Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (7 Viewers)

[NorvilleBarnes]

Only, mostly dead.

To blave.

 

[Henry Ford]

To blave.

Hillary: I'm not a witch, I'm your wife!

 

[Poppa]

Given the choice, I would much rather have a corrupt and lying President...

Luckily for you...

http://observer.com/2016/04/panama-papers-reveal-clintons-kremlin-connection/

 

[Guest]

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/08/obama-will-address-hillary-s-email-scandal-on-first-ever-fox-news-sunday.html

Obama will appear on Fox News Sunday tomorrow.  His previously recorded interview is under embargo until tomorrow, but he spoke about Clinton's emails.  I have a feeling we'll have a much better sense tomorrow if this will progress.  If he takes the same line as Clinton (not even a remote chance), then I'd expect it's not going to move towards indictment.  But if he takes the line that the FBI will operate independently without political interference, then I'd read that to mean that things look dicey at best for H.  That probably means he knows there's a case with substance brewing and it's far from settled, and he needs to hedge.

 

[Capella]

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/08/obama-will-address-hillary-s-email-scandal-on-first-ever-fox-news-sunday.html

Obama will appear on Fox News Sunday tomorrow.  His previously recorded interview is under embargo until tomorrow, but he spoke about Clinton's emails.  I have a feeling we'll have a much better sense tomorrow if this will progress.  If he takes the same line as Clinton (not even a remote chance), then I'd expect it's not going to move towards indictment.  But if he takes the line that the FBI will operate independently without political interference, then I'd read that to mean that things look dicey at best for H.  That probably means he knows there's a case with substance brewing and it's far from settled, and he needs to hedge.

You know for a fact he's not going to say the latter. It's so funny how some of you get your hopes up on this fruitless dreams. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hillary: I'm not a witch, I'm your wife!

Valerie: "_____"

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

But if he takes the line that the FBI will operate independently without political interference, then I'd read that to mean that things look dicey at best for H.  That probably means he knows there's a case with substance brewing and it's far from settled, and he needs to hedge.

Of course that's what he's going to say. And it won't mean anything other than he has a filter and a brain.

 

[Guest]

You know for a fact he's not going to say the latter. It's so funny how some of you get your hopes up on this fruitless dreams. 

I'd lay money that he doesn't give a blanket answer that she did nothing wrong and it's not going to be prosecuted.  

 

[Capella]

I'd lay money that he doesn't give a blanket answer that she did nothing wrong and it's not going to be prosecuted.  

Ok. Keep your hopes up man. 

 

[squistion]

I'd lay money that he doesn't give a blanket answer that she did nothing wrong and it's not going to be prosecuted.  

Nobody would take that bet. He wouldn't say that before the investigation is completed.

 

[Henry Ford]

Ok. Keep your hopes up man. 

I don't understand why anyone would think he would say that.

 

[Guest]

Of course that's what he's going to say. And it won't mean anything other than he has a filter and a brain.

I'm suggesting that unlike on 60 Minutes last year, he won't say he doesn't think she jeopardized national security or anything else that absolves her.  He's hedging because he case has substance.  (My guess as to what he'll say).  Rather than reassuring the public like Hillary did, he'll provide an indication that trouble at lest may be brewing.  Because I believe it is. 

 

[tommyGunZ]

I'm suggesting that unlike on 60 Minutes last year, he won't say he doesn't think she jeopardized national security or anything else that absolves her.  He's hedging because he case has substance.  (My guess as to what he'll say).  Rather than reassuring the public like Hillary did, he'll provide an indication that trouble at lest may be brewing.  Because I believe it is. 

Are you pissed that SaintsintheDome has taken over the mantle as the Board's king of conspiracy theorists, and you want your title back? 

 

[Capella]

I don't understand why anyone would think he would say that.

Some people have insane crazy ideas of what reality is I guess. 

 

[Capella]

I'm suggesting that unlike on 60 Minutes last year, he won't say he doesn't think she jeopardized national security or anything else that absolves her.  He's hedging because he case has substance.  (My guess as to what he'll say).  Rather than reassuring the public like Hillary did, he'll provide an indication that trouble at lest may be brewing.  Because I believe it is. 

Lmao

 

[Capella]

Even if you think something might be brewing, the idea that OBAMA is going to be the one to announce that is the funniest #### ever. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

Clinton has a chance to break up Bernie's momentum today. Lets see how she inspires the voters of Wyoming.

 

[Guest]

Even if you think something might be brewing, the idea that OBAMA is going to be the one to announce that is the funniest #### ever. 

