Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (7 Viewers)

[squistion]

Hillary opens up a double digit lead in Iowa.

Per Quinnipiac,

Hillary Clinton 51%

Bernie Sanders 40%

In this poll Hillary's support from Women is 59% to 33%.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-2016-iowa-polls-215085

 

[Jackstraw]

One of the things that they also hurt themselves on was the issue of Hillary's age and/or a woman. She demonstrated stamina that most younger people couldn't. Any thoughts that she's frail or a wilting butterfly go straight out the window. Anybody who doesn't think she is one tough ##### has another thing coming.

 

[RBM]

Any explanation from her on why they lied about the video?

They didn't.

The biggest thing that came out of this was the YouTube video causing a "spontaneous attack" was a complete fabrication. Her emails from that time period showed she didn't even believe it. But most of us knew we were being lied to at the time anyway.

The whole thing is partisan garbage.

Like all your posts.

It was a deliberate lie. End of story.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Any explanation from her on why they lied about the video?

They didn't.

The biggest thing that came out of this was the YouTube video causing a "spontaneous attack" was a complete fabrication. Her emails from that time period showed she didn't even believe it. But most of us knew we were being lied to at the time anyway.

The whole thing is partisan garbage.

Like all your posts.

It was a deliberate lie. End of story.

Oh, no. End of story, you say? I didn't realize that. I stand corrected!

In retrospect I guess it should have been obvious to me that as a left-leaning partisan I was blind to the vast multi-agency leakproof conspiracy involving hundreds of people, including many career diplomats and analysts, launched in a matter of hours for dubious political gain. My bad, everyone. RBM says end of story!

 

[pantagrapher]

Could the GOP be more hoisted by their own petard here? The slow-motion demise of their Benghazi clown show has basically cemented Hillary's candidacy—the one person they'd set out to destroy.

 

[Apple Jack]

End of story.

If only. The GOP will continue to find ways to waste taxpayer money on this pathetic partisan #### show.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

It's hard to recall a better two week stretch for a candidate than Hillary's.

--McCarthy reveals House Benghazi Committee for what non-partisans knew it was all along.

--Dominant at Democratic debate.

--Not bad on SNL.

--Biden decides not to run.

--Polls move her way.

--Kills it on a free 11 hour campaign commercial carried live on multiple networks. And instead of being wearing her down, her Inquisitors lost the plot in prime time.

I can't really think of anything similar.

ETA, betting markets at Oddschecker now have 1/1 as the longest odds you can get for her winning it all. IIRC you could get 5/4 last week. So a 5-6% move. That's a lot considering no votes have been cast.

You forgot the biggest news, Lincoln Chafee announced earlier today he is dropping out of the race.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

O'Malley now in prime position to sweep up the Webb and Chafee base.

 

[pantagrapher]

The Planned Parenthood committee will probably be the best thing ever to happen to that organization.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So I went to get my morning coffee at my local java joint and they have the copies of the NYT, you ought to see the picture of Hillary they have in a big square at the top of Page 1, beaming.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's hard to recall a better two week stretch for a candidate than Hillary's.

--McCarthy reveals House Benghazi Committee for what non-partisans knew it was all along.

--Dominant at Democratic debate.

--Not bad on SNL.

--Biden decides not to run.

--Polls move her way.

--Kills it on a free 11 hour campaign commercial carried live on multiple networks. And instead of being wearing her down, her Inquisitors lost the plot in prime time.

I can't really think of anything similar.

ETA, betting markets at Oddschecker now have 1/1 as the longest odds you can get for her winning it all. IIRC you could get 5/4 last week. So a 5-6% move. That's a lot considering no votes have been cast.

Good list but I think the most important one there is Biden.

 

[RBM]

Any explanation from her on why they lied about the video?

They didn't.

The biggest thing that came out of this was the YouTube video causing a "spontaneous attack" was a complete fabrication. Her emails from that time period showed she didn't even believe it. But most of us knew we were being lied to at the time anyway.

The whole thing is partisan garbage.

Like all your posts.

It was a deliberate lie. End of story.

Oh, no. End of story, you say? I didn't realize that. I stand corrected!

