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Campaign Chairman: Clinton Knows Email Setup Was A “Mistake”


John Podesta sent hundreds of top Clinton supporters a memo over the weekend following the critical IG report on the former secretary of state’s email setup.

In a memo to top supporters, Hillary Clinton’s top official sought to clarify the campaign’s response to a new report from the State Department inspector general and move past a controversy that has dogged the candidate now for 15 months.

The 600-word letter from John Podesta, Clinton’s chairman and longtime adviser, addresses the IG report’s various findings, but comes back to a single point again and again: that Clinton knows the use of a personal email server was a “mistake.”

“And she has taken responsibility for that mistake,” Podesta wrote to several hundred of the campaign’s most active supporters and financial backers.

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Podesta also takes up one of the report’s key findings: that Clinton’s email practices did differ significantly from past secretaries of state, contrary to the candidate’s frequent argument that, broadly, her email use was not “unprecedented.”

Clinton used a non-government account to conduct State Department business, as did former secretary of state Colin Powell. But no other former secretary of state has maintained government correspondence on a private home-based server.

Although Clinton argued again in a Univision interview on Wednesday that her use of a personal account was “not at all unprecedented,” the memo from Podesta alludes to the distinct aspects of her arrangement. At the time, he writes, “she believed she was following the practices of other secretaries and senior officials.”

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https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/campaign-chair-clinton-knows-email-setup-was-a-mistake?utm_term=.cjR32kPBjy#.jjnvYPXdOe

- So, good, it's an official strategy decision to admit it wasn't authorized. Smart move to finally concede on this though they really have no choice IMO. But they already have killed more than a year making stuff up on this.

 
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Quint said:
dumb question of the day:

is it common for a charity to have a blacklist (of sorts) for guest to their offices?
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Watch lists are one thing - but banning law enforcement and government investigators by name from an office is a whole other thing.

I think if a charity/non-profit is doing this, anywhere from Portland ME to Portland OR, they have problems.

 
Hillary Clinton, Drowning in Email

Hillary Clinton’s campaign for the presidency just got harder with the release of the State Department inspector general’s finding that “significant security risks” were posed by her decision to use a private email server for personal and official business while she was secretary of state. Contrary to Mrs. Clinton’s claims that the department had “allowed” the arrangement, the inspector general also found that she had not sought or received approval to use the server. 

So far, no security breaches have been reported; a separate F.B.I. investigation is looking into that. But above and beyond security questions, the inspector general’s report is certain to fuel doubts about Mrs. Clinton’s trustworthiness, lately measured as a significant problem for her in public polls. ...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/opinion/hillary-clinton-drowning-in-email.html

- NYTimes: there is definitely a political effect.

 
This is the actual plea deal of Guccifer.

Hacking Hillary or Bill does not show up explicitly in the plea or the statement of facts. However Guccifer did get to one of the victims (reported as hacked in a Smoking Gun report on January 6, 2014) by way of Sidney Blumenthal - writer Diane McWhorter, who was a friend of Blumenthal's.

The conduit of the purloined goods was Guccifer, a hacker made famous last year for liberating George W. Bush’s post-presidential self-portraits from his sister’s email. Colin Powell’s Facebook page was also defaced, but plenty of people with no state secrets got caught in his net (apparently he got to me while hacking the email of my friend Sidney Blumenthal, the Clinton family consigliere).

...Partly, of course, the seeming indifference is resignation — the fragility of our privacy is well established. But it also stems from pride, reflecting the extent to which our “devices” have become stand-ins for our egos. Consider the assumption in early media accounts that Guccifer was fooling only with “geezer” servers like EarthLink, Yahoo and AOL. If you were so gauche as to use what one New York magazine writer called “a second-tier e-mail account,” then you basically had it coming.

This is wishful thinking. Although my (inactive) EarthLink account was hacked, so was my primary address, Gmail.

More troubling, “the system” seemed to have worked. Within 24 hours I had received anodyne alerts from Google and EarthLink and — not suspecting anything criminal — reset both my passwords. I would not learn for nine months that within my short, oblivious interval of defenselessness Guccifer had managed to capture a passwords list I had Gmailed to myself at the office.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/opinion/sunday/stop-glorifying-hackers.html

Keep in mind we know that the plea deal and indictment do not list all of Guccifer's victims, described as "numerous", just five in total, plus one "witness":

- March 14, 2013 - Guccifer accesses Blumenthal's email account but then also a "subaccount" belonging to Blumenthal - not sure what that is. Blumenthal is "Victim 5".

