Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (11 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

Washington Free Beacon is reporting that the FBI have seized 4 State Dept servers as part of it's investigation into Hillary's mishandling of classified information. If true that's quite the extension of the investigation. That's in addition to the expansion already underway to the second tech company.

Well, I guess there's an advantage to pantsuits here - they hold up a bit better when crapping pants.

Well if she starts wearing the brown pair we'll know they're getting close.

 

[timschochet]

Hillary is missing the big picture if she thinks her problems stem from the Benghazi committee...

Hillary's not stupid enough to seriously believe that. She's just tossing Benghazi in there because most people see that as a fake, drummed-up "scandal," and she hopes she can somehow make the email issue go away if she ties the two together.

She doesn't hope; she knows she can do this, and she will. The FBI is not going to come up with anything, and Judicial Watch is an extreme partisan joke which nobody takes seriously.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

More detail from WaPo on the expansion of the FBI investigation into the second data company in CT.

FBI probe of Clinton e-mail expands to second data companyThe FBI’s probe into the security of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s e-mail has expanded to include a second private technology company, which said Tuesday it plans to provide the law enforcement agency with data it preserved from Clinton’s account.

The additional data, provided by Connecticut-based Datto Inc., could open a new avenue for investigators interested in recovering e-mails deleted by the former secretary of state — now the Democratic presidential front-runner — that have caught the interest of GOP lawmakers.

...An official from Datto told The Washington Post on Tuesday about his company’s interactions with the federal investigators.

“Datto is working with the FBI to provide data in conjunction with its investigation,” said Michael Fass, general counsel at Datto.

Fass said Datto had received consent to turn over data from the Clintons and from Platte River. A Datto official said the FBI would receive a “node,” a piece of hardware the company housed in Pennsylvania that allowed it to store data on its cloud.

...Late Tuesday, officials from the two tech firms disagreed about the possibility that years-old e-mails Clinton has deemed personal and deleted could be recovered by the FBI.

A Datto official said that investigators may be able to recover the e-mails if the data existed at the time the company was hired in May 2013 and had not been altered since.

A spokesman for Platte River, Andy Boian, said his company assumed that Datto would have retained data for only a short period and older e-mails would no longer be available.

...The letter to Datto from Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) cited e-mails and other documents that have been turned over to the committee by Platte River in recent weeks that show a more complicated array of companies involved in managing the Clinton e-mail system than had previously been publicly known.

The letter, in requesting additional information, describes a Clinton family entity called Clinton Executive Service, which contracted with Platte River after Hillary Clinton left the State Department.

...The context is not clear, but it suggests there was growing anxiety over how the system was managed and who would be held responsible. At about the time of that exchange, Platte River had been in discussions with Datto about the length of time Clinton e-mail data was preserved and whether copies were saved, according to a person familiar with the discussions.

“If we had that email we are golden,” the employee wrote.

“Starting to think this whole thing really is covering up some shaddy [sic] ####,” the employee wrote.

...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-probe-of-clinton-e-mail-expands-to-second-data-company/2015/10/06/3d94ba46-6c48-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html

 

[timschochet]

More and more it's looking like Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump is a real possibility. If that is the case, some of you guys are going to have to reconsider...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Couple things:

- The "received consent" to hand over hardware to the FBI is pretty funny considering that if the Clintons denied consent the FBI would just subpoena it.

- The Clinton Executive Service Corporation...... well now.

 

[Sinn Fein]

More and more it's looking like Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump is a real possibility. If that is the case, some of you guys are going to have to reconsider...

your bait. It is stinky.

 

[timschochet]

More and more it's looking like Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump is a real possibility. If that is the case, some of you guys are going to have to reconsider...

your bait. It is stinky.

I'm dead serious. I don't know if you saw the polls today but Trump is actually increasing the level of his support. He may actually be the guy. And the odds are still very heavy that Hillary will be the Dem nominee. You're going to have to decide...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Judicial Watch contended that Clinton’s routine, exclusive use of her private server transformed the data in her account into government records.

“We don’t believe it was a personal email system because it was exclusively used while she was the head of the agency,” Bekesha said.

Berman called that “an incredibly novel legal theory” and she said it was foreclosed by a 1980 Supreme Court decision that held FOIA could not be used to obtain near-transcripts of former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger’s phone conversations. Kissinger sent those records to the Library of Congress on the condition that they not be released until five years after his death.

“It is very analogous” to the Clinton situation, Berman argued. “The government has, respectfully, done even more than it's required to do in a FOIA case."

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-emails-server-214481#ixzz3nuOJB6b6


- It may be a new theory but you know what I agree with it, it's true, Hillary's "private" email system was in fact as a practical and real matter not private at all, it was her exclusive means of public communication.

The hardware is hers but the data is public.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

More and more it's looking like Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump is a real possibility. If that is the case, some of you guys are going to have to reconsider...

your bait. It is stinky.

