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[SaintsInDome2006]

Meanwhile, back at the Hillary CPU...

Mills shared now-classified info with Clinton Foundation

Hillary Clintons No. 2 at the State Department twice forwarded information to the Clinton Foundation that was later deemed classified, the latest instance of former Clinton staff transmitting now-classified information.

According to a new email chain shared with POLITICO by Citizens United, Cheryl Mills Clinton's former chief of state at State forwarded State Department background information about Rwanda and the Congo to the Clintons' philanthropic organization. Citizens United, a conservative activist group, obtained the messages via a Freedom of Information act lawsuit.

...The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

Mills lawyer Beth Wilkinson of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison did not respond to requests for comment. Previously, Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them.

Meanwhile, the FBI is currently investigating whether classified information was ever mishandled via Hillary Clinton's private email server.

...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/cheryl-mills-hillary-clinton-emails-classified-foundation-214469#ixzz3npfh7WYg

"later deemed classified" means it wasn't classified at the time of recept. And it is noted above that "Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them" How can you hold Hillary responsible for emails that were retroactively marked classified three years after she received them?

Because Saints argues that the quoted opinions of "security experts" who my nature believe everything must be classified trumps the real world diplomatic mission of the State Department where information must be shared. In this case anything that mention a foreign government should have always been assumed top secret because that is what the ex security administration guy thinks. Of course this is so secret that it was given to a conservative activist group via a FOIA request.

Oh, and per the standard established in this thread for "mishandling classified documents" Citizen's United will be raided soon and everyone there will be heading off to prison. This stuff is substantive!

You know the crux of this argument and there isn't one. The "security experts" are the US government's intelligence community, they determine what is Classified, not State,

The defense you're offering has never worked for anyone accused of taking unmarked classified information home ever.

And I'm guessing we could dig these emails up off State, let's see the declassification date on them.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Meanwhile, back at the Hillary CPU...

Mills shared now-classified info with Clinton Foundation

Hillary Clintons No. 2 at the State Department twice forwarded information to the Clinton Foundation that was later deemed classified, the latest instance of former Clinton staff transmitting now-classified information.

According to a new email chain shared with POLITICO by Citizens United, Cheryl Mills Clinton's former chief of state at State forwarded State Department background information about Rwanda and the Congo to the Clintons' philanthropic organization. Citizens United, a conservative activist group, obtained the messages via a Freedom of Information act lawsuit.

...The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

Mills lawyer Beth Wilkinson of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison did not respond to requests for comment. Previously, Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them.

Meanwhile, the FBI is currently investigating whether classified information was ever mishandled via Hillary Clinton's private email server.

...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/cheryl-mills-hillary-clinton-emails-classified-foundation-214469#ixzz3npfh7WYg

"later deemed classified" means it wasn't classified at the time of recept. And it is noted above that "Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them" How can you hold Hillary responsible for emails that were retroactively marked classified three years after she received them?

Because Saints (eta: and others) argues that the quoted opinions of "security experts" who by nature believe everything must be classified trumps the real world diplomatic mission of the State Department where information must be shared. In this case anything that mention a foreign government should have always been assumed top secret because that is what the ex security administration guy thinks. Of course this is so secret that it was given to a conservative activist group via a FOIA request.

Oh, and per the standard established in this thread for "mishandling classified documents" Citizen's United will be raided soon and everyone there will be heading off to prison. This stuff is substantive!

What exactly was the real world diplomatic mission that required the SOS to share this information with a private foundation?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Meanwhile, back at the Hillary CPU...

Mills shared now-classified info with Clinton Foundation

Hillary Clintons No. 2 at the State Department twice forwarded information to the Clinton Foundation that was later deemed classified, the latest instance of former Clinton staff transmitting now-classified information.

According to a new email chain shared with POLITICO by Citizens United, Cheryl Mills Clinton's former chief of state at State forwarded State Department background information about Rwanda and the Congo to the Clintons' philanthropic organization. Citizens United, a conservative activist group, obtained the messages via a Freedom of Information act lawsuit.

...The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

Mills lawyer Beth Wilkinson of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison did not respond to requests for comment. Previously, Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them.

Meanwhile, the FBI is currently investigating whether classified information was ever mishandled via Hillary Clinton's private email server.

...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/cheryl-mills-hillary-clinton-emails-classified-foundation-214469#ixzz3npfh7WYg

"later deemed classified" means it wasn't classified at the time of recept. And it is noted above that "Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them" How can you hold Hillary responsible for emails that were retroactively marked classified three years after she received them?

Because Saints (eta: and others) argues that the quoted opinions of "security experts" who by nature believe everything must be classified trumps the real world diplomatic mission of the State Department where information must be shared. In this case anything that mention a foreign government should have always been assumed top secret because that is what the ex security administration guy thinks. Of course this is so secret that it was given to a conservative activist group via a FOIA request.

Oh, and per the standard established in this thread for "mishandling classified documents" Citizen's United will be raided soon and everyone there will be heading off to prison. This stuff is substantive!

What exactly was the real world diplomatic mission that required the SOS to share this information with a private foundation?

And then there's that.

 

[fourd]

Meanwhile, back at the Hillary CPU...

Mills shared now-classified info with Clinton Foundation

Hillary Clintons No. 2 at the State Department twice forwarded information to the Clinton Foundation that was later deemed classified, the latest instance of former Clinton staff transmitting now-classified information.