- March 15, 2013 - Guccifer emails multiple journalist sites showing the info gotten from Blumenthal.

- March 20, 2013 - Gawker publishes its story on Blumenthal-Hillary emails. (Not mentioned in plea or indictment).

- Apx. May 14, 2013 - Smoking Gun reports an Obama pension agency official has been hacked. - Details below.

- May 28, 2013 - Smoking Gun reports Obam intelligence official has been hacked. - Details below.

- December 4, 2013 - Gawker publishes hacked doodles from Guccifer supposedly belonging to Bill Clinton. (Not mentioned in the plea deal or indictment).

- December 18, 2013 - Guccifer sent emails to Cryptome and Smoking Gun with content he had accessed.

- December 2013 (when exactly is not stated) - Guccifer goes about destroying his hardware.

- January 6, 2014 - Smoking Gun publishes story listing people hacked by Guccifer, this includes McWhorter but excludes Bill Clinton (and Hillary for that matter).

- Nine months back from the SG report (or when they received the data in December) like McWhorter said would sure enough put her hacking in roughly March 2013 when Blumenthal was hacked.

- The 1/6/14 SG report includes the item that Guccifer accessed the accounts of " Obama administration officials".

- The administration officials were Christopher Kojm of the chairman of the National Intelligence Council and Joshua Gotbaum, director of the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC). - The SG goes on to state, " It does not appear, however, that the hacker gained access to any classified intelligence information in Kojm’s possession." - These instances are also not included in the plea or indictment.

- January 22, 2014 - Guccifer is arrested in Romania.

- January 22, 2014 - Cryptome publishes the whole archive online.

 
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timschochet said:
#### Canada. I don't like anything about Canada. Well wait I like Joni Mitchell and Robbie Robertson, but Rush makes it still a net negative. I like Gordon Liightfoot but that Edmund Fitzgerald song goes on too long. Raptors suck, Blue Jays suck, all the hockey teams, Steve Nash ruined the Lakers. 

I cant live in Canada. 
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This is funny. But if someone said something similar about Mexico and Mexican athletes/celebs, you'd probably be the first to call him a bigot.

 
Rich Conway said:
Do you even read this tripe before posting it?  This entire article opinion-based-fantasy boils down to "I trust Hillary because she's a woman and the other candidates aren't."
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All her life she has fought for civil rights, children's rights and women's rights. We know what she stands for because she has been standing for those things forever: as first lady, senator and secretary of state. And she is standing for them now.
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cstu said:
All her life she has fought for civil rights, children's rights and women's rights. We know what she stands for because she has been standing for those things forever: as first lady, senator and secretary of state. And she is standing for them now.
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Yeah, not sure what Rich is reading. 

Civil rights, children's rights, women's rights, these things are very important to me. It's a big part of the reason that I like and support Hillary Clinton. Apparently a lot of people posting here don't care about these issues. 

 
timschochet said:
Yeah, not sure what Rich is reading. 

Civil rights, children's rights, women's rights, these things are very important to me. It's a big part of the reason that I like and support Hillary Clinton. Apparently a lot of people posting here don't care about these issues. 
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No one could care as much as you, Tim.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/campaign-chair-clinton-knows-email-setup-was-a-mistake?utm_term=.cjR32kPBjy#.jjnvYPXdOe

- So, good, it's an official strategy decision to admit it wasn't authorized. Smart move to finally concede on this though they really have no choice IMO. But they already have killed more than a year making stuff up on this.
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“And she has taken responsibility for that mistake,” Podesta wrote to several hundred of the campaign’s most active supporters and financial backers.

My sincere hope that the DOJ makes her take actual responsibility for her "mistake"... 

 
timschochet said:
Yeah, not sure what Rich is reading. 

Civil rights, children's rights, women's rights, these things are very important to me. It's a big part of the reason that I like and support Hillary Clinton. Apparently a lot of people posting here don't care about these issues. 
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We have no idea where she really stands on anything. Same goes for Trump.  I'm convinced Trump is crazy like a fox and just saying the nuttiest stuff in an effort to get the rubes on his side. It obviously worked. I think what either do as president is a mystery. I'd guess Trump would spend the lion share of his time settling personal scores. Romney better get ready for an audit. Maher should be ready for the DEA to come knocking.  I think Clinton would do whatever she could to make big money happy while outwardly pretending to give a crap about people. This nonsense that she's a champion of civil rights or any other kind of rights is laughable.

