirby said
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This is a really pathetic way of saying, yeah Hillary deleted official records. It really doesn't matter if other threads were foudn elsewhere.

And I take it some of the duplicate threads might be shorter too or have additional information in them like metadata lacking in Hillary's.

Bottomfeeder Sports said:
So some portion of the 2800 (or whatever) were parts of e-mail conversations that were not distributed to Hillary at all.  Her team did not delete them. They were not recovered from Hillary's accounts - though granted they possibly did include other parties using Hillary's server so they were recovered from Hillary's device(s).  But that would seem like a reach if there is any quantity.  And, assuming this is true it seems pretty problematic to claim that the FBI recovered "Hillary's E-Mail".   
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Eh, I don't think this is a correct read. State is talking about a comparison of Hillary's emails to emails recovered elsewhere. This group is all recivered from Hillary. These are emails recovered from Hillary's deleted emails, these are new emails in the sense of the source and location from where they came from. They came from Hillary's deleted emails. Now I do agree these were not necessarily all from the specific, purposeful, manual deletions and wipe that took place in March 2015, that may be true.

 
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Bottomfeeder Sports said:
I'm sure that "some" isn't all, but is it 5, 500, 1500, 2500???    Doesn't really matter as your conclusion that this rebut's Hillary's 90% statement is totally wrong as this offers no evidence one way or another to that question.  (Which if you recall on the day of the testimony I asserted that I was rather confident that this statement seemed very unlikely to me - and nothing has change that.)
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Well thanks on the last bit, yeah that was pulled right out from her hind quarters for sure.

On the math: ~60K total, ~>30K+ deleted as "personal", so a claimed 'personal' rate of >50%.

~15K recovered of what was considered personal as obviously Hillary would not have deleted an official record on purpose, now would she? Roughly 9/15ths or 3/5's or 60% deemed personal by State, so while that seems to reflect what Hillary claimed this is of the deleted portion, so if nearly all of the nearly 50% she provided was official and 40% of what she deleted (the other 50%), then 70% of her email was official, not 50% like she claimed . And then of the official roughly 2800 of 5600 were captured elsewhere, so 50% not 90%.

That's also giving Hillary and State the benefit of the doubt because 'same thread' is not the same as 'same email' as discussed above.

 
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