According to a new email chain shared with POLITICO by Citizens United, Cheryl Mills Clinton's former chief of state at State forwarded State Department background information about Rwanda and the Congo to the Clintons' philanthropic organization. Citizens United, a conservative activist group, obtained the messages via a Freedom of Information act lawsuit.

...The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

Mills lawyer Beth Wilkinson of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison did not respond to requests for comment. Previously, Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them.

Meanwhile, the FBI is currently investigating whether classified information was ever mishandled via Hillary Clinton's private email server.

...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/cheryl-mills-hillary-clinton-emails-classified-foundation-214469#ixzz3npfh7WYg

"later deemed classified" means it wasn't classified at the time of recept. And it is noted above that "Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them" How can you hold Hillary responsible for emails that were retroactively marked classified three years after she received them?

Because Saints (eta: and others) argues that the quoted opinions of "security experts" who by nature believe everything must be classified trumps the real world diplomatic mission of the State Department where information must be shared. In this case anything that mention a foreign government should have always been assumed top secret because that is what the ex security administration guy thinks. Of course this is so secret that it was given to a conservative activist group via a FOIA request.

Oh, and per the standard established in this thread for "mishandling classified documents" Citizen's United will be raided soon and everyone there will be heading off to prison. This stuff is substantive!

Your rationalizations have become absurd.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

BFS, Squizz - I asked Tim this (and he unsurprisingly deflected) so I will ask you: will it be Hillary's policy as president that those working under her will be able to take unmarked documents home which would potentially be marked classified based on subject matter if they were forwarded to the intelligence community for marking?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

BFS, Squizz - I asked Tim this so I will ask you: will it be Hillary's policy as president that those working under her will be able to take unmarked documents home which would potentially be marked classified based on subject matter if they were forwarded to the intelligence community for marking?

I'm sure Hillary will allow government employees to have access to their e-mail remotely.

I'm sure Hillary will not allow any of your non sequitur hypotheticals.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

BFS, Squizz - I asked Tim this so I will ask you: will it be Hillary's policy as president that those working under her will be able to take unmarked documents home which would potentially be marked classified based on subject matter if they were forwarded to the intelligence community for marking?

I'm sure Hillary will allow government employees to have access to their e-mail remotely.

I'm sure Hillary will not allow any of your non sequitur hypotheticals.

You think it's a hypothetical in the real world diplomatic and intelligence community that communications that the IC has determined in and of themselves Classified will at one point be unmarked and that USG employees could attempt to physically take them home or email the content of those communications on unsecure servers?

You think that's a hypothetical? So Hillary will not have any policy at all on the issue then. Ok I guess that answers that question.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hillary Rodham Clinton, as she offered up a sheaf of new health care proposals, said she was “building on the Affordable Care Act.” But lurking in those proposals was a veiled criticism of President Obama’s signature domestic achievement: For many families, the Affordable Care Act has not made health care affordable.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/07/us/politics/hillary-clintons-proposed-changes-to-health-law-zero-in-on-affordability.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Meanwhile, back at the Hillary CPU...

Mills shared now-classified info with Clinton Foundation

Hillary Clintons No. 2 at the State Department twice forwarded information to the Clinton Foundation that was later deemed classified, the latest instance of former Clinton staff transmitting now-classified information.

According to a new email chain shared with POLITICO by Citizens United, Cheryl Mills Clinton's former chief of state at State forwarded State Department background information about Rwanda and the Congo to the Clintons' philanthropic organization. Citizens United, a conservative activist group, obtained the messages via a Freedom of Information act lawsuit.

...The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

Mills lawyer Beth Wilkinson of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison did not respond to requests for comment. Previously, Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them.

Meanwhile, the FBI is currently investigating whether classified information was ever mishandled via Hillary Clinton's private email server.

...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/cheryl-mills-hillary-clinton-emails-classified-foundation-214469#ixzz3npfh7WYg

"later deemed classified" means it wasn't classified at the time of recept. And it is noted above that "Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them" How can you hold Hillary responsible for emails that were retroactively marked classified three years after she received them?

Because Saints (eta: and others) argues that the quoted opinions of "security experts" who by nature believe everything must be classified trumps the real world diplomatic mission of the State Department where information must be shared. In this case anything that mention a foreign government should have always been assumed top secret because that is what the ex security administration guy thinks. Of course this is so secret that it was given to a conservative activist group via a FOIA request.

Oh, and per the standard established in this thread for "mishandling classified documents" Citizen's United will be raided soon and everyone there will be heading off to prison. This stuff is substantive!

What exactly was the real world diplomatic mission that required the SOS to share this information with a private foundation?

You don't think that the State Department is going to be interested and helpful in "agricultural programs to help more Rwandan farmers increase their crop yields and improve their access to markets."? Or similar?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

You know the crux of this argument and there isn't one.

Exactly! When it comes to this e-mail stuff there is nothing here!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Employee at Clinton's email hosting company feared a cover-up Platte River Networks said they were asked to limit backups of her server.

An employee at the tech company that maintained Hillary Clinton’s homemade email server was concerned that instructions from a Clinton-linked company would have the tech firm “covering up some shaddy [sic] shi+,” according to emails obtained by Senate investigators.

Employees at Denver-based Platte River Networks in a mid-August email chain were trying to find records that showed that the Clinton Executive Service Corp., the company paying the Platte River bill, had instructed them to reduce the length of time backups of Clinton's emails were kept.