I asked a friend the other day if she was indicted would she end up running and he answered she would run. He thought I was asking if she'd run as in go on the lam though ( I meant run as in run for the presidency). It was kind of funny. He thinks another Bronco chase is in store only with Bubba at the wheel instead of AC. This is BC, I have Hillary in the car. You know who this ####### it!

 
timschochet said:
Yeah, not sure what Rich is reading. 

Civil rights, children's rights, women's rights, these things are very important to me. It's a big part of the reason that I like and support Hillary Clinton. Apparently a lot of people posting here don't care about these issues. 
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You know better than this.  You're letting your frustration get in the way of strong analysis.

 
Willie Neslon said:
We have no idea where she really stands on anything. 
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You can repeat this all you want but it's simply a falsehood, which was the whole point of the Jong article. Hillary has been VERY consistent about certain issues all throughout her career. And they happen to be issues that I very much care about. 

 
timschochet said:
You can repeat this all you want but it's simply a falsehood, which was the whole point of the Jong article. Hillary has been VERY consistent about certain issues all throughout her career. And they happen to be issues that I very much care about. 
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Ah, but other than lip-service what has she done about them?

 
cobalt_27 said:
Yeah, Tim won't stand by that last statement.  Expect a correction/revision soon.  
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I wrote that some don't care. I didn't write everyone. 

But I think that most would accept as a true statement that conservatives are less interested in these issues that liberals tend to be, in terms of government solutions. 

 
timschochet said:
You can repeat this all you want but it's simply a falsehood, which was the whole point of the Jong article. Hillary has been VERY consistent about certain issues all throughout her career. And they happen to be issues that I very much care about. 
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This is such bull####.  Her accent hasn't even been consistent. She's stood exactly in the place that would be the most politically expedient. Do you honestly believe there was ever a time in her life where she truly felt gays shouldn't be allowed to marry? The only time this woman ever has an ounce of political courage is when polls say it's ok to do so.  You've been blindly spouting crap in this thread for years and even in the face of her breaking federal law you still continue to spout this garbage.  Knock it off already.  It's like you have Tourette's or something. 

 
Willie Neslon said:
This is such bull####.  Her accent hasn't even been consistent. She's stood exactly in the place that would be the most politically expedient. Do you honestly believe there was ever a time in her life where she truly felt gays shouldn't be allowed to marry? The only time this woman ever has an ounce of political courage is when polls say it's ok to do so.  You've been blindly spouting crap in this thread for years and even in the face of her breaking federal law you still continue to spout this garbage.  Knock it off already.  It's like you have Tourette's or something. 
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Well, ONE of us is making up stuff about Hillary Clinton's intentions and courage. It isn't me. 

 
timschochet said:
I wrote that some don't care. I didn't write everyone. 

But I think that most would accept as a true statement that conservatives are less interested in these issues that liberals tend to be, in terms of government solutions. 
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You're probably wrong on a lot of that, too.

But, you realize many democrats and liberals are posting in here and do not support Hillary, not because she supposedly is a champion of civil, children's, and women's rights and they (we) don't support those causes, right?

 
timschochet said:
I wrote that some don't care. I didn't write everyone. 

But I think that most would accept as a true statement that conservatives are less interested in these issues that liberals tend to be, in terms of government solutions. 
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You wrote a lot don't care not just some. Just stop and walk away for the day. It hasn't been a good one for you.

 
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cobalt_27 said:
You're probably wrong on a lot of that, too.

But, you realize many democrats and liberals are posting in here and do not support Hillary, not because she supposedly is a champion of civil, children's, and women's rights and they (we) don't support those causes, right?
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Of course. But incidentally, I'm not at all worried about the "many" Dems and liberals who do not support Hillary, here or elsewhere. In the end, almost all of them will vote for her. 

 
BeaverCleaver said:
You wrote a lot don't care. Just stop and walk away for the day. It hasn't been a good one for you.
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A lot, some, it was authorized, it was authorized, it was allowed,  made a mistake, it depends on what your definition of is is.  All the same thing.

 
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BeaverCleaver said:
You wrote a lot don't care not just some. Just stop and walk away for the day. It hasn't been a good one for you.
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I am having an awesome day, Beaver. Spent it with my family. Now I'm watching basketball (though the game may be over, we'll see.) But this whole weekend has been excellent for me. How about you, sir? 

 
timschochet said:
I am having an awesome day, Beaver. Spent it with my family. Now I'm watching basketball (though the game may be over, we'll see.) But this whole weekend has been excellent for me. How about you, sir? 
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That's great....stick with your family....your posts today don't make you look good.