Not suggesting he'll announce anything.  Last Fall he stated that he didn't think she did anything wrong.  This pissed off the FBI, because it turns out he'd never been briefed on the investigation.  With the DOJ now getting regular briefings, it's a good assumption that he now knows whether there's the makings of a case.  It's laughable that's it's a conspiracy given ample evidence she may have committed crimes.  I expect he tenor of what he says tomorrow contrasted to 60 Minutes will be carefully devised and meaningful.  

 

[squistion]

Clinton has a chance to break up Bernie's momentum today. Lets see how she inspires the voters of Wyoming.

You mean the caucus participants.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It might be worth revisiting what he said last time, it will be interesting for revisiting/comparison at least:

Steve Kroft: Did you know about Hillary Clinton's use of private email server--

President Barack Obama: No.

Steve Kroft: --while she was Secretary of State?

President Barack Obama: No.

Steve Kroft: Do you think it posed a national security problem?

President Barack Obama: I don't think it posed a national security problem. I think that it was a mistake that she has acknowledged and-- you know, as a general proposition, when we're in these offices, we have to be more sensitive and stay as far away from the line as possible when it comes to how we handle information, how we handle our own personal data. And, you know, she made a mistake. She has acknowledged it. I do think that the way it's been ginned-up is in part because of-- in part-- because of politics. And I think she'd be the first to acknowledge that maybe she could have handled the original decision better and the disclosures more quickly. But--

Steve Kroft: What was your reaction when you found out about it?

President Barack Obama: This is one of those issues that I think is legitimate, but the fact that for the last three months this is all that's been spoken about is an indication that we're in presidential political season.

Steve Kroft: Do you agree with what President Clinton has said and Secretary Clinton has said, that this is not-- not that big a deal. Do you agree with that?

President Barack Obama: Well, I'm not going to comment on--

Steve Kroft: You think it's not that big a deal--

President Barack Obama: What I think is that it is important for her to answer these questions to the satisfaction of the American public. And they can make their own judgment. I can tell you that this is not a situation in which America's national security was endangered.

Steve Kroft: This administration has prosecuted people for having classified material on their private computers.

President Barack Obama: Well, I-- there's no doubt that there had been breaches, and these are all a matter of degree. We don't get an impression that here there was purposely efforts-- on-- in-- to hide something or to squirrel away information. But again, I'm gonna leave it to--

Steve Kroft: If she had come to you.

President Barack Obama: I'm going to leave it to Hillary when she has an interview with you to address all these questions.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-obama-60-minutes-syria-isis-2016-presidential-race/

There's stuff there for everyone so I'm not disregarding the parts where he says it wasn't a national security problem or that it's silly season, but he said other stuff that doesn't get discussed much. Like I said, use it for comparison tomorrow.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Some people have insane crazy ideas of what reality is I guess. 

These are the same folks who have thousands of posts in the IRS scandal thread, the Benghazi scandal thread, the "ACA is the devil" thread, etc.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Clinton has a chance to break up Bernie's momentum today. Lets see how she inspires the voters of Wyoming.

This stuff seems to go regionally. Sanders won UT, he won ID, WA, I'm guessing he wins this.

 

[squistion]

So much for those who were saying that Republicans wouldn't use Bernie's recent comments against Hillary.  A preview of the fall talking points and attack ads if Hillary is the nominee:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 4h4 hours ago

Bernie Sanders says that Hillary Clinton is unqualified to be president. Based on her decision making ability, I can go along with that!

 

[AAABatteries]

I'm hoping Hillary and her camp think they have NY wrapped up like some of the folks in here.  

 

[Sinn Fein]

because the GOP has nothing else to attack Clinton with...

 

[AnonymousBob]

I believe Obama will say Hillary committed serious crimes and deserves to be behind bars. I mean, sure that'd be moronic for numerous political and other reasons, but I've just got a hunch and am going to trust my gut over common sense and facts. 

 

[Guest]

I believe Obama will say Hillary committed serious crimes and deserves to be behind bars. I mean, sure that'd be moronic for numerous political and other reasons, but I've just got a hunch and am going to trust my gut over common sense and facts. 

If it were me, I'd say that Hillary says "it's not going to happen" when talking about indictment (they taped this Thursday before she said not the remotest possibility). I'd ask him to respond to that, and ask how she could possibly know that. I'd also ask of this is a security review or criminal investigation.   

 

[Henry Ford]

I believe Obama will say Hillary committed serious crimes and deserves to be behind bars. I mean, sure that'd be moronic for numerous political and other reasons, but I've just got a hunch and am going to trust my gut over common sense and facts. 