I'm dead serious. I don't know if you saw the polls today but Trump is actually increasing the level of his support. He may actually be the guy. And the odds are still very heavy that Hillary will be the Dem nominee. You're going to have to decide...

I'm going to vote libertarian regardless.

 

[Sinn Fein]

More and more it's looking like Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump is a real possibility. If that is the case, some of you guys are going to have to reconsider...

your bait. It is stinky.

I'm dead serious. I don't know if you saw the polls today but Trump is actually increasing the level of his support. He may actually be the guy. And the odds are still very heavy that Hillary will be the Dem nominee. You're going to have to decide...

I won't vote.

But Trump will not be the nominee. When the consolidation occurs it will be a giant game of musical chairs - and Trump won't be sitting anywhere when its done.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

“I ask you to confirm that … former Secretary Clinton has provided the Department with all federal records in her possession, regardless of their format or the domain on which they were stored or created,” Kennedy wrote to Clinton attorney David Kendall on Friday. “To the extent her emails might be found on any internet service and email providers, we encourage you to contact them.”

s/, the State Department. That is not a good development for Hillary.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

More and more it's looking like Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump is a real possibility. If that is the case, some of you guys are going to have to reconsider...

your bait. It is stinky.

I'm dead serious. I don't know if you saw the polls today but Trump is actually increasing the level of his support. He may actually be the guy. And the odds are still very heavy that Hillary will be the Dem nominee. You're going to have to decide...

The other day I helped an elderly relative fill in an absentee ballot for city and state elections. I helped her vote against Vitter, then I proceeded to help her fill in the circle for a guy with no party who shows up to Council meetings and asks impertinent questions about finances.

If it comes to this, I will find a choice.

 

[squistion]

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 ·

Bernie Sanders is finally on our endorsement scoreboard! http://53eig.ht/1LfxAdm

The Endorsement Primary

By Aaron Bycoffe

In presidential primaries, endorsements have been among the best predictors of which candidates will succeed and which will fail. So were keeping track.

Hillary Clinton....354

Joe Biden............16

Martin O'Malley.....1

Bernie Sanders......1

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

More and more it's looking like Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump is a real possibility. If that is the case, some of you guys are going to have to reconsider...

your bait. It is stinky.

I'm dead serious. I don't know if you saw the polls today but Trump is actually increasing the level of his support. He may actually be the guy. And the odds are still very heavy that Hillary will be the Dem nominee. You're going to have to decide...

I won't vote.

But Trump will not be the nominee. When the consolidation occurs it will be a giant game of musical chairs - and Trump won't be sitting anywhere when its done.

That is an awesome gif, I think it might look something like this, a nice game of cards.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 ·

Bernie Sanders is finally on our endorsement scoreboard! http://53eig.ht/1LfxAdm

The Endorsement Primary

By Aaron Bycoffe

In presidential primaries, endorsements have been among the best predictors of which candidates will succeed and which will fail. So were keeping track.

Hillary Clinton....354

Joe Biden............16

Martin O'Malley.....1

Bernie Sanders......1

I have to say, I don't know that people want someone backed by the usual suspects this go-round.

Interesting that Sanders just got his first endorsement and it's from an Hispanic Rep in AZ:

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/07/bernie-sanders-gets-first-congressional-endorsement-from-ral-grijalva/?_r=0

I'll also point out that out of 354 endorsements for Hillary almost all got on early, and only 16 of that total have come since the Feds seized her email server in late July. The biggest name in there recently is Hickenlooper (CO) and it was a pretty weird endorsement:

Unlike most Republican candidates, Hickenlooper said he believes Clinton has the necessary background needed to run the country. “But,” he added quickly, “I don’t know where this whole thing is going to go in terms of her … (e-mail) server and whether there is something in there that is really going to turn out to have broken the law — which I think would be the death knell.

 

[squistion]

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/6/9464357/joe-biden-authentic

Imagine how the press would react if Hillary Clinton did what Joe Biden just did

Updated by Andrew Prokop on October 6, 2015, 1:40 p.m. ET

Since Joe Biden has been weighing a run for president, members of the press have repeatedly praised him for his "authenticity." This has largely been in contrast to Hillary Clinton, who is frequently pilloried by the media as secretive and calculating, and has its members yearning for a more natural candidate. "With Joe Biden, what you see is what you get," Mike Barnicle wrote for the Daily Beast.

Even the anecdotes about Biden's political calculations have portrayed him as a conflicted, grieving father. On August 1, New York Times op-ed columnist Maureen Dowd narrated a heart-wrenching private moment that occurred among the Biden family. Dowd wrote that the vice president's dying son Beau, his face "partially paralyzed," sat down with his "anguished" father and urged him to run for president "arguing that the White House should not revert to the Clintons and that the country would be better off with Biden values."

Dowd's column was extremely vague about how she got this information, but it kick-started the buzz that Biden might really be serious about a 2016 campaign, which is still going strong this week.

