Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (8 Viewers)

[Ookie Pringle]

Hillary's right about this, IMO. I don't think Bernie meant to be sexist. But there's a lot of sexism out there and Hillary is treated differently in language used by her opponents. It happens all the time.

Again making very broad generalizations.

 

[squistion]

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/10/27/in-a-surprise-sherrod-brown-endorses-hillary-clinton/

In a surprise, Sherrod Brown endorses Hillary Clinton

In a surprise move, Sen. Sherrod Brown endorsed Hillary Clinton's presidential bid on Tuesday.

Brown, a liberal Democrat, cited Clinton's recent decision to oppose the sweeping trade agreement negotiated by the U.S. and 11 other Pacific Rim countries. Brown is a leading critic of that deal, called the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

"From opposing unfair trade deals to fighting for a fair financial system, Hillary Clinton has shown she puts working families first," Brown said in a statement on Tuesday. "I know as president that her first job will be creating jobs for the middle class. I am proud to endorse her today because I know she will keep Ohio moving forward.​"

Brown's move signals that Clinton is solidifying support from the left wing of the party, even as she continues to face an insurgent challenge from Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont who has fired up progressives across the country.

Brown has aligned with Sanders on many issues - trade in particular - so the Ohio Democrats decision to back Clinton is significant.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I’ve been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. Well, I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman speaks out some people think it’s shouting.

That's your BOMBSHELL SEXISM CHARGE.

Sanders says something that is not sexist; Hilary responds with something that doesn't really amount to a charge of sexism. This is what amounts to conflict in the Dem primary race. Bo-ring. We need more loudmouth buffoons with horrifying ideas who have no idea what they're talking about.

 

[timschochet]

What's going on is the media is eager to create this huge feud between Hillary and Bernie.

They take little jabs at each other, but I don't ever expect it will get truly ugly. The vast majority of the supporters for either candidate would quite happily vote for the other one. The Democrats are all one big happy family this time around.

 

[jamny]

Hillary's right about this, IMO. I don't think Bernie meant to be sexist. But there's a lot of sexism out there and Hillary is treated differently in language used by her opponents. It happens all the time.

Again making very broad generalizations.

 

[Sinn Fein]

What's going on is the media is eager to create this huge feud between Hillary and Bernie.

They take little jabs at each other, but I don't ever expect it will get truly ugly. The vast majority of the supporters for either candidate would quite happily vote for the other one. The Democrats are all one big happy family this time around.

The Clinton's wish this were true.

Many Bernie supporters will vote for Clinton, but a significant minority will not vote for her under any circumstance, and a separate, but significant, minority will simply not participate in the election process if Sanders is not the candidate - their enthusiasm is for Sanders, not the democratic party.

So, if Clinton continues to attack Bernie - she runs the risk of those minority segments getting larger - and that will cost her the general election, where she already struggles against the GOP candidates.

It is a tough spot for her to be in - because if she loses Iowa and New Hampshire, like I think she will, she will lose the nomination. If Sanders wins both, it will be a result of an energized and motivated base getting out the vote - and that momentum will simply snowball from there. New Hampshire is a losing proposition for her - due to Sanders neighboring state status - so this all comes down to Iowa - and Clinton will not go down without a fight. And, if she continues to sling mud, she risks winning the battle, but losing the war.

 

[timschochet]

It could happen that way, Sinn Fein. While we disagree both on who we think will likely win and who we WANT to win, I think we can agree on one point: at this time, the outcome is NOT inevitable. All of the pundits on TV saying that the race is over and that Hillary has already won- they're wrong. This is going to be a struggle.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Monmouth just released a poll showing Hillary up 41 points on Bernie in Iowa

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/monmouth-poll-iowa-democrats-2016-215178

 

[timschochet]

Monmouth just released a poll showing Hillary up 41 points on Bernie in Iowa

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/monmouth-poll-iowa-democrats-2016-215178

Thats crazy. I expect her to win but that's just nuts.

 

[timschochet]

Monmouth just released a poll showing Hillary up 41 points on Bernie in Iowa

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/monmouth-poll-iowa-democrats-2016-215178

Thats crazy. I expect her to win but that's just nuts.

 

[Sinn Fein]

It could happen that way, Sinn Fein. While we disagree both on who we think will likely win and who we WANT to win, I think we can agree on one point: at this time, the outcome is NOT inevitable. All of the pundits on TV saying that the race is over and that Hillary has already won- they're wrong. This is going to be a struggle.