I'd have her arrested on air.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So much for those who were saying that Republicans wouldn't use Bernie's recent comments against Hillary.  A preview of the fall talking points and attack ads if Hillary is the nominee:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 4h4 hours ago

Bernie Sanders says that Hillary Clinton is unqualified to be president. Based on her decision making ability, I can go along with that!

Do you think Hillary's comments against Sanders will be used against him if he wins the nomination?

 

[AnonymousBob]

I'd have her arrested on air.

And publicly flogged. It's his only option if he wants to maintain his integrity and legacy. 

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

So much for those who were saying that Republicans wouldn't use Bernie's recent comments against Hillary. 

Wow that's never ever happened before in an election.

 

[Sinn Fein]

At a minimum, we should find out if she floats.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And publicly flogged. It's his only option if he wants to maintain his integrity and legacy. 

Well that and increase his approval ratings.

.............( I keed, I keed)....​

 

[squistion]

Do you think Hillary's comments against Sanders will be used against him if he wins the nomination?

No, because, unlike Bernie, she didn't specifically say he was unqualified, although Scarborough kept goading her to make that statement.

 

[Guest]

Are you pissed that SaintsintheDome has taken over the mantle as the Board's king of conspiracy theorists, and you want your title back? 

Say what you will about me.  ? With shortened news cycles and less investigative journalism, I have much respect for Saints for doing his research and proving analysis with what he posts.  You may not like it, but he's not throwing stuff out there without context. 

You also may not like it, but there's depth within what we already know about Hillary's handling of secrets and possible criminality.  And the likelihood that there is even more substance in those 31k emails she deleted and attempted to hide is also very real.  Hell, even the private company backing her server up had emails internally saying the requests to shorten the backup period and initiate an overwrite made it look an awful lot like her office was trying to hide something. 

If she was not successful (as is likely the case) in purging those emails and they contain Clinton Foundation dealings (they likely do), and they contain work emails that were not turned over (reports are they do), hen expect all of that to be in play.  

None of this is conspiracy theory, though I'll grab you it's quite likely there was a conspiracy to obstruct open records regulations and justice.

 

[Sinn Fein]

No, because, unlike Bernie, she didn't specifically say he was unqualified, although Scarborough kept goading her to make that statement.

Do you think the CNN report was erroneous?  Seems to me this was right out of the Clinton playbook - leak a story to a friendly media outlet, and then claim shock when the opponent responds.

 

[squistion]

Do you think the CNN report was erroneous?  Seems to me this was right out of the Clinton playbook - leak a story to a friendly media outlet, and then claim shock when the opponent responds.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/07/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-not-qualified-be-president-hillary-/

Did Hillary Clinton say Bernie Sanders 'not qualified' to be president? Not directly [...]

So is Sanders correct that Clinton has been saying the he was "not qualified to be president"?

We emailed his campaign asking where to find Clinton specifically and directly making that statement.

The campaign couldn't.

Instead, the Sanders people sent us video of a Sanders news conference in which he cites a CNN report saying that the Clinton campaign's strategy would be to "Disqualify (Sanders), defeat him and unify the party later."

But that's not a quote from Clinton. It's a summation by CNN's senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny, who begins his article this way: "Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking new steps to try and disqualify Bernie Sanders in the eyes of Democratic voters."

The article says Clinton spokeswoman Christina Reynolds argued that Sanders is unqualified, but Reynolds is not directly quoted as saying that.

Instead, she is quoted as saying, "You get the impression Sen. Sanders hasn't thought very much" about how to actually get goals accomplished.

 

[Sinn Fein]

cnn:  As Sanders took a victory lap following a 14-point triumph in Wisconsin, Clinton took fresh aim at the Vermont senator as part of a three-part strategy before the New York primary on April 19: Disqualify him, defeat him, and unify the party later.

I doubt they came up with that on their own...

 

[squistion]

cnn:  As Sanders took a victory lap following a 14-point triumph in Wisconsin, Clinton took fresh aim at the Vermont senator as part of a three-part strategy before the New York primary on April 19: Disqualify him, defeat him, and unify the party later.

I doubt they came up with that on their own...

It appears they did. Again, as taken from Politifact in my prior post:
 

But that's not a quote from Clinton. It's a summation by CNN's senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny, who begins his article this way: "Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking new steps to try and disqualify Bernie Sanders in the eyes of Democratic voters."

The article says Clinton spokeswoman Christina Reynolds argued that Sanders is unqualified, but Reynolds is not directly quoted as saying that.

