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jon_mx said:
Interesting choice of words for a routine security review, from ABC News:

The White House on Tuesday was under pressure to reconcile those two statements — asserting Obama's public defense of Clinton was not an attempt to meddle in an ongoing probe and that federal investigators will not be swayed by the boss' views.

"The president is committed to ensuring that individuals who are conducting criminal prosecutions do their work without influence from politicians or anybody that's involved in politics," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said.
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It moved.

 
Hillary throws Mayor de Balsio under the bus for the racist CP time joke.

In an interview, Clinton was asked if the skit was "inappropriate,"

“Well, look, it was Mayor de Blasio's skit," she responded. "He has addressed it, and I will really defer to him because it is something that he's already talked about."
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"Thanks for endorsing me Bill"

 
timschochet said:
Mr. Ham hasn't used the word "conspiracy" (he wouldn't) but he is accusing President Obama of taking a stand on Hillary's behalf, and he and several others have suggested Obama would be part of a cover-up. What else would you call that? 
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Politics.

You otoh rely on an actual 'conspiracy' of the 'vast right wing' an evil shadowy cabal that plots every week how to run over the same poor old lady who did nothing but try to cross the street.

 
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timschochet said:
Mr. Ham exhibits the traits of the true conspiracy theorist: if Obama had hinted that Hillary was guilty of wrongdoing (as Ham confidently predicted beforehand), Ham would be celebrating. When Obama pretty clearly indicated that Hillary was innocent of wrongdoing, Ham decided that Obama must himself be part of the corruption. Never once does Ham seriously consider that Hillary might actually be innocent: the only question in Ham's mind is who is involved in the cover-up? 

There is no way to argue with a conspiracy theorist; no means to disprove the accusations, because in the mind of the conspiracy theorist anyone who disagrees is either a dupe or part of the conspiracy. 
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Someone doesn't like the taste of their own medicine :lol:

 
bananafish said:
If we don't hear anything about what was deleted one way or another, then we'll know. I don't think Obama would risk his whole legacy on covering up for Hillary (or that the FBI would stand idly by) but you never know.

If you are suggesting I should be (more) outraged RIGHT NOW then I'm all ears. I only ask that if you are going to make me look foolish again with your lawyerly ways please be gentle.
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I'm actually just trying to be funny.  Most of the time I'm just trying to be funny.

 
cap'n grunge said:
If anything I bet Obama is privately irritated at her for creating this issue and doesn't want it to rub off on his legacy at all. He wants it to go away so he doesn't get dragged into it, just like anyone would.
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He knows it wont go away because he's been there on other issues.  From the start this was the worst type of story for Hillary and the Democrats, all sorts of corruption, lies intrigue and strings to pull on that link to other unsolved mysteries and corruptions, Americans love this, it is like an epic mystery novel and they won't tolerate a whitewash and official denial, because everything has to tie together and make sense in the end. It used to be the medias job to root out this sort of stuff long before it got going, it would have been a nothing story if the media did its job and questioned Hillary on this matter years ago,  but questioning Hillary on such matters is a sign of disloyalty which requires immediate explulsion from the inner circle cant have that so they didn't and now here we are.  Even though the liberal media sold out to the Democrats, the spirit of rooting out corruption still remains in the American people, they grab on to stories like this like a pitbull finding a rat in a dumpster, they hold on and shake until there is nothing left to shake.  If the Democrats try to hide a piece of this story it will be found by the American pitbull story solvers in short order.    It must drive the Democrats absolutely batchit crazy that so many Americans refuse to accept the Official explanations and just Move On. 

 
Anyone care to revisit her "accomplishments" as Secretary of State?

Seems her "best" moment was Libya, which Obama now considers his worst mistake...

Other than enriching the Clinton Foundation, what is her new "best" accomplishment?