Now it turns out that her source according to a report by Politico's Edward-Isaac Dovere today was Joe Biden himself.

The story Biden told Dowd is indeed touching. But his apparent decision to anonymously leak it fits oddly with the media's narrative of his authenticity indeed, it's the kind of thing a calculating, secretive politician might do. As Dovere writes, it was basically "an ad in The New York Times," effectively asking potential donors and backers for their support and it achieved its purpose.

And notably, Biden was speaking to a columnist whose longtime loathing for Hillary Clinton has been so undisguised that she was once chastised for it by the Times's public editor. (In the same column with Biden's leak, Dowd trashed Clinton for her "entitlement," "history of subterfuge," "queenly attitude," and "pattern of cutting corners.")

The point of this is not to beat up on Biden. Leaks to the press to humanize yourself, or to attack your enemies are part of how every politician plays the game.

But the revelation is a reminder that we should be highly skeptical of the way "authenticity" is commonly treated by the political media. Because if it got out that a politician deemed to be less of a straight talker like Hillary Clinton did something like what Biden just did, she'd be ripped to shreds.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/6/9464357/joe-biden-authentic

Imagine how the press would react if Hillary Clinton did what Joe Biden just did

Updated by Andrew Prokop on October 6, 2015, 1:40 p.m. ET

Since Joe Biden has been weighing a run for president, members of the press have repeatedly praised him for his "authenticity." This has largely been in contrast to Hillary Clinton, who is frequently pilloried by the media as secretive and calculating, and has its members yearning for a more natural candidate. "With Joe Biden, what you see is what you get," Mike Barnicle wrote for the Daily Beast.

Even the anecdotes about Biden's political calculations have portrayed him as a conflicted, grieving father. On August 1, New York Times op-ed columnist Maureen Dowd narrated a heart-wrenching private moment that occurred among the Biden family. Dowd wrote that the vice president's dying son Beau, his face "partially paralyzed," sat down with his "anguished" father and urged him to run for president "arguing that the White House should not revert to the Clintons and that the country would be better off with Biden values."

Dowd's column was extremely vague about how she got this information, but it kick-started the buzz that Biden might really be serious about a 2016 campaign, which is still going strong this week.

Now it turns out that her source according to a report by Politico's Edward-Isaac Dovere today was Joe Biden himself.

...

First of all Weekly Standard called this in August.

Secondly who do you think ratted out Ol' Uncle Joe? Do you think it was leaks from his own campaign?

Or do you think it was Hillary's campaign which now realizes this is their last best attempt to keep him out or make him pay for getting in?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Squis - not sure why you are knocking Biden - would you not vote for him in the general election?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/6/9464357/joe-biden-authentic

Imagine how the press would react if Hillary Clinton did what Joe Biden just did

Updated by Andrew Prokop on October 6, 2015, 1:40 p.m. ET

Since Joe Biden has been weighing a run for president, members of the press have repeatedly praised him for his "authenticity." This has largely been in contrast to Hillary Clinton, who is frequently pilloried by the media as secretive and calculating, and has its members yearning for a more natural candidate. "With Joe Biden, what you see is what you get," Mike Barnicle wrote for the Daily Beast.

...

You also forgot the ending:

But the vice president has been in Washington for 42 years and knows perfectly well that his "unvarnished" persona is one of his best political assets. So the idea that Hillary Clinton is calculating and Joe Biden isn't should be put to bed. He knows perfectly well what he's doing.

And what is he doing, Squizz?

He's running for president, isn't he?

 

[dhockster]

More and more it's looking like Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump is a real possibility. If that is the case, some of you guys are going to have to reconsider...

your bait. It is stinky.

I'm dead serious. I don't know if you saw the polls today but Trump is actually increasing the level of his support. He may actually be the guy. And the odds are still very heavy that Hillary will be the Dem nominee. You're going to have to decide...

As will you. We will be screwed either way

 

[squistion]

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/6/9464357/joe-biden-authentic

Imagine how the press would react if Hillary Clinton did what Joe Biden just did

Updated by Andrew Prokop on October 6, 2015, 1:40 p.m. ET

Since Joe Biden has been weighing a run for president, members of the press have repeatedly praised him for his "authenticity." This has largely been in contrast to Hillary Clinton, who is frequently pilloried by the media as secretive and calculating, and has its members yearning for a more natural candidate. "With Joe Biden, what you see is what you get," Mike Barnicle wrote for the Daily Beast.

Even the anecdotes about Biden's political calculations have portrayed him as a conflicted, grieving father. On August 1, New York Times op-ed columnist Maureen Dowd narrated a heart-wrenching private moment that occurred among the Biden family. Dowd wrote that the vice president's dying son Beau, his face "partially paralyzed," sat down with his "anguished" father and urged him to run for president "arguing that the White House should not revert to the Clintons and that the country would be better off with Biden values."