Instead, she is quoted as saying, "You get the impression Sen. Sanders hasn't thought very much" about how to actually get goals accomplished.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Do you think Hillary's comments against Sanders will be used against him if he wins the nomination?

Of course. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply kidding themselves. Personally I think it's fair game.

 

[AnonymousBob]

You get the impression squistion is regularly in over his head and when forced to do more than copy/paste articles or tweets and hasn't thought very much about how to make good arguments for anything. 

 

[timschochet]

Not looking good for Bernie and Wyoming won't make any difference: 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-is-even-further-behind-in-votes-than-he-is-in-delegates/

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Not looking good for Bernie and Wyoming won't make any difference: 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-is-even-further-behind-in-votes-than-he-is-in-delegates/

Say, have you hear this one? What do the Cleveland Browns and Hillary Clinton have in common?

 

[timschochet]

You get the impression squistion is regularly in over his head and when forced to do more than copy/paste articles or tweets and hasn't thought very much about how to make good arguments for anything. 

Not sure where you getting this from his most recent posts. He's absolutely correct. Neither Hillary nor her surrogates ever said Bernie was unqualified. The media added that, Bernie apparently read only the headlines, and went over the top in response, which is why he had to backtrack the next day. It's not that big a deal though. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

Not looking good for Bernie and Wyoming won't make any difference: 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-is-even-further-behind-in-votes-than-he-is-in-delegates/

Popular vote total includes AK,AL,AR,AS,AZ,CO,DA,FL,GA,HI,ID,IL,KS,LA,MA,MI,MN,MO,MP,MS,NC,NE,NH,OH,OK,SC,TN,TX,UT,VA,VT,WI and excludes IA,ME,NV,WA.  

Its not as bad as it looks on 538...Iowa and Nevada were draws, but Bernie has blowout wins in WA and Maine 

In reality, if Bernie wins NY - the primary is over.

 

[Van Dyman]

Meme of the week: Hillary Clinton, The New York Subway And Authenticity

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Not looking good for Bernie and Wyoming won't make any difference: 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-is-even-further-behind-in-votes-than-he-is-in-delegates/

Yawn. Another apples to oranges comparison of "actual votes". 

I did enjoy the last line though " even if he were somehow to win more pledged delegates, he’d probably still wind up short in the popular vote."

 

[Sinn Fein]

Not sure where you getting this from his most recent posts. He's absolutely correct. Neither Hillary nor her surrogates ever said Bernie was unqualified. The media added that, Bernie apparently read only the headlines, and went over the top in response, which is why he had to backtrack the next day. It's not that big a deal though. 

It absolutely came from a Clinton surrogate - if not the campaign directly.  A reporter does not come up with "a three-part strategy" on their own.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

... Neither Hillary nor her surrogates ever said Bernie was unqualified. The media added that, Bernie apparently read only the headlines, and went over the top in response, which is why he had to backtrack the next day. It's not that big a deal though. 

The Clinton campaign has refrained from going nuclear on Sanders, aides say, in large part to keep at least some good will alive in hopes of unifying the party at the end of the primary fight. No more, a top adviser told CNN. The fight is on. Extending an olive branch to Sanders' supporters "will come later," an adviser said.

- Who do you think the top advisor is? Jennifer Palmieri? Brian Fallon? Mook? Podesta?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It appears they did. Again, as taken from Politifact in my prior post:
 

The Clinton campaign has refrained from going nuclear on Sanders, aides say, in large part to keep at least some good will alive in hopes of unifying the party at the end of the primary fight. No more, a top adviser told CNN. The fight is on. Extending an olive branch to Sanders' supporters "will come later," an adviser said.

- Does PF have idea which advisor this was?

Let's see, is this right?

- Sanders does an interview with NYDN, which is owned by a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton.

- Sanders' interview (allegedly) is roundly panned by some pundits, including by the NYDN, which then goes on to post one of its classic corner to corner cover spreads of Sanders painting him as a supporter of the Sandy Hook killing or at least of the manufacture of the guns used in them.

- Next day Hillary campaign Communications Director sends a fundraiser email (per CNN) saying Sanders doesn't seem to know what is going on in terms of what it takes to be president. And she copies the entire NYDN transcript.

- Same day CNN speaks with a "top advisor" for Hillary - Palmieri? Fallon? Reynolds? Mook? Podesta? - who says that the Hillary campaign is going "nuclear" (CNN's word) on Sanders and that they will "disqualify" (CNN's word) him for the presidency, based on what this top advisor told the reporter.

Is this correct?