I agree - I really believe that Clinton is in a tough spot politically here.

She has the establishment democrats locked up - and in a traditional election, she waltzes to the nomination without breaking a sweat.

Sanders has a path to the election that is different than previous candidates - his path is to bring more voters into the tent - non-traditional participants in the political process - primarily, but not exclusively, younger voters. Sanders campaign is built on the concept of a "political revolution" and it is also based a bit on a confidence game. As long as Sanders appears to have a chance, his actual support will remain strong and engaged. Don't underestimate the power of having a financial investment in a candidate in terms of how aggressive you will be in campaigning and in showing up to actually vote. Many of Sanders' supporters have a vested interest in seeing him win - that translates to voter turnout - of groups that traditionally do not participate in the primaries.

He also has a lot of fringe supporters who are not quite sure - they like what he has to say, but are not sure he can win - and people like to back a winner. If he wins in Iowa and New Hampshire the number of people who believe will swell, and many people will want in on the ground floor of the "revolution" It will feed itself.

 

[DocHolliday]

It could happen that way, Sinn Fein. While we disagree both on who we think will likely win and who we WANT to win, I think we can agree on one point: at this time, the outcome is NOT inevitable. All of the pundits on TV saying that the race is over and that Hillary has already won- they're wrong. This is going to be a struggle.

I agree - I really believe that Clinton is in a tough spot politically here.

She has the establishment democrats locked up - and in a traditional election, she waltzes to the nomination without breaking a sweat.

Sanders has a path to the election that is different than previous candidates - his path is to bring more voters into the tent - non-traditional participants in the political process - primarily, but not exclusively, younger voters. Sanders campaign is built on the concept of a "political revolution" and it is also based a bit on a confidence game. As long as Sanders appears to have a chance, his actual support will remain strong and engaged. Don't underestimate the power of having a financial investment in a candidate in terms of how aggressive you will be in campaigning and in showing up to actually vote. Many of Sanders' supporters have a vested interest in seeing him win - that translates to voter turnout - of groups that traditionally do not participate in the primaries.

He also has a lot of fringe supporters who are not quite sure - they like what he has to say, but are not sure he can win - and people like to back a winner. If he wins in Iowa and New Hampshire the number of people who believe will swell, and many people will want in on the ground floor of the "revolution" It will feed itself.

The election is already over. Hillary should get the crown fitted now.

 

[squistion]

It could happen that way, Sinn Fein. While we disagree both on who we think will likely win and who we WANT to win, I think we can agree on one point: at this time, the outcome is NOT inevitable. All of the pundits on TV saying that the race is over and that Hillary has already won- they're wrong. This is going to be a struggle.

Well yes...theoretically. Hillary could still be indicted by the FBI or drop out of the race for healthy issues. But outside of some remote possibilities, it seems a fait accompli. The first debate, Biden deciding not to run and the Benghazi 11 hour live infomercial for Hillary have for all intents and purposes sealed the deal. The fat lady hasn't sung, but she is clearing her throat.

 

[RCon]

I’ve been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. Well, I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman speaks out some people think it’s shouting.

That's your BOMBSHELL SEXISM CHARGE.

Sanders says something that is not sexist; Hilary responds with something that doesn't really amount to a charge of sexism. This is what amounts to conflict in the Dem primary race. Bo-ring. We need more loudmouth buffoons with horrifying ideas who have no idea what they're talking about.

Thinly veiled charge of sexism, and doesn't remotely rise to the level of GOP stupidity, but... still a stupid comment by Clinton.

I really, really dislike the brand of identity politics she's using. "Vote for me because I'm a woman" is sleazy.

 

[Juxtatarot]

It will be interesting to see if Hillary comes out in favor of the budget deal. I suspect Bernie will be against it.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

I understand why Bernie is taking jabs at Hillary, frankly not sure why he didn't start months ago. However, after months of Hillary not doing so while polls were moving in Bernie's direction, it seems odd that now she has rebounded she chooses to jab him.

 

[the moops]

I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, but I am hardly excited about it. She bores and annoys me more than anything.

 

[timschochet]

I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, but I am hardly excited about it. She bores and annoys me more than anything.

Isn't that somewhat contradictory?

 

[TobiasFunke]

I’ve been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. Well, I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman speaks out some people think it’s shouting.

That's your BOMBSHELL SEXISM CHARGE.