In retrospect I guess it should have been obvious to me that as a left-leaning partisan I was blind to the vast multi-agency leakproof conspiracy involving hundreds of people, including many career diplomats and analysts, launched in a matter of hours for dubious political gain. My bad, everyone. RBM says end of story!

Or just keep making a fool of yourself and believing everything the dirtbags say.

 

[RBM]

End of story.

If only. The GOP will continue to find ways to waste taxpayer money on this pathetic partisan #### show.

You're right. They're no better.

 

[timschochet]

No, the most important was yesterday.

Hillary's last remaining threat to the nomination was that the Democratic base would abandon her for Bernie Sanders. That still could happen theoretically but there's nothing that unifies Democrats like the kind of show that happened yesterday. Add that to Hillary's demonstration of gravitas and competence, and it may have been her best day ever.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

No, the most important was yesterday.

Hillary's last remaining threat to the nomination was that the Democratic base would abandon her for Bernie Sanders. That still could happen theoretically but there's nothing that unifies Democrats like the kind of show that happened yesterday. Add that to Hillary's demonstration of gravitas and competence, and it may have been her best day ever.

Two things have really been possible to derail Hillary: Biden and the FBI/DOJ. That's it.

Sanders (sans Biden) has a puncher's chance, but I've said it and I think the polls are proving as admirable as his debate performance was he basically conceded when he didn't go after Hillary.

 

[jonessed]

No, the most important was yesterday.

Hillary's last remaining threat to the nomination was that the Democratic base would abandon her for Bernie Sanders. That still could happen theoretically but there's nothing that unifies Democrats like the kind of show that happened yesterday. Add that to Hillary's demonstration of gravitas and competence, and it may have been her best day ever.

Two things have really been possible to derail Hillary: Biden and the FBI/DOJ. That's it.

Sanders (sans Biden) has a puncher's chance, but I've said it and I think the polls are proving as admirable as his debate performance was he basically conceded when he didn't go after Hillary.

Sanders has no chance and never did. He was thrown in to give Hillary a liberal foil.

 

[squistion]

Talking Points Memo ‏@TPM

Noah to Benghazi panel: It's overkill "when you have more sequels than Fast and Furious'" http://bit.ly/1NXTrct

 

[Lupe]

So NOW the democrats are concerned about wasting taxpayer money???

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hillary Clinton Verified account ‏@HillaryClinton 7:36 AM - 22 Oct 2015

"We have learned the hard way when America is absent, especially from unstable places, there are consequences." —Hillary #BenghaziCommittee

That's on her feed, right now. Sure sounds to me like an enunciation of a policy of intervention to me. Same woman who said just a week ago that the Iranians are among her enemies.

I hope the liberals and progressives who stand against intervention as policy in and of and for itself who went to bed smiling that the GOP just elected Hillary Clinton woke up the next morning to the realization that the GOP just elected Hillary Clinton.

 

[pantagrapher]

So NOW the democrats are concerned about wasting taxpayer money???

Good one!

 

[pantagrapher]

Get it because democrats like to waste taxpayer money. But he flipped it the other way.

 

[timschochet]

No, the most important was yesterday.

Hillary's last remaining threat to the nomination was that the Democratic base would abandon her for Bernie Sanders. That still could happen theoretically but there's nothing that unifies Democrats like the kind of show that happened yesterday. Add that to Hillary's demonstration of gravitas and competence, and it may have been her best day ever.

Two things have really been possible to derail Hillary: Biden and the FBI/DOJ. That's it.

Sanders (sans Biden) has a puncher's chance, but I've said it and I think the polls are proving as admirable as his debate performance was he basically conceded when he didn't go after Hillary.

Sanders has no chance and never did. He was thrown in to give Hillary a liberal foil.

What do you mean, he was thrown in? Who threw him in?It's hard to keep track of all the conspiracy theories around here.

 

[squistion]

Hillary Clinton Verified account ‏@HillaryClinton 7:36 AM - 22 Oct 2015

"We have learned the hard way when America is absent, especially from unstable places, there are consequences." Hillary #BenghaziCommittee

That's on her feed, right now. Sure sounds to me like an enunciation of a policy of intervention to me. Same woman who said just a week ago that the Iranians are among her enemies.