“Any chance you found an old email with their directive to cut the backup back in Oct-Feb,” one Platte River employee asked another, according to excerpts of the emails included in a Monday letter from Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.). “I know they had you cut it once in Oct-Nov, then again to 30day in Feb-ish.”

Such a record, the employee said, would be “golden," and would clear the company of outside criticism and point back to Clinton Executive Service Corp., which “appears to be a Clinton family company,” according to the Johnson letter.

“Starting to think this whole thing really is covering up some shaddy ####,” the employee continued. “I just think if we have it in writing that they told us to cut the backups, and we can go public saying we have had backups since day one, then we were told to trim to 30 days, it would make us look a WHOLE LOT better.”

McClatchy first reported on the Johnson letter.

In December of 2014, Clinton turned over to the State Department about half of her 60,000-plus emails that spanned her time in office as Secretary of State. The other 30,000, she said, were “personal” in nature. She said she deleted them.

Republicans and outside groups suing State Department for documents, however, have questioned whether she turned over all her work-related documents as is required by law — or if her team withheld messages that would have potentially been embarrassing to the Democratic 2016 presidential frontrunner.

Her team has said they were over-inclusive in what they turned over. But just days ago, the State Department confirmed that it did not receive copies of work-related emails from the first few weeks of Clinton’s tenure, an oversight first discovered by a government watchdog.

The previously undisclosed emails between Clinton and General David Petraeus further raised questions about whether her public record was complete.

The State Department, according to Tuesday court documents, wrote to Clinton’s lawyer David Kendall, and asked that that he confirm that Clinton did not have additional emails from the beginning of her tenure. State asked that Clinton turn over any such emails.

According to the Platte River email chain, the employees searching for directives about backing up Clinton's email considered creative ways to find the instructions.

“Wonder how we can sneak an email in now after the fact asking them when they told us to cut the backups and have them confirm it for our records,” the employee wrote.

Footnotes in the letter say the employees believe the directives were give over the phone.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-emails-server-214487#ixzz3npwLGFi1

 

[Sinn Fein]

Meanwhile, back at the Hillary CPU...

Mills shared now-classified info with Clinton Foundation

Hillary Clintons No. 2 at the State Department twice forwarded information to the Clinton Foundation that was later deemed classified, the latest instance of former Clinton staff transmitting now-classified information.

According to a new email chain shared with POLITICO by Citizens United, Cheryl Mills Clinton's former chief of state at State forwarded State Department background information about Rwanda and the Congo to the Clintons' philanthropic organization. Citizens United, a conservative activist group, obtained the messages via a Freedom of Information act lawsuit.

...The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

Mills lawyer Beth Wilkinson of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison did not respond to requests for comment. Previously, Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them.

Meanwhile, the FBI is currently investigating whether classified information was ever mishandled via Hillary Clinton's private email server.

...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/cheryl-mills-hillary-clinton-emails-classified-foundation-214469#ixzz3npfh7WYg

"later deemed classified" means it wasn't classified at the time of recept. And it is noted above that "Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them" How can you hold Hillary responsible for emails that were retroactively marked classified three years after she received them?

Because Saints (eta: and others) argues that the quoted opinions of "security experts" who by nature believe everything must be classified trumps the real world diplomatic mission of the State Department where information must be shared. In this case anything that mention a foreign government should have always been assumed top secret because that is what the ex security administration guy thinks. Of course this is so secret that it was given to a conservative activist group via a FOIA request.

Oh, and per the standard established in this thread for "mishandling classified documents" Citizen's United will be raided soon and everyone there will be heading off to prison. This stuff is substantive!

What exactly was the real world diplomatic mission that required the SOS to share this information with a private foundation?

You don't think that the State Department is going to be interested and helpful in "agricultural programs to help more Rwandan farmers increase their crop yields and improve their access to markets."? Or similar?

Dated:

TUESDAY FEB 17, 2015

I have no doubt the Foundation received great benefits from the State Department...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

You know the crux of this argument and there isn't one.

Exactly! When it comes to this e-mail stuff there is nothing here!

The point is that the "argument" has been used but has never succeeded in any prosecution ever for taking Classified data or documents home. It's a "defense" but not an effective one.

And as we know there are all levels or penalties to this issue, from being capable of being fired or being barred from future USG work or losing security clearances forever all the way to felony prosecution. But regardless of the issue or law or reg this defense does not work.

 

[The Commish]

As for Biden, with every day he waits he loses more credibility....

So you read the Vox article?

Good article.The hatred by some toward Hillary Clinton, the double standard by which she gets treated differently than any other politician, has always been inexplicable to me. I'd hate to think sexism is at the root of it, but it's hard to come up with rational alternatives.

Please....plenty think "Uncle Joe" is a pretty big boob. He's caught a lot of grief. The difference between him and Hillary is the way they handle the criticism. He doesn't lash out. He comes off as the "aw shucks" sort of crazy uncle. Hillary is Hillary. It's plenty explainable if you're actually willing to accept it.

 

[The Commish]

"later deemed classified" means it wasn't classified at the time of recept. And it is noted above that "Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them" How can you hold Hillary responsible for emails that were retroactively marked classified three years after she received them?

The problematic narrative is that a high ranking gov't official is playing the "well, it wasn't marked classified when I sent it" card. That's either grasping at straws or genuinely not knowing classified information when she see it. Take your pick

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

You know the crux of this argument and there isn't one.

Exactly! When it comes to this e-mail stuff there is nothing here!

