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Some interesting and surprising tidbits from the Bloomberg poll:

As is typical for Clinton, more women view her favorably than men, 54 percent to 42 percent. Still, her standing with women has dropped 9 points from two years ago.

Her ratings have suffered among independent women, with 44 percent viewing her favorably and 48 percent unfavorably. That’s a profound drop since June 2013, when that group viewed her favorably by almost a 2-1 ratio, 60 percent to 33 percent.
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A negative favorability among independent women?

The historic possibility of a woman becoming president isn't a major influence on attitudes. The vast majority of poll respondents–83 percent–say they wouldn't be more or less inclined to vote for Clinton because she would be the first female president.
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That's interesting to me because I think the 'first woman' will be almost the whole theme of her campaign.

The e-mail controversy may be one of the factors depressing Clinton's overall standing. Just 48 percent view her favorably, down four points since December and marking the first time her standing has fallen below 50 percent in Bloomberg polls dating to September 2009. Her high was 70 percent in December, 2012.
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She has dropped 22 points in 27 months?

Even 26 percent of Democrats believe she has purposefully withheld e-mails or deleted them.
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And the percentage of Democrats who say they will definitely vote for her if she is the Democratic nominee has dropped a full 10 points, to 42 percent from 52 percent in a Bloomberg poll in June, 2013. Just 18 percent of poll respondents say they definitely will vote for her for president, compared to 23 percent two years ago.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-10/bloomberg-politics-poll-democrats-and-independents-don-t-want-a-hillary-coronation

I think "lead horse" is still the appropriate term, or it has become that. It's definitely "vs the Field" but the field's chances have improved.

 
I think those Bloomberg numbers are good for her. She won't be taking anything for granted this time around. In 2008 she attempted to campaign with a sense of inevitability. That was Mark Penn's idea. It was also Penn who told her not to stress the fact that she was a woman.

This time around Penn is gone.Clinton will stress that she is a woman and a grandmother, and she will take nothing for granted.

 
timschochet said:
Hillary's smart and sexy. It's been a long time since we've had someone this prepared to be President. The last one was Richard Nixon...
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If you mean that they're both crooks, you're correct.

 
The video featured a few minutes of people telling us stuff they're looking forward to, and 10 seconds of Clinton. Except for her comment about the upper class having all the advantages (a nod to Warren populism) it was all upbeat and positive. The music sounded like the opening them to a Disneyland attraction.

 
timschochet said:
The video featured a few minutes of people telling us stuff they're looking forward to, and 10 seconds of Clinton. Except for her comment about the upper class having all the advantages (a nod to Warren populism) it was all upbeat and positive. The music sounded like the opening them to a Disneyland attraction.
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Which is funny, because she's part of that "upper class" / 1 percenters she rails on (for political purposes, of course). You think SHE'S going to give up anything? No way. That's for everyone else to do.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
20 seconds of screen time? Wow they are really keeping her out of the way of people and reporters.
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i don't think you're interpreting this correctly. I think she wants the campaign, at least in the opening stages, to be about the American people and not her. You act like she has something to hide, or that, like Sarah Palin in 2008, her handlers are afraid for her to face reporters. It's the exact opposite IMO. Hillary believes that despite her name recognition, the public doesn't know her at all. She's going to campaign this time around just like she did after she lost Iowa- she was very sympathetic then. I think she's going to be very open with the public and the press (but not about the conspiracy Benghazi and email stuff that nobody outside of conservative haters are interested in anyhow).

 
MaxThreshold said:
timschochet said:
The video featured a few minutes of people telling us stuff they're looking forward to, and 10 seconds of Clinton. Except for her comment about the upper class having all the advantages (a nod to Warren populism) it was all upbeat and positive. The music sounded like the opening them to a Disneyland attraction.
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Which is funny, because she's part of that "upper class" / 1 percenters she rails on (for political purposes, of course). You think SHE'S going to give up anything? No way. That's for everyone else to do.
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Yeah I have to say I really dislike this populist angle, (I always do). Guess she has to do some of it though. You're going to hear a lot of this crap from both parties and it will be nauseating. But effective.
 
timschochet said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
20 seconds of screen time? Wow they are really keeping her out of the way of people and reporters.
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i don't think you're interpreting this correctly. I think she wants the campaign, at least in the opening stages, to be about the American people and not her.You act like she has something to hide, or that, like Sarah Palin in 2008, her handlers are afraid for her to face reporters. It's the exact opposite IMO. Hillary believes that despite her name recognition, the public doesn't know her at all. She's going to campaign this time around just like she did after she lost Iowa- she was very sympathetic then. I think she's going to be very open with the public and the press (but not about the conspiracy Benghazi and email stuff that nobody outside of conservative haters are interested in anyhow).
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Behghazi and the email scandal are just TWO incidents that go toward gaining the trust of the American people. Not sure how her NOT being open and honest about those two helps her gain that trust.