Dowd's column was extremely vague about how she got this information, but it kick-started the buzz that Biden might really be serious about a 2016 campaign, which is still going strong this week.

Now it turns out that her source according to a report by Politico's Edward-Isaac Dovere today was Joe Biden himself.

...

First of all Weekly Standard called this in August.

Secondly who do you think ratted out Ol' Uncle Joe? Do you think it was leaks from his own campaign?

Or do you think it was Hillary's campaign which now realizes this is their last best attempt to keep him out or make him pay for getting in?

Joe doesn't have a campaign, but it seems logical that the people who are close to him leaked this. As usual you speculate that Hillary's campaign is responsible without a shred of proof (and how would they know he is the source? Doubt they have an in with Maureen Dowd, who hates Hillary).

The truth is, Joe does it and you just - but if Hillary did it, you would use as conclusive proof of her cold, calculating, secretive manner and talk about it for weeks.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Another way to look at what Joe likely did (yes) is that let's face it, how exactly does he get into the race for president?

Now, a couple months ago Hillary's supporters were all like 'awwweee, poor Joe, he's just doing this out of concern and love for his son's dying wishes, but he's not serious, he's not running, he's too grief stricken and his wife can't handle it.'

Not really the story line anymore, is it? Now he's a political manipulator of the first order, a conniver with no integrity. Because you know that's what he has over Hillary, integrity and likeability.

If Joe did what he did it was because it allowed him to say he had (has) a cause for entering the race, that was over and above sheer political interests. It's also possible or even likely that his son really did want him to run, I find that totally believable. But it also allows him to say that he's not entering because of some perceived weakness in Hillary or her ahem 'problems" with her server issues.

eta - Personally I think the preferred version for Hillary supporters was the original one, where Joe feels compelled to run because of his son's wishes and that there are no real inherent flaws in Hillary that he is either trying to take advantage of or that he is trying to save the party and the administration from.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/6/9464357/joe-biden-authentic

Imagine how the press would react if Hillary Clinton did what Joe Biden just did

Updated by Andrew Prokop on October 6, 2015, 1:40 p.m. ET

Since Joe Biden has been weighing a run for president, members of the press have repeatedly praised him for his "authenticity." This has largely been in contrast to Hillary Clinton, who is frequently pilloried by the media as secretive and calculating, and has its members yearning for a more natural candidate. "With Joe Biden, what you see is what you get," Mike Barnicle wrote for the Daily Beast.

Even the anecdotes about Biden's political calculations have portrayed him as a conflicted, grieving father. On August 1, New York Times op-ed columnist Maureen Dowd narrated a heart-wrenching private moment that occurred among the Biden family. Dowd wrote that the vice president's dying son Beau, his face "partially paralyzed," sat down with his "anguished" father and urged him to run for president "arguing that the White House should not revert to the Clintons and that the country would be better off with Biden values."

Dowd's column was extremely vague about how she got this information, but it kick-started the buzz that Biden might really be serious about a 2016 campaign, which is still going strong this week.

Now it turns out that her source according to a report by Politico's Edward-Isaac Dovere today was Joe Biden himself.

...

First of all Weekly Standard called this in August.

Secondly who do you think ratted out Ol' Uncle Joe? Do you think it was leaks from his own campaign?

Or do you think it was Hillary's campaign which now realizes this is their last best attempt to keep him out or make him pay for getting in?

Joe doesn't have a campaign, but it seems logical that the people who are close to him leaked this. As usual you speculate that Hillary's campaign is responsible without a shred of proof (and how would they know he is the source? Doubt they have an in with Maureen Dowd, who hates Hillary).

The truth is, Joe does it and you just - but if Hillary did it, you would use as conclusive proof of her cold, calculating, secretive manner and talk about it for weeks.

This is the Weekly Standard in August:

So Joe Biden may have authorized a friend to speak to Maureen Dowd. Or Joe Biden may have spoken to her himself. Or perhaps Jill or Hunter Biden spoke with her. Who knows the details and circumstances? One can easily imagine, for example, one of the Bidens telling a sympathetic Dowd the story, off-the-record, of their beloved son and brother's last wishes—and then, a few weeks later perhaps, yielding to Dowd's request that she be able to report at least some of what she was told in print.

This is the Politico report now:

According to multiple sources, it was Biden himself who talked to her...

- Maybe it does come from Biden or his people, or maybe it comes from someone with Hillary, or maybe it's an open secret in DC.

But either way let's face it if this is true Biden wouldn't have done it if he wasn't running.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Also btw the Dowd column was August 1st. The NYTimes reported that Hillary was being investigated by the FBI on July 23rd, roughly one week earlier.

 

[squistion]

Another way to look at what Joe likely did (yes) is that let's face it, how exactly does he get into the race for president?