The point is that the "argument" has been used but has never succeeded in any prosecution ever for taking Classified data or documents home. It's a "defense" but not an effective one.

And as we know there are all levels or penalties to this issue, from being capable of being fired or being barred from future USG work or losing security clearances forever all the way to felony prosecution. But regardless of the issue or law or reg this defense does not work.

Hillary doesn't need a defense because there is nothing here!

At least to date Hillary did not forward classified material to her biographer, or lover, or even herself. Hillary did not remove any classified documents nor did she create copies. At worst when incidental disclosures of information that would eventually be determine classified by, in most cases other agencies "claiming it" she didn't scramble to address the breach at the time according to the "everything is classified" standards of other agencies.

 

[squistion]

The point is that the "argument" has been used but has never succeeded in any prosecution ever for taking Classified data or documents home. It's a "defense" but not an effective one.

And as we know there are all levels or penalties to this issue, from being capable of being fired or being barred from future USG work or losing security clearances forever all the way to felony prosecution. But regardless of the issue or law or reg this defense does not work.

Hillary doesn't need a defense because there is nothing here!

At least to date Hillary did not forward classified material to her biographer, or lover, or even herself. Hillary did not remove any classified documents nor did she create copies. At worst when incidental disclosures of information that would eventually be determine classified by, in most cases other agencies "claiming it" she didn't scramble to address the breach at the time according to the "everything is classified" standards of other agencies.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Meanwhile, back at the Hillary CPU...

Mills shared now-classified info with Clinton Foundation

Hillary Clintons No. 2 at the State Department twice forwarded information to the Clinton Foundation that was later deemed classified, the latest instance of former Clinton staff transmitting now-classified information.

According to a new email chain shared with POLITICO by Citizens United, Cheryl Mills Clinton's former chief of state at State forwarded State Department background information about Rwanda and the Congo to the Clintons' philanthropic organization. Citizens United, a conservative activist group, obtained the messages via a Freedom of Information act lawsuit.

...The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

Mills lawyer Beth Wilkinson of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison did not respond to requests for comment. Previously, Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them.

Meanwhile, the FBI is currently investigating whether classified information was ever mishandled via Hillary Clinton's private email server.

...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/cheryl-mills-hillary-clinton-emails-classified-foundation-214469#ixzz3npfh7WYg

"later deemed classified" means it wasn't classified at the time of recept. And it is noted above that "Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them" How can you hold Hillary responsible for emails that were retroactively marked classified three years after she received them?

Because Saints (eta: and others) argues that the quoted opinions of "security experts" who by nature believe everything must be classified trumps the real world diplomatic mission of the State Department where information must be shared. In this case anything that mention a foreign government should have always been assumed top secret because that is what the ex security administration guy thinks. Of course this is so secret that it was given to a conservative activist group via a FOIA request.

Oh, and per the standard established in this thread for "mishandling classified documents" Citizen's United will be raided soon and everyone there will be heading off to prison. This stuff is substantive!

What exactly was the real world diplomatic mission that required the SOS to share this information with a private foundation?

You don't think that the State Department is going to be interested and helpful in "agricultural programs to help more Rwandan farmers increase their crop yields and improve their access to markets."? Or similar?

Dated:

TUESDAY FEB 17, 2015

I have no doubt the Foundation received great benefits from the State Department...

announced an expansion of its long-standing work in Rwanda

Since 2008, the Clinton Foundation has partnered with the Hunter Foundation in Rwanda, establishing two agribusinesses – Soyco Limited and Rwanda Farmers Coffee Company – to foster economic development and empower smallholder farmers, connect them to markets that add value to their agricultural products, create jobs, and expand export opportunities. Additionally, CDI has demonstrated success in working with more than 40,000 smallholder farmers in Tanzania and Malawi by increasing their crop yields and improving their access to markets for high crop selling prices, resulting in increased profits to farmers.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Meanwhile, back at the Hillary CPU...

Mills shared now-classified info with Clinton Foundation

Hillary Clintons No. 2 at the State Department twice forwarded information to the Clinton Foundation that was later deemed classified, the latest instance of former Clinton staff transmitting now-classified information.

According to a new email chain shared with POLITICO by Citizens United, Cheryl Mills Clinton's former chief of state at State forwarded State Department background information about Rwanda and the Congo to the Clintons' philanthropic organization. Citizens United, a conservative activist group, obtained the messages via a Freedom of Information act lawsuit.

...The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

Mills lawyer Beth Wilkinson of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison did not respond to requests for comment. Previously, Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them.

Meanwhile, the FBI is currently investigating whether classified information was ever mishandled via Hillary Clinton's private email server.

...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/cheryl-mills-hillary-clinton-emails-classified-foundation-214469#ixzz3npfh7WYg

"later deemed classified" means it wasn't classified at the time of recept. And it is noted above that "Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them" How can you hold Hillary responsible for emails that were retroactively marked classified three years after she received them?

Because Saints (eta: and others) argues that the quoted opinions of "security experts" who by nature believe everything must be classified trumps the real world diplomatic mission of the State Department where information must be shared. In this case anything that mention a foreign government should have always been assumed top secret because that is what the ex security administration guy thinks. Of course this is so secret that it was given to a conservative activist group via a FOIA request.

Oh, and per the standard established in this thread for "mishandling classified documents" Citizen's United will be raided soon and everyone there will be heading off to prison. This stuff is substantive!

What exactly was the real world diplomatic mission that required the SOS to share this information with a private foundation?