 
MaxThreshold said:
timschochet said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
20 seconds of screen time? Wow they are really keeping her out of the way of people and reporters.
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i don't think you're interpreting this correctly. I think she wants the campaign, at least in the opening stages, to be about the American people and not her.You act like she has something to hide, or that, like Sarah Palin in 2008, her handlers are afraid for her to face reporters. It's the exact opposite IMO. Hillary believes that despite her name recognition, the public doesn't know her at all. She's going to campaign this time around just like she did after she lost Iowa- she was very sympathetic then. I think she's going to be very open with the public and the press (but not about the conspiracy Benghazi and email stuff that nobody outside of conservative haters are interested in anyhow).
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Behghazi and the email scandal are just TWO incidents that go toward gaining the trust of the American people. Not sure how her NOT being open and honest about those two helps her gain that trust.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on whether or not those issues will make any difference to anyone who isn't already opposed to her. I rather doubt it.
 
timschochet said:
MaxThreshold said:
timschochet said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
20 seconds of screen time? Wow they are really keeping her out of the way of people and reporters.
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i don't think you're interpreting this correctly. I think she wants the campaign, at least in the opening stages, to be about the American people and not her.You act like she has something to hide, or that, like Sarah Palin in 2008, her handlers are afraid for her to face reporters. It's the exact opposite IMO. Hillary believes that despite her name recognition, the public doesn't know her at all. She's going to campaign this time around just like she did after she lost Iowa- she was very sympathetic then. I think she's going to be very open with the public and the press (but not about the conspiracy Benghazi and email stuff that nobody outside of conservative haters are interested in anyhow).
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Behghazi and the email scandal are just TWO incidents that go toward gaining the trust of the American people. Not sure how her NOT being open and honest about those two helps her gain that trust.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on whether or not those issues will make any difference to anyone who isn't already opposed to her. I rather doubt it.
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I suppose. She's a dishonest slimebag, but she's the Democrat's dishonest slimebag and that's OK.

 
Provided that (1) the Republicans don't nominate a wacko (2) there isn't an earth shattering event between now and November of 2016 (like Iran detonating a nuke, or Russia invading Poland, etc), this election will come down to whether or not the economy continues to improve on Obama's watch.

 
timschochet said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
20 seconds of screen time? Wow they are really keeping her out of the way of people and reporters.
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i don't think you're interpreting this correctly. I think she wants the campaign, at least in the opening stages, to be about the American people and not her.You act like she has something to hide, or that, like Sarah Palin in 2008, her handlers are afraid for her to face reporters. It's the exact opposite IMO. Hillary believes that despite her name recognition, the public doesn't know her at all. She's going to campaign this time around just like she did after she lost Iowa- she was very sympathetic then. I think she's going to be very open with the public and the press (but not about the conspiracy Benghazi and email stuff that nobody outside of conservative haters are interested in anyhow).
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It's not about anything so far.

Things Hillary and Palin have in common:

  • Both used personal email for public business.
  • Both had their emails hacked.
  • Both had/will have their emails published.
  • Both said stupid things about relations with Russia.
 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Fennis said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
20 seconds of screen time? Wow they are really keeping her out of the way of people and reporters.
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ted cruz announced via a single tweet. welcome to the modern age
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Not a fan but he did speak in front of a large audience, and (ideas aside) by all accounts it was a good speech.
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Um, don't you remember that in 2008 Hillary spoke in front of large audiences, gave plenty of interviews to reporters and participated in all the debates? And she still came very close to winning the nomination.

So, she is suddenly now afraid to face scrutiny when she is only announced Democratic candidate, with no serious opposition on the horizon? This is not Sarah Palin redux, where her handlers are afraid she will flub a question about what periodicals she reads.

She is intentionally starting out low key so as not to give the impression that she thinks this is a coronation. She will give the speeches and interviews in time, but when that happens you will find some reason to be critical of that too (as you seemingly do with every move she makes).

 
squistion said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Fennis said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
20 seconds of screen time? Wow they are really keeping her out of the way of people and reporters.
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ted cruz announced via a single tweet. welcome to the modern age
Click to expand...
Not a fan but he did speak in front of a large audience, and (ideas aside) by all accounts it was a good speech.
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Um, don't you remember that in 2008 Hillary spoke in front of large audiences, gave plenty of interviews to reporters and participated in all the debates? And she still came very close to winning the nomination.

So, she is suddenly now afraid to face scrutiny when she is only announced Democratic candidate, with no serious opposition on the horizon? This is not Sarah Palin redux, where her handlers are afraid she will flub a question about what periodicals she reads.