Now, a couple months ago Hillary's supporters were all like 'awwweee, poor Joe, he's just doing this out of concern and love for his son's dying wishes, but he's not serious, he's not running, he's too grief stricken and his wife can't handle it.'

Not really the story line anymore, is it? Now he's a political manipulator of the first order, a conniver with no integrity. Because you know that's what he has over Hillary, integrity and likeability.

If Joe did what he did it was because it allowed him to say he had (has) a cause for entering the race, that was over and above sheer political interests. It's also possible or even likely that his son really did want him to run, I find that totally believable. But it also allows him to say that he's not entering because of some perceived weakness in Hillary or her ahem 'problems" with her server issues.

Hillary may have overplayed her hand here.

She didn't play a hand at all. But hey, don't let the lack of any facts interfere with you nonstop sinister speculation about everything/anything that Hillary might have had a hand in.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Another way to look at what Joe likely did (yes) is that let's face it, how exactly does he get into the race for president?

Now, a couple months ago Hillary's supporters were all like 'awwweee, poor Joe, he's just doing this out of concern and love for his son's dying wishes, but he's not serious, he's not running, he's too grief stricken and his wife can't handle it.'

Not really the story line anymore, is it? Now he's a political manipulator of the first order, a conniver with no integrity. Because you know that's what he has over Hillary, integrity and likeability.

If Joe did what he did it was because it allowed him to say he had (has) a cause for entering the race, that was over and above sheer political interests. It's also possible or even likely that his son really did want him to run, I find that totally believable. But it also allows him to say that he's not entering because of some perceived weakness in Hillary or her ahem 'problems" with her server issues.

Hillary may have overplayed her hand here.

She didn't play a hand at all. But hey, don't let the lack of any facts interfere with you nonstop sinister speculation about everything/anything that Hillary might have had a hand in.

I pulled that back (before you posted), I agree. I added this, let's leave Hillary out of it, it didn't have to come from her, I agree.

>- Personally I think the preferred version for Hillary supporters was the original one, where Joe feels compelled to run because of his son's wishes and that there are no real inherent flaws in Hillary that he is either trying to take advantage of or that he is trying to save the party and the administration from.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Squis - not sure why you are knocking Biden - would you not vote for him in the general election?

I'd like to hear Squis's take.

Personally I think Republicans had better be careful what they wish for (note, tho many are indeed thinking Hillary is their preferred candidate IMO). Although people have gotten pretty wild for anti-establishment figures, I also think people might just get a little scared at the last second and desire something more stable. No, I don't consider Hillary "stable". Joe appeals to a guy like me. Joe would crush a Trump I believe, he's not named Bush/Clinton, he has his own eccentric edge (without going hog wild), and he has experience on a whippersnapper like Rubio. Lots of good here for Democrats and the country IMO.

 

[squistion]

Squis - not sure why you are knocking Biden - would you not vote for him in the general election?

I'd like to hear Squis's take.

Personally I think Republicans had better be careful what they wish for (note, tho many are indeed thinking Hillary is their preferred candidate IMO). Although people have gotten pretty wild for anti-establishment figures, I also think people might just get a little scared at the last second and desire something more stable. No, I don't consider Hillary "stable". Joe appeals to a guy like me. Joe would crush a Trump I believe, he's not named Bush/Clinton, he has his own eccentric edge (without going hog wild), and he has experience on a whippersnapper like Rubio. Lots of good here for Democrats and the country IMO.

Did either of you actually read the article? It had to do with the meme that Joe is viewed as an "authentic" candidate, while Hillary is portrayed by the media as secretive and calculating. And if Hillary had done this, there would outrage among the Hillary haters that would go on for weeks. The article was pointing the hypocrisy of the supposed "liberal" media in how Hillary is treated versus how Joe is.

Of course I would vote for Joe if he were the candidate, but I don't think he can win. If he enters the race, his age, constant gaffes, his running for what would essentially be an Obama third term, would probably work against him. Plus, like Hillary, his favorability numbers would plummet once he is subjected to the usual scrutiny of a presidential candidate. He is more electable than Bernie, but his nomination would probably result in a Republican in the White House.

 

[The Commish]

More and more it's looking like Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump is a real possibility. If that is the case, some of you guys are going to have to reconsider...

boogeyman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everybody run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[The Commish]

More and more it's looking like Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump is a real possibility. If that is the case, some of you guys are going to have to reconsider...

your bait. It is stinky.

I'm dead serious. I don't know if you saw the polls today but Trump is actually increasing the level of his support. He may actually be the guy. And the odds are still very heavy that Hillary will be the Dem nominee. You're going to have to decide...

I can write in whomever I want, just like anyone else in this country. Gary Johnson would get my vote in this fear filled scenario of yours and I'd sleep just fine that night.

 

[The Commish]

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 ·

Bernie Sanders is finally on our endorsement scoreboard! http://53eig.ht/1LfxAdm

The Endorsement Primary

By Aaron Bycoffe

In presidential primaries, endorsements have been among the best predictors of which candidates will succeed and which will fail. So were keeping track.