 
The Future Champs said:
In all seriousness, WTF do you mean by "Hillary hid evidence of Saudi Arabians being connected to Benghazi."   ?.
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I'll take a crack at this. I think it stems from this email - released by the hacker Lazar aka Guccifer so it bears his branding with the pink background and crude 'G' - and it's obviously an email in February 2013 based on intelligence likely coming from Tyler Drumheller (though maybe others) obtained from the Algerian government or from US signal/human source intelligence gathered from the Algerian government (and if so that's another problem). Point 4 is the report that per Libyan intelligence officers and corroborated by French intelligence Saudi money (not necessarily from the Saud family) was used to fund terrorism in the Maghreb and Europe and that made its way to the militia who attacked the US mission in Libya. It also shows a premeditated attack. The Libyan source has the funding going directly to it. I don't know if that means that Hillary 'hid' this specifically but it would be part of her work which she never intended to reveal to anyone along with the rest of everything else she intended to never disclose.

 
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spreagle said:
He knows it wont go away because he's been there on other issues.  From the start this was the worst type of story for Hillary and the Democrats, all sorts of corruption, lies intrigue and strings to pull on that link to other unsolved mysteries and corruptions, Americans love this, it is like an epic mystery novel and they won't tolerate a whitewash and official denial, because everything has to tie together and make sense in the end. It used to be the medias job to root out this sort of stuff long before it got going, it would have been a nothing story if the media did its job and questioned Hillary on this matter years ago,  but questioning Hillary on such matters is a sign of disloyalty which requires immediate explulsion from the inner circle cant have that so they didn't and now here we are.  Even though the liberal media sold out to the Democrats, the spirit of rooting out corruption still remains in the American people, they grab on to stories like this like a pitbull finding a rat in a dumpster, they hold on and shake until there is nothing left to shake.  If the Democrats try to hide a piece of this story it will be found by the American pitbull story solvers in short order.    It must drive the Democrats absolutely batchit crazy that so many Americans refuse to accept the Official explanations and just Move On. 
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I understand the rat, but how did the pit bull get into the dumpster?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I'll take a crack at this. I think it stems from this email - released by the hacker Lazar aka Guccifer so it bears his branding with the pink background and crude 'G' - and it's obviously an email in February 2013 based on intelligence likely coming from Tyler Drumheller (though maybe others) obtained from the Algerian government or from US signal/human source intelligence gathered from the Algerian government (and if so that's another problem). Point 4 is the report that per Libyan intelligence officers and corroborated by French intelligence Saudi money (not necessarily from the Saud family) was used to fund terrorism in the Maghreb and Europe and that made its way to the militia who attacked the US mission in Libya. It also shows a premeditated attack. The Libyan source has the funding going directly to it. I don't know if that means that Hillary 'hid' this specifically but it would be part of her work which she never intended to reveal to anyone along with the rest of everything else she intended to never disclose.
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I'm not trying to promote the idea that there's a cabal of Saudi bad guys huddled in a James Bond secret lair.  But the US treatment towards Saudi Arabia and it's terrible record on human rights and terror has been shaped by money interests.  So in terms of perception, we go from early attempts to pin Benghazi on. YouTube video to indications that it was funded and premeditated out of the Kingdom.  Nothing was said or done publicly.  Meanwhile, some of the biggest donors to the Clinton Foundation were in parallel writing million dollar checks.  When you're about to run for President, maybe you don't want to mess with that power and money base -- so what of anything was done with this information?  Unless it is part of the 22 emails withheld and redacted, incidentally, this email was not turned over -- and may have been either held back by the Clinton camp or deleted with the personal batch.  

Like most scandals, the truth will be nuanced -- I'm just predicting that because once again, the Clintons mix personal wealth, political influence and elected office routinely, we will see this become a full fledged one eventually.  

 
timschochet said:
Mr. Ham hasn't used the word "conspiracy" (he wouldn't) but he is accusing President Obama of taking a stand on Hillary's behalf, and he and several others have suggested Obama would be part of a cover-up. What else would you call that? 
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He was coached.  He took a very tactical legal line that she did not compromise national security.  This is calculated and the language is precise, since he knows that intent was not that standard.  In terms of the NDA specifically it's not even negligence.  It's information that can cause harm to national security.  So that's the legal line in the sand that it appears the DOJ is preparing to do battle behind.  So in saying no politics, we was very much attempting to influence the investigation and the public's perception.  