You don't think that the State Department is going to be interested and helpful in "agricultural programs to help more Rwandan farmers increase their crop yields and improve their access to markets."? Or similar?

Dated:

TUESDAY FEB 17, 2015

I have no doubt the Foundation received great benefits from the State Department...

announced an expansion of its long-standing work in Rwanda

Since 2008, the Clinton Foundation has partnered with the Hunter Foundation in Rwanda, establishing two agribusinesses – Soyco Limited and Rwanda Farmers Coffee Company – to foster economic development and empower smallholder farmers, connect them to markets that add value to their agricultural products, create jobs, and expand export opportunities. Additionally, CDI has demonstrated success in working with more than 40,000 smallholder farmers in Tanzania and Malawi by increasing their crop yields and improving their access to markets for high crop selling prices, resulting in increased profits to farmers.

Is quoting the Clinton campaign, the Foundation or Hillary or one of her minions worth anything at all?

The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

There is no reason, no excuse for converting the internal data and knowledge of the State Department for private use by any corporation, non-profit or person. This is Hillary and Bill and their internal aides working on the PUBLIC dime to use the internal confidential and classified information generated by our government for their PRIVATE gain and use.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Meanwhile, back at the Hillary CPU...

Mills shared now-classified info with Clinton Foundation

Hillary Clintons No. 2 at the State Department twice forwarded information to the Clinton Foundation that was later deemed classified, the latest instance of former Clinton staff transmitting now-classified information.

According to a new email chain shared with POLITICO by Citizens United, Cheryl Mills Clinton's former chief of state at State forwarded State Department background information about Rwanda and the Congo to the Clintons' philanthropic organization. Citizens United, a conservative activist group, obtained the messages via a Freedom of Information act lawsuit.

...The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

Mills lawyer Beth Wilkinson of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison did not respond to requests for comment. Previously, Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them.

Meanwhile, the FBI is currently investigating whether classified information was ever mishandled via Hillary Clinton's private email server.

...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/cheryl-mills-hillary-clinton-emails-classified-foundation-214469#ixzz3npfh7WYg

"later deemed classified" means it wasn't classified at the time of recept. And it is noted above that "Mills' legal team has argued that she did nothing wrong because the messages were not marked classified when she had originally sent them" How can you hold Hillary responsible for emails that were retroactively marked classified three years after she received them?

Because Saints (eta: and others) argues that the quoted opinions of "security experts" who by nature believe everything must be classified trumps the real world diplomatic mission of the State Department where information must be shared. In this case anything that mention a foreign government should have always been assumed top secret because that is what the ex security administration guy thinks. Of course this is so secret that it was given to a conservative activist group via a FOIA request.

Oh, and per the standard established in this thread for "mishandling classified documents" Citizen's United will be raided soon and everyone there will be heading off to prison. This stuff is substantive!

What exactly was the real world diplomatic mission that required the SOS to share this information with a private foundation?

You don't think that the State Department is going to be interested and helpful in "agricultural programs to help more Rwandan farmers increase their crop yields and improve their access to markets."? Or similar?

Dated:

TUESDAY FEB 17, 2015

I have no doubt the Foundation received great benefits from the State Department...

announced an expansion of its long-standing work in Rwanda

Since 2008, the Clinton Foundation has partnered with the Hunter Foundation in Rwanda, establishing two agribusinesses – Soyco Limited and Rwanda Farmers Coffee Company – to foster economic development and empower smallholder farmers, connect them to markets that add value to their agricultural products, create jobs, and expand export opportunities. Additionally, CDI has demonstrated success in working with more than 40,000 smallholder farmers in Tanzania and Malawi by increasing their crop yields and improving their access to markets for high crop selling prices, resulting in increased profits to farmers.

Is quoting the Clinton campaign, the Foundation or Hillary or one of her minions worth anything at all?

The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

There is no reason, no excuse for converting the internal data and knowledge of the State Department for private use by any corporation, non-profit or person. This is Hillary and Bill and their internal aides working on the PUBLIC dime to use the internal confidential and classified information generated by our government for their PRIVATE gain and use.

This is ridiculous!

ETA: Are you saying that if there was earthquake tomorrow in some third world nation with internal security issues that the State Department would not communicate " internal data and knowledge" with the Red Cross among others to facilitate aid? Ridiculous!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

announced an expansion of its long-standing work in Rwanda

Since 2008, the Clinton Foundation has partnered with the Hunter Foundation in Rwanda, establishing two agribusinesses – Soyco Limited and Rwanda Farmers Coffee Company – to foster economic development and empower smallholder farmers, connect them to markets that add value to their agricultural products, create jobs, and expand export opportunities. Additionally, CDI has demonstrated success in working with more than 40,000 smallholder farmers in Tanzania and Malawi by increasing their crop yields and improving their access to markets for high crop selling prices, resulting in increased profits to farmers.

Is quoting the Clinton campaign, the Foundation or Hillary or one of her minions worth anything at all?

The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

There is no reason, no excuse for converting the internal data and knowledge of the State Department for private use by any corporation, non-profit or person. This is Hillary and Bill and their internal aides working on the PUBLIC dime to use the internal confidential and classified information generated by our government for their PRIVATE gain and use.

This is ridiculous!

It's actually the very definition of corruption.

 

[timschochet]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/06/can-hillary-beat-bernie-in-a-gunfight.html

Hillary's proposals on gun control will be used by her campaign to differentiate herself from Bernie, who has offered some questionable votes (at least, for progressives) on gun control in the past...