And my weekend has been great with my loved ones,

 
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timschochet said:
Well, ONE of us is making up stuff about Hillary Clinton's intentions and courage. It isn't me. 
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There's the Tourette's.  The FACT is you have NO CLUE where she stands or what she'll do as president. Truly amazing how you keep pulling stuff out of your ### and try to pass it off as the truth.  When I said you were paid internet shill for the Clinton campaign I was kidding, now I'm not so sure.

 
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timschochet said:
I am having an awesome day, Beaver. Spent it with my family. Now I'm watching basketball (though the game may be over, we'll see.) But this whole weekend has been excellent for me. How about you, sir? 
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Happy for you Tim.  Hope you can lean on them in the coming weeks/months and you get a little crisper with your thinking and clarity here.  Any objective analysis would conclude the last few days have been pretty rough on you here.  

 
Willie Neslon said:
There's the Tourette's.  The FACT is you have NO CLUE where she stands or what she'll do as president. Truly amazing how you keep pulling stuff out of your ### and try to pass it off as the truth.  When I said you were paid internet shill for the Clinton campaign I was kidding, now I'm not so sure.
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Ii thought that about Tim during the Obama campaign 8 years ago.

 
timschochet said:
Of course. But incidentally, I'm not at all worried about the "many" Dems and liberals who do not support Hillary, here or elsewhere. In the end, almost all of them will vote for her. 
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I'm thinking a lot more Dems will go Green or Socialist Party than Reps will go Libertarian.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
I've seen a few articles posted here that refer to "Mrs. Clinton" or "Ms. Clinton." They immediately lose credibility.

She is "Secretary Clinton." (Or if, in context, you think she might be confused with John Kerry, then "Senator Clinton.")
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It's the NY Times Ed Board and that's their standard style usage.

I saw a woman from Charleston go off on the NYT a few months back because they referred to Dylan Roof as "Mr. Roof", just an example.

@Maurile Tremblay

 
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Mrs. Clinton did not have a government email address during her four-year tenure at the State Department.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Here it is applied to Bill Clinton, ex-president:

Mrs. Clinton told voters in Kentucky on Sunday that Mr. Clinton would be “in charge of revitalizing the economy, because, you know, he knows how to do it,” especially “in places like coal country and inner cities.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/bill-hillary-clinton-administration-economy.html

- NYT from last year and this year, again, that's their standard style - Mr./Mrs. It's old fashioned journalism and many newspapers and publications use it.

 
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NorvilleBarnes said:
Because he fought all his life for civil rights, childrens rights and womens rights, which are so important to you right?
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In that case, no. 

At the time, I was for McCain because he was a genuine American hero, because he represented the centrism of the Republican party that I have supported most of my life (really he was the last nominee to do so.) Because I thought he was an honest, genuine, good man and I thought he would be a very good President. 

All that went away when he made his choice of VP. I still don't understand how a man like that could choose a woman like that. Baffles me to this day. Terribly disappointing. 

 
The net effect of this last week has been profound.  The idea of Hillary dropping out or being replaced has entered into the mainstream consciousness.  It will not longer be a real surprise or met with much more than a collective "she had it coming."  Not good for someone seeking the highest office. 

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
I've seen a few articles posted here that refer to "Mrs. Clinton" or "Ms. Clinton." They immediately lose credibility.

She is "Secretary Clinton." (Or if, in context, you think she might be confused with John Kerry, then "Senator Clinton.")
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Not sure why.  She is not currently holding that title, nor Senator.  As others have noted, it s common practice among leading newspapers to refer to women and Ms./Mrs. And men as Mr.  

 
Mr. Ham said:
The net effect of this last week has been profound.  The idea of Hillary dropping out or being replaced has entered into the mainstream consciousness.  It will not longer be a real surprise or met with much more than a collective "she had it coming."  Not good for someone seeking the highest office. 
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More like profound indifference.

I appreciate your wishful thinking, but the Trump Train is going to be the only talking point for the next 6 months.

 
cobalt_27 said:
Not sure if this has been posted / discussed yet, but it's not for those with a weak stomach or an inclination to think this email thing isn't really, really bad news.

This is coming from a legal scholar and one who is a registered (D) and would support Hillary if she could escape indictment.  Pretty clear he doesn't think that's happening.  
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Yeah he's a Democrat, but he's been ripping Hillary for a few months now, and not everybody thinks very much of his analysis: 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/3/16/1371415/-eGhazi-Don-Metcalfe-appears-to-be-an-incompetent-crackpot

We'll see. 

 
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