Sanders says something that is not sexist; Hilary responds with something that doesn't really amount to a charge of sexism. This is what amounts to conflict in the Dem primary race. Bo-ring. We need more loudmouth buffoons with horrifying ideas who have no idea what they're talking about.

Thinly veiled charge of sexism, and doesn't remotely rise to the level of GOP stupidity, but... still a stupid comment by Clinton.

I really, really dislike the brand of identity politics she's using. "Vote for me because I'm a woman" is sleazy.

Eh. She's going to be running against whoever survives a "Vote for me because I hate Mexicans more than anyone!" contest. Kind of puts it in perspective.

 

[The Commish]

I’ve been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. Well, I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman speaks out some people think it’s shouting.

That's your BOMBSHELL SEXISM CHARGE.

Sanders says something that is not sexist; Hilary responds with something that doesn't really amount to a charge of sexism. This is what amounts to conflict in the Dem primary race. Bo-ring. We need more loudmouth buffoons with horrifying ideas who have no idea what they're talking about.

Thinly veiled charge of sexism, and doesn't remotely rise to the level of GOP stupidity, but... still a stupid comment by Clinton.

I really, really dislike the brand of identity politics she's using. "Vote for me because I'm a woman" is sleazy.

Eh. She's going to be running against whoever survives a "Vote for me because I hate Mexicans more than anyone!" contest. Kind of puts it in perspective.

How long did it take you to dig the trench to set THAT bar??

 

[TobiasFunke]

I’ve been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. Well, I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman speaks out some people think it’s shouting.

That's your BOMBSHELL SEXISM CHARGE.

Sanders says something that is not sexist; Hilary responds with something that doesn't really amount to a charge of sexism. This is what amounts to conflict in the Dem primary race. Bo-ring. We need more loudmouth buffoons with horrifying ideas who have no idea what they're talking about.

Thinly veiled charge of sexism, and doesn't remotely rise to the level of GOP stupidity, but... still a stupid comment by Clinton.

I really, really dislike the brand of identity politics she's using. "Vote for me because I'm a woman" is sleazy.

Eh. She's going to be running against whoever survives a "Vote for me because I hate Mexicans more than anyone!" contest. Kind of puts it in perspective.

How long did it take you to dig the trench to set THAT bar??

I'm not the one who dug it. Believe me, I wish it were higher.

 

[RCon]

I’ve been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. Well, I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman speaks out some people think it’s shouting.

That's your BOMBSHELL SEXISM CHARGE.

Sanders says something that is not sexist; Hilary responds with something that doesn't really amount to a charge of sexism. This is what amounts to conflict in the Dem primary race. Bo-ring. We need more loudmouth buffoons with horrifying ideas who have no idea what they're talking about.

Thinly veiled charge of sexism, and doesn't remotely rise to the level of GOP stupidity, but... still a stupid comment by Clinton.

I really, really dislike the brand of identity politics she's using. "Vote for me because I'm a woman" is sleazy.

Eh. She's going to be running against whoever survives a "Vote for me because I hate Mexicans more than anyone!" contest. Kind of puts it in perspective.

I want more from my representatives than "I suck less than that guy". And, she's using the identity politics play now, against Sanders, who most certainly isn't playing that card.

 

[The Commish]

I’ve been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. Well, I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman speaks out some people think it’s shouting.

That's your BOMBSHELL SEXISM CHARGE.

Sanders says something that is not sexist; Hilary responds with something that doesn't really amount to a charge of sexism. This is what amounts to conflict in the Dem primary race. Bo-ring. We need more loudmouth buffoons with horrifying ideas who have no idea what they're talking about.

Thinly veiled charge of sexism, and doesn't remotely rise to the level of GOP stupidity, but... still a stupid comment by Clinton.

I really, really dislike the brand of identity politics she's using. "Vote for me because I'm a woman" is sleazy.

Eh. She's going to be running against whoever survives a "Vote for me because I hate Mexicans more than anyone!" contest. Kind of puts it in perspective.

How long did it take you to dig the trench to set THAT bar??

I'm not the one who dug it. Believe me, I wish it were higher.

You just made the comparison

You are certainly not the only one who's drawn the comparison...wasn't suggesting that.

 

[Mister CIA]

I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, but I am hardly excited about it. She bores and annoys me more than anything.

Isn't that somewhat contradictory?

Not in the least.