 

[Jamesbrownkid]

http://www.mediaite.com/online/matt-drudge-gives-incredibly-rare-interview-to-alex-jones-talks-hillary-sick-america/

Drudge particularly went after Hillary Clinton. He asked why the media doesn’t talk about her “lovers,” said that a majority of voters would vote for her if she was just a “brain in a jar,” and called her both “old” and “sick.”

He warned that if Clinton is president and has power over the NSA, “good luck if you dissent.”
Drudge continued going off on the Democrats, but did tell Jones he’s more angry at the “sick” Americans than he is at Clinton or President Obama. At one point, when he went off on Democratic gun policies, he challenged both of them to dismiss their armed security and see how they like it.

He also said Obama could have easily been impeached following the IRS targeting scandal.

 

[Slapdash]

BFS, Squizz - I asked Tim this so I will ask you: will it be Hillary's policy as president that those working under her will be able to take unmarked documents home which would potentially be marked classified based on subject matter if they were forwarded to the intelligence community for marking?

I'm sure Hillary will allow government employees to have access to their e-mail remotely.

I'm sure Hillary will not allow any of your non sequitur hypotheticals.

You mean on government issued devices right?

 

[timschochet]

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/clinton-sends-book-gop/2015/10/06/id/694998/

Hillary has sent a copy of Hard Choices to every Republican candidate except Jim Gilmore. (I think she just forgot Gilmore, which is kind of harsh on him.)

She sent this note:

I understand that you and your fellow Republican candidates for president were questioning my record of accomplishments at your last debate, so I thought you might enjoy reading my book, Hard Choices. From working to restore America’s standing in the world to bringing crippling sanctions to Iran to negotiating a ceasefire in Gaza, please enjoy all 596 pages of my time as secretary of state.

With 15 candidates in the race, you’ve got enough people for a book club!

 

[timschochet]

Politico accuses Biden of leaking the story about his son urging him to run (to Maureen Dowd). Biden denies it.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Politico accuses Biden of leaking the story about his son urging him to run (to Maureen Dowd). Biden denies it.

Tim I posted this further up.

 

[squistion]

Politico accuses Biden of leaking the story about his son urging him to run (to Maureen Dowd). Biden denies it.

Tim I posted this further up.

Easy to miss with the numerous articles you bombard us with about emails and the Clinton Foundation.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Thanks, sure no problem, it was a direct reply to Tim's original post on this subject.

 

[Slapdash]

Politico accuses Biden of leaking the story about his son urging him to run (to Maureen Dowd). Biden denies it.

Tim I posted this further up.

Easy to miss with the numerous articles you bombard us with about emails and the Clinton Foundation.

Yet more problems with you guys leaving your head in the sand all day.

 

[jon_mx]

You know the crux of this argument and there isn't one.

Exactly! When it comes to this e-mail stuff there is nothing here!

The point is that the "argument" has been used but has never succeeded in any prosecution ever for taking Classified data or documents home. It's a "defense" but not an effective one.

And as we know there are all levels or penalties to this issue, from being capable of being fired or being barred from future USG work or losing security clearances forever all the way to felony prosecution. But regardless of the issue or law or reg this defense does not work.

Hillary doesn't need a defense because there is nothing here!

At least to date Hillary did not forward classified material to her biographer, or lover, or even herself. Hillary did not remove any classified documents nor did she create copies. At worst when incidental disclosures of information that would eventually be determine classified by, in most cases other agencies "claiming it" she didn't scramble to address the breach at the time according to the "everything is classified" standards of other agencies.

BFS, Squizz - I asked Tim this so I will ask you: will it be Hillary's policy as president that those working under her will be able to take unmarked documents home which would potentially be marked classified based on subject matter if they were forwarded to the intelligence community for marking?

I'm sure Hillary will allow government employees to have access to their e-mail remotely.

I'm sure Hillary will not allow any of your non sequitur hypotheticals.

You mean on government issued devices right?

Mobile devices do not access classified information. Hillary is at a minimum guilty of mishandling classified information.

 

[jon_mx]

I am glad this e-mail story has been dead for over a month and there is nothing to see here. A search of Google's top stories on Hillary reveals how everyone is focused on how rosy her campaign is.....

State Dept. tells Hillary Clinton to search for more emailsWashington Times-10 hours ago
The email scandal shows little sign of subsiding a year after the State Department first prodded Hillary Rodham Clinton to return some 30,000 ...
Employees at company working with Clinton email server expressed ...
CNN-7 hours ago

Hillary server employee: The whole thing is 'covering up some ...
Highly Cited-New York Post-5 hours ago

How Hillary Clinton's Loyal Confidants Could Cost Her the Election
In-Depth-Vanity Fair-7 hours ago

BOOK: Three Shocking New Interviews Reveal Hillary Doing ...
Opinion-Daily Caller-Oct 5, 2015

FBI probe of Hillary Clinton emails expands to second tech company
In-Depth-Fox News-6 hours ago

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article38007336.html

Bernie Sanders gaining on Hillary Clinton in California

Hillary Rodham Clinton remains 12 percentage points ahead of the surging Bernie Sanders, according to a new Field Poll, but her support among likely Democratic voters in California has plummeted.

The poll, released Wednesday, reflects Clinton’s weakened but still-frontrunner status nationally in the presidential primary. The California measure is striking in contrast to the overwhelming support Clinton previously enjoyed in this heavily Democratic state.