Hillary Clinton....354

Joe Biden............16

Martin O'Malley.....1

Bernie Sanders......1

If this isn't a spotlight shining directly on the "beholden to the establishment" narrative, I don't know what is.

 

[elbowrm]

I know people are evenly divided on Citizens United.

Source?

 

[jon_mx]

More and more it's looking like Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump is a real possibility. If that is the case, some of you guys are going to have to reconsider...

your bait. It is stinky.

I'm dead serious. I don't know if you saw the polls today but Trump is actually increasing the level of his support. He may actually be the guy. And the odds are still very heavy that Hillary will be the Dem nominee. You're going to have to decide...

For Hillary, it looks like less and less she will be the nominee. Joe and Bernie are serious contenders and the e-mail story is going to hound Hillary for months. There are still about five on the GOP side who have a real chance. Trump is holding on longer than people expected, but still a long way to go. I would bet against a Trump-Hillay match-up.

 

[RCon]

More and more it's looking like Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump is a real possibility. If that is the case, some of you guys are going to have to reconsider...

Stop with the Trump stuff. It's October!

Regardless, I doubt that either Clinton or Trump could convince me to reconsider my intention to vote third-party.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Obama calls Doctors Without Borders head to apologize for airstrike

Can you imagine Hillary ever apologizing in this situation?

 

[squistion]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-tpp_56157832e4b0fad1591a9289?6csug14i

Hillary Clinton Comes Out Against TPP

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton came out against the Trans-Pacific Partnership Wednesday, breaking with President Barack Obama on the 12-nation trade deal that is set to become a key part of his legacy.

"As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it," Clinton told Judy Woodruff of "PBS Newshour."

"I have said from the very beginning that we had to have a trade agreement that would create good American jobs, raise wages and advance our national security. And I still believe that's the high bar we have to meet," she said. "I have been trying to learn as much as I can about the agreement. But I'm worried. I'm worried about currency manipulation not being part of the agreement. We've lost American jobs to the manipulations that countries, particularly in Asia, have engaged in. I'm worried the pharmaceutical companies may have gotten more benefits -- and patients and consumers fewer. I think there are still a lot of unanswered questions."

Progressives have been pushing Clinton for months to take a position on TPP, since Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (D), two of her rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination, came out against it long ago.

O'Malley criticized Clinton for her foot-dragging shortly after the news broke while speaking with reporters at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute conference.

"I was against the Trans-Pacific Partnership months and months ago," he said. "I believe we need to stop stumbling backwards into bad trade deals."

Sanders, speaking at the same conference, said he "will let the media speculate on" whether Clinton would have taken this stance if he weren't in the race.

"All I can tell you, whether it is the Keystone Pipeline, whether it is TPP, these are issues that I have had a very strong opinion on from day one," he said. "And I can simply say I am delighted that Secretary Clinton is on board ... to be very frank with you, it would have been more helpful to have her on board a few months ago."

Clinton has said she was waiting to see the final deal before making a decision. In her most recent book, Hard Choices, she spoke out against a key provision of the deal known as "Investor-State Dispute Settlement." That program allows corporations to challenge domestic laws and regulations before an international tribunal.

"[W]e've learned a lot about trade agreements in the past years. Sometimes they look great on paper," she said Wednesday. "I know when President Obama came into office, he inherited a trade agreement with South Korea. I, along with other members of the Cabinet, pushed hard to get a better agreement. We think we made improvements. Now, looking back on it, it doesn't have the results we thought it would have, in terms of access to the markets, more exports, etc."

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I know people are evenly divided on Citizens United.

Source?

My imagination?

My point was that as important as tracking donors is considering what politicians discuss with donors and contractors or people with business before them as public or transparent or available to FOIA requests, instead of as "private" correspondence, would go a lot further to promoting good government. Many individuals and corporations use shell companies and proxy donors to get around the regulations anyway.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-tpp_56157832e4b0fad1591a9289?6csug14i

Hillary Clinton Comes Out Against TPP

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton came out against the Trans-Pacific Partnership Wednesday, breaking with President Barack Obama on the 12-nation trade deal that is set to become a key part of his legacy.

"As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it," Clinton told Judy Woodruff of "PBS Newshour."

...

She is a beaut.

Didn't she write about her involvement in the TPP in Hard Choices? She used to tout it as part of her resume. Incredible.

 

[Sinn Fein]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-tpp_56157832e4b0fad1591a9289?6csug14i

Hillary Clinton Comes Out Against TPP

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton came out against the Trans-Pacific Partnership Wednesday, breaking with President Barack Obama on the 12-nation trade deal that is set to become a key part of his legacy.

"As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it," Clinton told Judy Woodruff of "PBS Newshour."