I hope the liberals and progressives who stand against intervention as policy in and of and for itself who went to bed smiling that the GOP just elected Hillary Clinton woke up the next morning to the realization that the GOP just elected Hillary Clinton.

She didn't tweet that - from her opening statement yesterday and is misleading taken out of context. She was talking about sending diplomats "in dangerous places" not advocating a policy of intervention:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/statements/2015/10/22/hillary-clinton-opening-statement-to-house-select-committee-on-benghazi/

What happened in Benghazi has been scrutinized by a nonpartisan, hard-hitting Accountability Review Board, seven prior Congressional investigations, multiple news organizations, and, of course, our law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

So today I would like to share three observations about how we can learn from this tragedy and move forward as a nation.

First, America must lead in a dangerous world, and our diplomats must continue representing us in dangerous places.

The State Department sends people to more than 270 posts in 170 countries around the world.

Chris Stevens understood that diplomats must operate in many places where our soldiers do not, where there are no other boots on the ground, and safety is far from guaranteed. In fact, he volunteered for just those assignments.

He also understood we will never prevent every act of terrorism or achieve perfect security, and that we inevitably must accept a level of risk to protect our country and advance our interests and values.

And make no mistake: the risks are real. Terrorists have killed more than sixty-five American diplomatic personnel since the 1970s and more than a hundred contractors and locally employed staff.

Since 2001, there have been more than one hundred attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities around the world.

But if you ask our most experienced ambassadors, theyll tell you they cant do their jobs for us from bunkers.

It would compound the tragedy of Benghazi if Chris Stevens death and the death of the other three Americans ended up undermining the work to which he and they devoted their lives.

We have learned the hard way when America is absent, especially from unstable places, there are consequences. Extremism takes root, aggressors seek to fill the vacuum, and security everywhere is threatened, including here at home.

Thats why Chris was in Benghazi. Its why he had served previously in Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jerusalem during the second intifada.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Seems awful early to proclaim Hillary is going to win the Democratic primary. Her husband didn't wrap up the 1992 primary until he won the California primary in the middle of June, right? We all remember Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know, I just don't understand it.

 

[pantagrapher]

That escalated quickly.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Seems awful early to proclaim Hillary is going to win the Democratic primary. Her husband didn't wrap up the 1992 primary until he won the California primary in the middle of June, right? We all remember Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know, I just don't understand it.

I get the joke, but it's still too much IMO.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

That escalated quickly.

It's gonna be pretty boring around here for a while so might as well get with the program.

 

[Juxtatarot]

If that was a joke, I don't get it.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hillary Clinton Verified account ‏@HillaryClinton 7:36 AM - 22 Oct 2015

"We have learned the hard way when America is absent, especially from unstable places, there are consequences." Hillary #BenghaziCommittee

That's on her feed, right now. Sure sounds to me like an enunciation of a policy of intervention to me. Same woman who said just a week ago that the Iranians are among her enemies.

I hope the liberals and progressives who stand against intervention as policy in and of and for itself who went to bed smiling that the GOP just elected Hillary Clinton woke up the next morning to the realization that the GOP just elected Hillary Clinton.

She didn't tweet that - from her opening statement yesterday and is misleading taken out of context. She was talking about sending diplomats "in dangerous places" not advocating a policy of intervention:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/statements/2015/10/22/hillary-clinton-opening-statement-to-house-select-committee-on-benghazi/

What happened in Benghazi has been scrutinized by a nonpartisan, hard-hitting Accountability Review Board, seven prior Congressional investigations, multiple news organizations, and, of course, our law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

So today I would like to share three observations about how we can learn from this tragedy and move forward as a nation.

First, America must lead in a dangerous world, and our diplomats must continue representing us in dangerous places.

The State Department sends people to more than 270 posts in 170 countries around the world.

Chris Stevens understood that diplomats must operate in many places where our soldiers do not, where there are no other boots on the ground, and safety is far from guaranteed. In fact, he volunteered for just those assignments.

He also understood we will never prevent every act of terrorism or achieve perfect security, and that we inevitably must accept a level of risk to protect our country and advance our interests and values.

And make no mistake: the risks are real. Terrorists have killed more than sixty-five American diplomatic personnel since the 1970s and more than a hundred contractors and locally employed staff.