 
The Future Champs said:
In all seriousness, WTF do you mean by "Hillary hid evidence of Saudi Arabians being connected to Benghazi."   ?.
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Wouldn't deleting an email on her private server that said "hey, it's a good thing nobody knows about the Saudi connection to the Benghazi attacks" fall under this definition? 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I'll take a crack at this. I think it stems from this email - released by the hacker Lazar aka Guccifer so it bears his branding with the pink background and crude 'G' - and it's obviously an email in February 2013 based on intelligence likely coming from Tyler Drumheller (though maybe others) obtained from the Algerian government or from US signal/human source intelligence gathered from the Algerian government (and if so that's another problem). Point 4 is the report that per Libyan intelligence officers and corroborated by French intelligence Saudi money (not necessarily from the Saud family) was used to fund terrorism in the Maghreb and Europe and that made its way to the militia who attacked the US mission in Libya. It also shows a premeditated attack. The Libyan source has the funding going directly to it. I don't know if that means that Hillary 'hid' this specifically but it would be part of her work which she never intended to reveal to anyone along with the rest of everything else she intended to never disclose.
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1.  So we have a conspiracy theory based on unverified sources, and it seems plausible, but also doesn't amount to much.   Private Saudi money went to fund terrorists.   Surprise.

2.  What should Hillary have done with the info from Blumenthal?

 
The Future Champs said:
1.  So we have a conspiracy theory based on unverified sources, and it seems plausible, but also doesn't amount to much.   Private Saudi money went to fund terrorists.   Surprise.

2.  What should Hillary have done with the info from Blumenthal?
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1. Yeah I don't like conspiracy theories. I don't think that's what this is. Drumheller was ex-CIA who said he got it from Algerian intelligence who got it from two sources, French intelligence and Libyan intelligence. I'm ok with rejecting it as unreal, but that just raises as you put it "WTF" was our SOS doing getting bs intelligence from Blumenthal in the first place and relying on it as SOS. However if you notice Drumheller (I take it) takes effort to say this was directly sourced intelligence.

2. I don't know, I'm not sure she had to do anything with it. It was after she left SOS, technically it's outside the Foia requests by a few weeks for that reason. I suppose she could have offered it to State, the IC, the ARB or Congress, or just told the people about it in interviews, but the whole world got it anyway. If Blumenthal hadn't been hacked we never would have learned of it.

 
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Sweet J said:
Wouldn't deleting an email on her private server that said "hey, it's a good thing nobody knows about the Saudi connection to the Benghazi attacks" fall under this definition? 
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I guess I'm struggling to see why anyone is surprised that private Saudi money is funding terrorists.   Granted, I wouldn't have automatically assumed a connection to Benghazi, but there have been reports that connect ISIS and Saudi money, which is far worse than the Benghazi connection imo.

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
Hillary throws Mayor de Balsio under the bus for the racist CP time joke.

In an interview, Clinton was asked if the skit was "inappropriate,"

“Well, look, it was Mayor de Blasio's skit," she responded. "He has addressed it, and I will really defer to him because it is something that he's already talked about."
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"Thanks for endorsing me Bill"
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That's our Hillary, always the first to take the lead, always ready to admit she made a mistake, never throwing anyone under the bus but rather stepping in front of it. Yes, she's a peach.

 
Henry Ford said:
Less than a week for Clinton supporters.  For Sanders supporters, it's still almost a week away.
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He's closed some pretty big gaps in previous contests.   Big difference here is that NY voters are more familiar with both of them, as compared to Wisconsin voters,  so their preferences should be a bit more set.

 
The Future Champs said:
He's closed some pretty big gaps in previous contests.   Big difference here is that NY voters are more familiar with both of them, as compared to Wisconsin voters,  so their preferences should be a bit more set.
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Why do you believe that NY voters are more familiar with Sanders than Michigan or Wisconsin voters?

 
The Future Champs said:
He's closed some pretty big gaps in previous contests.   Big difference here is that NY voters are more familiar with both of them, as compared to Wisconsin voters,  so their preferences should be a bit more set.
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The huge thing against Bernie is you needed to register with the DNC back in October if you wanted to vote for either candidate. That hurts Bernie in an area he's dominated. 