"I have said from the very beginning that we had to have a trade agreement that would create good American jobs, raise wages and advance our national security. And I still believe that's the high bar we have to meet," she said. "I have been trying to learn as much as I can about the agreement. But I'm worried. I'm worried about currency manipulation not being part of the agreement. We've lost American jobs to the manipulations that countries, particularly in Asia, have engaged in. I'm worried the pharmaceutical companies may have gotten more benefits -- and patients and consumers fewer. I think there are still a lot of unanswered questions."

Progressives have been pushing Clinton for months to take a position on TPP, since Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (D), two of her rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination, came out against it long ago.

O'Malley criticized Clinton for her foot-dragging shortly after the news broke while speaking with reporters at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute conference.

"I was against the Trans-Pacific Partnership months and months ago," he said. "I believe we need to stop stumbling backwards into bad trade deals."

Sanders, speaking at the same conference, said he "will let the media speculate on" whether Clinton would have taken this stance if he weren't in the race.

"All I can tell you, whether it is the Keystone Pipeline, whether it is TPP, these are issues that I have had a very strong opinion on from day one," he said. "And I can simply say I am delighted that Secretary Clinton is on board ... to be very frank with you, it would have been more helpful to have her on board a few months ago."

Clinton has said she was waiting to see the final deal before making a decision. In her most recent book, Hard Choices, she spoke out against a key provision of the deal known as "Investor-State Dispute Settlement." That program allows corporations to challenge domestic laws and regulations before an international tribunal.

"[W]e've learned a lot about trade agreements in the past years. Sometimes they look great on paper," she said Wednesday. "I know when President Obama came into office, he inherited a trade agreement with South Korea. I, along with other members of the Cabinet, pushed hard to get a better agreement. We think we made improvements. Now, looking back on it, it doesn't have the results we thought it would have, in terms of access to the markets, more exports, etc."

First I was for it, until the polls changed, and then I was against it.

Rinse. Repeat.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

First Joe Biden ad is out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e6mzH0Y4G8

Published on Oct 7, 2015
This is the first television ad released by the Draft Biden 2016 Super-PAC, asking Joe Biden to run for President in 2016. The ad highlights how Joe has overcome personal tragedies and his vision for the future in his own words: “We are on the cusp of some of the most astonishing breakthroughs in the history of mankind – scientific, technological, socially. It will be up to you in this changing world to translate those unprecedented capabilities into a greater measure of happiness and meaning, not just for yourself but for the world around you.”

 

[Buckfast 1]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-tpp_56157832e4b0fad1591a9289?6csug14i

Hillary Clinton Comes Out Against TPP

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton came out against the Trans-Pacific Partnership Wednesday, breaking with President Barack Obama on the 12-nation trade deal that is set to become a key part of his legacy.

"As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it," Clinton told Judy Woodruff of "PBS Newshour."

"I have said from the very beginning that we had to have a trade agreement that would create good American jobs, raise wages and advance our national security. And I still believe that's the high bar we have to meet," she said. "I have been trying to learn as much as I can about the agreement. But I'm worried. I'm worried about currency manipulation not being part of the agreement. We've lost American jobs to the manipulations that countries, particularly in Asia, have engaged in. I'm worried the pharmaceutical companies may have gotten more benefits -- and patients and consumers fewer. I think there are still a lot of unanswered questions."

Progressives have been pushing Clinton for months to take a position on TPP, since Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (D), two of her rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination, came out against it long ago.

O'Malley criticized Clinton for her foot-dragging shortly after the news broke while speaking with reporters at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute conference.

"I was against the Trans-Pacific Partnership months and months ago," he said. "I believe we need to stop stumbling backwards into bad trade deals."

Sanders, speaking at the same conference, said he "will let the media speculate on" whether Clinton would have taken this stance if he weren't in the race.

"All I can tell you, whether it is the Keystone Pipeline, whether it is TPP, these are issues that I have had a very strong opinion on from day one," he said. "And I can simply say I am delighted that Secretary Clinton is on board ... to be very frank with you, it would have been more helpful to have her on board a few months ago."

Clinton has said she was waiting to see the final deal before making a decision. In her most recent book, Hard Choices, she spoke out against a key provision of the deal known as "Investor-State Dispute Settlement." That program allows corporations to challenge domestic laws and regulations before an international tribunal.

"[W]e've learned a lot about trade agreements in the past years. Sometimes they look great on paper," she said Wednesday. "I know when President Obama came into office, he inherited a trade agreement with South Korea. I, along with other members of the Cabinet, pushed hard to get a better agreement. We think we made improvements. Now, looking back on it, it doesn't have the results we thought it would have, in terms of access to the markets, more exports, etc."

This likely symbolizes nothing more than a sellout to the big labor unions which generally oppose the TPP. Hillary needs the big labor vote.

 

[jon_mx]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-tpp_56157832e4b0fad1591a9289?6csug14i

This likely symbolizes nothing more than a sellout to the big labor unions which generally oppose the TPP. Hillary needs the big labor vote.