 

[Gopher State]

Hillary has got the nomination locked up

Email junk is behind her

Great job on first debate

Excellent job on the Bengazi committee

Biden not running

She will run over the socialist, who DFL party leaders are not going to endorse, a non party member

She just went from the outhouse to the Whitehouse in 30 days

 

[Sand]

Email junk is behind her

When did the FBI announce their investigation was done? I must have missed that.

 

[McGarnicle]

Hillary has got the nomination locked up

Email junk is behind her

Great job on first debate

Excellent job on the Bengazi committee

Biden not running

She will run over the socialist, who DFL party leaders are not going to endorse, a non party member

She just went from the outhouse to the Whitehouse in 30 days

Agreed, and probably a relatively easy win in the general. I don't know which is worse for the GOP, Trump somehow hanging on or one of the other stooges somehow overtaking him. Its difficult to envision any outcome where they don't look like a complete clown show. Really nauseating to think it could be that easy for Hillary. It's better for the country when there's a spirited fight imo, brings out the best in everyone. If Hillary is the best the Democrats can do, and the GOP can't mount a credible counterpoint after 8 years of Obama, that's just a sad commentary on where we stand right now as a nation. Although not surprising that our best & brightest aren't climbing over themselves for the job.

 

[timschochet]

I disagree strongly with all of this, again.

First off, she hasn't gotten the nomination yet. I've already given the reasons why she could struggle.

Second, even if she wins the nomination, it will be no easy thing to get elected. If she actually does face Trump, Carson, or some non-establishment candidate, then the race could be establishment vs. non-establishment and Hillary could lose simply due to populism bringing in new voters- what Sinn Fein thinks is going to happen in the primaries. It might not happen there but it could easily happen in the general.

On the other hand, if the Republicans get their #### together and put up Rubio, Bush or Kasich, then the race becomes more simply a referendum on Obama's 8 years. History suggests that it's not easy for the same party to win a 3rd term in a row.

Added to both of these are the slight chance that she still might get indicted, and also the possibility, not to be ignored, of an economic downturn. This last will very likely result in a Clinton defeat no matter who the Republican candidate is.

No doubt Hillary Clinton is the favorite to be our next President. But the Kentucky Wildcats were heavily favored to win March Madness. There's plenty of hurdles ahead...

 

[McGarnicle]

I'm not ready to believe we live in a world where Trump could get elected president. Therefore Hillary seems overwhelmingly likely to win it imo. As much as I despise her, I don't even want to contemplate the other scenario.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Hillary's right about this, IMO. I don't think Bernie meant to be sexist. But there's a lot of sexism out there and Hillary is treated differently in language used by her opponents. It happens all the time.

Please.

I am sure there is lots of sexism out there - but this was not an example of sexism. So she was not "right" about this.

Mika:

“I know sexism. Hillary Clinton knows sexism,” Brzezinski said. “She should know better than to let her staff make her do that. it needs to be her. She needs to get out there and talk. Everyone stop writing lines for her. They’re bad. Really bad. When we talk about sexism, when we talk about women and equal pay and all these things that are important, let’s not denigrate it with that stupidity, because we embarrass ourselves.”

That is some premium fake outrage.

No kidding. The "shouting" thing was just a minor "girl power" topping to the gun control cake.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Interesting that she got Sherrod Brown's endorsement.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Oh Tim do stop, her sole opponent just got the big moment of the lone debate by rousing the crowd to her support. Her main other threat just demured. It would take a massive screwup to stop her from being nominated.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Interesting that she got Sherrod Brown's endorsement.

Might as well get with the program.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Interesting that she got Sherrod Brown's endorsement.

Might as well get with the program.

He was neutral last time around. Then endorsed Obama.

 

[timschochet]

Oh Tim do stop, her sole opponent just got the big moment of the lone debate by rousing the crowd to her support. Her main other threat just demured. It would take a massive screwup to stop her from being nominated.

I refuse to count my chickens...

 

[Willie Neslon]

Anyone post the Warren video talking about Hillary in 2004?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Interesting that she got Sherrod Brown's endorsement.

Might as well get with the program.

He was neutral last time around. Then endorsed Obama.

Yeah, there ain't no Obama this time. Just what he ran against.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Mika Brzezinki is awful.

 

[The Commish]

good grief Tim

 

[timschochet]

good grief Tim

OK What did I do now?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

good grief Tim

OK What did I do now?

you spent the last several months when Hillary was sinking in the polls claiming she was a lock, now that she has rebounded and really seems to be a lock you are arguing the other side. of course, you don't troll though.