She is intentionally starting out low key so as not to give the impression that she thinks this is a coronation. She will give the speeches and interviews in time, but when that happens you will find some reason to be critical of that too (as you seemingly do with every move she makes).
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It didn't start out that out that way with Palin, but that brings up another thing they share in common:

  • They both do worse the more they get in front of people.
  • Actually they aren't letting Hillary do unscripted interviews or leave her open to pools of reporters. Hillary may be doing even less than Palin right now, we will see if that changes. The difference being that with Palin the fear was she would say something stupid, and with Hillary it's that she will say something self-incriminating.
Hillary did start doing better in 2008 once she fell behind, but let's not forget the role that hacks like Sid Blumenthal had in that. He'll be on the right hand of power in the Oval Office when she takes office so that's something else to look forward to.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
squistion said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Fennis said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
20 seconds of screen time? Wow they are really keeping her out of the way of people and reporters.
Click to expand...
ted cruz announced via a single tweet. welcome to the modern age
Click to expand...
Not a fan but he did speak in front of a large audience, and (ideas aside) by all accounts it was a good speech.
Click to expand...
Um, don't you remember that in 2008 Hillary spoke in front of large audiences, gave plenty of interviews to reporters and participated in all the debates? And she still came very close to winning the nomination.So, she is suddenly now afraid to face scrutiny when she is only announced Democratic candidate, with no serious opposition on the horizon? This is not Sarah Palin redux, where her handlers are afraid she will flub a question about what periodicals she reads.

She is intentionally starting out low key so as not to give the impression that she thinks this is a coronation. She will give the speeches and interviews in time, but when that happens you will find some reason to be critical of that too (as you seemingly do with every move she makes).
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It didn't start out that out that way with Palin, but that brings up another thing they share in common:

  • They both do worse the more they get in front of people.
  • Hillary did start doing better in 2008 once she fell behind
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You contradict yourself. If they both do worse the more they get in front of people, then Hillary couldn't have started doing better once she fell behind (unless you claim she got in front of people less, which isn't supported by the facts).

 
squistion said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
squistion said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Fennis said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
20 seconds of screen time? Wow they are really keeping her out of the way of people and reporters.
Click to expand...
ted cruz announced via a single tweet. welcome to the modern age
Click to expand...
Not a fan but he did speak in front of a large audience, and (ideas aside) by all accounts it was a good speech.
Click to expand...
Um, don't you remember that in 2008 Hillary spoke in front of large audiences, gave plenty of interviews to reporters and participated in all the debates? And she still came very close to winning the nomination.So, she is suddenly now afraid to face scrutiny when she is only announced Democratic candidate, with no serious opposition on the horizon? This is not Sarah Palin redux, where her handlers are afraid she will flub a question about what periodicals she reads.

She is intentionally starting out low key so as not to give the impression that she thinks this is a coronation. She will give the speeches and interviews in time, but when that happens you will find some reason to be critical of that too (as you seemingly do with every move she makes).
Click to expand...
It didn't start out that out that way with Palin, but that brings up another thing they share in common:

  • They both do worse the more they get in front of people.
  • Hillary did start doing better in 2008 once she fell behind
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You contradict yourself. If they both do worse the more they get in front of people, then Hillary couldn't have started doing better once she fell behind (unless you claim she got in front of people less, which isn't supported by the facts).
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Granted, you're right about that.

 
On a lighter note, some reactions on Twitter:

Conan O'Brien ‏@ConanOBrien ·

.@HillaryClinton announced she is running for president. Man, I did not see that coming.

God ‏@TheTweetOfGod ·

I support #Hillary2016 because if I don't she'll beat Me up.

Will Antonin ‏@Will_Antonin ·

Breaking: Democrats excited over candidate who voted for Bush's war. #Hillary2016

 
pantherclub said:
Tim, are you a Hillary fan and if so why do you like her?
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Honestly, part of it's shtick- it cracks me up how much she angers so many people. However, it's not trolling- if you see me writing something over the top, then you'll know it.

But seriously I've always liked her persona, I've always thought she was generally a good person, and I've never bought into all of the conspiracy stuff. I consider myself a moderate and a centrist and it's becoming apparent to me that she will occupy the center in 2016. The Republicans seem hell bent on moving to the right this time (or, just like the last two elections, the only way the centrist GOP candidate wins is to move to the right himself). I generally vote for whoever occupies the central ground. I was set to vote for McCain in 2008 until I learned about Sarah Palin. I voted for Romney, reluctantly, in 2012. This will be my first vote for a Democrat since 2004.

 
The other thing for me, like Saints and a few others around here, I generally love this #### no matter who wins. I love the race. I love analyzing the campaigns and second guessing stuff.

 
All this discussion on TV about how Hillary keeps her edge during the next year- it reminds me of an NFL team that wins home field advantage throughout the playoffs with 3 weeks left in the season- you always hear this debate about whether or not they should play their starters, how long, should they try to win the next few games, etc.

 
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