Since 2001, there have been more than one hundred attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities around the world.

But if you ask our most experienced ambassadors, theyll tell you they cant do their jobs for us from bunkers.

It would compound the tragedy of Benghazi if Chris Stevens death and the death of the other three Americans ended up undermining the work to which he and they devoted their lives.

We have learned the hard way when America is absent, especially from unstable places, there are consequences. Extremism takes root, aggressors seek to fill the vacuum, and security everywhere is threatened, including here at home.

Thats why Chris was in Benghazi. Its why he had served previously in Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jerusalem during the second intifada.

That doesn't change the subtext or the context that we are talking about a coauthor of regime change in Libya. We armed militia, we bombed Qaddafi, we ran arms.

If you're arguing we drop off diplomats in places where they are likely to get killed, do nothing to help them or protect them, and just wait for them to be killed, well then you're doing a better job than the GOP yesterday.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If that was a joke, I don't get it.

It was a Hillary quote about Barack Obama hopefully being assassinated back from 2008.

 

[timschochet]

If that was a joke, I don't get it.

Hillary Clinton in 2008, refusing to concede, made the same unfortunate comment about Robert Kennedy. It was inexcusable for her, her worst statement ever as a public figure. Pretty poor taste to use it here as well IMO, even in irony.

 

[squistion]

That escalated quickly.

It's gonna be pretty boring around here for a while so might as well get with the program.

I doubt it. In the coming weeks I am sure that you will continue to post daily poll updates that show Hillary's increasing popularity, just like you have done for last hundred pages when her numbers were steadily falling.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

That escalated quickly.

It's gonna be pretty boring around here for a while so might as well get with the program.

I doubt it. In the coming weeks I am sure that you will continue to post daily poll updates that show Hillary's increasing popularity, just like you have done for last hundred pages when her numbers were steadily falling.

I'll be glad to (though I think you have it covered), but let's face it Hillary slumping and being faced with unexpected developments and risking a loss of the unlosable is a lot more interesting the last few months than what we - you - expected all along, a steady Hillary waddle to victory. I don't think anyone expected the challenges she's faced, at least not these exact challenges, that has been interesting. But now if things go on like this I think we're back to the boring storyline we expected in February. Though the email story will continue, that has a few more months to drip out and while the DOJ will likely pass I'm going to guess we see some FBI/DOJ/IC leaks somewhere along the way.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If that was a joke, I don't get it.

Hillary Clinton in 2008, refusing to concede, made the same unfortunate comment about Robert Kennedy. It was inexcusable for her, her worst statement ever as a public figure. Pretty poor taste to use it here as well IMO, even in irony.

Yeah, you know what, that actually might have been her worst comment ever.

 

[squistion]

If that was a joke, I don't get it.

Hillary Clinton in 2008, refusing to concede, made the same unfortunate comment about Robert Kennedy. It was inexcusable for her, her worst statement ever as a public figure. Pretty poor taste to use it here as well IMO, even in irony.

She just misspoke, poor choice of words and she apologized for it, within a couple hours of making that statement:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24796393/ns/politics-decision_08/t/clinton-regrets-rfk-assassination-remark/#.VipoEP-FO74

Issuing an apology

Within a couple hours of the South Dakota remarks drawing attention, Clinton decided to make a personal apology.

"I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns of both my husband and Senator (Robert) Kennedy waged in California in June in 1992 and 1968 and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June. That's a historic fact," she said.

"The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy," she added, referring to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's recent diagnosis of a brain tumor. "I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever.

"My view is that we have to look to the past to our leaders who have inspired us, give us a lot to live up to, and I'm honored to hold Senator Kennedy's seat in the United States Senate from the state of New York and have the highest regard for the Kennedy family," she said.

Robert Kennedy Jr., son of the slain senator, said in a statement, "It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June."

"I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense," said Kennedy, a Clinton supporter unlike some other members of his family, including Sen. Edward Kennedy, who back Obama.

 

[timschochet]

It was inexcusable. Of course she had to apologize.

Whatever, it's one statement. I don't think she's a bad person now or then, and of course I want her to be the next President. But that statement was very bad, and can't and shouldn't be written off as somehow that she misspoke.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Hillary made almost the exact same quote in March of the same year to Time Magazine, three months prior to her remarks in South Dakota. No apology then, just when she repeated it again and was called on it.