Not only has Clinton lost ground to Sanders in California, nearly two-thirds of likely Democratic voters say it would be good for the party if Vice President Joe Biden entered the race – though they would not necessarily support him.

Clinton, struggling with ongoing controversy surrounding her use of personal email while secretary of state, dropped 19 percentage points in the poll from May, to 47 percent. Sanders, who polled in single digits five months ago, shot up 26 percentage points, to 35 percent.

“Clinton’s support has taken a big hit over the past few months,” poll director Mark DiCamillo said. “She needs to get past that (email controversy) to try to stabilize the situation.”


While Clinton remains ahead among likely voters in the Democratic primary, excitement for her candidacy has waned, according to the poll. Thirty-seven percent of likely Democratic primary voters said they would react enthusiastically if Clinton won the nomination, down 9 percentage points from May.

Sixty-three percent of likely Democratic voters think it would be good for the party if Biden became a candidate. This includes large majorities of Clinton and Sanders supporters, who appear to want Biden in the race despite placing their support behind other candidates.

If Biden did run, he would start a distant third in California, with just 15 percent support among likely Democratic voters, according to the poll.

Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have cultivated a far-reaching donor and political network in California, having raised money here for a quarter-century. The former first lady has enjoyed relatively positive public approval ratings for decades, and the state went for Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama in the primary election in 2008.

But Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont, has gained momentum with support from strongly liberal Democrats, as well as from young people and white voters.

“Sanders has really mounted a challenge,” DiCamillo said.


Among poll respondents supporting Sanders was Joan Callaway, a retired clothing store owner from Davis.

She said the email controversy surrounding Clinton is a “bogus thing” and that, while she supports Sanders, she expects Clinton to become the nominee.

“I’m waiting for Hillary to come around on a few issues,” Callaway said. “I think she’s a little bit, I don’t know, on the corporate side.”

In the general election, the 84-year-old said, “I like Hillary, too, and I certainly would vote for her, or Biden. I’m really pretty open.”

Sanders stands to benefit more than Clinton if Biden does enter the race. If Biden were running, Clinton’s lead over Sanders would fall from 12 percentage points to 9, according to the poll.

It is still more than a year until the primary election reaches California, with voters here going to the polls long after the primary nomination is expected to be decided.

Michael Sommers, a 65-year-old Democrat from California City, said he hasn’t made up his mind because “we’ve got a year to go.”

He said he supported Bill Clinton because “he did a lot for the country economically.”

Of Hillary Clinton, Sommers said, “I don’t know.”

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

.

announced an expansion of its long-standing work in Rwanda

Since 2008, the Clinton Foundation has partnered with the Hunter Foundation in Rwanda, establishing two agribusinesses – Soyco Limited and Rwanda Farmers Coffee Company – to foster economic development and empower smallholder farmers, connect them to markets that add value to their agricultural products, create jobs, and expand export opportunities. Additionally, CDI has demonstrated success in working with more than 40,000 smallholder farmers in Tanzania and Malawi by increasing their crop yields and improving their access to markets for high crop selling prices, resulting in increased profits to farmers.

Is quoting the Clinton campaign, the Foundation or Hillary or one of her minions worth anything at all?

The information in the 2012 emails was classified by the State Department in July of this year because of national security and foreign policy reasons, according to the documents. The classification specifically related to foreign government information and intelligence activities, sources or methods, according to the redaction labels.

There is no reason, no excuse for converting the internal data and knowledge of the State Department for private use by any corporation, non-profit or person. This is Hillary and Bill and their internal aides working on the PUBLIC dime to use the internal confidential and classified information generated by our government for their PRIVATE gain and use.

This is ridiculous!

ETA: Are you saying that if there was earthquake tomorrow in some third world nation with internal security issues that the State Department would not communicate " internal data and knowledge" with the Red Cross among others to facilitate aid? Ridiculous!

That would be government data and information gathered for the public and released to the public and all groups, not internal, confidential, and yes classified per IC guidelines diplomatic information gathered for internal use disseminated solely to one non-profit that is used to generate private gain and advancement for the SOS and her husband.

I've got news for you: the State Department isn't to be used as some private subsidiary of the Clintons' non-profits and consulting businesses and neither is the White House.

 

[The Commish]

I feel like BFS is full on fishing at this point. The only explanation I can come up with for his comments in this thread.

 

[jon_mx]

I feel like BFS is full on fishing at this point. The only explanation I can come up with for his comments in this thread.

He usually at least makes sense even if you disagree with him. Now it is almost foolish talk.

 

[shadrap]

As for Biden, with every day he waits he loses more credibility....

So you read the Vox article?

Good article.The hatred by some toward Hillary Clinton, the double standard by which she gets treated differently than any other politician, has always been inexplicable to me. I'd hate to think sexism is at the root of it, but it's hard to come up with rational alternatives.

Now sexism? You amaze me with your labeling.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I feel like BFS is full on fishing at this point. The only explanation I can come up with for his comments in this thread.

He usually at least makes sense even if you disagree with him. Now it is almost foolish talk.

BFS makes sense in the ACA thread and he isn't really (I believe) a fan of Hillary, and I admit I'm overly serious on this stuff. - I can't help but notice he hasn't had much to say on the topic of Hillary saying she will be revising the ACA/Obamacare and her sort of back door criticisms of it. Hillary is supported by Akin Gump lobbying group and others who want their favors out of the health care regulation changes. That's BFS's subject.