Plus it is safe to come out against and pretent not to be a whore for corporations since this will be a done deal. This is her move to prove she is for the people.

 

[Sinn Fein]

WASHINGTON — The senior policy aide to Bernie Sanders said he was grateful Hillary Clinton had joined Sanders’ long-held opposition to President Obama’s trade agenda when she came out against the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement Wednesday, but hinted that the former secretary of state may have waited too long for her public opposition to make much of a difference.

“I wish all the candidates were as forceful as Sen. Sanders was in opposition to TPP when it mattered,” Warren Gunnels, Sanders’ senior policy adviser, said

minutes after Clinton announced her opposition to the TPP. “The fact of the matter is, during the debate over fast track, that fast track bill needed 60 votes to pass and if all the candidates were as clear as Sen. Sanders in opposition to fast track we wouldn’t be having this debate right now. The debate would be over, fast track would not pass the Senate and wouldn’t have passed the House. So that is an unfortunate reality we are having to deal with today.”

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

David Axelrod ‏@davidaxelrod 6h6 hours ago

HRC's dilemma: Having touted TPP as SOS, to oppose it would mean new questions on trust. Yet embracing it would rile base. #hardchoices

 

[squistion]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-tpp_56157832e4b0fad1591a9289?6csug14i

Hillary Clinton Comes Out Against TPP

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton came out against the Trans-Pacific Partnership Wednesday, breaking with President Barack Obama on the 12-nation trade deal that is set to become a key part of his legacy.

"As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it," Clinton told Judy Woodruff of "PBS Newshour."

...

She is a beaut.

Didn't she write about her involvement in the TPP in Hard Choices? She used to tout it as part of her resume. Incredible.

Doesn't sound like she was touting it, from the above: "her most recent book, Hard Choices, she spoke out against a key provision of the deal known as "Investor-State Dispute Settlement."

 

[cstu]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-tpp_56157832e4b0fad1591a9289?6csug14i

This likely symbolizes nothing more than a sellout to the big labor unions which generally oppose the TPP. Hillary needs the big labor vote.

Plus it is safe to come out against and pretent not to be a whore for corporations since this will be a done deal. This is her move to prove she is for the people.

She was for TPP before she was against it.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

BFS, Squizz - I asked Tim this so I will ask you: will it be Hillary's policy as president that those working under her will be able to take unmarked documents home which would potentially be marked classified based on subject matter if they were forwarded to the intelligence community for marking?

I'm sure Hillary will allow government employees to have access to their e-mail remotely.

I'm sure Hillary will not allow any of your non sequitur hypotheticals.

You mean on government issued devices right?

I doubt it! E-mail is not used for classified or even sensitive documents so why would such a need exist? Sure, as Hillary's e-mails show some cross contamination and interagencies disagreements is to be expected but based on this story I don't believe that Hillary will see the threat of such breaches outweigh the benefit of government employees remaining in contact on the run or even from the home. I also doubt that the government IT budgets could support devices for all relevant government employees (both the cost of the devices and supporting them). If I am wrong about the willingness to provide/support the devices then I would ;ikely change this opinion, but otherwise as a practical matter no way.

She will however ban using non government e-mail accounts as well as auto forwarding of e-mails to private accounts. Again as a practical matter from going through this ordeal. Also, because there is no telling where Google, Microsoft, etc. servers actually reside. If she has that IT budget that I doubt she'ld ever have, I could see prohibiting e-mailing out to any address that wasn't in a global .gov (or agency) address book but this would require an unimaginably responsive team to be feasible.

I believe that no matter who is elected this will be true. I'd also expect that implementing some form of archiving solution such that if it hits a .gov address it will be easily retrievable for such request from congress, the judiciary, or freedom of information requests without all of this effort.

 

[squistion]

This likely symbolizes nothing more than a sellout to the big labor unions which generally oppose the TPP. Hillary needs the big labor vote.

And if she was in favor of TPP, the talking point would be "This likely symbolizes nothing more than a sellout to corporate interests." Hillary can't win with her detractors no matter what position she takes.

 

[Sinn Fein]

This likely symbolizes nothing more than a sellout to the big labor unions which generally oppose the TPP. Hillary needs the big labor vote.

And if she was in favor of TPP, the talking point would be "This likely symbolizes nothing more than a sellout to corporate interests." Hillary can't win with her detractors no matter what position she takes.

It would probably help her cause if she did not take conflicting positions on the same issue...

 

[squistion]

This likely symbolizes nothing more than a sellout to the big labor unions which generally oppose the TPP. Hillary needs the big labor vote.

And if she was in favor of TPP, the talking point would be "This likely symbolizes nothing more than a sellout to corporate interests." Hillary can't win with her detractors no matter what position she takes.

It would probably help her cause if she did not take conflicting positions on the same issue...

She had supported it previously as a candidate?