There isn't much early voting, either. That's something Hillary has been been crushing him on. Hurts her a lot. 

Then you have The Vatican appearance which can't hurt his appeal in an incredibly Catholic dense area. And the fact more time goes by the more he closes the gap. 

It really is a race to the wire. There's so much on the line in the debate. Should be fascinating to watch. 

 
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Not a Dem supporter by any stretch...but how does Bernie beat Hillary in Wyoming by a crushing 12% and she gets nearly double the delegates he does? This Dem nomination is completely rigged for Hillary, which is quite sad. I am truly concerned for our country if she is elected. 

 
AnonymousBob said:
The huge thing against Bernie is you needed to register with the DNC back in October if you wanted to vote for either candidate. That hurts Bernie in an area he's dominated. 

There isn't much early voting, either. That's something Hillary has been been crushing him on. Hurts her a lot. 

Then you have The Vatican appearance which can't hurt his appeal in an incredibly Catholic dense area. And the fact more time goes by the more he closes the gap. 

It really is a race to the wire. There's so much on the line in the debate. Should be fascinating to watch. 
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I hope he pulls this off.   

 
The Future Champs said:
Regional news for Sanders.   Hillary obviously has name recognition everywhere.
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I don't think the average New York voter was any more aware of Bernie Sanders than the average Michigan voter at the time of the Michigan primary and, as you say, everyone already knew Clinton. 

I agree that everyone's preferences get more set as the weeks wear on in this campaign, but I have said before I still believe that Friday is moving day for New York.  Post-debate, when Sanders is on his way to the Vatican, things will shake up.  On his way back Saturday or Sunday, we will have a better picture.

 
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Brendon1215 said:
Not a Dem supporter by any stretch...but how does Bernie beat Hillary in Wyoming by a crushing 12% and she gets nearly double the delegates he does? This Dem nomination is completely rigged for Hillary, which is quite sad. I am truly concerned for our country if she is elected. 
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It'll be fine.  Unless you're planning on being 18-25 at some point during her presidency.  In which case, I'd find a way to stay out of the armed forces.

 
Henry Ford said:
It'll be fine.  Unless you're planning on being 18-25 at some point during her presidency.  In which case, I'd find a way to stay out of the armed forces.
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I will be in my early 20's. I joined the Marine Corps right out of high school with several of my good friends although I was medically discharged halfway through recruit training. But I have told others that Clinton in office would be a detrimental blow to our military. 

 
Brendon1215 said:
Not a Dem supporter by any stretch...but how does Bernie beat Hillary in Wyoming by a crushing 12% and she gets nearly double the delegates he does? This Dem nomination is completely rigged for Hillary, which is quite sad. I am truly concerned for our country if she is elected. 
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Hi and welcome aboard to the political revolution Bernie keeps talking about! 

 
From 11/3/06:

Chelsea Clinton joins New York hedge fund





Avenue Capital Group founder has been big contributor to Democrats





NEW YORK — Former first daughter Chelsea Clinton has joined Avenue Capital Group, a $12 billion hedge fund manager whose founder has contributed to many Democratic Party campaigns, a person familiar with the matter said Friday.

Clinton, 26, the only child of former President Bill Clinton and U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, has taken a post at the New York-based fund manager in an undisclosed capacity, the source said.

Clinton, who graduated from Stanford University in 2001 and studied philosophy at Oxford University, most recently worked at consultants McKinsey & Co. from 2003.

Avenue which focuses on distressed securities investing was co-founded by Marc Lasry. Morgan Stanley this week bought a minority stake in Avenue.

Well-known in hedge fund circles, Lasry has contributed to political campaigns for Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Bill Bradley, John Kerry and other Democrats in recent years, federal election records show. However, Lasry has also contributed lesser amounts to campaigns for President Bush, the records show.

Chelsea Clinton couldn’t be reached for comment. A spokeswoman for Avenue said the company “does not comment on issues of company personnel.”

News of Clinton’s hire was reported by the New York Daily News Friday.
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Distressed securities


Distressed securities are securities of companies or government entities that are experiencing financial or operational distress, default, or are under bankruptcy.[1] As far as debt securities, this is called distressed debt. Purchasing or holding such distressed-debt creates significant risk due to the possibility that bankruptcy may render such securities worthless (zero recovery)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distressed_securities



- In other words, junk bonds.