 

[jon_mx]

As for Biden, with every day he waits he loses more credibility....

So you read the Vox article?

Good article.The hatred by some toward Hillary Clinton, the double standard by which she gets treated differently than any other politician, has always been inexplicable to me. I'd hate to think sexism is at the root of it, but it's hard to come up with rational alternatives.

Now sexism? You amaze me with your labeling.

Tim has an amazing ability to cast a huge net and explain how everyone who disagrees with him on any topic thinks. He has yet to be correct even once, but his ability to be incorrect is uncanny.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Washington Free Bracon is reporting that the FBI have seized 4 State Dept servers as part of it's investigation into Hillary's mishandling of classified information. If true that's quite the extension of the investigation. That's in addition to the expansion already underway to the second tech company.

 

[jon_mx]

Washington Free Bracon is reporting that the FBI have seized 4 State Dept servers as part of it's investigation into Hillary's mishandling of classified information. If true that's quite the extension of the investigation. That's in addition to the expansion already underway to the second tech company.

The FBI is taking this investigation seriously and I don't believe is taking too kindly into Hillary brushing it off as some partisan attack over a trivial matter. That spin may work on her hardcore supporters, but it ain't flying elsewhere.

 

[Jamesbrownkid]

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-female-voter-calls-hillary-#####y-during-msnbc-focus-group/

During a New Hampshire focus group of Democrats televised on MSNBC this morning, “Shannon” didn’t want to say what she really thinks of Hillary Clinton.

The exchange with moderator Mark Halperin began with Shannon saying Hillary’s “scorned” tone can be “off-putting.”

“Tell me what it’s like, what are you seeing,” Halperin pressed.

After sighing, Shannon replied, “You know, when she’s — I don’t want to use the word,” laughing. Then she whispered “#####y” to Halperin.

 

[Sand]

Washington Free Bracon is reporting that the FBI have seized 4 State Dept servers as part of it's investigation into Hillary's mishandling of classified information. If true that's quite the extension of the investigation. That's in addition to the expansion already underway to the second tech company.

Well, I guess there's an advantage to pantsuits here - they hold up a bit better when crapping pants.

 

[fourd]

Washington Free Bracon is reporting that the FBI have seized 4 State Dept servers as part of it's investigation into Hillary's mishandling of classified information. If true that's quite the extension of the investigation. That's in addition to the expansion already underway to the second tech company.

The FBI is taking this investigation seriously and I don't believe is taking too kindly into Hillary brushing it off as some partisan attack over a trivial matter. That spin may work on her hardcore supporters, but it ain't flying elsewhere.

I wish they would just talk to BFS. THERE IS NOTHING HERE!

 

[Mister CIA]

Washington Free Bracon is reporting that the FBI have seized 4 State Dept servers as part of it's investigation into Hillary's mishandling of classified information. If true that's quite the extension of the investigation. That's in addition to the expansion already underway to the second tech company.

Free Bacon!! Now were talking.

Oh, nevermind.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Google News Search

Hillary Clinton Benghazi - About 1,200,000 results (0.59 seconds)

Hillary Clinton Email - About 10,400,000 results (0.32 seconds)

Hillary Clinton FBI - About 1,950,000 results (0.35 seconds)

Bernie Sanders FBI -Clinton - About 17,400 results (0.46 seconds)

Hillary is missing the big picture if she thinks her problems stem from the Benghazi committee...

 

[Sinn Fein]

Judicial Watch is going after the 30,000 "private" emails, making a claim in court that the server should be treated as government property requiring an independent review of all emails.

Judge Emmet G. Sullivan gave no indication how he was leaning and instead ordered a monthslong process of briefing papers to begin to flesh out the legal arguments.

“When Mrs. Clinton was secretary of state, as head of the agency, the State Department had control,” Judicial Watch attorney Michael Bekesha said.

Yeah, its time to move on...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Washington Free Bracon is reporting that the FBI have seized 4 State Dept servers as part of it's investigation into Hillary's mishandling of classified information. If true that's quite the extension of the investigation. That's in addition to the expansion already underway to the second tech company.

Free Bacon!! Now were talking.

Oh, nevermind.

That could make me vote for Hillary. Throw in free Guinness at the pub for life and I'm there.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Judicial Watch is going after the 30,000 "private" emails, making a claim in court that the server should be treated as government property requiring an independent review of all emails.

Judge Emmet G. Sullivan gave no indication how he was leaning and instead ordered a monthslong process of briefing papers to begin to flesh out the legal arguments.

“When Mrs. Clinton was secretary of state, as head of the agency, the State Department had control,” Judicial Watch attorney Michael Bekesha said.

Yeah, its time to move on...

That was a bold move and is fairly ground breaking for transparency advocates that he even considered the motion. I know people are evenly divided on Citizens United but I would hope that everyone of all stripes could agree that what a politician or candidate considers private record - communications to donors, to contractors, to bundlers - very much affects public acts. This would have a much bigger effect than revealing donors names and the like for guaranteeing transparency in public life. I'm pulling for Sullivan to grant that motion, it would be a big deal.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Hillary is missing the big picture if she thinks her problems stem from the Benghazi committee...

Hillary's not stupid enough to seriously believe that. She's just tossing Benghazi in there because most people see that as a fake, drummed-up "scandal," and she hopes she can somehow make the email issue go away if she ties the two together.