 

[squistion]

That escalated quickly.

It's gonna be pretty boring around here for a while so might as well get with the program.

I doubt it. In the coming weeks I am sure that you will continue to post daily poll updates that show Hillary's increasing popularity, just like you have done for last hundred pages when her numbers were steadily falling.

I'll be glad to (though I think you have it covered)

Well played, sir.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

You forgot the biggest news, Lincoln Chafee announced earlier today he is dropping out of the race.

Lincoln Chafee was running for president?

 

[squistion]

It was inexcusable. Of course she had to apologize.

Whatever, it's one statement. I don't think she's a bad person now or then, and of course I want her to be the next President. But that statement was very bad, and can't and shouldn't be written off as somehow that she misspoke.

What she said was interpreted differently than the point she was trying to make. If anyone should have been offended by it, that would be RFK's son, but he understood what she was saying taken in context (his own words) and accepted the apology.

 

[ericttspikes]

Could the GOP be more hoisted by their own petard here? The slow-motion demise of their Benghazi clown show has basically cemented Hillary's candidacy—the one person they'd set out to destroy.

Government shutdowns, debt limit showdowns, using the Senate rules to "make sure Obama is a one-term President", using Benghazi to destroy Hillary's campaign.

Believing your own bull#### just never turns out well.

And yet they want to be in charge to "fix" everything? How anyone can trust them to run anything is crazy. They are monkey wrenchers with no desire to govern. Only an ideological belief to grind down the gears of government with incompetence and to use the resulting wreckage as proof that government is the problem. Bad government is the problem, and the Republican party continually proves that.

 

[jonessed]

No, the most important was yesterday.

Hillary's last remaining threat to the nomination was that the Democratic base would abandon her for Bernie Sanders. That still could happen theoretically but there's nothing that unifies Democrats like the kind of show that happened yesterday. Add that to Hillary's demonstration of gravitas and competence, and it may have been her best day ever.

Two things have really been possible to derail Hillary: Biden and the FBI/DOJ. That's it.

Sanders (sans Biden) has a puncher's chance, but I've said it and I think the polls are proving as admirable as his debate performance was he basically conceded when he didn't go after Hillary.

Sanders has no chance and never did. He was thrown in to give Hillary a liberal foil.

What do you mean, he was thrown in? Who threw him in?It's hard to keep track of all the conspiracy theories around here.

Conspiracy theory? You can't have one viable candidate running for President. They would get washed out of the news cycle debating themselves. There has to be at least one other to pull the more conservative or more liberal wings into the primaries.

The Republicans obviously didn't have that problem. The Democrats obviously did. I imagine they would have preferred Warren, but she decided not to run.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say if anyone should have been offended it would be the person Hillary infers might get assassinated.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Get it because democrats like to waste taxpayer money. But he flipped it the other way.

Best read in the voice of Fouad from Family Guy

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say if anyone should have been offended it would be the person Hillary infers might get assassinated.

except for mixing up "infers" and "implies." Shame on you for that.

 

[squistion]

Joan Walsh ‏@joanwalsh

Breaking: Bernie Sanders is asking for equal time before the Benghazi committee.

 

[timschochet]

How bad was it for Republicans yesterday? I just read that FOX NEWS cut away from the hearings later in the day.

Obnoxious. Rude. Embarrassing.

They were as bad as I've ever seen.

 

[urbanhack]

How bad was it for Republicans yesterday? I just read that FOX NEWS cut away from the hearings later in the day.

O'Reilly and Hannity needed their air time.

 

[MaxThreshold]

How bad was it for Republicans yesterday? I just read that FOX NEWS cut away from the hearings later in the day.

Obnoxious. Rude. Embarrassing.

They were as bad as I've ever seen.

All the Hillary zealots agree that Hillary is a saint and the GOP is a disaster. That's like a 180 degree change from your original position, right?

 

[The General]

You forgot the biggest news, Lincoln Chafee announced earlier today he is dropping out of the race.

Lincoln Chafee was running for president?

Probably should cut him slack it was his first time running for Prez.