 

[timschochet]

good grief Tim

OK What did I do now?

you spent the last several months when Hillary was sinking in the polls claiming she was a lock, now that she has rebounded and really seems to be a lock you are arguing the other side. of course, you don't troll though.

Im not trolling. I always thought she would win and I still do. But over the months Bernie has impressed me and I get nervous. I'm not good when my side is going well in political matters. It rarely happens to me so I expect things to go wrong.

 

[psychobillies]

Anyone post the Warren video talking about Hillary in 2004?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg

I'm sure her opinion just evolved when she got more facts. She's so principled.

 

[The Commish]

good grief Tim

OK What did I do now?

Nothing out of the ordinary I've just never run across who can be so staunch in an opinion for months and months, almost defiant, then do a complete 180 all of a sudden (when things really haven't changed all that much). It's a timing thing I guess. I dunno.

 

[TobiasFunke]

good grief Tim

OK What did I do now?

you spent the last several months when Hillary was sinking in the polls claiming she was a lock, now that she has rebounded and really seems to be a lock you are arguing the other side. of course, you don't troll though.

Seems like pretty standard behavior from a supporter to me. We see it all the time in sports. When a team is losing most fans look to their young talent or possible free agents or other reasons to be hopeful that things will be good soon. When they're winning most fans get nervous about weaknesses that might prevent the team from accomplishing their goals. I don't think it's trolling, I think it's just human nature.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

good grief Tim

OK What did I do now?

you spent the last several months when Hillary was sinking in the polls claiming she was a lock,

now that she has rebounded and really seems to be a lock you are arguing the other side. of course, you don't troll though.

Seems like pretty standard behavior from a supporter to me. We see it all the time in sports. When a team is losing most fans look to their young talent or possible free agents or other

reasons to be hopeful that things will be good soon. When they're winning most fans get nervous about weaknesses that might prevent the team from accomplishing their goals. I don't think

it's trolling, I think it's just human nature.

Hillary was never losing though, I guess to use your analogy say this was a baseball team that opened up the season and was up 20 games in the division. Over the next few months they saw that lead shrink each week but the fan said they were a lock. The team then recovers and builds that lead back up close to the original margin and now that same fan is saying hold on a minute they are no longer a lock.

I don't really care though, was just answering why I assumed someone commented on it.

 

[timschochet]

good grief Tim

OK What did I do now?

Nothing out of the ordinary I've just never run across who can be so staunch in an opinion for months and months, almost defiant, then do a complete 180 all of a sudden (when things really haven't changed all that much). It's a timing thing I guess. I dunno.

I guess people would prefer that I gloat because all of a sudden she's doing well. I'm not that guy. Tobias has me pegged: success makes me nervous.

 

[The Commish]

good grief Tim

OK What did I do now?

Nothing out of the ordinary I've just never run across who can be so staunch in an opinion for months and months, almost defiant, then do a complete 180 all of a sudden (when things really haven't changed all that much). It's a timing thing I guess. I dunno.

I guess people would prefer that I gloat because all of a sudden she's doing well. I'm not that guy. Tobias has me pegged: success makes me nervous.

Doesn't matter to me what you do Tim. You are who you are. I'm not interested in changing you. I just have to do a better job taking into account who I'm dealing with and adjust accordingly.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

good grief Tim

OK What did I do now?

Nothing out of the ordinary I've just never run across who can be so staunch in an opinion for months and months, almost defiant, then do a complete 180 all of a sudden (when things really haven't changed all that much). It's a timing thing I guess. I dunno.

I guess people would prefer that I gloat because all of a sudden she's doing well. I'm not that guy. Tobias has me pegged: success makes me nervous.

I think the problem - as Tobias also pointed out in a separate post earlier - is we're back to boring with Hillary. So maybe you're trying to keep some drama and conversation in here. Can't blame you, it's been a fun thread and interesting.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Anyone post the Warren video talking about Hillary in 2004?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg

I'm sure her opinion just evolved when she got more facts. She's so principled.

I think it'll be used against her in the general. You can't portray yourself as a woman of the people when you screwed them the second it became politically expedient to do so. This is my problem with Hillary. She's bought and paid for like the rest of them are. A Hillary administration will be business as usual for the richest and tough times for the rest of us no matter how much she tries to portray herself as a champion for the little guy.