 
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Brendon1215 said:
I will be in my early 20's. I joined the Marine Corps right out of high school with several of my good friends although I was medically discharged halfway through recruit training. But I have told others that Clinton in office would be a detrimental blow to our military. 
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Should be gangbusters for the military as an organization. Military members, probably not so much.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
That's our Hillary, always the first to take the lead, always ready to admit she made a mistake, never throwing anyone under the bus but rather stepping in front of it. Yes, she's a peach.
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Goodness.  I've never heard the expression "C.P. time."  I've lived in racially charged Boston in the 70s and 80s, and lived in Atlanta and North Carolina.  I would have thought I'd run into that expression sometime.  Oh, well.  Maybe for that reason, I'm having a hard time getting worked up over it.  Particularly because it doesn't seem that this came from Hillary.

 
Sweet J said:
Goodness.  I've never heard the expression "C.P. time."  I've lived in racially charged Boston in the 70s and 80s, and lived in Atlanta and North Carolina.  I would have thought I'd run into that expression sometime.  Oh, well.  Maybe for that reason, I'm having a hard time getting worked up over it.  Particularly because it doesn't seem that this came from Hillary.
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She's the one who uttered the punchline. 

 
Sweet J said:
Goodness.  I've never heard the expression "C.P. time."  I've lived in racially charged Boston in the 70s and 80s, and lived in Atlanta and North Carolina.  I would have thought I'd run into that expression sometime.  Oh, well.  Maybe for that reason, I'm having a hard time getting worked up over it.  Particularly because it doesn't seem that this came from Hillary.
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Er, well, I don't think it matters if people have heard it before or not. It's not a joke or epithet decent people make and Hillary was participating in it. I could probably handle someone saying they're not offended by it - though try it out loud some time in ATL or NC and see how that goes - but suggesting poor Hillary was just standing there while de Blasio forced her into this awful racist joke is kind of well sorry silly.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
That's our Hillary, always the first to take the lead, always ready to admit she made a mistake, never throwing anyone under the bus but rather stepping in front of it. Yes, she's a peach.
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That's super prepared warrior realist to you bub.

#cackle

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Er, well, I don't think it matters if people have heard it before or not. It's not a joke or epithet decent people make and Hillary was participating in it. I could probably handle someone saying they're not offended by it - though try it out loud some time in ATL or NC and see how that goes - but suggesting poor Hillary was just standing there while de Blasio forced her into this awful racist joke is kind of well sorry silly.
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Ok, I think the problem is that I misread this part:

At New York's annual Inner Circle dinner on Saturday night, Clinton made a surprise appearance along with Leslie Odom Jr., the African-American actor who plays Aaron Burr in the musical "Hamilton."

She thanked de Blasio for his endorsement but, in a nod to his months of claiming not to have made up his mind, said it took him “long enough.”

“Sorry, Hillary,” the mayor responded. "I was running on C.P. time.”

“That’s not — I don’t like jokes like that, Bill," Odom said.

“Cautious politician time. I’ve been there,” Clinton chimed in.

Outraged critics said that de Blasio, whose wife is African-American, was making a joke about "colored people's time" — the offensive notion that blacks are often late — and ripped Clinton for participating in it.
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I misread it as Clinton being as clueless to that expression as I was. Or, if she did know about that expression, that she was trying to help out De Blasio by "interpreting" something he said as something non-offensive.  

For the life of me, I can't understand this any other way, because to intentionally use an expression like "colored people's time" as part of a punchline of a joke is so HORRIFYINGLY STUPID that I can't wrap my head around the thought that any politician on the presidential trail would think to use it.  As Cartman would say:  IT.  DOES NOT.  MAKE. SENSE. 
 

 
Sinn Fein said:
Anyone care to revisit her "accomplishments" as Secretary of State?

Seems her "best" moment was Libya, which Obama now considers his worst mistake...

Other than enriching the Clinton Foundation, what is her new "best" accomplishment?
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"Making the world like us again."

 
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